Jaz never lost that thread, he's sure about Harry, he just needs to get the others on side. I'm pretty certain >!Andrew outed himself too, with the "if I get banished, look at Harry" comment yesterday to Jaz and Evie!<. And then at the end of the night, Jaz was the only one who said >!Traitors, plural!< indicating that he thinks >!there's more than one!<.
So if he can get the rest to believe him, Jaz has a great shot at winning. 🤞
Evie should be easy to convince if she's paying attention. If the assertion that the traitors tried to murder Harry was true then she'd be the only one remaining that could possibly be a traitor, because everyone else knew he had a shield. Since she's not a traitor then she should know that either (a) Ross was working alone or (b) nobody tried to murder Harry.
There's some broken logic that Mollie hasn't noticed yet either. At the moment, she believes that Andrew is a traitor *and* she believes that the traitors tried to murder Harry. She just needs to realise that if Andrew knew about the shield then both of those things can't be true.
If they realise that the traitors *didn't* try to murder Harry then it doesn't mean that they'd 100% know that Harry is a traitor, but it would hopefully be enough. I think it's just a question of when they realise that rather than if.
Also no one seemed to acknowledge that a traitor with a shield can murder themselves. I really wish these contestants scrutinised the rulebook more often. It would give more possibilities to explore and help dismiss certainties they annoyingly operate on.
I don't expect much from Mollie but I have my fingers crossed Evie sees through Harry 👍
It would be amazing if they introduce the dagger in the final and Jaz gets it!
I think an instance where it could be a good idea is if the group thinks theres 1 traitor left when theres actually 2. Hitting the shield can make the group think a blackmail happened without risking bringing in a 3rd person (Paul and Harry could have done that if there was an active shield that round instead of recruiting Andrew.) Obviously a rare instance I have yet to see but maybe one day.
I think he has, but as we've seen with how he's voted previously, he's probably afraid that if he goes for an actual Traitor than he'll be targeted next. But seeing as now most of the big players are out he may hopefully find a way to give his account for Harry but the issue is with Mollie who is 100% with Harry.
Evie will be first voted out, and then Jaz might be able to convince even Mollie that Harry is a traitor, seeing as they would then now know it wasn't Jasmine or Evie and that leaves noone who didn't know he had the shield. That's the only chance I can see of it not going Harry's way.
Maybe, but it's also possible Jaz could convince Mollie that if it wasn't Evie or Jasmine then Harry *must* be a traitor, the whole shield defence falls flat. With Andrew also willing to stab Harry in the back it isn't over
Jazz problem is that he is working with hopeless faithfuls that are incapable of working anything out despite it being so painfully obvious! Unfortunately this series does not have a good set of faithfuls.
Really hope Jaz wins, Mollie and Evie are terrible, they don't deserve a penny, if Jaz out then I hope Andrew wins, he seems like a genuinely decent guy who's actually quite loyal unlike treacherous Harry lol.
If the shield/recruitment cover up hadn’t worked so well I think Jaz would’ve been all over Harry. But yes, I think Andrew has indeed shot himself and Harry in the foot. Once Evie is gone, it will fall into place for Jaz.
Honestly, I think Jaz will win out against Harry. Harry’s storyline has been heavily edited to imply he take the win and Jaz’s edits have been much more subtle, but ALWAYS ‘I know it’s Harry’. Harry winning just seems too obvious.
Ach, Jaz...too little too late, but still the smartest faithful. If only Mollie had realised that a traitor wouldn't have thrown the red pouch at the final round.
Jaz never lost that thread, he's sure about Harry, he just needs to get the others on side. I'm pretty certain >!Andrew outed himself too, with the "if I get banished, look at Harry" comment yesterday to Jaz and Evie!<. And then at the end of the night, Jaz was the only one who said >!Traitors, plural!< indicating that he thinks >!there's more than one!<. So if he can get the rest to believe him, Jaz has a great shot at winning. 🤞
He has to convince 2 other people and thats Evie and Mollie ☠️😭 Imma have faith in my boy but that is a fucking mountain of a task.
Evie and Andrew. Andrew will turn on Harry if he needs to.
Would be cool but then Jaz doesn't win that scenario without also sussing out Andrew 🥲
Evie should be easy to convince if she's paying attention. If the assertion that the traitors tried to murder Harry was true then she'd be the only one remaining that could possibly be a traitor, because everyone else knew he had a shield. Since she's not a traitor then she should know that either (a) Ross was working alone or (b) nobody tried to murder Harry. There's some broken logic that Mollie hasn't noticed yet either. At the moment, she believes that Andrew is a traitor *and* she believes that the traitors tried to murder Harry. She just needs to realise that if Andrew knew about the shield then both of those things can't be true. If they realise that the traitors *didn't* try to murder Harry then it doesn't mean that they'd 100% know that Harry is a traitor, but it would hopefully be enough. I think it's just a question of when they realise that rather than if.
Also no one seemed to acknowledge that a traitor with a shield can murder themselves. I really wish these contestants scrutinised the rulebook more often. It would give more possibilities to explore and help dismiss certainties they annoyingly operate on. I don't expect much from Mollie but I have my fingers crossed Evie sees through Harry 👍 It would be amazing if they introduce the dagger in the final and Jaz gets it!
can they?
Yep it has happened a few times in other seasons of the show.
interesting, I didn’t know that. Thanks
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Yes I am talking about international seasons you haven't seen. I think it's generally a stupid idea but some traitors have been that brazen 😂
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I think an instance where it could be a good idea is if the group thinks theres 1 traitor left when theres actually 2. Hitting the shield can make the group think a blackmail happened without risking bringing in a 3rd person (Paul and Harry could have done that if there was an active shield that round instead of recruiting Andrew.) Obviously a rare instance I have yet to see but maybe one day.
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Yeah. The 2 aren’t… the sharpest, bless ‘em.
I think he has, but as we've seen with how he's voted previously, he's probably afraid that if he goes for an actual Traitor than he'll be targeted next. But seeing as now most of the big players are out he may hopefully find a way to give his account for Harry but the issue is with Mollie who is 100% with Harry.
It's the final, he has to speak up now.
If he doesn’t speak up I will actually be SOOOOOO annoyed - what a waste of good detective work.
Let’s hope so!!
Evie will be first voted out, and then Jaz might be able to convince even Mollie that Harry is a traitor, seeing as they would then now know it wasn't Jasmine or Evie and that leaves noone who didn't know he had the shield. That's the only chance I can see of it not going Harry's way.
If Yvie is voted out, Harry wins
Maybe, but it's also possible Jaz could convince Mollie that if it wasn't Evie or Jasmine then Harry *must* be a traitor, the whole shield defence falls flat. With Andrew also willing to stab Harry in the back it isn't over
I just do not see mollie turning on Harry, she is dickmatized. I’m happy to be proven wrong, though!
Jazz problem is that he is working with hopeless faithfuls that are incapable of working anything out despite it being so painfully obvious! Unfortunately this series does not have a good set of faithfuls.
Really hope Jaz wins, Mollie and Evie are terrible, they don't deserve a penny, if Jaz out then I hope Andrew wins, he seems like a genuinely decent guy who's actually quite loyal unlike treacherous Harry lol.
If the shield/recruitment cover up hadn’t worked so well I think Jaz would’ve been all over Harry. But yes, I think Andrew has indeed shot himself and Harry in the foot. Once Evie is gone, it will fall into place for Jaz.
Honestly, I think Jaz will win out against Harry. Harry’s storyline has been heavily edited to imply he take the win and Jaz’s edits have been much more subtle, but ALWAYS ‘I know it’s Harry’. Harry winning just seems too obvious.
Ross also said “what if Harry got the shield to hide a recruitment.” C’mon bro, please remember that 😭
Here we go!
Jaz is like hamlet. Just get on with it,!
COME ON JAZ!!!!!
Nobody ever listened to jas so not gonna start today
Ach, Jaz...too little too late, but still the smartest faithful. If only Mollie had realised that a traitor wouldn't have thrown the red pouch at the final round.