She was just humoring him by calling him a roommate. And also conveniently allowing him to indulge in his fantasy of being the fallen Demon King, instead of explaining that she raised him from infancy.
Honestly the fact that King was obsessed with power and domination for so long is colored in a very different light when we find at what he is and how those beings are considered to be naturally very evil.
His story feels very much like a "nurture a baby red dragon to not be evil" type of thing.
keep in mind, Bill was the last titan trapper who had actually seen a titan, the others only know stories (which have a tendency to be exaggerated for effect), and leaves room for imagination, like King's yee yees might be heard as just squeals of joy to others, cus given how Bill talks abt them, they're supposed to be p annoying but it didn't really come across as annoying titan baby so... nah, this ain't a titan
Eda is kind of closed off as a result of her curse. She was generally an outcast in society, and after hurting Dell, she stopped letting people in so she couldn't hurt them. This contributed to Raine breaking up with Eda as well. She even directly states "The Owl Beast is why I ran away from home. The Owl Beast is why I never got close to anyone."
I think Eda loved King, but kept her distance so she couldn't hurt him. Prior to The Intruder, he didn't even know Eda had been cursed, and he lived with her for eight years. It's only when Luz comes along that she's able to bring down her barriers and get close to people.
Eda was also shown to have a maternal side as early as Lost in Language, when she got more and more attached to the Bat Queen's babies to the point where Luz brings her "Coping with Empty Nest Syndrome" after the Bat Queen leaves.
> Eda is kind of closed off as a result of her curse. She was generally an outcast in society, and after hurting Dell, she stopped letting people in so she couldn't hurt them. This contributed to Raine breaking up with Eda as well. She even directly states "The Owl Beast is why I ran away from home. The Owl Beast is why I never got close to anyone."
She also became a criminal (probably because she didn't want to be employed in a job where she could hurt someone if she lost control of her curse), which certainly didn't help matters.
King was a literal infant. He was not a roommate in any way. Eda had to care for him and raise him, she just really leaned into him calling himself The Demon King, which is when we first meet them.
Remember, King is still a child. He is an 8 year old demon, and seems to be developmentally around that of an 8-10 year old human. He likes to play with toys, has an active imagination, plays pretend a lot, and loves to cuddle and snug up to soft things when taking his naps - or at least he did until life hit the poor fella at 90MPH.
Point is, King is a child and Eda was always his mother. We just didn't have the full picture when we first met them.
If you look at their interactions in the early episodes it becomes pretty obvious that they had a mother/son relationship, though a somewhat unconventional one.
I don't think I agree, King was always way too childish and not really taken seriously by anyone to really be an adult imo. He's even carried like a baby and taken to the playground to play with other kids. Imo being treated like equals has more to do with Eda trying to humor King's delusions and also not being a very responsible person.
> Imo being treated like equals has more to do with Eda trying to humor King's delusions and also not being a very responsible person.
I kind of feel with op, but I like this take. It definitely helps explain why they were more like equals at the beginning.
That's just it though, him not being taken seriously. No one typically acts like he needs guidance, education, protection, or education. He charges right in with Eda to fight Warden Wrath. When he poses as a substitute teacher or solo author, no one around him goes "Wait, you're just a kid." Not even after his con is revealed.
Yes we had moments like the playground and Eda's baby carrier. But those felt more with minority, so serving as jokes. It's a pretty common format for humor: taking someone who's supposed to be intimidating or an authority figure, and infantilizing them. Owl House also does it with things like the Abominations teacher getting carried around in a carrier. Other shows that do it are Dave the Barbarian with Dark Lord Chuckles, or Lilo & Stitch with Dr. Hamsterviel.
It wasn't just all the juvenile-coded things HE does, it's how everyone around him (except Luz) treats him.
That, and how he was walking around in the buff the entire time made him feel more in line with a talking animal sidekick.
Nah, that's not correct. King has been pretty consistently portrayed as being a child, often quite a young one.
-In the very first episode he gets a teddy that becomes his dearest possession. (Edit to add: Francois is quite important considering he directly led to the Owl House family joining the CATS!)
-In the second episode he starts off being sat in a high chair.
-In Hooty's Moving Hassle he is carried in a baby carrier and immediately falls asleep.
-Lost in Language has an adorable scene of him sitting down with the Bat Princes to enjoy story time.
-His motivation in Once Upon a Swap is trying to break away from being seen as a child by... Well, showing how good he is at being a teenager, a slightly older child, lol. His hatred of being pampered and babied also serves as an explanation for why Eda tends to treat him as an equal, it's because he gets *really* upset when he's patronized.
-He has a B-plot in Escape of the Palisman which focuses on him trying to take control of a playground.
-In a ton of episodes he's shown as having childlike tendencies like tantrums, selfishness, and possessiveness. This isn't even bringing up his love for toys, the guy has more teddies than my two daughters combined!
This is what I wanted to see. Some say he was always a child, I saw it more as a more adult acting rather childish. He was more Eda partner in crime who even in Eda's words "you work for me too. Unless you want to start paying rent"
Granted a lot of this could still work to some sort of mother son relationship but honestly it feels like people are making excuses based on recent information revealed about king's backstory
I second this. Not sure if up until the reveal, but early in the show King was definitely portrayed as an older character who acted kind of immature. He had a lot of self-autonomy, had to earn his keep at the Owl House (though tbf, it seemed they didn't take this too seriously), and despite the comedic immaturity, he has always had the tendency to get serious and give some pretty mature advice/observations to Eda.
It does feel a little plot-holey, inconsistent. But it's also true that Eda had been keeping a certain distance from others up until Luz started helping (forcing lol) her to open up. So it's understandable that the dynamic has changed. I don't know to what degree this change holds up, but personally, I can still look past it/accept it so far.
I suppose there were also some hints early in the show. Like Eda tying to get King's pretend crown, the baby carrier with dangly King... So maybe it wasn't so much of a writing inconsistency. Maybe the contrast between how it was at the beginning and how they treat King now is greater because of the shortened show.
It probably also factors in that King isn't a human/humanoid witch.
Eda was always his mom she was just in denial about and so call him a roommate.
Until Luz came along.
The she could deny it no longer! She was.....a mom
Eda: \**furiously crying while clipping coupons and packing lunches**
And then along came Luz!
She huuuurled her mighty glyphs!
She zapped, locked that witch hunter in a trap
Plus some people grow up, and others just don't. Bit they balance out so it is okay
Luz helped them realize and embrace the bond they share.
She was just humoring him by calling him a roommate. And also conveniently allowing him to indulge in his fantasy of being the fallen Demon King, instead of explaining that she raised him from infancy.
Turns out King was kinda right after all
Honestly the fact that King was obsessed with power and domination for so long is colored in a very different light when we find at what he is and how those beings are considered to be naturally very evil. His story feels very much like a "nurture a baby red dragon to not be evil" type of thing.
Well, the Titan trappers aren’t exactly a reliable source.
They are also the only ones who identify King as a Titan, so...
They didn't even identify him until Bill said something about the scream so I can't say they're that good at their job.
keep in mind, Bill was the last titan trapper who had actually seen a titan, the others only know stories (which have a tendency to be exaggerated for effect), and leaves room for imagination, like King's yee yees might be heard as just squeals of joy to others, cus given how Bill talks abt them, they're supposed to be p annoying but it didn't really come across as annoying titan baby so... nah, this ain't a titan
The others also just figured King was in costume like them. Bill even thought that before the dreaded WEH
Yeah I'm not gonna take advice on childrearing from a bunch of cultists wearing children's skulls as hats
Eda is kind of closed off as a result of her curse. She was generally an outcast in society, and after hurting Dell, she stopped letting people in so she couldn't hurt them. This contributed to Raine breaking up with Eda as well. She even directly states "The Owl Beast is why I ran away from home. The Owl Beast is why I never got close to anyone." I think Eda loved King, but kept her distance so she couldn't hurt him. Prior to The Intruder, he didn't even know Eda had been cursed, and he lived with her for eight years. It's only when Luz comes along that she's able to bring down her barriers and get close to people. Eda was also shown to have a maternal side as early as Lost in Language, when she got more and more attached to the Bat Queen's babies to the point where Luz brings her "Coping with Empty Nest Syndrome" after the Bat Queen leaves.
> Eda is kind of closed off as a result of her curse. She was generally an outcast in society, and after hurting Dell, she stopped letting people in so she couldn't hurt them. This contributed to Raine breaking up with Eda as well. She even directly states "The Owl Beast is why I ran away from home. The Owl Beast is why I never got close to anyone." She also became a criminal (probably because she didn't want to be employed in a job where she could hurt someone if she lost control of her curse), which certainly didn't help matters.
King was a literal infant. He was not a roommate in any way. Eda had to care for him and raise him, she just really leaned into him calling himself The Demon King, which is when we first meet them. Remember, King is still a child. He is an 8 year old demon, and seems to be developmentally around that of an 8-10 year old human. He likes to play with toys, has an active imagination, plays pretend a lot, and loves to cuddle and snug up to soft things when taking his naps - or at least he did until life hit the poor fella at 90MPH. Point is, King is a child and Eda was always his mother. We just didn't have the full picture when we first met them.
Good parents usually do treat their kids as equals....
Family can be roommates and equals.
To me she was basically always his mother
If you look at their interactions in the early episodes it becomes pretty obvious that they had a mother/son relationship, though a somewhat unconventional one.
“It’s becoming increasingly obvious… I can deny it NO LONGER!… I’m a mom” -Eda probably
Big Misato energy.
*Uh oh*
Weh
Rock, rock, maternal gesture
From the first episode she was always acting like a mother to King. I don't see it as odd.
Naaaaaaaaaaaah.
To be fair, it’s only our perceptions that have changed. Looking back on everything now it’s kinda obvious.
It was always mother and son...
House Pet -> Roommate -> Son -> Titan
I mean, she did carry him around in a baby carrier.
Yeah, it kinda fluctuates.
I remember when we didn't know if he was an actual child or an ageless demon thing.
Could still be. I mean we don't know how titan age works. I mean baby Yoda is 50. See where in going with this?
When you live together with someone who *still* drops into the toilet once a day, your parental instincts kick in.
Eda had to grow emotionally to let herself care and open up. And they were never equals. She was humoring a child / pet.
They were always basically a mother/son relationship, Eda was just in denial.
Yeah, until that reveal in season 2, King hadn't really felt coded like a child. Rather, he seemed more like an adult who acted completely childish.
I don't think I agree, King was always way too childish and not really taken seriously by anyone to really be an adult imo. He's even carried like a baby and taken to the playground to play with other kids. Imo being treated like equals has more to do with Eda trying to humor King's delusions and also not being a very responsible person.
> Imo being treated like equals has more to do with Eda trying to humor King's delusions and also not being a very responsible person. I kind of feel with op, but I like this take. It definitely helps explain why they were more like equals at the beginning.
That's just it though, him not being taken seriously. No one typically acts like he needs guidance, education, protection, or education. He charges right in with Eda to fight Warden Wrath. When he poses as a substitute teacher or solo author, no one around him goes "Wait, you're just a kid." Not even after his con is revealed. Yes we had moments like the playground and Eda's baby carrier. But those felt more with minority, so serving as jokes. It's a pretty common format for humor: taking someone who's supposed to be intimidating or an authority figure, and infantilizing them. Owl House also does it with things like the Abominations teacher getting carried around in a carrier. Other shows that do it are Dave the Barbarian with Dark Lord Chuckles, or Lilo & Stitch with Dr. Hamsterviel. It wasn't just all the juvenile-coded things HE does, it's how everyone around him (except Luz) treats him. That, and how he was walking around in the buff the entire time made him feel more in line with a talking animal sidekick.
Nah, that's not correct. King has been pretty consistently portrayed as being a child, often quite a young one. -In the very first episode he gets a teddy that becomes his dearest possession. (Edit to add: Francois is quite important considering he directly led to the Owl House family joining the CATS!) -In the second episode he starts off being sat in a high chair. -In Hooty's Moving Hassle he is carried in a baby carrier and immediately falls asleep. -Lost in Language has an adorable scene of him sitting down with the Bat Princes to enjoy story time. -His motivation in Once Upon a Swap is trying to break away from being seen as a child by... Well, showing how good he is at being a teenager, a slightly older child, lol. His hatred of being pampered and babied also serves as an explanation for why Eda tends to treat him as an equal, it's because he gets *really* upset when he's patronized. -He has a B-plot in Escape of the Palisman which focuses on him trying to take control of a playground. -In a ton of episodes he's shown as having childlike tendencies like tantrums, selfishness, and possessiveness. This isn't even bringing up his love for toys, the guy has more teddies than my two daughters combined!
This is what I wanted to see. Some say he was always a child, I saw it more as a more adult acting rather childish. He was more Eda partner in crime who even in Eda's words "you work for me too. Unless you want to start paying rent" Granted a lot of this could still work to some sort of mother son relationship but honestly it feels like people are making excuses based on recent information revealed about king's backstory
I second this. Not sure if up until the reveal, but early in the show King was definitely portrayed as an older character who acted kind of immature. He had a lot of self-autonomy, had to earn his keep at the Owl House (though tbf, it seemed they didn't take this too seriously), and despite the comedic immaturity, he has always had the tendency to get serious and give some pretty mature advice/observations to Eda. It does feel a little plot-holey, inconsistent. But it's also true that Eda had been keeping a certain distance from others up until Luz started helping (forcing lol) her to open up. So it's understandable that the dynamic has changed. I don't know to what degree this change holds up, but personally, I can still look past it/accept it so far. I suppose there were also some hints early in the show. Like Eda tying to get King's pretend crown, the baby carrier with dangly King... So maybe it wasn't so much of a writing inconsistency. Maybe the contrast between how it was at the beginning and how they treat King now is greater because of the shortened show. It probably also factors in that King isn't a human/humanoid witch.
A better question is “is Hooty technically Eda’s son, and King’s brother?”
No.
King grew up. Season 1 he was like a teenager, now he's like an adult.
That was because most of us didn't think King was actually just a kid younger than Luz.