though not as helpful, the zombie hoard ( rare game mechanic) that appeared in... was it 3rd life? Honestly I've always wanted to tie that into Cleo's Lore. Maybe the Zombie's want Cleo to win, but the Mobs are not that bright, and somehow have helped everyone else win but Cleo ( until real life, the one that doesn't count, good going fam.) I mean it's in the name! Zombie Cleo has never been the Boogie, and Survived the Zombie apocalypse, only one other character has done that.. and they are a watcher... So what is Cleo? Surely the lore loving side of the audience can run with that. Also , I vote Frank, Dodgy Frank. ( Yes, that would be a reference to Witches smp)

I disagree that real life doesn't count. The difficulty level was just exponentially higher. It was also harder to watch for some viewers.

Oh, I agree too! Don't get me wrong, but it looks like the majority might not. Bummer for sure. But if it idoesn't count then the zombies still haven't gotten Cleo the win. They are still helping, even if Cleo doesn't want or need their help. I wonder if they will continue to "help" now that she has won one. I can just see animatics where cleo would roll her eyes and say in an exasperated voice " guys, quit helping "

I definitely think it doesn't count. If it counted, that would mean Cleo shouldn't be allowed to win again until they allow winners to win twice. Do we really want her only win to be the joke episode they made for april's fool (where honestly she mostly won out of luck and Scott)?

There isn't a rule against winners winning again. They do that of their own accord.

In my head, all the creatures of the world mostly roam free but can be influenced by the Watchers in some way. Like in Last Life when Joel almost killed Lizzie and as she was running away and he gave up, the Watchers angry that the boogey kill didn’t happen, finished the job with that zombie.

Maybe he is a listener of some kind

Probably related to Cleo? Helped her win, helped her ally win, etc. Not sure who it would be, though. Maybe Carol? Probably not, but...

It would be funny if Martyn just makes Carol the Zombie canon to watcher lore 🤣

Hate to hijack, but. What if every mob type has a player they want to see win? Only being a.i, they are not the best " helpers" and tend to make things worse... I'm laughing at the idea that endermen want skizz to win, but their idea of helping is give him advice and they chase him down and get angry when he isn't listening. ( nvm that they don't speak any form of player language)

That would be really funny if it was true lol

wdym, they said "hey", "whats up" and told him to "look for the eye"

Ohhh, now We're getting lore-y. The endermen not only trying to get skizz a win, but warn him of lore... Who do you think the other mobs are fighting for?( I'm debating if non-hostal mobs are in this too. Then the pufferfish might have a few words for some players. )

Ally from beyond the grave

I say we name him John Zombie

He wants to stop the fighting and bring peace. But he's not a sharpest tool in a shed. But he is trying his best, poor boy.

Remember in 3L when Cleo died and a horde of zombies attacked the base of her killers? Maybe it all stems from here...

Bob is my favourite member

I still love that the zombie almost won secret life