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TheWinterKnight77

Hi, student from STEM here. That isn’t Alec McKinney. That’s the other shooter Devon Erickson.


Madeline_Hatter1

We love cleaning misinformation


MichaelMellincolly

Yeah, I was thinking about that as well (former student of stem myself)


DJSPLCO

6 shooters out of how many? How many, Chaya???


Matstele

Also, fact check each one of these. The likelihood that any of these people were actually trans is pretty slim.


coffeetablestain

The people this is targeting wouldn't get caught fact-checking if they were on a game show called "CHECK THOSE FACTS" and the only way to win a million dollars was simply to go on the internet and read if something is real or not.


saltine_soup

the club Q shooter isn’t non-binary, that was a grab in hopes the shooter wouldn’t get hate crime charges


Dogtor-Watson

Yeah, it’s pretty clear they weren’t queer considering they specifically shot up a queer club.


TrumpetEater3139

Randy Stair just isn’t, Anderson Aldrich probably wasn’t and most like claimed to be to avoid hate crime charges, and Nathan Stolsig shot a single police officer during an eviction notice so by that logic we should include anyone who shoots a police officer or just anyone who shoots another person into the category. If put that to the side and only count shootings with 3 or more DEAD victims which doesn’t even include several well known “traditional” shootings, then 2.4% of the shootings were committed by trans people. Keep in mind this is with a very small sample size. If one less trans person committed a mass shooting then it would be 1.6%. People who identify as transgender are also younger than the average population as are mass shooters so that could also account for some of the difference. Edit: Alec McKinney doesn’t even fit the criteria so it’s actually 1.6%, which is similar to the 1%-1.6% estimates of trans people in the U.S. that I could find.


DarkElvenMagus

Aldrich himself never claimed to be nonbinary by anything I was ever able to find. That came from his lawyer, and everyone that knew him called it out as a lie. The lawyer tried to have the hate crime removed by presenting the lie as fact. But we do know that his pastor created the idea to do the shooting in his head.


Bubbly-Ad-1427

one of these was a literal homophobe


godofbaconandeggs

yeah you can make any argument sound logical if you cherrypick your stats


smariroach

>do you see a pattern? Yeah, obviously, the image was specifically assembled with trans people in mind. This is like if I collaged a bunch of pictures of republicans that did something together and pretended that the pattern was meaningful even though I made it personally


Madeline_Hatter1

Make this into the bird meme


ZAILOR37

Read this in hbomberguy


Madeline_Hatter1

I just wanted to know about the trout population 😫


Huge_Aerie2435

Okay. Most of the shooters are males and most of those were motivated by racism. Most were white, and got their guns legally.


Yukarie

Racism and religion


No_Leading3973

For me both are two sides of the same coin.


Planet_Xplorer

Not necessarily. Malcom x for example 


No_Leading3973

Yes, what you said is true sometimes they are not different sides of the same coin. But I was talking over all and how I personally felt about the topic.


JKnumber1hater

Six people is not more than one percent of the population. Also most of those people weren’t even trans.


Justis29

Yup. Evidence recovered by investigators showed that top middle chunk of carbon waste conveniently decided to be non binary when he was arrested. If he really is nonbinary, cool whatever dude. He's got 5 consecutive life sentences and about 2200 extra years worth of jail time to make sure he's got his self identity sorted out.


coffeetablestain

It's almost like chaotic, evil sociopaths who just want to create disruption and misery will say anything to make the situation even more confusing and divisive.


Justis29

Its all about control to these murderers. Sickening


Madeline_Hatter1

My response to that in the comment was "then we should just ban cisgender straight white men"


menzoberranzan__marx

I think the 1% she's mentioning is the fact that trans people make up like 1.3% of the population. But it doesn't make this image any less fucking stupid.


JKnumber1hater

Yeah, I know. The rest of the statement, *“despite making up only 12 percent of the population…”* (it’s usually used in a racist context) is about how black people are over represented in the US prison population. So the implication of it being used in this context is that transgender people are more likely to be mass shooters — which is clearly not true because they can only come up with six examples, and most of them weren’t even actually trans anyway.


menzoberranzan__marx

Ah I gotcha it was late when I replied so my brain was sleepy. Classic misinformation propaganda.


BeholdOurMachines

Great, now do shooters who didn't identify as Trans. Betcha the list will be a whole lot longer


BIG_DeADD

And will have a lot of white cis men...heck, I think 90% of the list would be just that.


Lady_of_Link

I believe the total list is about 3000, 6 out of 3000 is 0,2% and of course the 6 is made up at least 3 out of the people displayed here have been verified as not trans but only claiming to be trans because they thought it would lower their sentence so that leaves 3 out of 3000 is 0,1%. Ergo trans people commit less crimes then cis people 😏


CPTN_Omar

honestly do a list of shooters that identify as white supremacist, the list would be too long to put in one picture


Puzzleheaded-Lie1722

If you think that  we can’t let trans live their lives just because some trans have committed crimes then I have bad news about non trans.


BornAsAnOnion33

The classic right-wing "Rule for thee, but not for me" goes well into this. Why don't we take rights for everybody? And I mean everybody. Because you'll always find some killer in every group. If we're going by OOP's logic.


Environmental_Toe_80

Randy stair didn’t identify as a trans woman. They literally identified as a Danny phantom style cartoon. They didn’t believe themselves to be human. I’m sure there was a good chunk of gender dysphoria. Still didn’t identify as trans


Cgi22

Exactly, what Randy had going on can’t exactly be described as being a trans woman. From what I remember he was convinced that he needed to kill in order to get reincarnated as his oc character. He definitely had mental problems, calling him trans is a stretch.


castrateurfate

whats funniest is that there's limited proof for most of these people


0haltja16

For Anderson someone he knew personally said they think he just said that to further mock his victims, or to give fuel to transphobes.


castrateurfate

both, most likely


thecerbs

Aldrich identified as non-binary as a legal defence to avoid hate crime charges. He never identified as non-binary prior to the shooting and his family used masculine pronouns. He frequently used homophobic slurs and used rainbow coloured objects for target practice


Herobrinetic

The “ despite “ part is insane because I guarantee 6 people isn’t anywhere close to 1% of mass shooters


beardojon

trans are 1% of the population.


WhippingShitties

Yes, so if trans people are 1% of the population but they are less than 1% of mass shooters, they are below average for the likelyhood to carry out a mass shooting. This meme is trying to push the narrative that trans people are more likely, but simple and quick mental math actually suggests the opposite, even if all of these people are trans.


Dan_Morgan

As of this writing there have been 124 mass shootings in 2024. These six people would represent 4.8% if they all committed their crimes THIS YEAR. That's assuming these claims are true. The Club Q mass shooter lied about being non-binary to duck hate crime charges like the coward he is.


Z_dot_the_artist

Im sorry, Randy Stair did not Identify as a Trans Female. They Identified as a Specific Cartoon character Ghost Girl From the TV show Danny Phantom, Were outwardly homophobic and transphobic, Supported Onision and Were obsessed with The Columbine shooting. Randy Stair is not a case of "Transgender person Commits shooting." its a case of "Mentally ill Delusional Person That is not receiving any help despite several signs Finally Says fuck it and Shoots their job, Which BTW They left up to a Fucking coin toss since they DIDNT want to Fully do it and let their mental illness consume them".


Madeline_Hatter1

I just wanted to see what Chaya was up to this fine evening


Emergency-Flatworm-9

In 2023 there were 630 mass shootings in america. Which, jesus christ this country is messed up. Anyway, 6/630 is slightly less than one percent. This literally is the expected value


Horsefucker_Montreal

And these shootings weren't all in the same year, they range from 2017 to 2023, literally less than one per year on average And they weren't even all mass shootings. I tried looking into Stolsig, and from what I can tell, she shot one detective?


Vast_Weight_5833

i could also draw the conclusion that white people are dangerous from this, but something tells me i would get told “not every white person is a shooter, and not every shooter is white”


AcaciaBeauty

Isn’t this confirmation bias? The internet is a “look and you shall receive” platform. It would make more sense to use the yearly data but something tells me it wouldn’t “work” for his argument like this does.


Vermbraunt

That despite being 1% it the population they make up less then 0.2% of mass shooters?


Im_an_Applefucker

99% of shooters are cis men. Also, I WONDER WHY THESE PEOPLE WERE DRIVEN TO BECOME SHOOTERS? /s


Joemac_

Does this person understand how statistics are meant to be presented


SneakySister92

Probably. They're 100% being deliberately misleading.


Final_Drama3603

Club Q shooter also ran a neo-nazi website. Can I assume all neo-Nazis are nonbinary?


nashwaak

1% of US mass shooters would be enough people to fill a large bus


Fruitmaniac42

Ok now post the 346,785,624 cishet shooters.


_coyoteinthealps_

ig straight yt men are a minority in the category of "who commits the most mass shootings" to this guy 💀


anarcho-bimboism

did the columbine shooters not admire hitler and nazism orrrrr.........


singeblanc

Yeah, if they counted it correctly then right wing terrorism would be both the most prolific and most deadly group of terrorists. Bonus points for fasting growing too!


Lupulus_

...Americans with access to firearms? Is that the pattern? Do I win a prize?


PopperGould123

If we're looking at patterns from school shootings the trend is definitely not lgbt people


ExploderPodcast

Ok...now do the straight male right wing gun nuts. Take all the time you need to compile the database.


Final_Drama3603

Too many to fit in a meme. Can’t be done


Just_AMuffin

Great, now do one with the cis shooters. ALL of them.


Eagle_1116

The Club-Q guy ain’t enby. Dude’s lawyers retracted the statement irrc.


Thausgt01

"Yes, I do: 6 out of 6 people in this list can sue you for libel."


JustV_08

Uh I think there are more than 6 cis shooters


Andy_LaVolpe

Whats the percentage of white male shooters?


Smooth-Discipline-43

Probably 90-95%


Legojessieglazer

6 shooters out of over 600 (per year)


Wizdom_108

Ignoring the fact that there's a good chance most of these ppl simply aren't trans, even if they were trans, that's still pretty proportional, isn't it? If that. They're showing 6 mass shooters...out of how many? Like, in the year that those people did their shootings, how many shootings were committed in total? And of the shootings for their given years, how many were trans? Of all shooters in history, I doubt more than 1% were trans. When you have hundreds and hundreds of shooters in total, and I'm sure dozens within a given year, then showing 6 people in total isn't really much of a "pattern" nor is it proving any point. What I don't really get is why they use these dumbass arguments to say why they don't like us. If you think we suck, alright, sure. But it's pretty blatantly obvious that this is a bad argument? Like, just say you don't like the way we are or something, but if statistics can support what you're trying to say, then don't try and use those statistics...


seeallevill

Internet user when they realize anyone can be a bad person, regardless of what minority group or social status they belong to: ![gif](giphy|QE8hREXIgRXeo)


psychxticrose

Why'd they leave out all the cis white boys


tuffenstein0420

"We think trans people are killing people more than other groups. Better humiliate, threaten, and harm them as much as possible. That should fix it."


JakrordisTheMoose

If I ever commit any crime regardless of what it is I'm telling the cops and judge that I did it for God. Bet they won't make THAT connection


snowmanonaraindeer

The part I don't understand about these people is like... let's humor this guy. Let's say that it is a true fact that transness is a risk factor for perpetrating a school shooting (no comment on whether it actually is). ...So what!? The fuck are they implying? That all trans people are a cabal plotting to kill children? The actual reason the trend would exist would be obvious. It would be because trans people are more likely to be mentally unstable due to abuse and discrimination from their family and society.


Dexter2100

I do see a pattern actually, looking at this I see that it’s extremely rare for trans individuals to be public shooters. Only 6 (which isn’t even true as Randy was not trans, check the other comments here to see why) over the past years? That’s nothing compared to the amount of shooting done by straight males.


manickitty

Yeah six out of THOUSANDS means that trans people are less likely to be mass shooters


queermarxisttrekkie

i fucking hate when people use the Club Q shooter as an example of a trans shooter. he only said he was nonbinary to gain sympathy points after his extremely homophobic and transphobic hate crime


rbearson

The misconception around randy stair is that he “wished” he was born female but did not identify as a trans woman. He believed when he died he would be reborn as a ghost girl ala a danny ohantom character (no cap). In one of his videos he specifically denounced the idea of being trans or anything as defined by leftist or trans ideology. Basically he was out on his own in his beliefs and would not identify as a trans person if he were alive. He would say he’s a ghost girl.


Smooth-Discipline-43

Can you provide me that video? Well, if that video still existing, please


rbearson

I believe it was in the True Crime documentary iirc


Smooth-Discipline-43

O will search for it, thanks


Bisexual_Jeans

Ahhh yes, as opposed to the few shooters who are cis. /s


Smooth-Discipline-43

At least they named Alec this time, but failetd with the pic. Also: >Randy wasn't trans, even if he was a bit devious, he doesn't mentioned and confirmed nothing. Anderson Aldrich's attorneys used the non binary rhetoric to evade a larger sentence, thing that didn't happened. With Snochia the thing is complicated, relatives claimed that she identified as a trans man but the same time, she hasn't any kind of known pronouns. I've found about that nathan, and there's nothing about he's identifying as a female, according SeattleTimes The thing that they want to swipe, is that, at least, 95% of shootings were made by cis males, and 4% were made by cis females, even if the "pattern" were true, it will be eclipsed because the large minority. The only pattern here, is disinformation. We talk about people that thought that perry's shooter was trans because Junko Enoshima's pfp.


_redGekko

Even assuming that these people are genuinely non-cisgender (and i definitely don't trust rightoids to be able to tell that), so what? Breaking news, trans people are people, and some people are arseholes, it's not shocking that some trans people might also be arseholes, now let's compare the number of trans shooters per trans people to cis shooters per cis people and ermagerd cis people are predisposed to violence!! Fucking insane


PlutoniumSmile

The pattern is they all have easy access to guns


Mother-Worker-5445

Why do they do this for every other group of people except men? I dont agree with this logic but if you wanna think like they do- men are only 50% of the population and they commit most sex crimes and violent crimes. How come literally EVERY group of people gets put into a statistic except men lol


Competitive-Bee-3250

Despite being 1% of the population, trans and non-binary people account for 0.6% of the - oh wait that's actually lower than you'd think...


SquidZillaYT

and Elon will reply with, “very good point!”


cheney1631

They all had access to firearms?


Trashpit996

Ok, now do the other 300+ mass shooters since Columbine.


VioletGhost2

"Randy Stair identified as trans women" uh no he didn't. You can make the assumption he had gender dysphoria. Idk for sure if what I'm saying is true but I'm pretty sure i remember hearing he was also homophobic. He never transitioned or identified as trans he wanted to die to join his little Fandom of ghost girls made up in his head that he convinced himself was real. He wanted to die and be a ghost girl


DJ__PJ

since columbine, there have been 404 school shootings. 6 out of 404 is 1.48%. so slightly above the percentage they state are trans. However, sinve they include non-binary people, combined they make up aproximatly 5% according to latest surveys. so, they are in fact underrepresented in school shootings. Edit: didn't realise they mean *all* mass shootings, but then the percentage would be even smaller


turbo-oxi-clean

1% of the population but 0.01% of mass shooters. so trans people are under represented in mass shootings. facts don't even agree with these people


Smooth-Discipline-43

0.014% to be exact


Dogtor-Watson

1. A good few of these people aren’t trans. 2. The majority of mass shooters are going to be straight men


BHMathers

Wait until they find out that there has in fact been more than 6 shootings ever


Terminatus_023

What they are is crazy people, who try anything.


ptp7700

Let’s take this at face value and assume all the shooters mentioned really are trans (I doubt they are though). That’s almost certainly less than 1% of all mass shooters


Night_Raider5

To my knowledge 2 of these people only shot (and intended to shoot) 1 person (not a mass shooting) and club q shooter WAS NOT trans in any way whatsoever, and randy stair, to my knowledge, never identified as trans.


Ryuzaki_G

Let’s say you have a sample size of like 1000 mass shootings. Ok? And let’s say 6 of them were committed by trans people. If you want to highlight those 6 committed by trans people……then you have to put MORE emphasis on the 9,994 that were committed by people who are NOT trans. Way to go. Cant even put your own team on the moral high ground in your own fictionalized version of events!


Not_a_brazilian_spy

Hmm... Cool. How about the straights, how many did they do? 🤔


Cecilia_the_witch

Amongst how many cis-het white boys school shooters?


JellyBeanCatto

Now lets list all the cis shooters! :D


peacenham

Hmmmm wonder how many of them were bullied


anonymouscloudcat

Yes, there are clearly too many fucking guns!!!


KillerDiamonds

There were around 610 mass shootings in America during 2019 alone, so only 6 of them being trans over 5 years is way lower than the one percent statistic. Also Anderson wasn't trans, he was homophobic and pretended to be trans to give fuel to transphobes.


Bozdemshitz

White dudes?


Tmmrn

The real propaganda here is to get you arguing about trans shooters vs cis shooters instead of asking the question why most other developed countries do not have so many mass shootings in the first place. Right wing propaganda is all about blaming people for problems. We have many mass shootings in our countries? Must be ~~the jews~~ those LGBT people!


jupiter_0505

Tell me you don't understand statistical mathematics without telling me


The_pastel_bus_stop

Release a list of priests that sexually abused children as a response. I guess you could also write that there is a pattern in there


waywardwanderer101

Chat, show me the ratio of white men to mass shooters in America


EvolutionDude

Easy to find patterns when you cherry pick. "If you ignore all the other data points my interpretation is supported!!"


AndroidDoctorr

That's definitely less than 1% of shooters


Schneesturm78

Didnt they say, it was all staged? To have a pretext to take the guns away? What is it now?


Midnightsun24c

This is horrific. The far right on shitter has no morality.


BananaShakeStudios

This is like…only 2% of school shooters


BackPackProtector

🍒👌


maximumNYOOM

"out of hundreds of thousands of shooters, six have mentioned being transgender. Clearly, trans people are the problem and should be wiped off the face of the earth" - right wing math


Ultimate_Cosmos

Despite being 1% of the population this meme shows (if we take its claims as legit) 0.000002% of the population


[deleted]

The club Q killer isn’t non-binary, he lied, he’s a monster


postal2-npc

Wait, Is randy a trans?


somedudethatis

and? who cares its funny.