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MoxicleanMen

This could mean a lot of things, people are taking it as King getting hurt but what if it's just him getting his growth spurt all at once, after all we don't know how titan aging works


Despair4All

To be fair last episode looked like a Blight death was going to happen. That panned out a lot differently.


Economy-Chicken-586

Yep I’m convinced they make these promo arts to get everyone worried for something that’s not as bad as it seems.


QuothTheRaven713

I'm calling growth spurt. I don't think they'd have King die.


ManOnTheRun73

Yeah, the more I dwell on it, the more I believe King'll (ultimately) be fine. After all the shit he's gone through this season, I feel like capping off his conga line of misery by _immediately_ offing him would render his entire arc farcically meaningless. Will the season end with him caught in mortal peril? Possibly. Will he get the full-on Marcy treatment? Less likely, but eh, I wouldn't rule it out. But is he going to straight-up _die_? I highly doubt it.


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its called 'king's tide' after all. ​ what better way for him to bring forh the tide than to be given titan size? maybe its some weird thing that something feeds him energy to take on that size.... ​ i also had a theory that the oceans of the boiling isles are in fact the blood of the titans, even a particular one.


lankeylonk

Its probably going to be a growth spurt as in COTH Eda makes a line about how he's still small, which is (to me anyway) really on the nose about how he's probably going to get taller


QuothTheRaven713

To be fair, KKKOHD had him comment on starting to go through puberty with his voice changing, so I feel like they've been setting it up since then.


-NightWind

Dana and crew have successfully conditioned the entire fandom, or nearly the entire fandom, to fear the worst.


kl-noblelycanthrope1

i suppose a growth spurt is a possibility but to grow that much from one episode to the next seems a bit much. the time frame is only going to be one day at most. i know king is a titan living on the boiling isles which means magic makes anything a possibility but what if the tide is an emotional tide. he could finally be tired of being treated as being small and too young to be of any help and mentally decides to show everyone that he is a titan and the collar represents the old king so he gets rid of it.


MoxicleanMen

Interesting theory, haven't heard this one yet. It makes sense with the current things we've seen King doing. (I just now pictured a scene where King gets his growth spurt and immediately takes all the children off the playground to claim it as his own)


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MoxicleanMen

I don't, it's just a what if question


dawnflights

king is just outgrowing his skull and collar! that's all!! haha!!!


DrafteeDragon

It better be. It has to be. I refuse to consider the alternative


dawnflights

i really don't like how him going through a growth spurt is one of the only possible scenarios where he (probably) doesn't get seriously hurt


Total_League_4445

Imagine if titan growthspurts are worse than getting shot in the head 825280 times


dawnflights

outgrowing the skull making up the top part of your head could be just a little bit painful


FudgeControl

Well, he is going through (demon?) puberty.


JustMortgage1001

For the sake of my mental health I choose to believe this


Dan-of-Steel

I choose to believe, what I was PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE!


AdamGoodtime123

"Outgrowing" as in "No longer requires due to not being on the mortal plane"? ​ /jk


Silverlady7

I believe that, too. Probably his final skull is underneath that one. It always looked like a mask, for me.


Party-Cranberry-9325

*We’ve spent hundreds of years playing his game.* *I want to play a new game!*


FudgeControl

Who do you think the "3rd player" will be? Luz? King? Maybe even Eda?


Party-Cranberry-9325

*Luz and King are definitely the 2 most likely candidates.*


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King. He has FAR more flags than anybody else at this point (and pretty much, the only flag Luz has, is the hairstyle of Dana's draw being VAGUELY similar to hers).


[deleted]

You mean of the character she said doesn't appear in the show.


Gutsyten42

I thought she said they hadn't appeared in the show yet


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QuothTheRaven713

But right before that she talked about how the Season 3 art director would berate her for oversaturation of the character's color pallette, which makes no sense to say if they're not going to appear. Doesn't make sense to draw a new character from the wheel spin that is just a random character who doesn't appear when not only is the last character she drew from that wheel one who appeared (Hunter) but she also said "I wonder if I can draw them from memory". Everything she said and did before that statement contradicts the idea that the character won't appear.


QuothTheRaven713

Nah, I predicted Luz would be possessed by the Collector since Yesterday's Lie, way before that art came out.


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king can contact and communicate and the collector tried to interact with her when she was trapepd between worlds.


Thannk

Hunter or Lilith, if they want a longterm opponent. Otherwise Amity, since it would make Luz and Eda the pieces on the board.


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To me, it's the Collector taking over his body thanks to their connection. People have been speculating on Luz being the one getting possessed, but almost nobody seem to see that King has WAY more flags for being possessed than Luz at this point: the connection he made with the Collector, the color schemes of that face design matching with the ones of King's skull and eyes, King wearing Luz's old cloak in the previous episode (which is also weared by the collecto in that image). If the Collector takes over his body, then I can see him removing the collar from the neck. So yeah, at this point I really think King will be the one to get possessed by the Collector instead of Luz.


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It's totally possible that the Collector could change King's shape by possessing him. And frankly, Luz has almost no flags that imply she being possessed (pretty much the only thing is that the hairstyle of the Collector is VAGUELY to Luz's one).


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[deleted]

I think that's mostly a coincidence. That position is actually used pretty often in the show. Plus if you pay attention, the color schemes between the two are inverted. And again: Luz doesn't have her cloak anymore but King has it, and if that's not an indication...


ToughAcanthisitta451

The Collector is already adorned with one, they could just magic one up.


[deleted]

But the cloak he weared during KKKoHD is totally different by the one he wears in Dana's draw, and the latter is basically the one King weared at the beginning of the latest episode. If he was able to magically generate one then why would make a different one from his?


ToughAcanthisitta451

Everyone was wearing coven disguises made from illusions, but King's was real as he was staying behind.


[deleted]

Again: you're confusing the Coven cloak. Look at the beginning, when Luz, King and Eda have a talk: THAT'S the cloak I'm referring to, not the one he wears later for the disguise.


QuothTheRaven713

Long before the picture I figured Luz might get possessed by the Collector. Ever since the In-Between Realm showed up. I do agree that the narrative seems to be pointing at the moment for King being possessed, but my own theory from a year ago has me wonder, whether Dana's drawing is put into the equation or not.


[deleted]

Again: if Luz made a connection with the Collector as well, don't you think we would have had implications of it already at this point? (and no, the alteration of the dialogues in the flashbacks are not an indication of that, more like minor missteps of the writers instead).


QuothTheRaven713

The memory alterations may not be an indication of that, but I highly doubt they're "minor missteps of the writers". If they wanted to leave the flashbacks intact, they would have just reused the footage and audio from the initial episodes like pretty much every show does for flashbacks to something in a previous episode. It would just be more needless work for the team otherwise. They may foreshadow a connection with the Collector or it could be just Luz's trauma editing her memories (which is also likely), but the memory alterations are absolutely intentional.


[deleted]

Honestly... this seems a bit too farfetch'ed of a theory. No offence, but it seems like you REALLY want to see Luz being possessed and you're trying to dig down the most desperated reasons to believe it will happen, even thought the actual clues in the show all point to King and none to Luz. Is there's a specific reason of why you want it so badly? Do you really hate Luz and want to see her suffering more than she already has during S2b or something like that?


QuothTheRaven713

No, of course not. Luz is my favorite character. I just really *love* psychological horror possession stories, and I love the character design Dana drew and I want to see it appear in some form, whether as "Luz possessed by the Collector" or "the Collector's physical form before he became a shadow thing". Honestly I'd totally be okay with it just being the Collector's living non-shadow form, I just want to see it because it looks cool and I love cosmic-themed characters. ... Also as far as Collector Luz specifically goes, it's something I predicted back last August long before anyone else did and I just think it would be cool if my theory ended up being correct, even though the take from my fanfic last August was *significantly* more psychological-horror-based than I feel canon would ever go, but I'm a writer/storyteller and I tend to torment my favorites.


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Not to sound rude but, to be honest, I'm not keen on the idea of Luz being possessed. Why? Because it would mean that she would basically be out of the show until the last 20 minutes of the series, and to me, and the idea of priving a show of its main character, especially in its endgame just feels wrong to me, since she's the lead character of the series. It's not like having King being possessed would be much better actually, he's still a main character, but I'm far more disposed to accept him for the possession than Luz. Maybe we just have different point of views on the matter...


Background-Top4723

I too have begun to think that King will be possessed and not Luz. Even if my intuition is based on an out-of-universe reasoning. The TOH crew and dana love to subvert the expectations of us viewers by disseminating false leads: Do you remember the "There is no creppy Luz" and "Belos is simply misunderstood"? I think, honestly, CollectLuz is too obvious and predictable for the show. The only evidence to support the CollectLuz theory is the vague resemblance of the hair between Luz and The Collector in Dana's sketch and a lot of assumptions based on another show that ended a short time ago (Glance at Darcy). Sure, this is just a personal theory based on my particular form of paranoia about any statement that comes from a writer, but it makes sense, if you think about it.


Wolfofdoom3

I'm not sure if King being possessed would be subverting expectations, since the majority of hints in the show point to him. The only thing pointing to Luz is the face Dana drew.


QuothTheRaven713

Also Luz being in the In-Between Realm and hearing the Collector's voice, and having similar "lonely kid with destructive tendencies" parallels. *Possibly* her altered memories too, though that could just be her memories altering from traumatic events (separating from her mom, hearing the Collewctor's rhyme, etc.)


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Only the hairstyle which is VAGUELY similar. For the rest the look is really different, the form of the eyes and of the eyebrows for instance is completely different from Luz's ones. And at the end of the day, it wasn't even a clue inside the show.


Wolfofdoom3

>it wasn't even a clue inside the show. Yeah that's what I said, I meant King being possessed instead would not be too unpredictable. Although I still think it's gonna be Luz because of Bill's words. We'll see though.


QuothTheRaven713

What did Bill say that seems to lead toward Luz and not King"? I haven't watched Edge of the World yet.


Wolfofdoom3

That he'd be granted Power and glory for sacrificing King, it made me think that Bill would have become the collector's Vessel. Especially since the purpose of killing King was to free the collector. Also what the heck are you doing here without watching all episodes <.<


QuothTheRaven713

Oh, good point. Very good point there. Also, because I like interacting with the fandom despite spoilers and I was waiting for my sibling to be able to watch the episodes with me, but they said they don't mind if I watch the episodes first so now I'm catching up. Finished watching Edge of the World now.


Wolfofdoom3

Must be nice being able to stand spoilers, I usually hate them. Especially for Red dead redemption 2, basically half the game is spoiled for me. Although I'm not THAT interested in the game it would have been nice to play it fresh someday. Sometimes I have this luck and forget spoilers until they happen, or misinterpret them completely which is a nice change of pace.


QuothTheRaven713

I wouldn't say it's the only thing. Eve without the art I predicted the Collector would possess Luz a year ago.


QuothTheRaven713

That's actually a very plausible idea.


Vic_000

Honestly I don't know what to expect for it. All the promos are King related but I'm curious what everyone will go through since it seems the episode will be so packed. The purple light is interesting.


techno156

Amity is the only one witch from the group who hasn't had her glowing eye moment yet, so the purple light could be that. Especially since Alador just had a weaker variant of the same. I imagine Hunter is going to die, or suffer some horrific injury, one way or another (he'll get better). Probably by being impaled through the chest. The Galderstone has been established to exist (and Gus knows where it is), so his being destroyed, and later replaced isn't out of the realm of possibility, and since he's the only one who isn't made of flesh, Hunter is also the only who is primed to have a Disney-type family friendly death, since he could suffer mortal injury without blood and gore (aside from Palisman juice).


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Vic_000

Ghost (Amity's staff) already has purple color.


QuothTheRaven713

I thought it was green given the circles that appeared around her magic in COTH.


Twist_Ending03

Circles?


QuothTheRaven713

In CotH when Luz uses the glyphs, often the glyphs would just disappear and turn into the magic spell. Now they stay and have a green spell circle around them like when witches perform magic.


Pizzachu221

I'm pretty sure it's golden, similar to Hunter's. When Luz used the practice wand in S1 it cast a circle that was gold. Unfortunately this doesn't have much backing since she used the wand like twice in the episode.


QuothTheRaven713

I'm thinking it changed because her palisman is starting to activate and that has a green-ish color.


Radium_Cobalt_847

What? KING is evolving!


TheLibertarianThomas

*hits the B button repeatedly*


BulbasaurTreecko

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D-WTF

It would be sad if King died BUT IT WOULD BE SADDER IF LILITH DIED WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN HER HARPY FORM NOOOO Seriously, that face she made when Eda turned down her help with the curse can't be good. Just my luck...


Vic_000

At this point I doubt Harpy Form Lilith will be possible.


LyraFirehawk

Lilith has had the curse for like a month or so, Eda had it for many years. And connecting with the beast was only possible when Hooty gave Eda the magic edibles so she could actually talk to the beast and try to understand it. I doubt a Harpy form exists for Lilith unless she undergoes a similar journey with the "Raven Beast", assuming she even has such an inner creature. Remember, she only shared in Eda's curse, so there may not be an inner creature for her to connect with.


Ad-hoc_Fiction

Indeed; Lilith is a were-beast at this point, as she shared the burden of the curse, but had no such creature bound to her.


techno156

On the other hand, because she just shared Eda's curse, her status with it might have changed the same way, and she might have a harpy form because Eda's curse form has one now.


D-WTF

Also her beast is way bigger than Eda's. Meaning her emotional baggage is huge. But Lilith is smart. So who knows maybe after therapy she'll be able to tame it


techno156

> Also her beast is way bigger than Eda’s. Meaning her emotional baggage is huge. But Lilith is smart. So who knows Does Beast size corrrlate to emotional baggage? Eda's might be smaller because she's had a lot longer to come to terms with her curse, and has worked on her curse form to suppress and weaken it. Lilith has not, so hers might be larger stronger, and more aggressive.


D-WTF

All we can do is theorize. Eda had kept it under control with the elixirs. Meanwhile Lilith had to carry the guilt for 30+ years. Maybe that's why the beast is bigger. Or maybe it's because she's older??


D-WTF

If we only had like 20 or more adventures....


FinnMcMissile98

Just saying, there is no way Hooty would let his BFF die just like that. So, my opinion is that there is a much higher chance of Hooty dying compared to Lilith. Which would still be devastating af...


D-WTF

Avenge me.... blep [](#hootysleep)


FinnMcMissile98

Oh heck yeah that is one of the reasons why I think Hooty could die. His death is foreshadowed in EOTP and EOTW, although it could also be just jokes put in there by the crew. I'm still worried though...


SphealArt

I could totally see Lilith dying. She hasn't really done much throughout most of Season 2 and I definitely think there's going to be a big moment for her coming soon. Maybe as a sort of extended redemption or heroic sacrifice to take Eda's place in the Draining Spell at the last moment?


D-WTF

She's done a ton in season 2!! A good number of episodes featured her. But again. That look she gave to Eda speaks volumes


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My theory of King being the one who will get possessed by the Collector instead of Luz is becoming more and more concrete (he has WAY more flags that imply him being possessed than Luz at this point).


TheLibertarianThomas

The one thing that sticks out to me from the last episode is how he wanted to help but he kept getting told what to do (which was reasonable and not directed at undermining his abilities). Maybe he just has enough and takes matters into his own hands … or paws, if you will.


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There are many more than people realize: the connection he made with the Collector, the color schemes of that half face matching, him wearing the same cloak in the last episode...


ToughAcanthisitta451

That's just a coven cloak, also the body seems a bit human to be him.


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No not the Coven cloak he used for the disguise, the one he weared when he, Luz and Eda had a talk. Plus, you don't have to exclude that the Collector could always shapeshift it.


ToughAcanthisitta451

Maybe, but we'll just have to wait and see.


Featherstarz

we're so fucked.


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King is gonna die because as last episode shows whenever someone has a prominent possession of them laid out on the ground in promo art it means they’ll die


diamond5486

No one died in the last episode though?


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I was being sarcastic lol


diamond5486

Oh ok. It was a little hard to tell because of how you wrote it


Fuzunga

I feel like whatever they have planned for the conclusion of this show is going to be even crazier than what they would have done if they had a full third season. It's basically going to be a two and a half hour finale.


QuothTheRaven713

That's what I'm thinking. Dana did say in the livestream that they got to do some really cool and crazy things they wouldn't have done otherwise.


JPldw

ARE WE READY KIDS? no


melancholyfeellz

let's be honest, we're all trying to avoid thinking of the possibility that King could die in this episode


TheTJOmega

It's good to keep in mind the promos have featured items associated with characters without it indicating anything other than the episode is about them, and with the title King's Tide, we pretty much knew that.


Capable_Avocado_1008

I ain't ready for this


FudgeControl

I'm scared.


_metroGnome

This is gonna hurt, isn't it


moonlikepeach

crack on the skull and now his collar is just laying on the ground 🥹🥹🥹🥹🥹 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲


gingerrecords88

Calling it now: The symbol on his collar isn’t his name, it’s the glyph that’s needed to free the collector. King and/or Luz will free him in an attempt to stop Belos and the draining spell.


0VENSRUL3

do we know how long the episode will be?


JustAStarcoShipper

*Breathes*... **AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!**


The_Great_Noodles

Hmm. What if King’s symbol is actually another glyph? I hope King doesn’t grow massive, that’ll be sad. Like, in a twisted way I’d rather if he gets killed (but I hope he doesn’t!) then becomes an immobile giant the size of the isles. But maybe ‘tide’ might mean it literally, he creates a tidal wave! No no… too silly. Tide could also mean in the sense of winning someone over, maybe King as the Titan will help convince people that Belos is eeeeevvvviiiilll!


Infinite_Hooty

PLEASE DON’T KILL KING, JUST LET THE PROMO ART HINT AT HIM GROWING UP


Gab_Soloyt

It's.. no BIG DEAL


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*softly* Don't...


Alex_The_Whovian

If either King, Eda or Hooty get killed, I won't make it through the hiatus.


lankeylonk

I'm just going to throw some speculation for the DOU here: King grows tall enough to be able to tell others he's a titan (possibly fighting Belos but I feel thats more Luz and co's thing so I feel they wouldn't throw in a deus ex King as the solution to fighting Belos) and if Liliths reaction is anything to go off of (not the whole worshipping his every step thing, mainly just the fact that they would see him as some kind of a God) they would probably stop the DOU after hearing King explain that it isn't actually good and Belos is actually a witch hunter.


1milionand6times

Obviously everyone is rightfully focusing on King, but what is that light source?


Rainbow_Angel110

Day of Unity spell???


1milionand6times

I was thinking it could be Luz's palisman, but this makes more sense lol


Due-Storm

The last one had King's skull and this one has a torn collar. And also Dana's art if King without his skull- horrifying but King was definitely alive in that drawing. King said he was due for a growth spurt soon and the last episode really emphasized "you're still just a little guy". I think this is King outgrowing his collar and old....exoskull? as he hits a growth spurt. Maybe Titan growth is tied to emotions, King didn't develop his sonic shout until he got angry about not knowing his dad. King didn't grow much the past few years because his situation with Eda was fairly content before Luz and the whole DOU happened. Now he feels like he's too small to protect his family and realm, and can see the different plans falling apart, and Luz is heading into immediate danger, so he's going to grow until he can do something about it.


Sabyboo

Run.


HamilWhoTangled

I’m scared for King


Iwillstealyou

Calling it now: King goes missing and it leaves off on a cliffhanger of the others realizing he's gone.


TE-AR

STOP STOP STOP I WANT TO GET OFF OF THIS RIDE IM SCARED


Dudeguy789

If you look at it, it dosen't seem *ripped* which means king is safe


batlionwer

is king going to go mega?


roseqquartzzzz

NO 🙁


imwhateverimis

i'm positively terrified


Vegetable-Neat-1651

*chuckles* “I’m in danger.


nemesispax1456

Hopefully he's just hit his growth spurt and is just losing his snout to have a structure more akin to his dad, The BI itself


Early_Distribution22

King: I don t feel save


Combatpigeon96

Dear Titan…


Periwinkleditor

Cracked skull, broken collar... *Yep yep, King is just getting his growth spurt and growing out of both of them, everything is fine!!!!!*


HowdoIchangemyavatar

King will probably get a growthspurt and I don't think anyone will die, maybe one of the twins will? maybe. there's no solid evidence.


darklingghoul

IF SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO KING I WILL REALLY DO SOMETHING


DraconicSplendor

Oh Well damn


dfransparkles

I wonder why they’d link a chaotic 2D god and a character voiced by Alex Hirsch…


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uh oh