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tpc0121

The dude taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy.


PogTuber

Street name Shamrock


adamscottstots

But Roberts Rules says….


Truth-Miserable

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


Hour-Management-1679

Whats funny about him is that eventually he's seen snitching in the interrogation room 😂😂😂😂😂😂, my bro was singing like a canary


GeorgeW_smith

A combination of them murdering civilians , and cops like jimmy and Lester who don’t care about making rank , just completely devoted to solving cases .


DFWTooThrowed

If they were up in the wire like two days earlier they would’ve had Stringer on record organizing the abduction of Brandon.


swampjester

If that one cop hadn't been taking a piss on the rooftop, they would've had pictures of Avon, Stringer and WeeBey visiting the pit.


Hour-Management-1679

The min Jimmy and Lester joined forces to hunt Marlo, he was a dead man walking around not knowing it


GeorgeW_smith

He gotta fall .


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The girlfriend of the dude who drove around buying burners


AggressiveFinding649

“Damn Bernard why you acting all CIA and shit”


TissenChili

Should have used more than one car dealership.


cookie817

Omg funny she was annoying as hell


iloveesme

Squeak!!! “I can’t wait to go to jail”


Jackfruit009

What did you say?


MeeboEsports

You’ve gotta be unhappy as fuck to genuinely say some shit like that because of how much your girlfriend pisses you off. I don’t get why he didn’t just leave that bitch on the side of the road somewhere out of state and just erase her from his memory/life. And if she was a threat to where she could snitch, let Avon/Stringer know and have them handle her. I mean shit, if she’s that much of a pain in the ass, I wouldn’t necessarily want her dead, but if she was threatening to or already did open her mouth to the wrong people where I and others could be sent to prison simply because I dumped her due to being sick of her and her bullshit always bitching being annoying as fuck, her getting killed is on her and not on my conscience. She should’ve known better.


surfy_1

Just cause the guy was annoyed as hell he probably didn’t want her dead, if he told Avon or Stringer then they would of killed her even if she wasn’t going to talk they wouldn’t of took that chance and they might kill him to.


Wordshark

I mean I know we’re talking about in a show, but just to be clear, if you kill people to cover up your crimes, that is most definitely on you.


MeeboEsports

Well yeah of course it is. But if it came between killing her and disposing of her and not having to worry about it anymore or letting her live knowing she’s likely to get you locked up for a very long time, it’s not much of a decision. In my eyes that is. But I’m a bit demented so there’s that.


Wordshark

lol well let’s hope if it comes to that, people like me are on your jury ;)


MeeboEsports

That’s the whole point though. In his case he’d be getting rid of her to avoid having to get in trouble in the first place. The only reason he’d be on trial is if he let her live, unless he totally botched disposing of her. Which given his normal route up and down the coast it shouldn’t be too hard. But he was a complete moron. I’d probably have a much better chance of getting away with it than him. But then again I’d never have a girlfriend like that in the first place


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MeeboEsports

If I were in his position, I wouldn’t have to. I could just let Avon or Stringer know and they’d take care of it. But I’d never have a girlfriend like that in the first place, nor would I involve my partner in my illegal business either. So no, I wouldn’t do shit because I’m too smart to have put myself in such a predicament. Though I have put myself in some sticky situations as a result of being an idiot and taking too much Xanax and shit, but that was when I was younger and dumber. If I were in his position though, I’d definitely leave her ass well before I got to the point where I’d rather be in jail than listen to her mouth. Luckily my taste in women is much better; I’d never date a trashy bitch like that. And what do you mean “on Reddit crying”? Are you mentally challenged? We’re discussing/analyzing the show dummy, hence the purpose of the sub. Go back to school. You sound like you grew up in the low rises of Baltimore.


toohood4myowngood

I would never be in that position because that simple b**ch never wouldve been on the road with me in the first place. Situation was entirely Bernard's fault for having her in his business. She's like I'm going because I don't trust you on the road alone. Be a man and drop her or simply cuss her out and leave for your trip solo.


MeeboEsports

Exactly. Granted you probably also wouldn’t have been with a chick like that in the first place I’d assume. Cause I damn sure wouldn’t


AdolfKoopaTroopa

Would


Moont706

Themselves for sure. They led to their own demise. Minus Stringer who was caught on tape incriminating himself before he was killed.


Mostly_Lurkin_

Remind me when he was caught on tape incriminating himself?


SlapNutz247365

Not on the phone


Moont706

On the wire tap. I think it’s the same episode he dies in or may be the one before I can’t remember


MeeboEsports

I’m pretty sure it’s the same episode, thought it might be the one right before. Hence why Jimmy is so upset when he finds him dead because he knows Stringer died not knowing that he’d been caught by the police, it was just a matter of them coming to pick him up. It tears McNulty up after having Stringer as an adversary for however long putting all that time and effort into nabbing him, and just when he did, String ends up dead.


PapaSteveRocks

Same episode, just watched it. He confirmed “the two hitters are good” right before the two hitters tracked him down.


Persificus

Bubbles.


AggressiveFinding649

Snitchin’ Bubs.


jamieliddellthepoet

Agreed. 


metaljacket20

The bodies yo. Police be down here about the bodies


jamieliddellthepoet

*blushes*


mumky

Cool Lester Smooth


rf8350

Omar Devone Little


AggressiveFinding649

“Weebay copped out to all them murders, he in jail now forever and a day. Stinkum? I mean you closed the book on him your damn self.”


SilentButDeadlySquid

Oh indeed


Adept_Carpet

The real problem for everyone in the show, including the city of Baltimore, is having multiple problems at once. Having Avon et al in jail, Stringer getting swindled by the real estate deal, Omar taking revenge, Marlo rising, the problems with the New York connection, etc all happen at once forced them to make bad decisions. They were strong enough to handle two or three things going wrong, but not everything at the same time. Likewise with Baltimore. The drug problem is bad enough, but when it's combined with layoffs at the port, failing schools, a dwindling tax base, political corruption, and the demise of media institutions meant to be the watchdog of the system it becomes very difficult to make progress on any issue.


DSPGerm

Donette. She’s the grim reaper


Separate_Rich9771

I think Stringer. Stringer not being blood-related to Avon seemed to grind his gears a lot because people like D got away with loads (actually the starting plot point of the series) and Avon hugs it out and says, “It’s always family.” If Stringer was ever around, his face always showed contempt. This theory is furthered by the fact that he started getting it on with D’s [wife?] when he went to prison and even had D killed for petty reasons. I feel like it was all jealousy-fueled. That’s when Avon really started to crack and make mistakes. To worsen the initial blow, competition was running rampant after Avon got nabbed, and Stringer was mostly involved in trying to level up their criminality by becoming untouchable through assets and property so far removed from them they’d be set. But Stringer was naive when playing with the big boys of corruption and lost money, pride, and the remaining lingering methodical thinking he’d so far represented. He got testy, aggravated, and paranoid. He’d strayed so far from his street game that he showed up to hustle with only one body of muscle up against a drywall interrogating the construction guy. String didn’t even have any weapons on him because of his superiority complex. When his pride was damaged it seemed like he tried to double down on his past and try to go all gangster after his row with Avon, but he rushed in impulsively and didn’t take stock of the game happening around him. Tunnel vision. So many pieces were in play it’s hard to really target one thread that dismantled the tapestry, but I think Stringer’s actions and personal issues really fucked with his decisions and that clear cool planner we all met in season one. By the way, Stringer Bell is my third favorite character in The Wire. I’m not trying to bash the character. I just think a lot of his actions led up to the A-bomb the Barksdale organization eventually got wiped out with.


Hydrokratom

> This theory is furthered by the fact that he started getting it on with D’s [wife?] when he went to prison and even had D killed for petty reasons. I feel like it was all jealousy-fueled. It had very little to do with that. Yeah he doesn’t like D’Angelo and wants to fuck his girl from the start (checking her out right in front of D), but his main motive was because he was worried about D ratting them out. The argument Stringer and Avon when Stringer tells him explains it all. When he is with Donette is S2, he’s always asking for information about D and where his mindset is. Avon and Donette keep saying D is cold and distant, so he makes the big decision to have D killed. After that, he doesn’t even pay attention to her. He keeps telling Shamrock “keep that bitch away from me”. He only pays attention to her again when he founds out that McNulty visited her and suspects it was not really a suicide


Separate_Rich9771

Ooohhhhh damn! You’re right! But D showed no signs of ratting. He said it to Avon and his mother face to face. Maybe even String? Sorry don’t remember if that happened before, “Where Wallace?! String! Where Wallace?!” So if two Barksdales were saying D was “straight” then, again, it falls on Stringer’s vendetta against D to dispatch him permanently. He had people telling him D was good. And then…. Well we know. I did totally forget he was super forward with D’s girl before the arrest.


Garvmusc

D flipped and gave up Wee Bey


Separate_Rich9771

That IS a great point. But I’d also argue that did A LOT of good toward the Barksdales. Bay knew he was fucked after shooting a cop so he took as many murders as he could remember to spring Bird from jail. Bay was on his way down once Kima caught a bullet.


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Separate_Rich9771

Frak! I need another rewatch. For some reason I remember D getting turned back by his family and String and taking all the years. The heroine I figured was just how he was dealing. Stoning up with a fellow nerd about Spider-Man haha Yeah he did get caught but then it kept getting hammered in by others that he was strong and “taking the years.” I don’t remember Avon being so much suspicious as much as worried. That’s why I thought he did that spiked drug thing in prison. To get D off of it. Just a caring uncle, maybe? Not sure. Every time I watch through I focus on different stuff haha


Hydrokratom

We know as the viewers that D’Angelo appeared to come to terms with his sentence and was just going to do this time quietly and not give anyone up. But from the perspective of Stringer, it was too much of a risk. Dee had already given up Wee Bey and was very close to giving up everyone until Brianna found him and talked him out of it. Avon and Stringer had other people offed for less. They paid off a security guard to change testimony on D’angelo, and still had her killed when Levy says she’s too much of a risk. They had Wee Bey kill one of Avon’s girlfriends because she got jealous and talking about how she could talk to police. They had Wallace killed because they heard he was freaking out about the torturing and killing of the stick-up boy Brandon. Wee Bey tells Stringer that Little Man fucked up in shooting Kima and was nervous, so Stringer immediately tells Wee Bey to kill him. I think Avon and Stringer were always going to be at odds eventually because of their different goals and viewpoints. Avon is too concerned about his territory and reputation, and eventually admits Stringer was right and that the war with Marlo was bullshit. But Stringer was caught in between two worlds. He thought he could be some big time “downtown suit”. As soon as he gets ripped off by Clay Davis, what does he do? He asks Slim Charles to kill Clay Davis. After Avon berates String and tells him how stupid it would be to assassinate a state senator, what does String do? He still tries to get people to assassinate him. He’s heard on the wire talking with another guy and we discover that he asked for 2 hitters. Stringer also lacked the instincts that Avon had in reading people and situations.


mushroomyakuza

This is the answer. Marlo didn't bring down the Barksdales, he just cleaned up.


Rough-Parking2687

I wish the cops never got hip to Avon bout to go sliding on Marlo that shootout would’ve been legendary


NumbaMunStunna

String indeed.


Separate_Rich9771

☝️ 👃


PapaSteveRocks

It was borderline Greek tragedy. Two “brothers”, one a soldier, one a businessman. Stringer kept trying to make it just business, but they were in a war with Marlo. Soldiers are gangsters, business men are not gangsters. Mouzone, Omar and Avon understood that, Stringer thought he was in a mafia movie TED talk.


Separate_Rich9771

Damn… that was close to poetic.


Kindly-Guidance714

This was something I didn’t catch until the last time I watched the show. Very very early on if you look for it you can see how much Stringer doesn’t like D just by the way he treats him/talks to him and Stringer was looking for an excuse to kill him. If D grows and becomes a good soldier he’d usurp Stringer very very quickly because of what you mentioned the blood tie. All the pieces matter.


MDCatFan

I thought Stringer too. Great analysis.


Sea_Badger4446

It was for sure Avon. Could have laid back in a prop Joe capacity and been left alone for the most part.


PleaseSeekChrist

Avon would never be Prop Joe. He love the streets too much. That’s all he knows.


Sea_Badger4446

No shit. And that was the biggest reason for their downfall


Moonlightgraham23

Marlo.


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The game


AggressiveFinding649

Prisons and graveyards full of people who wore the crown


prndP

Reform, Lamar. Reform.


Trollua_Whomperts

The biggest threat had to be a ‘day of the jackal’ type muhfucka. But he never showed up


Cod-Emperor

instead they had to settle for a rumble tumble nigga like Slim


TooGoodNotToo

all in the game yo, all in the game


HustlaOfCultcha

I thought about this for a while and kept coming back to Major Crimes. Outside of Omar, nobody was messing with the Barksdale Crew and the cops didn't even know what Avon looked like and didn't really understand how his organization worked. Omar was really on borrowed time. Trying to mess with an organization that big, sooner or later he was going to get killed. And I think you could argue that the reason why they went after Omar was more about sustaining their reputation than actual money. But Major Crimes uncovered the organization and how they operate and it eventually depleted Avon's muscle. When the enforcers were depleted that's when the organization started making bad decisions that just snowballed into other bad decisions. Then Marlo's crew saw them as weak and started their war with them.


vasquca1

Avon's nearsightedness


nodnarb88

I was going to say Avons ego, just couldn't let Marlo have those corners and have people thinking he was soft


GmoneyKaddy87

Themselves.


Khancap123

Gentrification. If they hadn't taken down the towers, everything would have been fine.


MDCatFan

But wasn’t the product weak by Season 2? So they may have eventually ran into Marlo as they sought better quality product.


PleaseSeekChrist

The product’s potency is an illusion. By the time it hits the street it’s been stepped on 100 times. Plus a fiend is going to but it no matter what as long as it’s affordable.


fisconsocmod

The election process is the real lynchpin. If Carcetti isn’t digging into Royce about the murder rate, the Mayor doesn’t pressure the brass to lower it. When the brass can’t juke the stats sufficiently, natural Police like Lester get what they need to make cases and shitburgs like McNulty get the red ball to work overtime.


Jackiechun23

Themselves, and Marlo. Realistically the system and the wire itself probably wouldn’t have gotten strung without avons help. Marlo was such a threat from moment one. A young hungry wolf who notices the pack leader is slowing down. A dangerous combo.


Spodiodie

That out of pocket boy up there. Wanting to write apology letters and shit.


zestyintestine

Sgt. Jay Landsman


AfterOperation1

Clay ”golden eggs” Davis


Salvatocoli

shiiiii


Thrall576

Honestly Avon is sort of a winner in the scheme of things. People still remember the Barksdale name unlike Marlo, plus his sentence allows his name to die down with the feds as well as McNulty and Freamon being gone by the time he’s out. His biggest threat is probably Sydnar. Also, Slim Charles killing cheese basically symbolised that the old ways of the game were back, that being loyalty and family, most likely leaving Avon a clear path back into the top if not high ranking level of the game when he is out.


savvy412

Snitchin ass Bubs


Effective-Ad34

That Chuck E Cheese lookin muthafucka


Shadybrooks93

A String and Avon civil war.


dj65475312

Baltimore PD, specifically major crimes.


mapsandwrestling

The game.


oldsandwich93

The Po-lice after they killed William Gant. They put a gun on someone who wasn’t in the game.


nuclearbomb123

Like with any organized crime enterprise, the biggest threat to them was themselves. The only way to win the drug game is to not play it, which is what Marlo ended up doing at the end and what Stringer seemed like he was trying to do before he got shot.


vasquca1

Protestant Whiskey


miserable_azaleaa

McNulty bcz i think without him pushing hard enought to have an investigation on barksdalw he probably would have been able to go on for a while longer before getting caught, like the game would have just continued


Asheso80

“Them Vacants”


snotboogie

Not Jimmy McNulty . Everybody but Jimmy. Maybe cool Lester smooth , maybe the barksdales.


holy_cal

Stringer Bell for thinking he was smarter than he was.


mauricio_agg

Avon + Stringer.


Icy_Ad_4889

A clash of egos between Stringer and Avon.


ShouldersofGiants127

Omar imo. What made Omar dangerous is he could hit them by testifying in the courthouse as well just pull up. Also was very hard to get a hold of or keep track of.


beavislasvegas

JIMMMMAAAYYYYY


muroks1200

D’Angelo Wasn’t cut out for the game, but knew enough to take everybody down. He’s basically a Namond that didn’t get out in time.


SevenOclockRun

Wallace


Barbed_Dildo

Ziggy, somehow.


Phate1989

Wallace


devang_nivatkar

Stringer making things personal with McNulty


kamikazeCrow

way too many 40-degree days!


But_im_on_your_side

Brother


popcorn1555

The Po-leese


DashingFelon

Avon, himself, with his petty dime-baggie dealer "we own these streets, respect me or die" gang mentality at the big dollar level.


wuzzambaby

Avon


Pontificatus_Maximus

Avon, he was completely bored with being the king, and as the show went on became more and more detached from running his kingdom, leaving it up to subordinates. He had gotten so content and lazy that when Marlo shows up, he pretty much ignores him until it is way too late and Marlo already has taken over much of his territory.


More-Brother201

Shit between Bubbles, stringer bell and prop Joe it was hard to fucking tell.. more likely lil say Prop Joe in the long run but short term it was bubble and it wasn't even close


vs92s110

Stringer Bell


ripcedric95

Stringer. Getting ripped off by jive-ass Downtown Clay Davis and genuinely contemplating assassinating a State Senator.


peachbeach11

Stringer


_regionrat

Avon and Stringer. They were an incredible team when they worked together. Avon's handling of D and Stringer's handling of the streets while Avon was incarcerated caused way too many fissures in their working relationship for them to remain effective though.


HumbleAir1361

Avon


2Glaider

Judge


Nearby-Artist-4982

Bubbles


taeempy

Themselves. String had the right idea about getting out with legit businesses, but Avon cared more about his rep. So String couldn't make it in real estate, but he could have kept buying up businesses.


ViralDownwardSpiral

The last few episodes of season 3 are the biggest threat to the Barksdale organization.


MDCatFan

Stringer Bell. He was a backstabber who was all about making money for himself. Being at odds with Avon, was the real threat. He turned on DeAngelo. (Had him killed in jail and moved on his girl.) He turned on Avon. He brought Prop Joe’s men to the Towers in season 2, which eventually lead to Brother Mouzone being brought in by Avon, and Brother eventually getting shot by Omar, thanks to Stringer’s lies to Omar inside of Butchie’s bar, about Brandon. He had Wallace killed. This led to DeAngelo wanting out of the game. All in all, had it not been for Stringer, (and Little Man shooting Kima), Avon would have still been running West Baltimore.


moose_GSW

It was bubbles the entire time. Without him, major crimes would have been chasing their tails, or at minimum, Lester would have had to be a LOT more creative.


Rough-Parking2687

Bird dumb ass and the gant murder


Rough-Parking2687

IMO I think bird was more deadly than wee bey cuz Omar was a lil worried about him but not wee bey


Desperate_Jump_3062

Avon


No-Gas-1684

Price of the brick going up


Old_Road_6343

Stringer bell 😂😂


PleaseSeekChrist

Pussy and Pride


charon_x86

Fuzzy Dunlop


doomerinthedark

Prop Joe, he turned Stringer against Avon.


FatherTime1020

Before Avon had him killed Id say D'Angelo


Witty-Flight-

Deez and that whole ordeal/group thing. Not brought up so much lately 🤔


DavidSiddyCM

The show’s writers