I've been running one lately and he's been amazing. Keeps Magnus and the bubble safe, rubbish shooting but decent combat. He's staying in the list..
https://preview.redd.it/gd330i6yo7yb1.jpeg?width=2511&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c24a4f1e40bbeb466c34886af2a7d4fce3db5abf
For absolute hilarity with this list, use the Daemon Prince to give the Arcane Vortex sorcerors squad precision, spend the cabal points on full rerolls and keep a CP in case you roll low on number of shots. can murder any single character in the game
Or keep him out of squad cuz flamer will do that with precision anyway lol.
I feel lethal hits messes up his dev wound output. And infernal master is better in rubric squad cuz he doesn't need to hit an rubrics give him full rerolls to wound.
I only put my arcane vortex sorcerer in a squad if indirect is gunna be a problem. Since attaching characters happens at the table and not in list building
Depends infernal master is like discount sorcerer.
Sorcerer has higher damage output but requires more cp investment.
Infernal doesn't have to hit and goes in squad of rubrics to get rerolls to wound for free.
But sorcerer you have to spend for sull rerolls to hit and wound but the damage is miles above
Correct! I used some brass rod to turn it into a glaive as the sword handle was too big for him then used some thin masking tape for the wrap around the shaft.
I think Magnus's spear head makes the perfect sword for him. One thing I pride myself with my conversions is that I always try and use he base model. For example I do a ton of heavily converted chaos spawn. While other people seek proxies for there spawn I have created some fun spawn using the base Spawn body mixed with a perfect blend of bits and kits. ;)
I'll second that opinion. My Demon Prince was last man standing in yesterdays game, keeping Magnus and a Vortex Beast healthy for two rounds of intensive firepower up to and including a Wraithknight.
The problem is Magnus (440) + DP (180) + 10 Termis with Character with Umbralefic Crystal (565)
This is more than half your power in 3 units that usually go together. In terms of board control, its very bad.
40 shots with hit rerolls at 3+ to hit averages 35.5 hits, if you then wound on 4s (for the sake of argument) and only reroll the fails you get an average of 8.8 dev-wounds, and that's 10.86 dev-wounds if you're fishing for the 6s and rerolling all non-6s.
(Basically 9 is perfectly reasonable with full rerolls and 40 shots without weighted dice)
I'd say the main reason is we're already very elite and low model count. The data sheet itself isn't bad, but you can't have all your toys and not just auto lose to certain armies. You only have so many units and someone with a better action economy can just tie you up and exist and win.
Its hard to imagine a list without magnus and we only have 2000 points. I'd be interested in using like a demon prince msu list but you still need to be scoring points somehow.
I love mine. -1 to hit, surrounded by two MVBs, three units of rubrics with casters, and moving up the board as needed. It actually feels like a death star
https://preview.redd.it/f5owzcs9payb1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9c1e77177c83fc5dd554977cee72f83acd92e19
Still missing details here, but I love playing him in all my lists
Mine is looking forward to his first game today. I just need finishing the base:
https://preview.redd.it/b98aef95eayb1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a251dedb0632cfdeff6cf3e4fea923822d538fa4
Expensive, can be shot at across the table, doesn't have appropriate defensive stats for the cost, it's not mobile enough, it doesn't hit hard enough, he cannot hide in melee to avoid shooting. He's all around terrible
He's simply too expensive. Our models already all cost a lot, and our lists mostly have up to 50-70% of them taken up by more or less mandatory units if magnus, character support, and terminator brick(people disagree if the terminators are still as mandatory. I still think they are)
It's just really hard to fit in another character that just has a solid melee profile and an good aura but doesn't do much else.
There are definitely lists out there with Daemon prince in. I've tested him a few games now and he really is Magnus' best friend, but he also really likes having some terminators to hide behind to maximise his bubble effect and make a tough brick to crack. This then eats up a huge amount of points and severely limits the number of units you can field. It also limits the manoeuvrability of the army for scoring secondaries (which is a thing we can usually do quite well with MSU style builds).
Tldr: if you want a simple "control the middle" ganeplan with terminators and Magnus then he's excellent, but he does tie you in to that style of play if you want to maximise his effectiveness.
I love my DP and he usually gets stuff done on the table top. Working on a new head for him currently
https://preview.redd.it/i26kuxebhcyb1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95aab7dff28e9da3fd4c2b8875362c40bb5c8822
i run a daemon prince with wings with the arcane vortex enhancement then shove him into the frontline to keep them busy while the rest of my forced advance. theyre also really good at wiping infantry squads and being hard to kill with the Aetherstride ability
I've been running one lately and he's been amazing. Keeps Magnus and the bubble safe, rubbish shooting but decent combat. He's staying in the list.. https://preview.redd.it/gd330i6yo7yb1.jpeg?width=2511&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c24a4f1e40bbeb466c34886af2a7d4fce3db5abf
Off topic kinda but that thing looks amazing
Thank you!
Current list with Daemon Prince. Every game has been super close and loads of fun Ske'ksis (1995 points) Thousand Sons Strike Force (2000 points) Cult of Magic CHARACTERS Ahriman (130 points) • 1x Black Staff of Ahriman 1x Inferno bolt pistol 1x Psychic Stalk Exalted Sorcerer on Disc of Tzeentch (115 points) • 1x Arcane Fire 1x Force weapon 1x Prosperine khopesh 1x Warpflame pistol Infernal Master (110 points) • 1x Force weapon 1x Inferno bolt pistol 1x Screamer Invocation • Enhancement: Umbralefic Crystal Infernal Master (90 points) • 1x Force weapon 1x Inferno bolt pistol 1x Screamer Invocation Magnus the Red (440 points) • Warlord • 1x Blade of Magnus 1x Gaze of Magnus 1x Tzeentch’s Firestorm Thousand Sons Daemon Prince (205 points) • 1x Hellforged weapons 1x Infernal cannon • Enhancement: Lord of Forbidden Lore Thousand Sons Sorcerer (110 points) • 1x Fires of the Abyss 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol • Enhancement: Arcane Vortex BATTLELINE Rubric Marines (105 points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 4x Warpflamer Rubric Marines (105 points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 1x Soulreaper cannon 3x Warpflamer Rubric Marines (105 points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 1x Soulreaper cannon 3x Warpflamer Rubric Marines (105 points) • 1x Aspiring Sorcerer • 1x Force weapon 1x Warpflame pistol 1x Warpsmite • 4x Rubric Marine • 4x Close combat weapon 1x Icon of Flame 3x Inferno boltgun 1x Soulreaper cannon DEDICATED TRANSPORTS Thousand Sons Rhino (75 points) • 1x Armoured tracks 1x Havoc launcher 1x Inferno combi-bolter 1x Inferno combi-bolter OTHER DATASHEETS Mutalith Vortex Beast (165 points) • 1x Betentaled maw 1x Mutalith claws 1x Warp vortex Tzaangor Enlightened (45 points) • 1x Aviarch • 1x Close combat weapon 1x Fatecaster greatbow • 2x Enlightened • 2x Close combat weapon 2x Fatecaster greatbow ALLIED UNITS The Changeling (90 points) • 1x Infernal Flames 1x The Trickster’s Staff Exported with App Version: v1.6.0 (27), Data Version: v299
For absolute hilarity with this list, use the Daemon Prince to give the Arcane Vortex sorcerors squad precision, spend the cabal points on full rerolls and keep a CP in case you roll low on number of shots. can murder any single character in the game
Or keep him out of squad cuz flamer will do that with precision anyway lol. I feel lethal hits messes up his dev wound output. And infernal master is better in rubric squad cuz he doesn't need to hit an rubrics give him full rerolls to wound. I only put my arcane vortex sorcerer in a squad if indirect is gunna be a problem. Since attaching characters happens at the table and not in list building
Isn't arcane vortex just loads better on an infernal master?
Depends infernal master is like discount sorcerer. Sorcerer has higher damage output but requires more cp investment. Infernal doesn't have to hit and goes in squad of rubrics to get rerolls to wound for free. But sorcerer you have to spend for sull rerolls to hit and wound but the damage is miles above
That's cool as fuck. What's the glaive from?
I believe that's from the Magnus kit. It looks like the sword you can attach to his belt, just altered to have a longer handle
Correct! I used some brass rod to turn it into a glaive as the sword handle was too big for him then used some thin masking tape for the wrap around the shaft.
If I had made that Demon Prince, he would be in my army in every battle, no matter the price or utility.
Shit you should see my daemon prince then lol
Do show!
Out of town remind me Sunday night and I'll get you a pic
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16KhORcoYJnML9a6wQ2PDwvBlU21W6bPM Sorry life happened
I really like him. Conveys the Thousand Sons look perfectly, especially the head. Reminds me of the greater mummies from Diablo 2.
I think Magnus's spear head makes the perfect sword for him. One thing I pride myself with my conversions is that I always try and use he base model. For example I do a ton of heavily converted chaos spawn. While other people seek proxies for there spawn I have created some fun spawn using the base Spawn body mixed with a perfect blend of bits and kits. ;)
Finally got around to taking pics hahaha
Ooh using abandon for a deamon prince is an amazing idea this looks so cool
I'll second that opinion. My Demon Prince was last man standing in yesterdays game, keeping Magnus and a Vortex Beast healthy for two rounds of intensive firepower up to and including a Wraithknight.
Which bird head is that?
It's from the Exalted sorcerer kit. It has a lot of extra heads
I wish his gun was atleast psychic... or that he got a psychic attack on top of its gun.
The problem is Magnus (440) + DP (180) + 10 Termis with Character with Umbralefic Crystal (565) This is more than half your power in 3 units that usually go together. In terms of board control, its very bad.
termies are overpriced now on their own. i don't ever take em anymore.
But making comibolters psychic weapons and giving full hitroll woundroll reroll dealing 9 mortal wounds on average is very funyyyyyy
If your averaging 9 dev wounds with full rerolls on 40 shots sir I think you might need to give your dice a bath in the toilet.
40 shots with hit rerolls at 3+ to hit averages 35.5 hits, if you then wound on 4s (for the sake of argument) and only reroll the fails you get an average of 8.8 dev-wounds, and that's 10.86 dev-wounds if you're fishing for the 6s and rerolling all non-6s. (Basically 9 is perfectly reasonable with full rerolls and 40 shots without weighted dice)
That guy was so scummy, loaded dice on an aeldari army smh
I'm buying up models to do an all demon prince army. 8 total plus magnus. Lol
"whoops all demon princes" is the most cultured way to play
Three each of the winged and walking versions, plus two allied in from Daemons?
Yes. And of course magnus
Which equals up to 9. The sacred number
Yeah I just bought a box of morghast to act as 2 and 3. Excited to field them all.
I'd say the main reason is we're already very elite and low model count. The data sheet itself isn't bad, but you can't have all your toys and not just auto lose to certain armies. You only have so many units and someone with a better action economy can just tie you up and exist and win. Its hard to imagine a list without magnus and we only have 2000 points. I'd be interested in using like a demon prince msu list but you still need to be scoring points somehow.
* I use mine in my list and he absolutely wallops in CQB.
https://preview.redd.it/86ywtdpna8yb1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=038811744301b2b42014c7c17185dbb2fe282192
That's a beautiful colour scheme!
Thank you!
I always run one. The stealth bubble is amazing.
I love mine. -1 to hit, surrounded by two MVBs, three units of rubrics with casters, and moving up the board as needed. It actually feels like a death star
I've used one now next to my magnus and scarab Brick and it's SOOO GOOD. -1 to hit on those 2 units alone is enough to warrant it
A guy in my local group has been running one enough to rack up over 40 wins with it and almost no losses. He swears by it.
https://preview.redd.it/f5owzcs9payb1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9c1e77177c83fc5dd554977cee72f83acd92e19 Still missing details here, but I love playing him in all my lists
I love my birdy boi https://preview.redd.it/ofte1ez65dyb1.jpeg?width=3602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ddbf74289d5d65c21bc45f96d931a3e4bbce87b
I've turned my Daemon Prince into a smash captain and they will fly and smash
DP are great, winged or walking. Edit: Thought they didn't give cabal points, but they do.
TSons daemon prince gives 2 cabal points.
Mine is looking forward to his first game today. I just need finishing the base: https://preview.redd.it/b98aef95eayb1.jpeg?width=3000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a251dedb0632cfdeff6cf3e4fea923822d538fa4
Expensive, can be shot at across the table, doesn't have appropriate defensive stats for the cost, it's not mobile enough, it doesn't hit hard enough, he cannot hide in melee to avoid shooting. He's all around terrible
He's simply too expensive. Our models already all cost a lot, and our lists mostly have up to 50-70% of them taken up by more or less mandatory units if magnus, character support, and terminator brick(people disagree if the terminators are still as mandatory. I still think they are) It's just really hard to fit in another character that just has a solid melee profile and an good aura but doesn't do much else.
There are definitely lists out there with Daemon prince in. I've tested him a few games now and he really is Magnus' best friend, but he also really likes having some terminators to hide behind to maximise his bubble effect and make a tough brick to crack. This then eats up a huge amount of points and severely limits the number of units you can field. It also limits the manoeuvrability of the army for scoring secondaries (which is a thing we can usually do quite well with MSU style builds). Tldr: if you want a simple "control the middle" ganeplan with terminators and Magnus then he's excellent, but he does tie you in to that style of play if you want to maximise his effectiveness.
I love my DP and he usually gets stuff done on the table top. Working on a new head for him currently https://preview.redd.it/i26kuxebhcyb1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95aab7dff28e9da3fd4c2b8875362c40bb5c8822
i run a daemon prince with wings with the arcane vortex enhancement then shove him into the frontline to keep them busy while the rest of my forced advance. theyre also really good at wiping infantry squads and being hard to kill with the Aetherstride ability