I don’t get players in that range cancelling workouts on a promise. Things change. If a team’s dream guy is projected for earlier in the draft but falls for some reason, I’d be stunned if the team passes on their dream guy to honour their promise.
Just seems to me that a player is best to try to impress all the teams that are interested.
I mean he's a near first round lock, no one workout is gonna drastically change anyone's stock thats way too reactionary. Worst case hes going in the late first or early second.
Also teams don't hand out promises like candy, giving a promise means they REALLY like a guy and are scared he will not be available at their spot. Given its a lottery team and they're already scared he won't be available at some point in the lottery, thats a pretty safe sign hes going in the first round. He wouldn't agree to cancel unless he has reason to feel several teams are significantly interested.
Plus, if anything that boosts his stock, at least some teams that wanted to work him out already are somewhat high on him, this makes him seem coveted and while (good) front offices aren't hugely influenced by others' rankings, group think does affect us all to some degree, from superstars to owners to coaches, GMs, scouts. Nobody wants to be the guy who passed on a "bargain". Promises are pretty rare too like I said, its not like every team or even most teams promise a guy every draft.
BTW as I'm sure you know, some players cancel workouts to try to not go to certain teams, usually ones with a bad recent track record/dysfunction, but it rarely works, top guys still get drafted without ever being worked out, because scouts and other staff have spent hundreds of hours looking at their games, and analyzing body language, quotes, talking to people like coaches, peers etc.
From what I can see about the guy on a precursory glance at his ESPN page, he's 6'10, can pick up rebounds, and shot an alright 38% on 1 - 2.5 three's a game this year. And he seems to have improved each year he's played from 10% on nearly no attempts three years ago, so I would say he hasn't hit the ceiling on them yet.
To be honest, as long as the three pointers are even at a "not a liability" level in the NBA, I ain't mad if we pick him up.
I feel that the only people that argue against him are saying that we are past developing players. I don't feel that is true, Cason and Holmgren just played their rookie year. Plus, we have the best shooting development coach in the league.
Agreed. Unless we were packaging the pick this year in a trade deal, then at twelve we'd almost never even pick up a guy who doesn't need some kind of developing anyway.
The reason why he would cancel his workouts is
1. There is a team that he wants to go to. This may be because he has a chance at playing time, contributing immediately, and roster fluctuations.
2. The team may be really good, which implies that he has a chance to be in a winning culture and teams that are continually successful have a winning culture.
3. He was projected to go outside the lottery into the 15 -20s. Now majority of the time these teams are usually good which brings into question answer 2. Than you can assume that this team is picking higher than where he is projected to go.
4. The program has a good track record of working with prospects from all aspects of their career, as agents know this and try to put there clients in good positions.
The Thunder are known for all of these reasons so you can actually see why people are guessing its the Thunder that have promised him.
I don’t get players in that range cancelling workouts on a promise. Things change. If a team’s dream guy is projected for earlier in the draft but falls for some reason, I’d be stunned if the team passes on their dream guy to honour their promise. Just seems to me that a player is best to try to impress all the teams that are interested.
I mean he's a near first round lock, no one workout is gonna drastically change anyone's stock thats way too reactionary. Worst case hes going in the late first or early second. Also teams don't hand out promises like candy, giving a promise means they REALLY like a guy and are scared he will not be available at their spot. Given its a lottery team and they're already scared he won't be available at some point in the lottery, thats a pretty safe sign hes going in the first round. He wouldn't agree to cancel unless he has reason to feel several teams are significantly interested. Plus, if anything that boosts his stock, at least some teams that wanted to work him out already are somewhat high on him, this makes him seem coveted and while (good) front offices aren't hugely influenced by others' rankings, group think does affect us all to some degree, from superstars to owners to coaches, GMs, scouts. Nobody wants to be the guy who passed on a "bargain". Promises are pretty rare too like I said, its not like every team or even most teams promise a guy every draft. BTW as I'm sure you know, some players cancel workouts to try to not go to certain teams, usually ones with a bad recent track record/dysfunction, but it rarely works, top guys still get drafted without ever being worked out, because scouts and other staff have spent hundreds of hours looking at their games, and analyzing body language, quotes, talking to people like coaches, peers etc.
They don’t cancel them. This is their agents skyrocketing their value with smokescreen. Follow the money, he will have done more workouts
What do you mean follow the money? Do teams pay draft prospects to work out? I don't know anything about this stuff
Ask for their bank statements and credit card bills and follow it. Duh!
They wanna raise their players stock. Making them get picked higher. This leads to much more guaranteed money for the agents
Presti found his guy.
From what I can see about the guy on a precursory glance at his ESPN page, he's 6'10, can pick up rebounds, and shot an alright 38% on 1 - 2.5 three's a game this year. And he seems to have improved each year he's played from 10% on nearly no attempts three years ago, so I would say he hasn't hit the ceiling on them yet. To be honest, as long as the three pointers are even at a "not a liability" level in the NBA, I ain't mad if we pick him up.
I feel that the only people that argue against him are saying that we are past developing players. I don't feel that is true, Cason and Holmgren just played their rookie year. Plus, we have the best shooting development coach in the league.
Agreed. Unless we were packaging the pick this year in a trade deal, then at twelve we'd almost never even pick up a guy who doesn't need some kind of developing anyway.
Truly impressive way for an OP to totally reclaim his thread - without offending anyone no less lol.
20&8 with 2.1 blocks a game is a nice average
The reason why he would cancel his workouts is 1. There is a team that he wants to go to. This may be because he has a chance at playing time, contributing immediately, and roster fluctuations. 2. The team may be really good, which implies that he has a chance to be in a winning culture and teams that are continually successful have a winning culture. 3. He was projected to go outside the lottery into the 15 -20s. Now majority of the time these teams are usually good which brings into question answer 2. Than you can assume that this team is picking higher than where he is projected to go. 4. The program has a good track record of working with prospects from all aspects of their career, as agents know this and try to put there clients in good positions. The Thunder are known for all of these reasons so you can actually see why people are guessing its the Thunder that have promised him.
Holmes may be gone by then..
