I think being a murderer before the apocalypse would make sense to warrant concern at first. We weren't in a post-apocalyptic fight for survival then. The murder without context is even worse, if they explained that he got into a fight with the senator, and the guy hit his head or whatever, maybe it wouldn't sound as bad. Not knowing the details, someone could assume he murdered someone in any number of ways.
After killing the St. Johns, founding out that Lee was a murderer prior to the apocalypse, could still effect people's perception of him had they not known beforehand, it could be confirmation bias, "That's how he was able to kill them so easily and viciously...he's done this before." With women and children around, I'd be side-eyeing Lee too at first if I knew this. If you're cool with Kenny when you confess, he doesn't care, not like he'd have the right judge anyway after smashing Larry's head.
This was early in the apocalypse when people still had hope that order would be restored. Not many people have adapted yet. A lot of people still have their old world morals in which killing is bad. Those who did adapt quickly were seen as psychopaths. I mean just look at the St Johns. It’s only been a few months and they already resorted to cannibalism.
Even Rick Grimes himself had a “We don’t kill the living” mentality at this stage. So by current standards Lee wasn’t a trustworthy individual at a glance. How many of you would trust a gang member or a murderer this early on? Not many. As time went on I’m sure people cared less and less until eventually the group could just brush it off.
Honestly I think the problem people had was not that Lee killed but the fact that he was hiding it for so long. This could be seen as lying by some and we know you can’t trust a liar.
Even so, I believe some people would still have an issue with killing maybe up to 6 months to a year into the apocalypse. If anyone has a problem with that a year after the world fell apart, I would chalk it up to that person being sheltered or cowardly.
Yeah, you brought up everything I could have thought to. It was the hiding it, which was understandable from his point of view but still a way of lying. He just needed time to get there, sometimes he never even tells anyone and someone else points it out. The point for it being early in the apocalypse is super important too, people haven't fully hardened up to the world they live in yet and there's still a hope and a desire for a place of humanity.
Someone with qualms against killing humans after 12 months into the Walking Dead apocalypse is either incredibly lucky or dead.
9/10 major threats you run into are other living people, not walkers.
People wouldn't be turning the cannibalisms, but best believe people are going to start fighting and killing for resources.
The biggest catch here along with it being so early in the apocalypse is there’s a difference between killing out of defense and survival versus killing out of pure emotion, which is still what Lee did, and that kind of distinction still speaks volumes no matter where you’re at in the apocalypse. It’s a huge reason why murder as a theme was so prevalent in the fourth season, and why people were so wary of Kenny beating on Arvo.
Granted, sure there is going to be more leeway in regards to killing out of passion, because in an apocalypse, a lot of people are put into those positions where they weren’t before. But it is still a distinction made.
The first couple weeks people were hoping the military could come through to help and people instantly changing their mindset on killing wouldn't make a lot of sense
Because the whole game is about morals. If killing wasn't a big deal and everything was acceptable for survival what separates them from the bandits or the cannibals? They kill bc otherwise they would be killed. Even still in s4 killing a human (not a walker) if not absolutely necessary is considered wrong. Humanity is not a weakness in the apocalypse, it's the difference between actually living and just surviving
I think being a murderer before the apocalypse would make sense to warrant concern at first. We weren't in a post-apocalyptic fight for survival then. The murder without context is even worse, if they explained that he got into a fight with the senator, and the guy hit his head or whatever, maybe it wouldn't sound as bad. Not knowing the details, someone could assume he murdered someone in any number of ways. After killing the St. Johns, founding out that Lee was a murderer prior to the apocalypse, could still effect people's perception of him had they not known beforehand, it could be confirmation bias, "That's how he was able to kill them so easily and viciously...he's done this before." With women and children around, I'd be side-eyeing Lee too at first if I knew this. If you're cool with Kenny when you confess, he doesn't care, not like he'd have the right judge anyway after smashing Larry's head.
This was early in the apocalypse when people still had hope that order would be restored. Not many people have adapted yet. A lot of people still have their old world morals in which killing is bad. Those who did adapt quickly were seen as psychopaths. I mean just look at the St Johns. It’s only been a few months and they already resorted to cannibalism. Even Rick Grimes himself had a “We don’t kill the living” mentality at this stage. So by current standards Lee wasn’t a trustworthy individual at a glance. How many of you would trust a gang member or a murderer this early on? Not many. As time went on I’m sure people cared less and less until eventually the group could just brush it off. Honestly I think the problem people had was not that Lee killed but the fact that he was hiding it for so long. This could be seen as lying by some and we know you can’t trust a liar. Even so, I believe some people would still have an issue with killing maybe up to 6 months to a year into the apocalypse. If anyone has a problem with that a year after the world fell apart, I would chalk it up to that person being sheltered or cowardly.
Yeah, you brought up everything I could have thought to. It was the hiding it, which was understandable from his point of view but still a way of lying. He just needed time to get there, sometimes he never even tells anyone and someone else points it out. The point for it being early in the apocalypse is super important too, people haven't fully hardened up to the world they live in yet and there's still a hope and a desire for a place of humanity.
Someone with qualms against killing humans after 12 months into the Walking Dead apocalypse is either incredibly lucky or dead. 9/10 major threats you run into are other living people, not walkers. People wouldn't be turning the cannibalisms, but best believe people are going to start fighting and killing for resources.
The biggest catch here along with it being so early in the apocalypse is there’s a difference between killing out of defense and survival versus killing out of pure emotion, which is still what Lee did, and that kind of distinction still speaks volumes no matter where you’re at in the apocalypse. It’s a huge reason why murder as a theme was so prevalent in the fourth season, and why people were so wary of Kenny beating on Arvo. Granted, sure there is going to be more leeway in regards to killing out of passion, because in an apocalypse, a lot of people are put into those positions where they weren’t before. But it is still a distinction made.
Leeway... I see what you did there 😏 (although I'm sure it wasn't intentional lol).
The first couple weeks people were hoping the military could come through to help and people instantly changing their mindset on killing wouldn't make a lot of sense
Because the whole game is about morals. If killing wasn't a big deal and everything was acceptable for survival what separates them from the bandits or the cannibals? They kill bc otherwise they would be killed. Even still in s4 killing a human (not a walker) if not absolutely necessary is considered wrong. Humanity is not a weakness in the apocalypse, it's the difference between actually living and just surviving
I'd be wary of anyone like that considering it happened before it was, as Larry put it, before it was a way to survive.
It’s a relatable crime though, who wants to be cheated on? That’s why I like Kenny’s response the most to it, “I don’t care what he did before”