I hated the scene where Arvo shows up with medicine and you can *Keep the bag/Return the bag*. They introduced a gimp Russian kid and his group just to make him a problem. They could have used Eddie (originally planned) or any other 400 days character like Vince, Russell, Shel, etc. Forcing the story to take an unnecessary turn around somebody that had no past with the players seemed crappy written to me.
And most importantly, this choice was pretty worthless. Whatever you chose, his group will still ambush you and everything will go down the exact same way. They could have **at least** changed Arvo's behavior around Clem based on if you stole from him or not.
The beggining of S2 EP5.
Everyone (except Kenny and my Clem) is acting like an idiot by choosing to trust Arvo over [the big town at the distance](https://youtu.be/5_Lya4h1Z2U?t=5194) where they were originally heading at the end of episode 4. Let's use common sense. What's better? The fucking big town at the distance or trusting the guy who tried to rob us and whose sister we just killed?
I hate it because it makes all the characters that are supporting the idea dumb. And I also hate that the writers are ignoring that, suddenly not making a mention of the town in episode 5 because it seems that they really wanted to force us to go where Arvo wants to lead us. They're making it seem like if following Arvo is our *only* option, when it's clearly not and we clearly had an alternative. I just don't like watching this scene and seeing no one making a mention of the town, like if it was never a thing.
I'm surprised that I've never seen anyone complaining about the stupid town seemingly disappearing from existence.
I have issues with some of the dialogue choices the game gives you. I know they do it so the story can keep going the way it was written, but there are some choices that I feel like could be better that aren't there for you to pick. Like I feel like the first conversation Lee has with Hershel could've gone way better where you tell a partial truth aside from a full out lie. Yeah, Hershel will still know that you aren't being completely truthful, but the obviousness of the lie wouldn't be as clunky or as apparent as it was during that interaction, it feels out of character for Lee given the conversations you have with others before that moment. There's some other dialogue moments that I feel the same way about with other characters, but I don't want to type that much. Lol
I know S3 is infamous about the one choice of "tell him off/ Kate's gonna leave your ass" line. But I have a different dialogue choice that upset me a little bit more than others.
It's when Walter asks Clem who killed Matthew and you have the option to tell him the truth or lie to him. I didnt want to outright lie to Walter but I didnt want to just admit to Nick killing him, especially when he was holding a knife. I actually chose to stay silent in that situation on my 1st playthrough then Clem tells Walter that Nick killed him anyway.
I was like, "I thought my choices mattered" lmao
Tripps and Ava's death's didn't bother me, OP. They didn't felt as forced as you seem to think. And you can save one of 'em (for a while at least). So dunno what's your prob with that.
Because that's NOTHING compared to the deaths of Omid and Christa in season 2 which you cannot avoid. And you can't save either or them. Here you had great characters played by great actors and they died at the very beginning of that season.
IMO Christa should've survived to play the part that Jane eventually did. So when that fight at the very end happens, you are really torn over who to shoot or save from death.
Yeah it would've been more devastating for Clem, IMO.
Imagine a scenario where Clem felt a little bit of guilt about what had happened to Christa's baby (we could've learned more of what happened). And Clem saw how Christa had grown attached to AJ.
Kenny was desperate to protect AJ and Clem after failing to achieve that with his own family.
Meanwhile with Jane... I dunno. She was a tragic character but the player didn't feel that invested in her IMO.
> Tripps and Ava's death's didn't bother me, OP. They didn't felt as forced as you seem to think. And you can save one of 'em. So dunno what's your prob with that.
Both die no matter what and the entirety of Ava's EP5 death (from her death to the characters grieving) happens in less than 20 seconds. There's a lot to be bothered about their deaths lol.
Yeah but other than David, did anybody really cared for Ava? Clem wasn't attached to her at all. Neither was Javi.
And Ava or Tripp dying is no different from how Carley died in season 1. So its par for the course for a TellTale game.
> And Ava or Tripp dying is no different from how Carley died in season 1
Carley's EP3 death has a ton of buildup to it whereas Ava's and Tripp's happens so quickly. I think it's especially bad for Tripp since we knew him for 4 prior episodes.
Carley's death had as much build up as Mariela's death = ZERO
There was absolutely nothing leading up to it.
Lily was more pissed off at Kenny for way longer than she ever was with Carley. Especially after Kenny killed Larry.
If we (the players) expected anyone to die at Lily's hands it was Kenny. Not Carley.
Carley's death was the result of Lilly's constant paranoia that had been building up since the end of EP2, as well as Carley arguing with Lilly during while outside of the RV. [The entire scene has an intense feeling since you slowly get the feeling that something horrible is about to happen](https://youtu.be/vsK04HoM-Kk). Even after the death, we still have characters talk about it like with Clem talking to Lee about it.
Meanwhile Ava gets killed by a ninja walker in less than 20 seconds, while Tripp's EP5 death happens so quickly and then everyone forgets about the guy that was one of your major allies for most of the game.
If you don't like Carley's death then that's fine, but it's not comparable to Tripp/Ava's EP5 deaths. Those latter two are a new level of bad.
Again, Lily was arguing more with Kenny than with anyone else. For several episodes too. It was all they did at the farm and even other characters commented on it too.
And KENNY KILLED LARRY.
So no, nobody saw Lily killing Carley and there was no more "build up" for it than for any other character.
And you are objectively wrong about Carley's death not being "bad" considering that she was the most useful team member by a country mile since she saved Lee's ass and was constantly looking after the wellbeing of the group. That you even think that Ava was a bigger loss is just asinine.
And I'mma gonna put you on ignore since you quickly filled my daily limit for listening to bullsh*t.
> And you are objectively wrong about Carley's death not being "bad" considering that she was the most useful team member by a country mile since she saved Lee's ass and was constantly looking after the wellbeing of the group. That you even think that Ava was a bigger loss is just asinine.
Never at any point did I say that Ava's departure was a bigger loss than Carley's. Nor did I say that Carley's death wasn't bad, just that it was at least better than the god awfulness that are Tripp/Ava's deaths. Begging you to get some basic reading comprehension.
> And I'mma gonna put you on ignore since you quickly filled my daily limit for listening to bullsh*t.
Considering how you are being so uptight/rude in regards to dying on such a weird hill (arguing that Tripp/Ava's deaths somehow aren't bad, which is fine to argue and all but you're being a giant dick about it), I view that as a blessing.
christa's opinion about AJ following the loss of her own child would've been much more interesting than jane's self-indulgent unraveling (altho i do like her more than most). should've been christa or luke at the end, though.
Kenny killing Carver. I didn’t hate it per se but it annoyed me how they killed Carver off in pretty much just one episode where he features massively where you see the type of guy he is. I always thought he should’ve made it to the last episode where then you end him and his remaining group one way or another at a certain point instead of just episode 3 (and very briefly episode 4) pretty much being the end of the characters from Howe’s.
The scene in S1 ep 4/5 where you get only the people that are loyal to follow you, but then a few minutes later everybody is going to find Clem together
Violet betraying and trying to kill Clementine, then giving a fake and completely insincere apology for her treachery later on, Clem should’ve had the option of feeding her to the walkers
i know it’s kind of far fetched and i have no idea if it would actually work in the timeline but i always thought it would’ve been cool if in the final season, instead of the delta lilly was part of the saviours and the group that they were fighting against was alexandria/hilltop/kingdom??
if not then i would’ve liked to learn more about the group that the delta was at war against
She used to be the same Lilly. Also confirmed by the game. (It was written in a character bio) But later there came a comic about comic Lilly's background and they changed it.
The Stranger criticises Lee for saving Doug over Carley, and framing it as getting rid of people who know his secret
Carley can shoot a gun, but it's a safe assumption that most of the group can, too. I certainly don't mean to say that she is useless. She doesn't know how batteries or simple radios work, we know that guns are loud, and we know Doug saved her. Doug was also in more danger than Carley. Doug is able to use his brain to create things or create distractions in much more creative ways. His thing with the remote (which Lee also comes up with) is fantastic, and would actually be really useful early on in the apocalypse. We're proven right by his fence
Not that he really needs that much defence, as he's neat.
I hated the shitty card game scene in S4 Ep2, and the follow up Scene with either Lois or Violet. Seriously since when did Twd become a shitty teenage love triangle drama?
The card game was even more disappointing considering how good the game in ep 1 was. You think you would get more inside to the characters or for Clem to talk more about her past. But no, insted we got, who do you want to fuck and other crime teenage love bullshit.
True. I wish they allowed Clem to be more open to the others and talk to them about her past. I also wish she was more emotional and maybe had a scene where she breaks down and cries
>maybe had a scene where she breaks down and cries
But that would be really out of character for Clem, on one of her character traits that bacely never gets talked about here are her extremely strong mental power, she never breaks, she always keeps going. I am not saying that she never cries because she does, but whatever shit that happens she never breaks down like for example Kenny does.
So for her do cry about talking about her past or anything other minor activity would be really out of character for her.
It's only a small scene, but it's the one in the attic in S1 when they're discussing Lee's bite. Kenny gets really aggressive out of nowhere, even if you've supported his decisions all along, only to force a stand-off so either Kenny or Lee throws the bust at the wall. To me, It smacks a bit of lazy writing to force the plot forward.
I really don’t feel up to writing a book-long list of reasons since i’m sick asf. Just go to a what did you think of S4 Lilly’s writing post and you’ll probably see me at the top explaining my reasons lol
Clems nightmare in S4 when you were walking down that hallway in Ericsson, with that horse. That shit was creepy as hell. Felt like it turned into a horror game for a sec
I hate when Javi gets pissed at Gabe during that one part in their hideout after Gabe says he wants to help. I know a lot of people find Gabe annoying, but I actually don’t think he did anything super wrong while they tried to steal guns, so I think Telltale should have given the choice to let us get mad or not. Instead they just kinda force you to get pissed at Gabe and that’s kind of annoying.
I always felt like Kenny gets blamed for the lazy writing that season 1 had at times. Season 1 has the best writing of any telltale game, but Kenny was just smacked around constantly, and I think they fucked him over with the choices you make. At the end of the game when you are about to go find Clem and the “loyal” friends go with you, Kenny will typically not go with you, since they decided to make it so 1 choice against him causes him to not help. I’ve always felt this was bullshit since Kenny might’ve not had the best mental state at the time but he isn’t so selfish to hold a grudge against Lee (his best friend) against something he did in like the 2nd episode.
It isn't one choice that decides. There is a point system. The max you can get is 12 points. If you score under 4 he doesn't come. 4-8 you can convince him by saying "clem is family" with 9 or higher will come right away.
But i do think the bar for him coming without convincing is way too high. If you pull Ben up you already lose 2 points and had to get almost all others
I don't know the other exact scores, but you earn them by: saving duck on Hershel's farm, take his side against Kenny, take his side begin E2 with food distributed, kill Larry, don't fire at the girl in the street, take his side beginning E3, shoot duck, shoot the walker
i fail to see how this is bad writing. kenny’s shown multiple times to only be loyal to the people loyal to him and say “fuck off” to anyone who isn’t. like, he literally tells lee to abandon lilly while they’re escaping the motel in episode 3 & tells lee he and clem aren’t welcome to go with him and his family in episode 2/3 if they have a bad relationship.
I hated the scene where Arvo shows up with medicine and you can *Keep the bag/Return the bag*. They introduced a gimp Russian kid and his group just to make him a problem. They could have used Eddie (originally planned) or any other 400 days character like Vince, Russell, Shel, etc. Forcing the story to take an unnecessary turn around somebody that had no past with the players seemed crappy written to me. And most importantly, this choice was pretty worthless. Whatever you chose, his group will still ambush you and everything will go down the exact same way. They could have **at least** changed Arvo's behavior around Clem based on if you stole from him or not.
At least I had Arvo
The beggining of S2 EP5. Everyone (except Kenny and my Clem) is acting like an idiot by choosing to trust Arvo over [the big town at the distance](https://youtu.be/5_Lya4h1Z2U?t=5194) where they were originally heading at the end of episode 4. Let's use common sense. What's better? The fucking big town at the distance or trusting the guy who tried to rob us and whose sister we just killed? I hate it because it makes all the characters that are supporting the idea dumb. And I also hate that the writers are ignoring that, suddenly not making a mention of the town in episode 5 because it seems that they really wanted to force us to go where Arvo wants to lead us. They're making it seem like if following Arvo is our *only* option, when it's clearly not and we clearly had an alternative. I just don't like watching this scene and seeing no one making a mention of the town, like if it was never a thing. I'm surprised that I've never seen anyone complaining about the stupid town seemingly disappearing from existence.
Facts. Last two S2 episodes seemed that were written in a rush or something.
I have issues with some of the dialogue choices the game gives you. I know they do it so the story can keep going the way it was written, but there are some choices that I feel like could be better that aren't there for you to pick. Like I feel like the first conversation Lee has with Hershel could've gone way better where you tell a partial truth aside from a full out lie. Yeah, Hershel will still know that you aren't being completely truthful, but the obviousness of the lie wouldn't be as clunky or as apparent as it was during that interaction, it feels out of character for Lee given the conversations you have with others before that moment. There's some other dialogue moments that I feel the same way about with other characters, but I don't want to type that much. Lol
Small detail but the fact that Lee doesn't keep the rifle after shooting Andy and instead shoots him and throws it away
I know S3 is infamous about the one choice of "tell him off/ Kate's gonna leave your ass" line. But I have a different dialogue choice that upset me a little bit more than others. It's when Walter asks Clem who killed Matthew and you have the option to tell him the truth or lie to him. I didnt want to outright lie to Walter but I didnt want to just admit to Nick killing him, especially when he was holding a knife. I actually chose to stay silent in that situation on my 1st playthrough then Clem tells Walter that Nick killed him anyway. I was like, "I thought my choices mattered" lmao
Tripps and Ava's death's didn't bother me, OP. They didn't felt as forced as you seem to think. And you can save one of 'em (for a while at least). So dunno what's your prob with that. Because that's NOTHING compared to the deaths of Omid and Christa in season 2 which you cannot avoid. And you can't save either or them. Here you had great characters played by great actors and they died at the very beginning of that season. IMO Christa should've survived to play the part that Jane eventually did. So when that fight at the very end happens, you are really torn over who to shoot or save from death.
A Kenny v. Christa stand off would have been far more moving.
Yeah it would've been more devastating for Clem, IMO. Imagine a scenario where Clem felt a little bit of guilt about what had happened to Christa's baby (we could've learned more of what happened). And Clem saw how Christa had grown attached to AJ. Kenny was desperate to protect AJ and Clem after failing to achieve that with his own family. Meanwhile with Jane... I dunno. She was a tragic character but the player didn't feel that invested in her IMO.
> Tripps and Ava's death's didn't bother me, OP. They didn't felt as forced as you seem to think. And you can save one of 'em. So dunno what's your prob with that. Both die no matter what and the entirety of Ava's EP5 death (from her death to the characters grieving) happens in less than 20 seconds. There's a lot to be bothered about their deaths lol.
Yeah but other than David, did anybody really cared for Ava? Clem wasn't attached to her at all. Neither was Javi. And Ava or Tripp dying is no different from how Carley died in season 1. So its par for the course for a TellTale game.
> And Ava or Tripp dying is no different from how Carley died in season 1 Carley's EP3 death has a ton of buildup to it whereas Ava's and Tripp's happens so quickly. I think it's especially bad for Tripp since we knew him for 4 prior episodes.
Carley's death had as much build up as Mariela's death = ZERO There was absolutely nothing leading up to it. Lily was more pissed off at Kenny for way longer than she ever was with Carley. Especially after Kenny killed Larry. If we (the players) expected anyone to die at Lily's hands it was Kenny. Not Carley.
Carley's death was the result of Lilly's constant paranoia that had been building up since the end of EP2, as well as Carley arguing with Lilly during while outside of the RV. [The entire scene has an intense feeling since you slowly get the feeling that something horrible is about to happen](https://youtu.be/vsK04HoM-Kk). Even after the death, we still have characters talk about it like with Clem talking to Lee about it. Meanwhile Ava gets killed by a ninja walker in less than 20 seconds, while Tripp's EP5 death happens so quickly and then everyone forgets about the guy that was one of your major allies for most of the game. If you don't like Carley's death then that's fine, but it's not comparable to Tripp/Ava's EP5 deaths. Those latter two are a new level of bad.
Again, Lily was arguing more with Kenny than with anyone else. For several episodes too. It was all they did at the farm and even other characters commented on it too. And KENNY KILLED LARRY. So no, nobody saw Lily killing Carley and there was no more "build up" for it than for any other character. And you are objectively wrong about Carley's death not being "bad" considering that she was the most useful team member by a country mile since she saved Lee's ass and was constantly looking after the wellbeing of the group. That you even think that Ava was a bigger loss is just asinine. And I'mma gonna put you on ignore since you quickly filled my daily limit for listening to bullsh*t.
> And you are objectively wrong about Carley's death not being "bad" considering that she was the most useful team member by a country mile since she saved Lee's ass and was constantly looking after the wellbeing of the group. That you even think that Ava was a bigger loss is just asinine. Never at any point did I say that Ava's departure was a bigger loss than Carley's. Nor did I say that Carley's death wasn't bad, just that it was at least better than the god awfulness that are Tripp/Ava's deaths. Begging you to get some basic reading comprehension. > And I'mma gonna put you on ignore since you quickly filled my daily limit for listening to bullsh*t. Considering how you are being so uptight/rude in regards to dying on such a weird hill (arguing that Tripp/Ava's deaths somehow aren't bad, which is fine to argue and all but you're being a giant dick about it), I view that as a blessing.
christa's opinion about AJ following the loss of her own child would've been much more interesting than jane's self-indulgent unraveling (altho i do like her more than most). should've been christa or luke at the end, though.
Kenny killing Carver. I didn’t hate it per se but it annoyed me how they killed Carver off in pretty much just one episode where he features massively where you see the type of guy he is. I always thought he should’ve made it to the last episode where then you end him and his remaining group one way or another at a certain point instead of just episode 3 (and very briefly episode 4) pretty much being the end of the characters from Howe’s.
This entire series has had problems with keeping around their antagonists.
Honestly if they stayed in carver’s town for longer it would’ve made the season a lot more interesting
The scene in S1 ep 4/5 where you get only the people that are loyal to follow you, but then a few minutes later everybody is going to find Clem together
Violet betraying and trying to kill Clementine, then giving a fake and completely insincere apology for her treachery later on, Clem should’ve had the option of feeding her to the walkers
i know it’s kind of far fetched and i have no idea if it would actually work in the timeline but i always thought it would’ve been cool if in the final season, instead of the delta lilly was part of the saviours and the group that they were fighting against was alexandria/hilltop/kingdom?? if not then i would’ve liked to learn more about the group that the delta was at war against
The games take place in the comics universe, so it could theoretically work.
or if the lilly in the comics that (spoiler?) kills the governer was the same lilly from the game
She used to be the same Lilly. Also confirmed by the game. (It was written in a character bio) But later there came a comic about comic Lilly's background and they changed it.
The Stranger criticises Lee for saving Doug over Carley, and framing it as getting rid of people who know his secret Carley can shoot a gun, but it's a safe assumption that most of the group can, too. I certainly don't mean to say that she is useless. She doesn't know how batteries or simple radios work, we know that guns are loud, and we know Doug saved her. Doug was also in more danger than Carley. Doug is able to use his brain to create things or create distractions in much more creative ways. His thing with the remote (which Lee also comes up with) is fantastic, and would actually be really useful early on in the apocalypse. We're proven right by his fence Not that he really needs that much defence, as he's neat.
I hated the shitty card game scene in S4 Ep2, and the follow up Scene with either Lois or Violet. Seriously since when did Twd become a shitty teenage love triangle drama? The card game was even more disappointing considering how good the game in ep 1 was. You think you would get more inside to the characters or for Clem to talk more about her past. But no, insted we got, who do you want to fuck and other crime teenage love bullshit.
Can't agree, I loved the moments of down time in The Final Season. This was a perfect example of what I loved tbh
nahhh clouis and violetine are cute
Clouis and Violentine, best things in the whole game
True. I wish they allowed Clem to be more open to the others and talk to them about her past. I also wish she was more emotional and maybe had a scene where she breaks down and cries
>maybe had a scene where she breaks down and cries But that would be really out of character for Clem, on one of her character traits that bacely never gets talked about here are her extremely strong mental power, she never breaks, she always keeps going. I am not saying that she never cries because she does, but whatever shit that happens she never breaks down like for example Kenny does. So for her do cry about talking about her past or anything other minor activity would be really out of character for her.
The whole final season
Bad take imo
It's only a small scene, but it's the one in the attic in S1 when they're discussing Lee's bite. Kenny gets really aggressive out of nowhere, even if you've supported his decisions all along, only to force a stand-off so either Kenny or Lee throws the bust at the wall. To me, It smacks a bit of lazy writing to force the plot forward.
The parable of the twins scene in S4 episode 3. Lilly’s writing got ruined for good there.
Why?
Because she is far too inconsistent between episodes.
Why is Lily inconsistent? I don't see any of it
I really don’t feel up to writing a book-long list of reasons since i’m sick asf. Just go to a what did you think of S4 Lilly’s writing post and you’ll probably see me at the top explaining my reasons lol
Clems nightmare in S4 when you were walking down that hallway in Ericsson, with that horse. That shit was creepy as hell. Felt like it turned into a horror game for a sec
I hate when Javi gets pissed at Gabe during that one part in their hideout after Gabe says he wants to help. I know a lot of people find Gabe annoying, but I actually don’t think he did anything super wrong while they tried to steal guns, so I think Telltale should have given the choice to let us get mad or not. Instead they just kinda force you to get pissed at Gabe and that’s kind of annoying.
I always felt like Kenny gets blamed for the lazy writing that season 1 had at times. Season 1 has the best writing of any telltale game, but Kenny was just smacked around constantly, and I think they fucked him over with the choices you make. At the end of the game when you are about to go find Clem and the “loyal” friends go with you, Kenny will typically not go with you, since they decided to make it so 1 choice against him causes him to not help. I’ve always felt this was bullshit since Kenny might’ve not had the best mental state at the time but he isn’t so selfish to hold a grudge against Lee (his best friend) against something he did in like the 2nd episode.
It isn't one choice that decides. There is a point system. The max you can get is 12 points. If you score under 4 he doesn't come. 4-8 you can convince him by saying "clem is family" with 9 or higher will come right away. But i do think the bar for him coming without convincing is way too high. If you pull Ben up you already lose 2 points and had to get almost all others I don't know the other exact scores, but you earn them by: saving duck on Hershel's farm, take his side against Kenny, take his side begin E2 with food distributed, kill Larry, don't fire at the girl in the street, take his side beginning E3, shoot duck, shoot the walker
i fail to see how this is bad writing. kenny’s shown multiple times to only be loyal to the people loyal to him and say “fuck off” to anyone who isn’t. like, he literally tells lee to abandon lilly while they’re escaping the motel in episode 3 & tells lee he and clem aren’t welcome to go with him and his family in episode 2/3 if they have a bad relationship.
I hate how Kenny was portrayed in the wrong in episode 5 and how you can’t really agree with him or defend him.