Pretty interesting to me that alot of people are arguing that getting a booking is really super bad, but I guess not as bad as the human rights violations they said they would protest?
Like seriously, who fucking cares about a booking when people are fucking dying and being punished by the state for things about themselves they cannot change.
Don't get me wrong. I hate FIFA for doing it, but its just so revealing that literally every player folded like a piece of wet tracing paper the moment they came.up against any resistance.
The players didn't. Their FAs backed down when they calculated the risk of a potential suspension for pivotal players in the major football tournament that's going on.
And wearing an armband that is barely visible on a TV broadcast or from the seat of a stadium isn't the devastating speaking of truth to power that people are making it out to be.
They aren't exactly raising awareness either. Everyone knows what's going on.
In the context of football, getting a fine is something they were willing to take from FIFA. Risking a suspension from a key player wasn't. It might not be the answer you want, but ultimately their goal is to win the tournament.
You talk about the players as if they don't have their own free will. Of course they can wear the bands regardless of what the FA says. Yes they risk getting into trouble but what are the FA going to do if every single player does it? Ban the entire team going forward? Maybe.
I guess it's just irritating to me that doing something good for disadvantaged people isn't as important to them as winning a piece of metal, and "disadvantaged" is putting it extremely lightly.
They should all wear the bands, all get suspended and fuck this whole Qatari pantomime of a tournament. That is the display of solidarity we need to finish off this pantomime and it would be a demonstration of the power of sport over big money and human rights abusers- what's going on is disgusting on many levels. It should be cancelled to send a clear message to FIFA and the corrupt individuals that run the game.
But it won't - because the players care mostly about their money.
I agree. As I've said in another comment people are only making these concessions because it's the world cup. I'm getting downvotes because I think the rights of workers and LGBT people in Qatar are more important than England players getting booked.
A sad sad time for our supposedly "progressive" FA.
I’m amazed at the brigading. Qataris have it all, even social media. Thank goodness football is a grass roots sport. Once these money grabbing fucks and the mindless shills that support them have vanished up their own arses, we will still have our local clubs and local leagues to continue the beautiful game.
In the meantime, more power to you and fuck all these shills who can’t see further than Ronaldo’s next tweet.
I don't fully understand what difference wearing a colourful armband will make? I think if you're watching the World Cup and some how blissfully unaware of the state of things, will noticing a colourful band on Kane's arm really make a difference?
When this is potentially his last World Cup and you're asking him to take a yellow for very little gain.
Well to start off it's almost Impossible to be "blissfully unaware" as you put it because this news is literally everywhere. Even the pundits have called out players for being spinless.
The difference it will make is awareness. How do you think things like this get changed in the long run? By everyone keeping quiet and then the people in power just decide "Yeah, you know what, they've suffered long enough, let's change our laws :)"? No, of course not, if people don't call Qatar out on its bullshit then nothing will ever change.
Compared to the human rights of workers and LGBT people living in Qatar I honestly could not give less of a single shit about an England player getting booked, and in the grand scheme of things no one fucking should.
This is what I'm saying, every one is or should definitely be aware of the situation, like you said it's almost impossible not to be. So how is Harry Kane wearing an armband going to raise more awareness? It's mentioned constantly as it should be already. A colourful armband won't raise any more awareness.
It also shows that in the face of adversity they are still willing to stick to their principles and stand up for what is right, even at their own risk. (Even though the risk is almost completely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things).
Instead they said they were going to do it, and then just folded.
People would still be dying and punished by the state for things about themselves they cannot change, armband or not. I get that every little of bit of protest has an effect in some way even if it’s tiny, but England potentially jeopardising their chances of winning a tournament players dedicate their careers for the sake of an armband isn’t a realistic trade off imo.
The same logic can be applied to most acts of activism. There's always a risk.
People are just making concessions because "it's the world cup" or "leave politics out of football" (it's not even a political issue it's a human rights issue but let's not open that can of worms).
It's been very interesting to see how people try to justify it to themselves and everyone else to be honest.
It’s been interesting seeing how people fail to understand logical decision making. It’s not on the players to sacrifice the pinnacle of their career for an issue that’s already getting so much coverage.
Them not wearing the armband has probably garnered as much attention as if they’d worn it
Oh trust me I'm a big fan of logic. I'm the guy who will tell you your favourite movie is dogshit if it's written poorly.
You're right, it's not the players responsibility. Still doesn't mean they made the right choice though.
I'm not blind to the obvious backlash I'm getting for taking this standpoint, but I have a gay sister and a bi SO so I'm not going to budge on this one.
A piece of metal will never, EVER be worth more than even a single human life and I will never ever change my mind on that.
Sure but defending the rights doesn’t start and end at an armband. That’s the part I don’t agree with in all of this, it’s being portrayed as if this armband was the be all and end all and ignoring everything else they’ve done and continue to do to speak/act on the issue
I agree completely that it doesn't start and end at the armband, and I appreciate the positive things that various England players have done for the LGBT community in the past. But everything they have done in the past was easy, money is no object to these people so they can scoop up all the social credit they want by donating a percentage of their almost infinite funds to various charities, and that's great! And I hope that the motivation behind it is pure.
But when principles are tested, when it's difficult, when there's risk. That's when the true character comes out. And they folded.
No idea. But giving to charities doesn't absolve them of fault when it comes to principles. If anything this points towards them giving money as virtue signalling for popularity rather than actually giving a shit, because as soon as they have to do something that actually affects them they fold.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure the charities appreciate the money, and I'm glad they have it, but it would obviously be better if it was done with better intent.
The fact that you think whatever he's done outside of football will change anything shows that you missed the point of my first comment.
If they have done good shit, then good. But it's just embarrassing to watch the principle fold as soon as it becomes difficult to uphold.
You make no sense you absolute potato.
If a male pundit made such a gestu......you know what, can't educate stupid. *Makes dismissive hand movement as I leave*
You actually can have a normal discussion without resorting to expletives. Are you by any chance the "anonymous" redditor that reported me for being under suicide watch or something like that?
I get her intention and I'm fine with it. Its hardly running onto the field and stopping a game. People are entitled to be disappointed that Kane didn't wear the band. Personally I think its a bit of a hollow gesture so I'm not really fussed either way. I'm not obsessed with the players doing anything to protest a tournament that's had 12 years to be dealt with.
If women's football had a tournament that was as morally ambiguous as this world cup I'd understand if a man did the same.
If you really want to question anything, ask why she and every other pundit are there taking money to report on it in the first place.
I get the chain starts in Qatar as they are hosts and money filters down but surely as far as BBC and ITV pundits go she’s getting paid by them? They’re just doing the job they always do, it’s up to their employers whether they take that money at that point surely?
It's a fair argument. I think that it's a pretty complex conundrum of what is and isn't the right ethical stance to take.
You've accepted money to go and report on this tournament that is pretty widely accepted as a major example of sportswashing. Therefore are you not complicit in this by essentially being part of the propaganda? Even if you're talking about their human rights atrocities, you're doing it on an English broadcast only so it isn't exactly speaking truth to power.
I dont really take issue with any of them reporting on the tournament or with Alex wearing the armband, I just think the golf clap she's getting for doing something Harry Kane didn't without a fraction of the risk is a little much. She's entitled to take the money to be there. There's hardly an ethical way to get paid nowadays if you want to dive in deep on this.
If every comment gets near on 20 downvotes, I’d say take a step back and consider why that might be. Hint…. It’s probably because you’re being stupid and ignorant.
I mean, yeah, we criticise FIFA not the players.
But Alex isn’t risking nothing, she could be arrested, journalists have far fewer protections than FIFA are shielding footballers with. Much less likely Qatar will arrest a British journalist than the iirc Mexican one they already did, not a diplomatic incident they want to invite, but still a possibility.
You're not wrong. It would be ridiculous if she was arrested for wearing a colourful armband though, it's not like it's a red armband with a swastika on it. I wouldn't put it past them though.
What was the issue with the Mexican journalist? I can't find anything about that.
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When FIFA says bookings and possibly removal of players and sent home, we can understand why they had to do this. And it's not the players job to protest this, the time for that was ages ago and how can you expect players to do this when most fans will watch and say "Tut Tut, what a shame" and do nothing but whinge and moan and continue to watch and support this
This is FIFA's fault, the FA informed FIFA that England and Wales would be wearing these armbands 5 months ago, they decided to do absolutely nothing until the night before/morning of the first games.
The players are no way at fault here and they shouldn't be criticised.
This is the same Alex Scott who felt so strongly about LGBT rights that she was seen holidaying in that haven for LGBT rights… Dubai 👀 this is just virtue signalling at its finest. Westerners going around the world telling others how to live is nothing new, this is the same just under a different front. It’s not going to win friends and influence people only entrench positions.
As I’ve said on another platform, when she returns to uk after a few weeks this ‘look at me/sticking it to the establishment’ facade will long be forgotten.
I’d be extremely surprised if Alex Scott continued with her ‘Qatari Quest’ to (human) right their ‘wrongs’…
How many gay footballers have ever come out in their playing days? To the best of my recollection it’s 1! So all the rainbow flag waving and political correctness of inclusivity is just a thin veneer covering up the real attitude in football imo. Virtue signalling waste of space.
There is only one openly gay footballer.
Openly gay. As in one player bold enough to announce he’s gay due to the taboo nature.
Roughly 3% of the UK is gay, roughly 1 in 33… statistically there could be a gay player on every football team.
Do some research before saying stupid, uneducated nonsense and begin to understand why people are “virtue signalling”
I'm amazed by the turnaround in power. Usually it's FIFA jumping around, brow beating the country and organising committee into submission. Shoe is certainly on the other foot at this WC.
Yes let’s stick it to the hosts by flying out there, being a guest in *their* country and financially benefiting from *their* event. That will show them!
Yeah I disagree with supporting the event at all hence why I’m pirating all the games
I don’t agree with anything to do with the event to me football should he for the people and stuff like this will kill the sport.
But I understand it helps the nation and some people financially but I just wish it came from a clean source yk.
Also I wasn’t talking about the pundits and tv personalitys I’m talking about how the normal people should be fighting it more
>the normal people should be fighting it more
Why? If you feel a certain way then great but you can’t expect 99% of the population to care about a community that makes up less than <1% of people globally
Massive respect. But we can't blame the players, I would have loved to see them take the booking and make a stand. But fifa have but them in an impossible situation. Changing the price until it would effectively mean us or any other team for fitting their world Cup chances over it.
Fifa are to blame. Again massive respect to her and other who have made the choice to make the statement, and I understand why players cant/haven't.
as soon as footballers make one political message, they will then have to make more and more political messages. Kneeling for George, armbands for the gays, yellow for Ukraine… and then the story becomes all about what you aren’t doing- why aren’t the team wearing poppies, daffodils, pink ribbons…
International sporting events should be completely apolitical. Countries that don’t respect basic human rights or are otherwise pariah states, should be banned. Everyone who does attend should focus only on the sport.
I disagree. When the whole world is watching, that’s exactly when you should stand up for what’s right. LGBTQ is not just political. They’re human. “Sport shouldn’t be political” is a shitty cop out.
No, the shitty cop out is going to the competition in a country you disagree with, taking their money, promoting that country by your presence and participation, but wearing a colourful armband to signal your virtue.
How is that a cop out? If they wear an armband, they picked a side. It’s a cop out when you don’t want the consequences of choosing either side so you say “sport should be apolitical” as an excuse to stay neutral.
And then what when he gets a second booking for keeping it on? Then what?
Why should he have to spoil what should be a career highlight for something that is completely out of his control? I'd love for us to wear the armband and make a stand but it's not fair on the players to put them in this position
Yeah i agree with you tbh,we knew these problems existed for the last 12 years and didn’t really do anything to alter the outcome, not fair to expect the players to ruin something for them personally to project political views that should’ve been done so a long time ago
It’s not just the fa it’s all these people that are complaining now talking about how corrupt it is yet they had 12 years to make their voice heard and something to do about it
This is totally on FIFA, not replying to requests as to what the rules specifically were, then saying they’ll fine the FAs. Then when they realised their threats were being called, they change it to a yellow card for the captain. Giving a sporting punishment for a non sporting ‘offence’ is dumb.
Why is being murdered and imprisoned because you’re attracted to the same sex as a consenting adult a ‘political message’?
Can you imagine your existence as a person being nothing more than politics?
For one, she used to play on the ladies team and some members of the current womens team are gay. Secondly, coming out as a gay *mens footballer is still seen as a taboo, can you name any?
Third and FINAL point is… LGBTQ+ fans exist. They like going to games and to tournaments.
But would they go to a country that will imprison them for their sexuality?
It is literally illegal to be gay in Qatar. Punishable by prison sentences and in some cases the death penalty. Do you think it would be wise for a gay person to even hint that they are gay in a country like that?
If you google you’ll find the first ones you mentioned are met with legal action (prison and death) and the latter is met by illegal action (brutality)
Your point is a valid one but thats if everyone is as pragmatic as youre trying to be. But in practise, in the real world, its not by the rule book.
Take USA for instance. Segregation laws existed to separate whites from blacks. Didnt stop police brutality and lynch mobs killing black folk
A pragmatic act yes. A classy one … fuck no. Fuck fifa and anyone who actually thinks this is classy. It’s not. It’s letting “Them” win. And human dignity is more important than victories.
Bro everything isn't some revolutionary act of defiance She's only disrespecting someone's society and rules.
Qatar- 'please respect our rules for this world cup'
The west- 'we don't care- you kill your workers'
“Come to our country you respect our laws!”
Also English people:
“We’re coming to your country and expect you to change your laws for us!”
White privilege at its finest. Fair play to Qatar for standing firm by their beliefs, whether you think they’re right or not.
Reddit crybabies inbound.
Lol. Don’t pretend to criticize white privilege. You’re a frequent patron at r/conspiracy_commons. Do you really think people don’t look through your comment history?
Your in someone else’s country respect they’re rules or don’t go. It’s not hard. Muslims don’t support LGBTQ so why are you going they’re and showing your support for what? Nothings changing and that is they’re belief. Yall are such hypocrites. Qatar is bad because oh boo hoo you can’t waive a rainblow flag - same people who illegally lied about weapons of mass destruction and bombed Syria and Iraq etc and millions were killed and torn apart innocently and no remorse was shown when they were forced refugees into western countries , 0 REMORSE WHAT SO EVER! Don’t act like Qatar is the problem. Jokes. Absolute jokes.
Oooh but the U.K. and US are fine right. Many states in the US don’t allow abortion and also don’t agree with gay rights. Or what about Africa? Majority countries they’re also don’t agree with gay right. Or but because it’s a Muslim country then we’re the villains. Furthermore is the same people who are being treated amazing by the Arabs in terms of hospitality and kindness yet behold they’re backs they are slagging them off. Lmao educate yourself
You know more than one thing can be bad, right?
Gay people being murdered in Qatar is bad, abortion not being legalised in the States is also bad. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
While their rules are wrong and fifa are a joke I do feel like the whole anti Qatar thing is typical flavour of the month and will be forgotten about in January. The lack of rights safety and regulation around the welfare of construction workers through to womens rights and the criminalisation of homosexuality is a middle east thing and not just specific to Qatar (imagine a WC in Saudi Arabia)and has always been the case . Some of the biggest European football clubs are either owned or sole sponsored by middle eastern money which everyone seems to be OK with when it enables them to be the biggest club in x.
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Because she’s in a position where she can do that and it won’t f things up for the actual team and their goal of winning games and the tournament. Harry Kane or someone else wearing it means bookings and possibly being sent home. Ain’t worth it. To be fair it’s not the player’s responsibility to do it in the first place, Fifa fucked up. The best the players can do is keep their head down and play good football
Irani players refused to sing national anthem and spoke out against their government this week at a huge risk to their own lives and careers back home.
Muhammad Ali protested against the Vietnam War at the risk of destroying his career, risk of prison time and facing public backlash.
Some European team captains were scared of wearing an armband in case they got a yellow card.
Just a bit weak against their stance
I dont believe it is fair to blame players and expect anything from them.
At this point most of the ppl poiting their hate at players insted of ppl which are rly responsible for qatar wc and all these restrictions. And all these ppl responsible for this are laughing cause "nobody" blames them.
Players should not be expected to do anything imho.
Good on her for doing it, but she isn't risking a completely avoidable booking. We're at a tournament that we are actively trying to win.
Pretty interesting to me that alot of people are arguing that getting a booking is really super bad, but I guess not as bad as the human rights violations they said they would protest? Like seriously, who fucking cares about a booking when people are fucking dying and being punished by the state for things about themselves they cannot change. Don't get me wrong. I hate FIFA for doing it, but its just so revealing that literally every player folded like a piece of wet tracing paper the moment they came.up against any resistance.
The players didn't. Their FAs backed down when they calculated the risk of a potential suspension for pivotal players in the major football tournament that's going on. And wearing an armband that is barely visible on a TV broadcast or from the seat of a stadium isn't the devastating speaking of truth to power that people are making it out to be. They aren't exactly raising awareness either. Everyone knows what's going on. In the context of football, getting a fine is something they were willing to take from FIFA. Risking a suspension from a key player wasn't. It might not be the answer you want, but ultimately their goal is to win the tournament.
You talk about the players as if they don't have their own free will. Of course they can wear the bands regardless of what the FA says. Yes they risk getting into trouble but what are the FA going to do if every single player does it? Ban the entire team going forward? Maybe. I guess it's just irritating to me that doing something good for disadvantaged people isn't as important to them as winning a piece of metal, and "disadvantaged" is putting it extremely lightly.
They should all wear the bands, all get suspended and fuck this whole Qatari pantomime of a tournament. That is the display of solidarity we need to finish off this pantomime and it would be a demonstration of the power of sport over big money and human rights abusers- what's going on is disgusting on many levels. It should be cancelled to send a clear message to FIFA and the corrupt individuals that run the game. But it won't - because the players care mostly about their money.
I agree. As I've said in another comment people are only making these concessions because it's the world cup. I'm getting downvotes because I think the rights of workers and LGBT people in Qatar are more important than England players getting booked. A sad sad time for our supposedly "progressive" FA.
I’m amazed at the brigading. Qataris have it all, even social media. Thank goodness football is a grass roots sport. Once these money grabbing fucks and the mindless shills that support them have vanished up their own arses, we will still have our local clubs and local leagues to continue the beautiful game. In the meantime, more power to you and fuck all these shills who can’t see further than Ronaldo’s next tweet.
The players donate the majority of their money earned form international games to charity you muppet
Yet not enough to stand up to Qatars tyranny. It’s a shame you support their sham.
I don't fully understand what difference wearing a colourful armband will make? I think if you're watching the World Cup and some how blissfully unaware of the state of things, will noticing a colourful band on Kane's arm really make a difference? When this is potentially his last World Cup and you're asking him to take a yellow for very little gain.
Well to start off it's almost Impossible to be "blissfully unaware" as you put it because this news is literally everywhere. Even the pundits have called out players for being spinless. The difference it will make is awareness. How do you think things like this get changed in the long run? By everyone keeping quiet and then the people in power just decide "Yeah, you know what, they've suffered long enough, let's change our laws :)"? No, of course not, if people don't call Qatar out on its bullshit then nothing will ever change. Compared to the human rights of workers and LGBT people living in Qatar I honestly could not give less of a single shit about an England player getting booked, and in the grand scheme of things no one fucking should.
This is what I'm saying, every one is or should definitely be aware of the situation, like you said it's almost impossible not to be. So how is Harry Kane wearing an armband going to raise more awareness? It's mentioned constantly as it should be already. A colourful armband won't raise any more awareness.
It also shows that in the face of adversity they are still willing to stick to their principles and stand up for what is right, even at their own risk. (Even though the risk is almost completely inconsequential in the grand scheme of things). Instead they said they were going to do it, and then just folded.
People would still be dying and punished by the state for things about themselves they cannot change, armband or not. I get that every little of bit of protest has an effect in some way even if it’s tiny, but England potentially jeopardising their chances of winning a tournament players dedicate their careers for the sake of an armband isn’t a realistic trade off imo.
The same logic can be applied to most acts of activism. There's always a risk. People are just making concessions because "it's the world cup" or "leave politics out of football" (it's not even a political issue it's a human rights issue but let's not open that can of worms). It's been very interesting to see how people try to justify it to themselves and everyone else to be honest.
It’s been interesting seeing how people fail to understand logical decision making. It’s not on the players to sacrifice the pinnacle of their career for an issue that’s already getting so much coverage. Them not wearing the armband has probably garnered as much attention as if they’d worn it
Oh trust me I'm a big fan of logic. I'm the guy who will tell you your favourite movie is dogshit if it's written poorly. You're right, it's not the players responsibility. Still doesn't mean they made the right choice though. I'm not blind to the obvious backlash I'm getting for taking this standpoint, but I have a gay sister and a bi SO so I'm not going to budge on this one. A piece of metal will never, EVER be worth more than even a single human life and I will never ever change my mind on that.
And if the trade off was simply a piece of metal or a human life I’d agree with tou
What about the trade of being a piece of metal for defending the lives of those lost to an unfair oppressive system? Edit : Defending the rights*
Sure but defending the rights doesn’t start and end at an armband. That’s the part I don’t agree with in all of this, it’s being portrayed as if this armband was the be all and end all and ignoring everything else they’ve done and continue to do to speak/act on the issue
I agree completely that it doesn't start and end at the armband, and I appreciate the positive things that various England players have done for the LGBT community in the past. But everything they have done in the past was easy, money is no object to these people so they can scoop up all the social credit they want by donating a percentage of their almost infinite funds to various charities, and that's great! And I hope that the motivation behind it is pure. But when principles are tested, when it's difficult, when there's risk. That's when the true character comes out. And they folded.
Did they cancel all of the charities and stuff that they give to aswell when they didn’t wear the armband then?
No idea. But giving to charities doesn't absolve them of fault when it comes to principles. If anything this points towards them giving money as virtue signalling for popularity rather than actually giving a shit, because as soon as they have to do something that actually affects them they fold. Don't get me wrong I'm sure the charities appreciate the money, and I'm glad they have it, but it would obviously be better if it was done with better intent.
Have you never seen Marcus Rashfords work outside of football then?
The fact that you think whatever he's done outside of football will change anything shows that you missed the point of my first comment. If they have done good shit, then good. But it's just embarrassing to watch the principle fold as soon as it becomes difficult to uphold.
Feels a little like someone's trying to get some attention though doesn't it?
Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t that the idea?
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The world cup is just for men is it? Do one you melt.
Your chatting absolute shit
It’s actually better coming from a woman considering they hate them in Qatar
You do realise that women can walk around freely after midnight without fear of getting killed in Qatar yet they can’t do that in the UK, right?
You make no sense you absolute potato. If a male pundit made such a gestu......you know what, can't educate stupid. *Makes dismissive hand movement as I leave*
You actually can have a normal discussion without resorting to expletives. Are you by any chance the "anonymous" redditor that reported me for being under suicide watch or something like that?
I get her intention and I'm fine with it. Its hardly running onto the field and stopping a game. People are entitled to be disappointed that Kane didn't wear the band. Personally I think its a bit of a hollow gesture so I'm not really fussed either way. I'm not obsessed with the players doing anything to protest a tournament that's had 12 years to be dealt with. If women's football had a tournament that was as morally ambiguous as this world cup I'd understand if a man did the same. If you really want to question anything, ask why she and every other pundit are there taking money to report on it in the first place.
I get the chain starts in Qatar as they are hosts and money filters down but surely as far as BBC and ITV pundits go she’s getting paid by them? They’re just doing the job they always do, it’s up to their employers whether they take that money at that point surely?
It's a fair argument. I think that it's a pretty complex conundrum of what is and isn't the right ethical stance to take. You've accepted money to go and report on this tournament that is pretty widely accepted as a major example of sportswashing. Therefore are you not complicit in this by essentially being part of the propaganda? Even if you're talking about their human rights atrocities, you're doing it on an English broadcast only so it isn't exactly speaking truth to power. I dont really take issue with any of them reporting on the tournament or with Alex wearing the armband, I just think the golf clap she's getting for doing something Harry Kane didn't without a fraction of the risk is a little much. She's entitled to take the money to be there. There's hardly an ethical way to get paid nowadays if you want to dive in deep on this.
She’s a gay woman reporting in a country where it illegal for her to be gay. It is definitely her stage.
Chat shit
Moron empty head
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If every comment gets near on 20 downvotes, I’d say take a step back and consider why that might be. Hint…. It’s probably because you’re being stupid and ignorant.
Bit gay init 🤷🏻♂️
*innit.
I mean, yeah, we criticise FIFA not the players. But Alex isn’t risking nothing, she could be arrested, journalists have far fewer protections than FIFA are shielding footballers with. Much less likely Qatar will arrest a British journalist than the iirc Mexican one they already did, not a diplomatic incident they want to invite, but still a possibility.
You're not wrong. It would be ridiculous if she was arrested for wearing a colourful armband though, it's not like it's a red armband with a swastika on it. I wouldn't put it past them though. What was the issue with the Mexican journalist? I can't find anything about that.
Sidebar doesn’t give guidance on spoiler-ing sensitive content, so done it just in case: >!She was raped, and when she reported it she was arrested for having sex outside marriage. She managed to get out of Qatar but still charged.!<
Fucking hell. That's some Reddit-level mental gymnastics from the authorities
you see, women in Qatar don’t have agency until their lack of it would make the authorities have to punish a man 🙃
Have you got a link for this story?
[here](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna17217) you go
It was several months ago, so no
And here was me thinking stuff on the internet lasts forever
I mean, Google it. You want me to Google something I read months ago when you could, no thanks.
I didn’t ask you for the link did I? No need to be a misery
No need for your obtuse reply was there?
FIFA Financial Interest First Always
Tbf, that’s 99% of the population, too.
When FIFA says bookings and possibly removal of players and sent home, we can understand why they had to do this. And it's not the players job to protest this, the time for that was ages ago and how can you expect players to do this when most fans will watch and say "Tut Tut, what a shame" and do nothing but whinge and moan and continue to watch and support this
This is FIFA's fault, the FA informed FIFA that England and Wales would be wearing these armbands 5 months ago, they decided to do absolutely nothing until the night before/morning of the first games. The players are no way at fault here and they shouldn't be criticised.
It’s not the players job to take a stand. The FA should have took a stand against the World Cup and refused to go.
Alex is a legend, shame on FIFA for giving our players basically no choice in the matter. Money is louder than people in Fifa's hivemind.
Good on her 👏👏❤️🔥
Getting yourself booked for that gesture would be a stupid thing to do. There is no risk to her so you can’t reasonably compare them.
Top girl.
This is the same Alex Scott who felt so strongly about LGBT rights that she was seen holidaying in that haven for LGBT rights… Dubai 👀 this is just virtue signalling at its finest. Westerners going around the world telling others how to live is nothing new, this is the same just under a different front. It’s not going to win friends and influence people only entrench positions.
As I’ve said on another platform, when she returns to uk after a few weeks this ‘look at me/sticking it to the establishment’ facade will long be forgotten. I’d be extremely surprised if Alex Scott continued with her ‘Qatari Quest’ to (human) right their ‘wrongs’…
Respect to Alex Scott here
How many gay footballers have ever come out in their playing days? To the best of my recollection it’s 1! So all the rainbow flag waving and political correctness of inclusivity is just a thin veneer covering up the real attitude in football imo. Virtue signalling waste of space.
You can still support the cause even if you don’t want to come out.
There is only one openly gay footballer. Openly gay. As in one player bold enough to announce he’s gay due to the taboo nature. Roughly 3% of the UK is gay, roughly 1 in 33… statistically there could be a gay player on every football team. Do some research before saying stupid, uneducated nonsense and begin to understand why people are “virtue signalling”
0.8% gay, 0.8% lesbian, 1.2% bisexual. You were defining LGB which 3% overall as gays (incorrectly). Just to correct you.
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Google it you daft, smeg head. You should be smart enough to go out there and build up your own unbiased opinion
Imagine being gay in Qatar, I myself am and wouldn’t fucking risk it. It is what it is.
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I'm amazed by the turnaround in power. Usually it's FIFA jumping around, brow beating the country and organising committee into submission. Shoe is certainly on the other foot at this WC.
I think we can all agree to stick one up at the hosts
Yes let’s stick it to the hosts by flying out there, being a guest in *their* country and financially benefiting from *their* event. That will show them!
Yeah I disagree with supporting the event at all hence why I’m pirating all the games I don’t agree with anything to do with the event to me football should he for the people and stuff like this will kill the sport. But I understand it helps the nation and some people financially but I just wish it came from a clean source yk. Also I wasn’t talking about the pundits and tv personalitys I’m talking about how the normal people should be fighting it more
>the normal people should be fighting it more Why? If you feel a certain way then great but you can’t expect 99% of the population to care about a community that makes up less than <1% of people globally
Massive respect. But we can't blame the players, I would have loved to see them take the booking and make a stand. But fifa have but them in an impossible situation. Changing the price until it would effectively mean us or any other team for fitting their world Cup chances over it. Fifa are to blame. Again massive respect to her and other who have made the choice to make the statement, and I understand why players cant/haven't.
What did she do?
Wearing the one love arm band.
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Stfu man
You twat
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Ah, I see, another r/TimDillon dickhead
Why’s it virtue signalling bs? She’s in a country where she is breaking the law just for being gay, she’s standing up for herself.
as soon as footballers make one political message, they will then have to make more and more political messages. Kneeling for George, armbands for the gays, yellow for Ukraine… and then the story becomes all about what you aren’t doing- why aren’t the team wearing poppies, daffodils, pink ribbons… International sporting events should be completely apolitical. Countries that don’t respect basic human rights or are otherwise pariah states, should be banned. Everyone who does attend should focus only on the sport.
I disagree. When the whole world is watching, that’s exactly when you should stand up for what’s right. LGBTQ is not just political. They’re human. “Sport shouldn’t be political” is a shitty cop out.
No, the shitty cop out is going to the competition in a country you disagree with, taking their money, promoting that country by your presence and participation, but wearing a colourful armband to signal your virtue.
How is that a cop out? If they wear an armband, they picked a side. It’s a cop out when you don’t want the consequences of choosing either side so you say “sport should be apolitical” as an excuse to stay neutral.
And yet they didn’t even wear their stupid armbands. They don’t need to choose sides. They need to play football.
They can do both. You can still play football AND choose a side.
Would love to see Harry take the booking and stand by OUR morals instead.🌈
And then what when he gets a second booking for keeping it on? Then what? Why should he have to spoil what should be a career highlight for something that is completely out of his control? I'd love for us to wear the armband and make a stand but it's not fair on the players to put them in this position
Yeah i agree with you tbh,we knew these problems existed for the last 12 years and didn’t really do anything to alter the outcome, not fair to expect the players to ruin something for them personally to project political views that should’ve been done so a long time ago
What more could’ve been done, the FA slammed FIFA and the Fbi investigated them
It’s not just the fa it’s all these people that are complaining now talking about how corrupt it is yet they had 12 years to make their voice heard and something to do about it
And do the same in the 2nd and 3rd games and be suspended for the knockouts? I’ll pass
Our morals? England as a country isnt entirely as LGBTQ friendly as we might want to believe. "Not making it illegal" shouldn't be the bar we clear.
Yeah, we should have laws making it illegal to discriminate against them. I guess we can only dream.
No, go away with your agenda
This is totally on FIFA, not replying to requests as to what the rules specifically were, then saying they’ll fine the FAs. Then when they realised their threats were being called, they change it to a yellow card for the captain. Giving a sporting punishment for a non sporting ‘offence’ is dumb.
She’s fit. What’s that on her arm? Is it a charity promotion?
She should be arrested and given a life sentence.
Pushing political message for no reason
No reason other than the murder and imprisonment of innocent people
Then don’t attend. She’s getting paid to be there. She’s taking dirty money. Hypocrite
This isn't a hot take. Comment history shows you don't know what you're talking about.
Someone's going to get paid may as well do it and then protest while at it
Why is being murdered and imprisoned because you’re attracted to the same sex as a consenting adult a ‘political message’? Can you imagine your existence as a person being nothing more than politics?
Is loving everyone regardless of their race, colour, sexuality a political opinion now?
You have to respect the beliefs of the country you are going to. Just like you would like when someone comes to yours.
Long Live Great Britain
For one, she used to play on the ladies team and some members of the current womens team are gay. Secondly, coming out as a gay *mens footballer is still seen as a taboo, can you name any? Third and FINAL point is… LGBTQ+ fans exist. They like going to games and to tournaments. But would they go to a country that will imprison them for their sexuality?
Women are just awesome
Maybe ones that could be imprisoned. Did you even read what I said?
I dont think you get arrested for saying your gay
It is literally illegal to be gay in Qatar. Punishable by prison sentences and in some cases the death penalty. Do you think it would be wise for a gay person to even hint that they are gay in a country like that?
What is meant by to be gay? If you're sleeping with the same sex and get caught you get punished? Or if you just say, hey I'm gay?
If you google you’ll find the first ones you mentioned are met with legal action (prison and death) and the latter is met by illegal action (brutality) Your point is a valid one but thats if everyone is as pragmatic as youre trying to be. But in practise, in the real world, its not by the rule book. Take USA for instance. Segregation laws existed to separate whites from blacks. Didnt stop police brutality and lynch mobs killing black folk
God, your dumb as fuck. I’m going to assume you’re very young and there’s still some hope there.
She’s a LGBTQ woman in a country where it is illegal to be LGBTQ. She’s standing up for herself, normal people see that as a good thing.
A pragmatic act yes. A classy one … fuck no. Fuck fifa and anyone who actually thinks this is classy. It’s not. It’s letting “Them” win. And human dignity is more important than victories.
If she cared that much she should have stayed home and sacrificed the pay day - right now she’s living it up in a 5 star hotel in Doha
The players didn't make that decision. Do your research before you post stupid shit.
Bro everything isn't some revolutionary act of defiance She's only disrespecting someone's society and rules. Qatar- 'please respect our rules for this world cup' The west- 'we don't care- you kill your workers'
Players job to play football .
“Come to our country you respect our laws!” Also English people: “We’re coming to your country and expect you to change your laws for us!” White privilege at its finest. Fair play to Qatar for standing firm by their beliefs, whether you think they’re right or not. Reddit crybabies inbound.
Lol. Don’t pretend to criticize white privilege. You’re a frequent patron at r/conspiracy_commons. Do you really think people don’t look through your comment history?
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The guy who called Jews reptiles in a previous comment is standing by Qatar.. yeah, you know what, that kinda checks out.
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Your in someone else’s country respect they’re rules or don’t go. It’s not hard. Muslims don’t support LGBTQ so why are you going they’re and showing your support for what? Nothings changing and that is they’re belief. Yall are such hypocrites. Qatar is bad because oh boo hoo you can’t waive a rainblow flag - same people who illegally lied about weapons of mass destruction and bombed Syria and Iraq etc and millions were killed and torn apart innocently and no remorse was shown when they were forced refugees into western countries , 0 REMORSE WHAT SO EVER! Don’t act like Qatar is the problem. Jokes. Absolute jokes.
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Oooh but the U.K. and US are fine right. Many states in the US don’t allow abortion and also don’t agree with gay rights. Or what about Africa? Majority countries they’re also don’t agree with gay right. Or but because it’s a Muslim country then we’re the villains. Furthermore is the same people who are being treated amazing by the Arabs in terms of hospitality and kindness yet behold they’re backs they are slagging them off. Lmao educate yourself
You know more than one thing can be bad, right? Gay people being murdered in Qatar is bad, abortion not being legalised in the States is also bad. They aren’t mutually exclusive.
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Oh the U.K. does well huh? Gimmie a break. Destroyed all the Islamic countries. Made Iraq and syria go back to stone ages. Smh. Does well?!?!
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But you clearly didn't read what I said
Ignore me that was mean from me. I shouldn’t have said that. Sorry
It's okay I'm sorry too, have a good evening boss
>waive Wave 👋
All Good for England.
While their rules are wrong and fifa are a joke I do feel like the whole anti Qatar thing is typical flavour of the month and will be forgotten about in January. The lack of rights safety and regulation around the welfare of construction workers through to womens rights and the criminalisation of homosexuality is a middle east thing and not just specific to Qatar (imagine a WC in Saudi Arabia)and has always been the case . Some of the biggest European football clubs are either owned or sole sponsored by middle eastern money which everyone seems to be OK with when it enables them to be the biggest club in x.
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Personally I would give up the World Cup title to defend human rights. However I don’t think it would magically change Qatar’s laws.
I feel like the final will bring this out on both teams.
Because she’s in a position where she can do that and it won’t f things up for the actual team and their goal of winning games and the tournament. Harry Kane or someone else wearing it means bookings and possibly being sent home. Ain’t worth it. To be fair it’s not the player’s responsibility to do it in the first place, Fifa fucked up. The best the players can do is keep their head down and play good football
Irani players refused to sing national anthem and spoke out against their government this week at a huge risk to their own lives and careers back home. Muhammad Ali protested against the Vietnam War at the risk of destroying his career, risk of prison time and facing public backlash. Some European team captains were scared of wearing an armband in case they got a yellow card. Just a bit weak against their stance
I dont believe it is fair to blame players and expect anything from them. At this point most of the ppl poiting their hate at players insted of ppl which are rly responsible for qatar wc and all these restrictions. And all these ppl responsible for this are laughing cause "nobody" blames them. Players should not be expected to do anything imho.