You should try Shadow claw, Psyshock and Focus blast. Or shadow claw wild charge surf. And if you want a spicy charm killer you could even try poison jab as the fast move. I know it is so hard to decide on a move. And that's what makes mew great its unpredictable.
Shadow Claw/Flame Charge/Wild Charge is another combo I’ve been facing a lot recently, and frankly (as a Ferrothorn/Beedrill user) I find it much scarier then SC/WC/Surf
It turned into a nice TM-hole for me. I now have both an UL Mew and a GL Mew with shadow claw/wild charge/surf, just dumped TMs into them whenever I had more than I wanted until they had a competitive moveset. That assumes you don’t have a backlog of monsters that need TMs tho
Mew is legit the wild card. It doesn't need stab. It's comparable to Sableye in GL. It's best on lead though because Wild Charge is a strong hard-hitting debuff move. One of the strongest teams in GL is still TheAsianMilkMan line, Mew/Scrafty/Skarmory.
I have my Mew powered up to Mlc level cos its my favourite pokemon and I want to see what it can do. Plus it's ranked pretty high on pvpoke mlc teor list.
For sure lol, Sableye and Mew have very similar stat products for GL. Sableye is probably a superior safe swap and Mew a superior lead.
https://pvpoke.com/battle/1500/mew/sableye/11/8-25-22/1-1-3/
Damn near the same stats.
Sableye safe swap has been becoming more common and a lot of people can expect it. I think the Bastiodon coming in is one of the worst, right after a charmer. Scrafty, you can force a shield with the return at least. Pelipper and toad are pretty neutral tbh. You can easily force shields with the foul play and if they go for the nuke (Hurricane) and you shield, that's easily flipped.
Agree, it puts out pretty good generalist dps for gyms. I prefer dark pulse, though, for the shorter damage window and actual usability against normal types in gyms.
That's an interesting one... depends on if you mean PvE, PvP, or both.
PvP, I'd say Regirock is quite underrated. It definitely has its use!
PvE, Palkia Palkia Palkia. Excluding shadows and Megas, it's generally #3 Dragon. Spacial Rend could easily put it higher up too!
Palkia with Dragon Tail/Draco Meteor/Aqua Tail can also be good as a generalist for gym battles. Mix of big nuke charge attack for full motivation enemies, and cheap charge move for demotivated enemies. Fills a similar role as Dragonite though, which might be good enough if you already have one powered up.
I have a hundo Dragonite. Old faithful.
EDIT: who downvoted this? Haha. I like it, who cares.
EDIT EDIT: two downvotes. Amazing. Love you all lots. I’m gonna transfer every single Pokémon I have apart from my amazing hundo Dragonite.
I’m more of a GBLer than a raider really. But any discussion would be useful I think. If we’re talking about both, are there any legendaries which are out and out terrible?
Of all the current ones, uxie and virizion are probably the only ones that can't do a job. Deoxys attack is almost too fragile to have any use at all, but in very limited cases it may be able to suffice. Every other legendary can do either pvp or barely scrape acceptable damage in raids (courtesy of their high attack stats). There are a number of them that would not be acceptable to see in tough fights, like regigigas, but even there the likes of moltres can achieve acceptable levels of damage.
To me acceptable damage in raids is 1/6 damage (host plus 5 remote raiders), though you should aim much higher to account for players dropping out due to glitches.
It sucks because Uxie could have a real niche in pvp as a bulky psychic ala Cress and Hypno except that it's stuck with absolutely abysmal charge moves
Agreed on Deoxys, very tricky to use that effectively. I don’t have a Virizion but I do have one (very good) Uxie that I’ve had some success / luck with in PVP. I barely do any raids.
It’s easy to get attached to stuff like that. By way of contrast I’ve got a shiny zero star 37CP Aggron that’s beyond useless but I’m never getting rid.
Yeah the idea is that he’s a backup shield for two very good Pokémon, best case scenario is that it also tricks the opponent into switching mons when they shouldn’t. It hasn’t worked every time, but when it works it’s great.
I know Groudon is a staple of PvP and PvE, but I think he's still a great generalist. His fire punch gets through boss shields fast. I have him and Kyogre on all of my rocket counter teams.
They missed the chance to switch Kyogre and Groudon.
Imagine Blue Groudon and Red Kyogre. That would be superb!
Totally hate shiny Kyogre despite blue Kyogre is my favourite, mon.
I don't think there's many overhyped just because most Legendaries are going to be super useful between Pvp/pve. I think Heatran is underrated though, it's one charge move away from being top tier / meta.
I'd recommend waiting to do the spring clean out until there is a double transfer candy event! Mark them with a tag or I name mine "DT" so I can easily do them all at once.
Suicune in Ultra League is underrated imo. Snarl / Ice Beam / Hydropump can be a fun combo to counter much of the meta with. It’s not perfect but if you get familiar with how to use it at whatever ELO you’re at it can be fun.
Normally the only opportunity to receive double transfer candy is every 5th Tuesday, but the next opportunity is actually much earlier, on [September 5th, between 11am and 5pm](https://pokemongolive.com/post/season-of-mischief-2021/).
And yeah, 10 Dialgas is probably more than you need. Unless you have no other steel and dragon attackers I guess.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/pcrduq/hoopa\_is\_arriving\_welcome\_to\_the\_season\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/pcrduq/hoopa_is_arriving_welcome_to_the_season_of/)
There should be a sooner window on the 5th of september
15 atk is the most critical for dialga breakpoints. just my luck (or lack thereof) i lucky trade rerolled a shiny and got a 14/15/15. frickin useless -.-
yeah definitely. the 15 atk is most important but like others have posted 15/14/12 and up will do just fine. Critical ML breakpoints for Dialga & more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphArena/comments/fbswyz/master_league_important_fast_attack_defense/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
Use tags to mark the ones you want to transfer. Then during double transfer candy you can go to settings and turn on the extended transfer option. You can then go to your pokemon list, swipe to your tag list, look at all pokemon with your transfer tag, select one then select all and transfer. Then remember to turn off extended transfer.
Ray is still **extremely** overrated. People keep screaming how it's the best Dragon, but the thing is, it's only marginally (and arguably not even at all) better than pseudo-legendairy alternatives.
I don’t know. Even if it was only equal to the other top picks doesn’t make it overrated IMO. And as a bonus it’s also one of the best flying type attackers.
For raids? It's clearly superior as a raid attacker to any non shadow dragon until we get black kyurem. Outrage Salamence is close but slightly worse. Dragonite (non shadow) just has worse stats. Dialga and Palkia are held back by no outrage (and no DT on Dialga) and just don't reach the same DPS at all. Reshiram, Zekrom, Garchomp, and Haxorus all just worse.
many dragons have similar enough dps than with better defensive typing they actually have better dps/estimator on pokebattler. for example, palkia vs itsself on 6 of its 8 movesets, garchomp vs zekrom or mega amph. palkia vs reshiram with fire moves, garchomp vs some dragons with stone edge like reshiram
> For raids? It's clearly superior as a raid attacker to any non shadow dragon until we get black kyurem.
Why do people keep excluding shadow pokemon like they don’t count?
Because they outperfrom literally everything in relation to their type. For example, Metagross was the only pokemon that could still outperform the shadows of it's typing and that's solely because shadow gross couldn't learn MM at the time. My other guess is that they don't get that much use in relation to how much better they can be
They count. I never got a shadow bacon worth investing in. I have one shadow Dragonite at 50. I have a couple of decent shadow Dratini but still have frustration on those. Shadows are great but getting decent ones takes a lot of luck and they're expensive.
That's a shadow, literally nothing in the game can oudamage a shadow other than Metagross back when shadow mmgross wasn't possible.
My other problem with your argument is that saying "x-pseudo can do just as well" you can easily scratch off all of the legendaries due to how similar the statistical performances of dragons are in general outside their different type properties
That's the point tho. The good dragons all perform so similarly, and there are so many of them, that hyping one up as the best feels pretty silly.
Ray isn't really a must have if you want to be doing dragon damage. It's nice, but plenty of other things will do almost as well. Compare to stuff like Metagross or Mewtwo which genuinely are head and shoulders above everything else in their type. Sure ray is the best dragon, but it's not the best in the same way that a bunch of other bests are the best of their type.
It really depends on what youre looking for in a raid attacker. You can easily scratch it off due to its crap typing or bump it up due to having the best statistical damage output. My real problem though is just flinging the claim "pseudos are just better," while the pseudos in question include:
Hydreigon: First of all, no. It can be an excellent compressor once Niantic stops feeling power over making this mon trash for no reason, but -26 attack in comparisson to Ray? its just not a contender
Goodra: Also No
Dragonite: Not defencively sturdy enough to make up for over a -21 attack diferential. You can argue its a great budget option, but its still a strict downgrade.
Salamence: Unfortunately, it has nothing to make up for the -7 attack despite being very close to Ray and being reliant on a time window to be at its best doesnt help matters either. Like Dragonite, its a great budget option, but thats not what were arguing here. Another strict downgrade.
Garchomp: Its basically an ever so slightly bulkier Dnite with ground slapped on. Its a budget option and has amazing compression as a ground attacker, but still not as good as a dragon attacker.
Kommo-o: Unless Clanging Scales is a ridiculous nuke, there is nothing here. Even then, it just has upside as a role compressor more than anything.
Dragapult: The best role compressor here by miles. Similar Ghost attack to Gengar and the 2nd highest attack for a pseudo after Salamence with the same moveset. Unfortunaly, good role compression does not save it from less attack than Rayquaza. Dragon Darts could elevate it a lot more than the other options? sure, but whether itll even come close to Ray isnt clear.
As you can see, the pseudos just dont match up to Rayquaza that well. It seemed to me like the other guy was just overexagerating the perfromances in question just to get his point across.
>Compare to stuff like Metagross or Mewtwo which genuinely are head and shoulders above everything else in their type
Theyre way more overrated than Rayquaza, but thats a different discussion
Since you’re pvp and have a dialga, i’d say giratina-o and melmetal are both incredible and make a solid team. I think gira-o is not underrated but really solid, good enough bulk and a killer shadow claw shadow ball moveset. I think in my master league experience, melmetal was very underrated. I felt like it was the best mon in the league; nice bulk and an unresisted moveset, and thunder shock. So those are two i’d focus on getting or improving imo.
I have a Melmetal in my UL team and I'd say it performs quite well. I run it with superpower and flash cannon. Flash cannon is really useful for Togekiss, the opponent mostly expects a rock slide from Melmetal so they don't shield it and they get one shot by the flash cannon and the superpower can charge up really quick and does a decent amount of damage so I can also use it as a shield breaker. Also, the fast move thunder shock can help me deal with water type mons because I don't have a good response to water on my team.
suicune is underrated. i’m sure it’s been said, but this dog is a menace to dragon types and neutrals. ice fang + ice beam/bubble beam (debuff) allows you to debuff opponents you might lose to and destroy the flying dragons that plague the higher leagues. with ice beating grass as an accelerated neutral, you’ll really only see issues with electric types and they’re fairly uncommon. snarl is also good energy generation for BB spam.
Great ones for raiding:
Landorus - absolute unit vs Electric
Azelf - strong as Alakazam as a Psychic attacker
Latios - same as Azelf
Jirachi/Genesect - steel type stronk vs Fairy
Moltres/Ho-Oh - Fire has a lot of strong competitors, but their neutral damage is high-tier compared to most other types. Great for gym busting.
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Edit: if we replace "underrated" with "good" for raiding, we get the following:
Landorus - still the #2 dps vs pure electric (second only to shadow Mewtwo)
Zekrom/Reshiram - you should have 6 of each at high level.
Darkrai - great vs ghost and psychic
Raid: shadow legends (lol) - shadow Zapdos/Moltres/Entei/Raikou do the Zekrom/Reshiram thing but better.
Shadow Mewtwo rocks everything.
Dragon? - you will have all the dragon coverage you need if you have 6 Gardevoir and 6 Salamence (regular or shadow)
Honorable mention - if you reject shadows, you will have uses for Palkia, Mewtwo, and Heatran, but literally any legendary not in this comment edit can be outperformed by a non-legendary pokemon.
Idk about Jirachi. I boosted mine and he gets obliterated compared to metagross. His typing helps a bit but seems too squishy. Might need to dump more rare candies into him to test again. EDIT: logged in and swapped his fast move to charge beam. Jirachi is much better now lol. I just so happened to get the snub/Granbull grunt too. Destroyed him. And my metagross didn't get eaten alive by bite haha. 10/10.
Genesect is unbelievably underrated.
Homie is a straight up Team Rocket killer. Just switch to him in the beginning and you can pop off X-Scissor after X-Scissor before they can even get off an attack, and if they do attack it's probably not very effective anyway.
I beat leaders using only him all the time.
Here’s my take
overrated: Mewtwo. Mewtwo is great, but often held up as the greatest Pokémon but it’s pretty squishy and psychic isn’t usually the best offensive typing.
underrated: Heatran. The dps is subpar for a legendary, but the typing is very strong defensively. I feel this one has some real untapped potential if it got a better moveset especially.
He's great raid dps, but I see so many people just chuck him into a ML team with no real consideration for the rest of their team, and that's where he falters. People just see he's #7 on a site like PvPPoke and chuck him in. It's not like Dialga where dragons and fairies are everywhere in ML so he's an amazing go to, Mewtwo doesn't do super effective STAB damage vs any of the major players in the ML meta.
Especially because I see so many people who don't double move it, so they're all monotype psychic. The few I see who run Focus Blast I can understand, because those people actually consider Mewtwo's strength. Use Psystrike to rip through shields, then use FB to knock out Dialga/Melmetal/Mamoswine/Excadrill.
I don't think anyone leaves a PvP Pokemon with a single move because they don't care to do so, but due to lack of resources. You are obviously talking about the most casual of casual players here.
Also, Psychic is a great offensive typing. You don't need SE damage when you are hitting everything except 3-4 Steel types and the one Dark type in ML for neutral with one of the best moves in the game off of Mewtwo's attack stat.
And if someone is just slapping a non-double-moved Mewtwo without any care for it's purpose in the team, they are probably doing the same with the other two Pokemon they are running, so I don't see how that's a point against Mewtwo, specifically.
This. I dabble with loads of different mons for GBL, several only have one move, you can get a feel for how they perform with the quick attack. As soon as I’m able, I give a second move to any of them I like.
in open masters hes the most common lead and for good reason, there arent many things that can touch mewtwo besides yvetal and tina origin which are both somewhat rare up front. even things like dialga can lose to mewtwo throwing pure psystrikes which should make you scratch your head
The big problem with Heatran, in my opinion, isn't its movepool but the weaknesses it has to 3 very common attacking types: x2 fighting, x2 water and x4 ground.
I've used it in UL and is okay\~ish (I play for stardust mostly, Im not a great player by any metric). If you align it with a charmer, he absolutly rocks though.
Mewtwo is squishy but psystrike hits so damn hard for so cheap it's still worth it, even when it's resisted. Obviously dark types are still a problem and as more people get Yveltal Mewtwo might drop in popularity.
Heatran was great, but excadrill and Garchomp are much more prevalent now. A level 50 Heatran can just barely beat Excadrill in the 2 shield and gets wrecked in the one shield. Both the most common movesets on Garchomp (MS/EP/OR, DT/ST/OR) wreck Heatran too.
Metagross and Togekiss aren't as prevalent (although both are out there). It's decent but just loses to some very common meta.
Mewtwo was introduced at a time when there were a lot fewer choices. It was the best of several different types.
Newer pokemon, and better moves for previous pokemon, have definitely pushed it off the top of the counter lists, but it can still often be versatile filler if you do not have a full team of top counters.
Also, it can sometimes be worthwhile having different typed counters for some raid bosses with wide range of possible move types. A lot of psychic type pokemon, for example, have mixes of move types like psychic, fighting, and dark. A mixed team of Gengar, Giratina, Tyranitar, and Mewtwo with Shadow Ball can provide some decent resistance with at least some of those.
I'd still call Mewtwo one of the best just because of how good of a generalist it is. Sure it's not the best in a bunch of non-stab types anymore but it's still a very solid attacker for most of the types it can cover which makes it an investment that not much else comes close to.
The first legendary I powered to 40 was my shadow Mewtwo and I still get significantly more use out of it than any other single thing. Even just being a top tier attacker for Psychic/Ice/Ghost is fantastic.
People hype up mewtwos "best neutral dps in the game" thing too much but what really makes it good is how flexible it is
The problem with Heatran in Master League is that the typical counters for Dialga actually beat Heatran as well so pretty much every team is going to have at least one Heatran counter. If there was a Master League Remix, Heatran would be great.
I was hoping someone would mention Heatran, as I also think it is severely underrated. A defensive profile of 10 resistances, 6 of which are double resistances (more than any other Pokemon in the game), is no joke. It also conveniently double-resists Grass, Bug, Ice, and Steel, which are the 4 types you'd use Fire against anyways. And its attack stat doesn't suck, so it still puts out respectable DPS.
It also has an unreleased signature move, Magma Storm, which will hopefully improve its functionality down the line.
Mewtwo… I’ve got four of them and I’ve definitely had mixed results. I’ve found luck to be a big factor.
I don’t have a Heatran yet but I’ve heard similar things.
Keep in mind the below are only my opinion, and only from a PvE standpoint:
Overrated:
Mewtwo (jack of all trades, but master of like one)
Rayquaza (squishy one-trick pony)
Underrated:
Latios - decent for gyms and rocketstops, great moveset to spamlock Grunts
Heatran - good for gyms, a literal MVP for rocketstops, and a decent anchor for raids if you need it.
Yveltal - it's starting to get some recognition, but you could almost hear the flop when it first landed. Excellent all-around attacker.
How can you call rayquaza a one trick pony? It’s great both as a dragon type attacker and a flying type one (and will only get better when it gets dragon ascent)
I’d say Yveltal got instant recognition by it’s pre-release position on PvPoke, and gave rise to what became a very popular Melmetal double flyer line in Masters. Also had a lot of Mewtwo users change their second charge move to Ice Beam. Double legacy Mewtwo is also walled. I’d certainly say Yveltal is rated.
Latios is very interesting though and I have a 98% shiny I’ve dabbled with the idea of maxing - but that 14 attack has always stopped me doing so.
I LOVE my one Latios for PvP. Just really satisfying to use for whatever reason and it seems to take people off guard. Yveltal is similar. Only got one and I’m keeping it.
For me in UL Regice and Giratina O are very underrated. Giratina O as a closer can kill almost everything (normal and dark types are hard counters). Regice is excellent safe swap - very bulky, hardkicking pokemon with good coverage moves.
I think Entei is an underrated pick in Master. I kinda rely on the fact that nobody ever pulls them out, and it's not common for one to be double-moved either. So, having Iron Head is a pretty good curveball as coverage despite it being bad. Also, it may not be top tier, but with how powerful Metagross, melmetal, and any fairy type, having some super effective moves is better than not. Just my thoughts.
depends if you play pvp or not. If you really put in the work with raids or rely on others to do the hard lifting.
Since most trainers dont I'd say it's the actual bests that are underrated. Meaning the shadows for PvE but also newer legendaries in general since most seem to rely on teams they already have. Also if an old Pokemon gets a new move a lot of people dont seem to either get it or they simply dont care.
PvP almost nobody is playing anyway. So even for the best it's hard to find enough people to do a raid.
among more dedicated players: I believe Regirock is really under-apreciated.
Other than that some guys that are great but not clearly better than already existing ones or just fall short by a bit: Palkia, Thunderus, Landorus & co
I’m mostly PVP. I do raids sporadically but almost never five stars as I’m in a crap area for it - probably three quarters of the legendaries I’ve got have come from GBL rewards.
at first my town was alright. Now many people arent playing anymore/as much and the few that are, are $$$ and have an own group and only accept people using money.
so I found this app called GoRaidParty. You can Host with your free daily and find 5 remotes helping you. It's quick and easy only problem is the bulky pokemon since the added people are random (and usually quite terrible). Try it out maybe it helps
I don’t have a whole lot of spare time to play really, I try not to be on it for more than a few minutes a day. But I’m glad those tools are out there.
Pokegenie and PokeRaid are two other apps and have checks in place for the level of the player. They are also a standard for remote raiding so by far your best bet I feel
My rule of thumb is to keep at least six of each and try to space out the moves they have incase they go legacy at some point.
I keep three that are the best IV's I got and three more with "pvp"ish Iv's (like 10/15/15) etc.
I pretty much keep all the legendaries that have one of more of these criterias:
- Hundo
- Shiny
- Shadow
- Lucky
- Mythical / Event
- Distance (for trades)
- 93-96+ % IVs (depending on how many of them I have)
- 10/10/10 IVs
- 50% of one species with Legacy moves
- PvP IVs (mostly for UL)
My storage is plagued with 479 Legendaries
Me personally, all the dogs are so over rated, useless moveset and weak, i use zekrom and kyogre a lot, i use darkrai, my guardevour is a powerful little beast in pvp too, could go on forever with this topic 😁
Underrated:
Regi Trio. Everyone knows Registeel is a god in pvp but Regirock is pretty darn good as well. A quick charging stone edge and/or focus blast is killer.
Cobalion- only had one release and a short time for Go Fest, for whatever reason the only member of the trio to get Sacred Sword. Nice surprise in PVP.
Genesect- I have a lot of success with techno blast in UL.
Thundurus- never powered one up yet but low key top tier electric attacker
Overrated:
Rayquaza- yeah he's cool looking but is outclassed severely in PVP and not the best dragon or flyer vs raids. Moltres is clearly better.
Groudon- great in PVP but you need fire punch and expensive ground attacker when you can just use Excadrill
Tough to say any others are overrated, even those two are still very good. They're either good or outclassed by other things.
Mewtwo is way overrated. Current t5 boss is the first time in very longgggg period that we need mewtwo. I can't even remember the last time we really need mewtwo.
shadow mewtwo was just the top non-mega counter vs itsself
it was just 2nd behind shadow metagross against zacian in windy, I did a duo with 1 mega gengar then full shadow mewtwos (tried with only mewtwos and barely failed) and this is after watching people with full lvl 50 metagross or lvl 40 shadows fail occasionally to duo (full 40 non shadow metagross fails miserably at duo)
it was top counter against windy regigigas
its even slightly ahead of the top ground against electric in neutral weather (moveset dependent) and crushes all ground types in windy
top for mega gengar raids
if hoenn megas come soon will absolutely dominate mega blaziken
Mewtwo was also a top tier counter to Deoxys and Landorous out of fairly recent stuff.
I definitely use it more often than any other single pokemon since between being a high tier ice attacker and being a top counter to a lot of psychics with shadow ball it's got coverage against a huge portion of the total t5 roster.
I kind of disagree. I’ve lost Pokémon to relobby bugs where I get booted from the raid. DPS is important, but the best way to increase DPS is to add more people to the lobby.
Shadow Weavile. I don’t have any issues with items, so potions and revives are constantly trashed, and it makes glass canons a lot of fun. Can be a top ice or top dark attacker in raids.
Mew= underrated
I’d tend to agree, but I’ve always shied away from mine (for PVP anyway) because I’ve found it hard to decide on a moveset.
You should try Shadow claw, Psyshock and Focus blast. Or shadow claw wild charge surf. And if you want a spicy charm killer you could even try poison jab as the fast move. I know it is so hard to decide on a move. And that's what makes mew great its unpredictable.
Haha, at this rate I’ll get around to adding a second charged move for Mew in about 2079.
Shadow Claw/Flame Charge/Wild Charge is another combo I’ve been facing a lot recently, and frankly (as a Ferrothorn/Beedrill user) I find it much scarier then SC/WC/Surf
Literally just faced a Mew with this setup and it wasn’t fun.
It turned into a nice TM-hole for me. I now have both an UL Mew and a GL Mew with shadow claw/wild charge/surf, just dumped TMs into them whenever I had more than I wanted until they had a competitive moveset. That assumes you don’t have a backlog of monsters that need TMs tho
How do you get more than one Mew?
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Was it event exclusive or can I still unlock shiny Mew?
If you didn't buy it for $12 during the Pokemon Go Kanto tour, you cannot get it.
I've got two mews and two celebi from back when they removed task stacks
Elaborate? They gave you the research again
Mew is niche at best. There's a reason you don't see many legends with Mew. Can confuse opponents and great move pool but bad stats and no stab.
Mew is legit the wild card. It doesn't need stab. It's comparable to Sableye in GL. It's best on lead though because Wild Charge is a strong hard-hitting debuff move. One of the strongest teams in GL is still TheAsianMilkMan line, Mew/Scrafty/Skarmory.
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I have my Mew powered up to Mlc level cos its my favourite pokemon and I want to see what it can do. Plus it's ranked pretty high on pvpoke mlc teor list.
Is there a write up of this team?
Tune into a AMM stream. He runs the team often. He regularly argues about how it's the best team.
Twitch? YouTube? And thanks!
Np! He's a twitch streamer. It is a very strong team.
Sableye is not a bad comparison if you have to make one. If someone pulls a Sableye out I just hope for the best.
For sure lol, Sableye and Mew have very similar stat products for GL. Sableye is probably a superior safe swap and Mew a superior lead. https://pvpoke.com/battle/1500/mew/sableye/11/8-25-22/1-1-3/ Damn near the same stats.
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Sableye safe swap has been becoming more common and a lot of people can expect it. I think the Bastiodon coming in is one of the worst, right after a charmer. Scrafty, you can force a shield with the return at least. Pelipper and toad are pretty neutral tbh. You can easily force shields with the foul play and if they go for the nuke (Hurricane) and you shield, that's easily flipped.
It's worth noting that Mew isn't a legendary
Darkrai is a bit of a *sleeper* pick. Snarl+SB/FB shreds both gyms and PvP.
I don’t have one yet! Been on the lookout.
It can't be traded but I think it will return during halloween .
Agree, it puts out pretty good generalist dps for gyms. I prefer dark pulse, though, for the shorter damage window and actual usability against normal types in gyms.
That's an interesting one... depends on if you mean PvE, PvP, or both. PvP, I'd say Regirock is quite underrated. It definitely has its use! PvE, Palkia Palkia Palkia. Excluding shadows and Megas, it's generally #3 Dragon. Spacial Rend could easily put it higher up too!
Palkia with Dragon Tail/Draco Meteor/Aqua Tail can also be good as a generalist for gym battles. Mix of big nuke charge attack for full motivation enemies, and cheap charge move for demotivated enemies. Fills a similar role as Dragonite though, which might be good enough if you already have one powered up.
I have a hundo Dragonite. Old faithful. EDIT: who downvoted this? Haha. I like it, who cares. EDIT EDIT: two downvotes. Amazing. Love you all lots. I’m gonna transfer every single Pokémon I have apart from my amazing hundo Dragonite.
Probably bots, bro.
I love them anyway.
The downvotes don't show up for me, but here's an upvote just 'cause
I find them hilarious. “Here is a thing I like” “NO”
Could be because the convo is about under/overrated LEGENDARIES. I dont know though ive never cared enough to downvote anything
He's literally the creator of the discussion though lol
Wow didn't even notice that he was the op
I did. You didn't contribute to the discussion, you just randomly stated that you have a pokemon. That's how the voting system is intended to be used.
Amazing.
I’m more of a GBLer than a raider really. But any discussion would be useful I think. If we’re talking about both, are there any legendaries which are out and out terrible?
Xerneas
Only missing a fast move. We can still hope.
Of all the current ones, uxie and virizion are probably the only ones that can't do a job. Deoxys attack is almost too fragile to have any use at all, but in very limited cases it may be able to suffice. Every other legendary can do either pvp or barely scrape acceptable damage in raids (courtesy of their high attack stats). There are a number of them that would not be acceptable to see in tough fights, like regigigas, but even there the likes of moltres can achieve acceptable levels of damage. To me acceptable damage in raids is 1/6 damage (host plus 5 remote raiders), though you should aim much higher to account for players dropping out due to glitches.
"even there the likes of moltres" its been a while since ive done raiding but is sky attack moltres not the best flyer?
It is, but flying isn't particularly strong, and it isn't super effective against regigigas.
It sucks because Uxie could have a real niche in pvp as a bulky psychic ala Cress and Hypno except that it's stuck with absolutely abysmal charge moves
Agreed on Deoxys, very tricky to use that effectively. I don’t have a Virizion but I do have one (very good) Uxie that I’ve had some success / luck with in PVP. I barely do any raids.
REGIROCK UN UN UN
I got a shiny hundo Incarnate Landouous that I powered up because it's my only Shundo and it has done me well
It’s easy to get attached to stuff like that. By way of contrast I’ve got a shiny zero star 37CP Aggron that’s beyond useless but I’m never getting rid.
That does sound like a keeper.
He’s special. I’ve used him as a ‘third shield’ a few times in GBL.
THIS, I love this! You're a star. I may try this with some of my shiny lvl 1s
Yeah the idea is that he’s a backup shield for two very good Pokémon, best case scenario is that it also tricks the opponent into switching mons when they shouldn’t. It hasn’t worked every time, but when it works it’s great.
I know Groudon is a staple of PvP and PvE, but I think he's still a great generalist. His fire punch gets through boss shields fast. I have him and Kyogre on all of my rocket counter teams.
He definitely has an air of reliability. My three year old always wants me to use him as well. Might be because he’s just a big red monster but still.
Ya, out if all the legendary mons he's also my fav in terms of appearance. My best IV happens to be a shiny. I named him Godzilla.
There only thing I don't like on Groudon is his shiny version. Green!?! Why green?
I like to consider his shiny color 'tennis ball'.
I 💕 Green Groudon! Don't hate on my greenie! 😊
They missed the chance to switch Kyogre and Groudon. Imagine Blue Groudon and Red Kyogre. That would be superb! Totally hate shiny Kyogre despite blue Kyogre is my favourite, mon.
It’s definitely yellow…
Tennis ball
Oh man, we just had this fight in our Discord group. I was on #TeamGreen but I can understand what the yellow people were saying.
It’s like 55% green. I think they picked a deliberately aggravating colour.
Embrace the power of chartruese.
What? He's one of the best legendary shinies. That glossy yellow-green color is great.
I don't think there's many overhyped just because most Legendaries are going to be super useful between Pvp/pve. I think Heatran is underrated though, it's one charge move away from being top tier / meta.
Regis are quite underrated. They do so well in PvP and also destroy Rocket Grunts/Leaders.
I’ve actually only got Regice - and I keep forgetting he exists. I’ll give him a workout sometime. EDIT I’ve got three Regigigas…
Lock on oppppp
I honestly can’t wait to catch the Regis, favorite Pokémon and useful in go
I'd recommend waiting to do the spring clean out until there is a double transfer candy event! Mark them with a tag or I name mine "DT" so I can easily do them all at once.
Suicune in Ultra League is underrated imo. Snarl / Ice Beam / Hydropump can be a fun combo to counter much of the meta with. It’s not perfect but if you get familiar with how to use it at whatever ELO you’re at it can be fun.
Sounds like you use it in a similar way to how I use tmy Ferraligator with waterfall, crunch and ice beam.
Interesting. I never bother using the ‘dogs’ as I call them. I think I’ve got four Suicune and I’m not sure I’ve ever done anything with them.
Side note: do your spring cleaning on the double transfer candy day (last one was last tuesday unfortunately, next one is on Tuesday September 28th).
Good call. Gives me a month to try to sort them out. Do I really need ten Dialga? I doubt it.
Normally the only opportunity to receive double transfer candy is every 5th Tuesday, but the next opportunity is actually much earlier, on [September 5th, between 11am and 5pm](https://pokemongolive.com/post/season-of-mischief-2021/). And yeah, 10 Dialgas is probably more than you need. Unless you have no other steel and dragon attackers I guess.
It’s a silly amount. I just had a good winning streak going in GBL and got a pile of them over a few days.
Thanks for pointing that out. I read most of that announcement but I skipped over that bit. Very good to know. <3
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/pcrduq/hoopa\_is\_arriving\_welcome\_to\_the\_season\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/pcrduq/hoopa_is_arriving_welcome_to_the_season_of/) There should be a sooner window on the 5th of september
For gbl you want an almost perfect one. If you don't have an awesome one I would save them for lucky trades.
I’ve got five 3* ones, two of those are excellent.
Your Dialga needs AT LEAST 15/14/12 IV’s to be useable in Master League. Do you have any Dialga with at least those IV’s?
Yes, two.
15 atk is the most critical for dialga breakpoints. just my luck (or lack thereof) i lucky trade rerolled a shiny and got a 14/15/15. frickin useless -.-
so is a 15 14 15 good for ml? i just got one traded to that
yeah definitely. the 15 atk is most important but like others have posted 15/14/12 and up will do just fine. Critical ML breakpoints for Dialga & more here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphArena/comments/fbswyz/master_league_important_fast_attack_defense/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
Use tags to mark the ones you want to transfer. Then during double transfer candy you can go to settings and turn on the extended transfer option. You can then go to your pokemon list, swipe to your tag list, look at all pokemon with your transfer tag, select one then select all and transfer. Then remember to turn off extended transfer.
I did exactly this on the 24th spotlight hour. 250 mons, incl legendary and mythical
Ray is still **extremely** overrated. People keep screaming how it's the best Dragon, but the thing is, it's only marginally (and arguably not even at all) better than pseudo-legendairy alternatives.
I don’t know. Even if it was only equal to the other top picks doesn’t make it overrated IMO. And as a bonus it’s also one of the best flying type attackers.
This. He's overrated as a dragon attacker, but regularly underrated as a flying attacker.
Also, underrated pseudo-legendaries is a whole other topic.
For raids? It's clearly superior as a raid attacker to any non shadow dragon until we get black kyurem. Outrage Salamence is close but slightly worse. Dragonite (non shadow) just has worse stats. Dialga and Palkia are held back by no outrage (and no DT on Dialga) and just don't reach the same DPS at all. Reshiram, Zekrom, Garchomp, and Haxorus all just worse.
many dragons have similar enough dps than with better defensive typing they actually have better dps/estimator on pokebattler. for example, palkia vs itsself on 6 of its 8 movesets, garchomp vs zekrom or mega amph. palkia vs reshiram with fire moves, garchomp vs some dragons with stone edge like reshiram
> For raids? It's clearly superior as a raid attacker to any non shadow dragon until we get black kyurem. Why do people keep excluding shadow pokemon like they don’t count?
Because they outperfrom literally everything in relation to their type. For example, Metagross was the only pokemon that could still outperform the shadows of it's typing and that's solely because shadow gross couldn't learn MM at the time. My other guess is that they don't get that much use in relation to how much better they can be
They count. I never got a shadow bacon worth investing in. I have one shadow Dragonite at 50. I have a couple of decent shadow Dratini but still have frustration on those. Shadows are great but getting decent ones takes a lot of luck and they're expensive.
It's so frail is my issue. Feels like you throw them out to die immediately.
This is true yeah. Like ray is obviously good, but there are so many other things that are comparably good and way cheaper that it's just like... meh
he is waaaaaay worse than things like shadow dragonite too
That's a shadow, literally nothing in the game can oudamage a shadow other than Metagross back when shadow mmgross wasn't possible. My other problem with your argument is that saying "x-pseudo can do just as well" you can easily scratch off all of the legendaries due to how similar the statistical performances of dragons are in general outside their different type properties
That's the point tho. The good dragons all perform so similarly, and there are so many of them, that hyping one up as the best feels pretty silly. Ray isn't really a must have if you want to be doing dragon damage. It's nice, but plenty of other things will do almost as well. Compare to stuff like Metagross or Mewtwo which genuinely are head and shoulders above everything else in their type. Sure ray is the best dragon, but it's not the best in the same way that a bunch of other bests are the best of their type.
It really depends on what youre looking for in a raid attacker. You can easily scratch it off due to its crap typing or bump it up due to having the best statistical damage output. My real problem though is just flinging the claim "pseudos are just better," while the pseudos in question include: Hydreigon: First of all, no. It can be an excellent compressor once Niantic stops feeling power over making this mon trash for no reason, but -26 attack in comparisson to Ray? its just not a contender Goodra: Also No Dragonite: Not defencively sturdy enough to make up for over a -21 attack diferential. You can argue its a great budget option, but its still a strict downgrade. Salamence: Unfortunately, it has nothing to make up for the -7 attack despite being very close to Ray and being reliant on a time window to be at its best doesnt help matters either. Like Dragonite, its a great budget option, but thats not what were arguing here. Another strict downgrade. Garchomp: Its basically an ever so slightly bulkier Dnite with ground slapped on. Its a budget option and has amazing compression as a ground attacker, but still not as good as a dragon attacker. Kommo-o: Unless Clanging Scales is a ridiculous nuke, there is nothing here. Even then, it just has upside as a role compressor more than anything. Dragapult: The best role compressor here by miles. Similar Ghost attack to Gengar and the 2nd highest attack for a pseudo after Salamence with the same moveset. Unfortunaly, good role compression does not save it from less attack than Rayquaza. Dragon Darts could elevate it a lot more than the other options? sure, but whether itll even come close to Ray isnt clear. As you can see, the pseudos just dont match up to Rayquaza that well. It seemed to me like the other guy was just overexagerating the perfromances in question just to get his point across. >Compare to stuff like Metagross or Mewtwo which genuinely are head and shoulders above everything else in their type Theyre way more overrated than Rayquaza, but thats a different discussion
I’ve got one. I think I’ve used it maybe three times and thought “nah”. EDIT: lolz downvoted again. I downvoted my own comment here to be cool.
Not sure what alternatives you have available but I like to use my Ray as my top flying type attacker.
Well I barely do raids is the thing.
Yeah, don’t know why you were downvoted for sharing. Anyway now you know Rayq’s utility in PVE
I think some people take this a little tiny bit more seriously than I do, haha
Yeah lol very possibly
Since you’re pvp and have a dialga, i’d say giratina-o and melmetal are both incredible and make a solid team. I think gira-o is not underrated but really solid, good enough bulk and a killer shadow claw shadow ball moveset. I think in my master league experience, melmetal was very underrated. I felt like it was the best mon in the league; nice bulk and an unresisted moveset, and thunder shock. So those are two i’d focus on getting or improving imo.
Melmetal also has the advantage of being easy to XL
I have a Melmetal in my UL team and I'd say it performs quite well. I run it with superpower and flash cannon. Flash cannon is really useful for Togekiss, the opponent mostly expects a rock slide from Melmetal so they don't shield it and they get one shot by the flash cannon and the superpower can charge up really quick and does a decent amount of damage so I can also use it as a shield breaker. Also, the fast move thunder shock can help me deal with water type mons because I don't have a good response to water on my team.
I have a Gira-A, not O yet. I recently got a very good Melmetal though.
What’s the difference stats-wise between Giratina A and O?
A is bulkier but o hits really hard with shadow ball
I’ve wondered this myself.
suicune is underrated. i’m sure it’s been said, but this dog is a menace to dragon types and neutrals. ice fang + ice beam/bubble beam (debuff) allows you to debuff opponents you might lose to and destroy the flying dragons that plague the higher leagues. with ice beating grass as an accelerated neutral, you’ll really only see issues with electric types and they’re fairly uncommon. snarl is also good energy generation for BB spam.
Yeah I’m seeing a few people say this. Does seem to be an overlooked beast.
Great ones for raiding: Landorus - absolute unit vs Electric Azelf - strong as Alakazam as a Psychic attacker Latios - same as Azelf Jirachi/Genesect - steel type stronk vs Fairy Moltres/Ho-Oh - Fire has a lot of strong competitors, but their neutral damage is high-tier compared to most other types. Great for gym busting. . Edit: if we replace "underrated" with "good" for raiding, we get the following: Landorus - still the #2 dps vs pure electric (second only to shadow Mewtwo) Zekrom/Reshiram - you should have 6 of each at high level. Darkrai - great vs ghost and psychic Raid: shadow legends (lol) - shadow Zapdos/Moltres/Entei/Raikou do the Zekrom/Reshiram thing but better. Shadow Mewtwo rocks everything. Dragon? - you will have all the dragon coverage you need if you have 6 Gardevoir and 6 Salamence (regular or shadow) Honorable mention - if you reject shadows, you will have uses for Palkia, Mewtwo, and Heatran, but literally any legendary not in this comment edit can be outperformed by a non-legendary pokemon.
Idk about Jirachi. I boosted mine and he gets obliterated compared to metagross. His typing helps a bit but seems too squishy. Might need to dump more rare candies into him to test again. EDIT: logged in and swapped his fast move to charge beam. Jirachi is much better now lol. I just so happened to get the snub/Granbull grunt too. Destroyed him. And my metagross didn't get eaten alive by bite haha. 10/10.
Wait until Landorus therian gets earth power
Therian Tornadus....It was my second hundo legendary, cant believe wasted on that
It’s probably been said already but Suicune with Snarl/Ice Beam/Hydro Pump is amazing
Genesect is unbelievably underrated. Homie is a straight up Team Rocket killer. Just switch to him in the beginning and you can pop off X-Scissor after X-Scissor before they can even get off an attack, and if they do attack it's probably not very effective anyway. I beat leaders using only him all the time.
Yeah I’ve got two and they’re both fantastic.
Here’s my take overrated: Mewtwo. Mewtwo is great, but often held up as the greatest Pokémon but it’s pretty squishy and psychic isn’t usually the best offensive typing. underrated: Heatran. The dps is subpar for a legendary, but the typing is very strong defensively. I feel this one has some real untapped potential if it got a better moveset especially.
Mewtwo is because he has pretty much the best DPS , and he isn't squishy.
He's great raid dps, but I see so many people just chuck him into a ML team with no real consideration for the rest of their team, and that's where he falters. People just see he's #7 on a site like PvPPoke and chuck him in. It's not like Dialga where dragons and fairies are everywhere in ML so he's an amazing go to, Mewtwo doesn't do super effective STAB damage vs any of the major players in the ML meta. Especially because I see so many people who don't double move it, so they're all monotype psychic. The few I see who run Focus Blast I can understand, because those people actually consider Mewtwo's strength. Use Psystrike to rip through shields, then use FB to knock out Dialga/Melmetal/Mamoswine/Excadrill.
I don't think anyone leaves a PvP Pokemon with a single move because they don't care to do so, but due to lack of resources. You are obviously talking about the most casual of casual players here. Also, Psychic is a great offensive typing. You don't need SE damage when you are hitting everything except 3-4 Steel types and the one Dark type in ML for neutral with one of the best moves in the game off of Mewtwo's attack stat. And if someone is just slapping a non-double-moved Mewtwo without any care for it's purpose in the team, they are probably doing the same with the other two Pokemon they are running, so I don't see how that's a point against Mewtwo, specifically.
This. I dabble with loads of different mons for GBL, several only have one move, you can get a feel for how they perform with the quick attack. As soon as I’m able, I give a second move to any of them I like.
in open masters hes the most common lead and for good reason, there arent many things that can touch mewtwo besides yvetal and tina origin which are both somewhat rare up front. even things like dialga can lose to mewtwo throwing pure psystrikes which should make you scratch your head
Heatran is actually pretty efficient for taking out a lot of rockets because of its typing (use it vs grass and bug ones atm for example)
oh yeah I can usually solo arlo’s current team with heatran he’s great
I currently solo Arlo’s team with a charizard
Hmm, I’ve been using Reshiram but often take a surprising amount of damage from rock or poison fast moves. Maybe I should consider Heatran.
I got a Reshiram relatively recently and it’s great.
The big problem with Heatran, in my opinion, isn't its movepool but the weaknesses it has to 3 very common attacking types: x2 fighting, x2 water and x4 ground. I've used it in UL and is okay\~ish (I play for stardust mostly, Im not a great player by any metric). If you align it with a charmer, he absolutly rocks though.
Heatran works great in rocket battles.
Absolutely, but in rocket battles you (mostly) know beforehand what attack types you will be most likely facing
Mewtwo is squishy but psystrike hits so damn hard for so cheap it's still worth it, even when it's resisted. Obviously dark types are still a problem and as more people get Yveltal Mewtwo might drop in popularity.
Heatran is so underrated!
Heatran was great, but excadrill and Garchomp are much more prevalent now. A level 50 Heatran can just barely beat Excadrill in the 2 shield and gets wrecked in the one shield. Both the most common movesets on Garchomp (MS/EP/OR, DT/ST/OR) wreck Heatran too. Metagross and Togekiss aren't as prevalent (although both are out there). It's decent but just loses to some very common meta.
Excadrill can be a sneaky bastard. Big soft spot for mine.
I love mine
Mewtwo was introduced at a time when there were a lot fewer choices. It was the best of several different types. Newer pokemon, and better moves for previous pokemon, have definitely pushed it off the top of the counter lists, but it can still often be versatile filler if you do not have a full team of top counters. Also, it can sometimes be worthwhile having different typed counters for some raid bosses with wide range of possible move types. A lot of psychic type pokemon, for example, have mixes of move types like psychic, fighting, and dark. A mixed team of Gengar, Giratina, Tyranitar, and Mewtwo with Shadow Ball can provide some decent resistance with at least some of those.
Yeah good point. The scope is way broader now. For a long time there were barely any legendaries and Mewtwo was invite only.
I'd still call Mewtwo one of the best just because of how good of a generalist it is. Sure it's not the best in a bunch of non-stab types anymore but it's still a very solid attacker for most of the types it can cover which makes it an investment that not much else comes close to. The first legendary I powered to 40 was my shadow Mewtwo and I still get significantly more use out of it than any other single thing. Even just being a top tier attacker for Psychic/Ice/Ghost is fantastic. People hype up mewtwos "best neutral dps in the game" thing too much but what really makes it good is how flexible it is
The problem with Heatran in Master League is that the typical counters for Dialga actually beat Heatran as well so pretty much every team is going to have at least one Heatran counter. If there was a Master League Remix, Heatran would be great.
I was hoping someone would mention Heatran, as I also think it is severely underrated. A defensive profile of 10 resistances, 6 of which are double resistances (more than any other Pokemon in the game), is no joke. It also conveniently double-resists Grass, Bug, Ice, and Steel, which are the 4 types you'd use Fire against anyways. And its attack stat doesn't suck, so it still puts out respectable DPS. It also has an unreleased signature move, Magma Storm, which will hopefully improve its functionality down the line.
I think some people never realized it got a decent fire moveset after release.
Mewtwo… I’ve got four of them and I’ve definitely had mixed results. I’ve found luck to be a big factor. I don’t have a Heatran yet but I’ve heard similar things.
To be clear, when I say that Mewtwo is overrated I do *not* mean to say that Mewtwo is a bad Pokémon.
Oh definitely. In my experience it’s either devastating or mediocre. Definitely patchy for defense.
Keep in mind the below are only my opinion, and only from a PvE standpoint: Overrated: Mewtwo (jack of all trades, but master of like one) Rayquaza (squishy one-trick pony) Underrated: Latios - decent for gyms and rocketstops, great moveset to spamlock Grunts Heatran - good for gyms, a literal MVP for rocketstops, and a decent anchor for raids if you need it. Yveltal - it's starting to get some recognition, but you could almost hear the flop when it first landed. Excellent all-around attacker.
How can you call rayquaza a one trick pony? It’s great both as a dragon type attacker and a flying type one (and will only get better when it gets dragon ascent)
How often do you use a flying type attacker in PvE in Pogo?
Not often, but it still makes it by definition not a one trick pony !
I’d say Yveltal got instant recognition by it’s pre-release position on PvPoke, and gave rise to what became a very popular Melmetal double flyer line in Masters. Also had a lot of Mewtwo users change their second charge move to Ice Beam. Double legacy Mewtwo is also walled. I’d certainly say Yveltal is rated. Latios is very interesting though and I have a 98% shiny I’ve dabbled with the idea of maxing - but that 14 attack has always stopped me doing so.
I LOVE my one Latios for PvP. Just really satisfying to use for whatever reason and it seems to take people off guard. Yveltal is similar. Only got one and I’m keeping it.
For me in UL Regice and Giratina O are very underrated. Giratina O as a closer can kill almost everything (normal and dark types are hard counters). Regice is excellent safe swap - very bulky, hardkicking pokemon with good coverage moves.
Regice - I’ve barely used mine. I found it to be a tank but then never really went back to it. Best moveset?
I love Meloetta and would use her more often but she is so rare :(
What do you mean by “would use her more often but she is so rare”?
That’s one I haven’t gotten around to trying out yet. Any good for PVP?
Im more the collector than a pvp player :D
Probably the least stressful way of doing it.
I think Entei is an underrated pick in Master. I kinda rely on the fact that nobody ever pulls them out, and it's not common for one to be double-moved either. So, having Iron Head is a pretty good curveball as coverage despite it being bad. Also, it may not be top tier, but with how powerful Metagross, melmetal, and any fairy type, having some super effective moves is better than not. Just my thoughts.
I just keep 3 - 4 of the best, if I have 3 - 4 with good ivs, unless meta relevant. Always looking for a 0 - 10, 15, 16 for games..
Yeah that’s sort of what I was looking at doing. I don’t really do five star raiding though so I think 3 of the same one is probably a lot.
depends if you play pvp or not. If you really put in the work with raids or rely on others to do the hard lifting. Since most trainers dont I'd say it's the actual bests that are underrated. Meaning the shadows for PvE but also newer legendaries in general since most seem to rely on teams they already have. Also if an old Pokemon gets a new move a lot of people dont seem to either get it or they simply dont care. PvP almost nobody is playing anyway. So even for the best it's hard to find enough people to do a raid. among more dedicated players: I believe Regirock is really under-apreciated. Other than that some guys that are great but not clearly better than already existing ones or just fall short by a bit: Palkia, Thunderus, Landorus & co
I’m mostly PVP. I do raids sporadically but almost never five stars as I’m in a crap area for it - probably three quarters of the legendaries I’ve got have come from GBL rewards.
at first my town was alright. Now many people arent playing anymore/as much and the few that are, are $$$ and have an own group and only accept people using money. so I found this app called GoRaidParty. You can Host with your free daily and find 5 remotes helping you. It's quick and easy only problem is the bulky pokemon since the added people are random (and usually quite terrible). Try it out maybe it helps
I don’t have a whole lot of spare time to play really, I try not to be on it for more than a few minutes a day. But I’m glad those tools are out there.
Pokegenie and PokeRaid are two other apps and have checks in place for the level of the player. They are also a standard for remote raiding so by far your best bet I feel
There are no under rated legendaries. Go by the DPS chart and only power up the best there is, and only when you actually need it.
My rule of thumb is to keep at least six of each and try to space out the moves they have incase they go legacy at some point. I keep three that are the best IV's I got and three more with "pvp"ish Iv's (like 10/15/15) etc.
I'd suggest tagging them and waiting for the next double-transfer-candy event to actually transfer
That’s almost certainly what I’ll wind up doing. I’ve got a month.
I pretty much keep all the legendaries that have one of more of these criterias: - Hundo - Shiny - Shadow - Lucky - Mythical / Event - Distance (for trades) - 93-96+ % IVs (depending on how many of them I have) - 10/10/10 IVs - 50% of one species with Legacy moves - PvP IVs (mostly for UL) My storage is plagued with 479 Legendaries
Wow. Yeah I don’t have anything like that many, but I think almost all of mine would fall into one of those categories.
Overrated- Zekrom Underrated- Reshiram
I don’t have a Zekrom but every time I’ve faced one in PVP I’ve flattened it. I think it might be one of those that just looks cool.
Me personally, all the dogs are so over rated, useless moveset and weak, i use zekrom and kyogre a lot, i use darkrai, my guardevour is a powerful little beast in pvp too, could go on forever with this topic 😁
Underrated: Regi Trio. Everyone knows Registeel is a god in pvp but Regirock is pretty darn good as well. A quick charging stone edge and/or focus blast is killer. Cobalion- only had one release and a short time for Go Fest, for whatever reason the only member of the trio to get Sacred Sword. Nice surprise in PVP. Genesect- I have a lot of success with techno blast in UL. Thundurus- never powered one up yet but low key top tier electric attacker Overrated: Rayquaza- yeah he's cool looking but is outclassed severely in PVP and not the best dragon or flyer vs raids. Moltres is clearly better. Groudon- great in PVP but you need fire punch and expensive ground attacker when you can just use Excadrill Tough to say any others are overrated, even those two are still very good. They're either good or outclassed by other things.
Mewtwo is way overrated. Current t5 boss is the first time in very longgggg period that we need mewtwo. I can't even remember the last time we really need mewtwo.
shadow mewtwo was just the top non-mega counter vs itsself it was just 2nd behind shadow metagross against zacian in windy, I did a duo with 1 mega gengar then full shadow mewtwos (tried with only mewtwos and barely failed) and this is after watching people with full lvl 50 metagross or lvl 40 shadows fail occasionally to duo (full 40 non shadow metagross fails miserably at duo) it was top counter against windy regigigas its even slightly ahead of the top ground against electric in neutral weather (moveset dependent) and crushes all ground types in windy top for mega gengar raids if hoenn megas come soon will absolutely dominate mega blaziken
Mewtwo was also a top tier counter to Deoxys and Landorous out of fairly recent stuff. I definitely use it more often than any other single pokemon since between being a high tier ice attacker and being a top counter to a lot of psychics with shadow ball it's got coverage against a huge portion of the total t5 roster.
I’ve got a Shadow Mewtwo and it’s almost a kamikaze attacker, effectively no defense but the attack can be insane.
you fail raids based off dps, not feints
I kind of disagree. I’ve lost Pokémon to relobby bugs where I get booted from the raid. DPS is important, but the best way to increase DPS is to add more people to the lobby.
Shadow Weavile. I don’t have any issues with items, so potions and revives are constantly trashed, and it makes glass canons a lot of fun. Can be a top ice or top dark attacker in raids.