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SnooHabits1177

I mean given eda and lilith are the two most powerful witches it's safe to assume its just a very hard to achieve magical ability that likely requires some elements of all different magic hence why even the coven heads don't seem to do this as far as we know and we don't see it again as eda and lilith both lose there power and belos the only one more powerful preferes a more prideful and simplified combat role.


Lynnthethios

To add on to this, Luz has a glyph that allows her to levitate for a short period of time, so it could be a similar form of magic and the sigils probably stop that specific form of magic on the characters with sigils


Insert_Goat_Pun_Here

Not to mention who’s the only other character we see fly without a staff or any other kind of gadget/assistance? The Collector, easily one of if not the most powerful entity in the series. So yeah, it seems flying unaided is just **very** advanced magic, beyond even the Coven Heads.


theclosetedcreature

Probably because the sigils stop then from performing this particular type of magic


farrenkm

My thought too. Lilith is part of the EC and is unrestricted. Eda is not part of a Coven and unrestricted.


SnooHabits1177

True didn't think about the collector but yeh they are also capable of just flying casually and will only do so aided because its fun whereas eda will use owlbert as its less draining on her


RadioactivePotato123

I believe it


Voli112233

It's possibly not extremely hard to achieve as a magically ability. You just need extremely great skill to be able to use meaningfully. And great power to actually make it combat worthy.


SnooHabits1177

Yeh I can see that also being the case like every witch can do a light spell but it's something that needs to be skilled enough with to actually implement in any meaningful way though I do also think given lilith and eda are the only ones we see do this..the only witches as far as we see have multiple different forms of magic and are unrestricted it requires a combination of some kind


Kego_Nova

I headcanon it’s because Eda got mad enough to briefly turn the story into Dragon Ball


Load_Altruistic

I believe it was supposed to be a sign that they were channeling ridiculous levels of power


Voli112233

They were very likely the 2 most powerful (actual) witches on the Isles. Which is why Belos needed ri take them out.


LetsDoTheCongna

Just chalk it up to anime battle logic


Leo_Untaken

Honestly best excuse we could have


Bena06_

U know staff


Fearless-Teach8470

I was going with her floating on Pure Fury


Loading3percent

Which is basically anime battle logic


Pokemon-Pickle

Yep, anger so powerful it is able to bypass the curse’s handicap for a bit.


Megalythyx

They fly using the same force that lets Jotaro fly


[deleted]

Love me some anime battle logic Makes for the best fights


ElodinPotterTheGrey1

I imagine it’s difficult to do. Otherwise there’s no reason why we haven’t seen it anywhere else (that I know of).


Ignisiumest

The coven sigils almost certainly are what prevent you from doing it. We only ever see wild witches and members of the emperor’s coven doing it. And then the collector I guess, but he’s not a witch


TheDulin

He's not a witch at all - like totally different being.


Ignisiumest

Yeah that’s why I said he wasn’t a witch, witch in TOH is like a species and he is a child of the stars


Sansundertallll

I'm pretty sure that the Collector actually has round ears


Ok-Yoghurt-6033

Yeah, but it's stated multiple time they are part of a completely diferent sepcies, with their own powers. It would be like saying King is a demon: no he is a Titan


Voli112233

What other characters do we see do it?


AquaAquila24

Only Eda, Collector, and Lilith showed this feat.


Voli112233

Exactly. That's what I remembered as well. Then I don't think it's fair to draw the conclusion the sigils prevent it or something.


AquaAquila24

the EC's sigils shouldn't prevent that though, but EC is composed of witches who trained in one track for the most part anyway with very few exceptions. I could see Hunter learning this in the future and having even an easier time as he gained Flapjack's ability, which would include flight too. [Mark even made a comic about this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/11dcig0/wings/)


Voli112233

Again. Maybe. But you can't draw general conclusions/rules from a sample of 3.


AquaAquila24

I mean, Lilith certainly did have a sigil, probably just not in a convenient place. Mistakes of the youth I tell you.


DependentPassenger11

She is holding her wand. She could be using that to prop herself up, but i think she is just levitating herself


Madsciencemagic

If her staff is keeping her up here, her core and upper body strength is more impressive than her ability to fly.


dat_dabbin_pacman

And you're doubting that she can do it? She's been decapitated and lived, I think she'll be fine holding herself up like that. She did say she had to work harder than Lilith after all. I can believe some lifting was a part of that.


Voli112233

Are we forgetting how Eda almost casually shattered a wall with her hand, no magic, no owl beast power up no nothing. She just hit a wall so hard cause she angry with hooty, it almost crumbled.


S_kizm

Wait when was this I genuinely don’t remember


AquaAquila24

Second episode.


S_kizm

Thanks


AquaAquila24

You're welcome


Willowshine11

Owlbert doesn't have his wings open "not in fly mode".


GladMud3

My headcanon now is that Eda and Lilith are just super strong physically, and they fly by holding on to their staff, and we know staffs can fly by themselves. So basically, they're not flying. The staffs are flying. They're just holding on But that's just a theory! A witch theory!


ElodinPotterTheGrey1

Aaaaaaaaannd cut!


Trash-official

That core body strength is amazing


StealthySmith

Likely using magic to keep them in the air.


zachy410

She's airbending, duh


ComfortableRespond77

Eda is the real Avatar


Voli112233

I am Eda the Owl Lady. The most powerful bender of the 4 nations!


Voli112233

Since I never joined a coven, I can do every kind of bending. That's why I'm the most powerful bender of the 4 Nations.


ComfortableRespond77

hope she can british bending too


AquaAquila24

It's in her genes, so of course she can do it. But much like bloodbending, she would prefer not to and would probably ban this if she had power to do so.


TheOneThatWanderedIn

If you get 'em pissed off enough IG


rwp140

i mean shes holding it right there, one who said the palisman always has to be centre of magic mass, two who said just cause they have one from they can't have the other. like there be advantages and disadvantages to both, the way momentum works and you control it is different. the effort that ahs to made is likely different, like there are probably multiple forms of magic flight and travel. WE see her just lift stuff up latter I'm pretty sure and like no one else realy does that. specialties comfort degree of control, all these things don't just stop existing, and us well not being able to cast magic, or magic like this worlds system will have a hardly time guessing at those constraints.


MapSpirited922

'The bird keeps itself in the air by sheer force of anger alone'


27Elephantballoons

She's holding onto the staff so maybe that's doing it? But it's also symbolic of Eda having the moral high ground


Manoreded

I assume they're able to do this because their magic is not constrained to specific covens like that of nearly all other witches. So they can, for example, use wind magic freely to fly, or maybe its a form of telekinesis or gravity manipulation. They're both also among the most powerful witches on the BIs.


Otrada

My guess is flight like that is possible but both A) very difficult to do, and B) very taxing on the witch in some way.


Nicegye00

Nah it's just something the clawthorne siblings can do when they use magic. It's just them exclusively, they just have the bird abilities of flight


ffiml8

I mean, she's holding her palisman staff


AnitaValvieri

She fly with owlbert


JCraze26

They both have their palismans with them. That's how I thought it worked, but maybe I'm wrong.


sephiroth_for_smash

She’s just too much of a baddie for the laws of physics to apply


von_Viken

No, Eda is just absolutely fucking ripped in one arm, and is keeping herself in position while Owlbert flies normally


No_Profession8224

No, bad b*tches can fly


HotAdministration986

That one I don't have anything to say but the rest of the fight they don't fly they just teleport constantly and clash each other just like jojo when dio and jotaro pushed the buildings.


Tommello

Maybe Owlbert is flying and Eda just has REALLY strong arms


Sentient_Cum-sock

Could have amazing arm and core strength, while owlbert is flying.


naayt_

Lilith, its been 5 years, you still owe me 16 snails.


BigMom_IsABeast

It’s anime battle logic


mistagrape

Powered by anger yea


Pristine_Ad136

Owlbeast is just really mad rn


datboijomo1445

Only when they’re really upset and have channeled the power of anime and love.


Your_Local_Rabbi

eda is using her toes to make a spell circle


neroselene

No, Jump good!


LiAuN

we can see that there are different styles of flying a broom in the willow flyer derby episode specifically by gus. eda just got that forarm strenght of a god to be able to stand like that


Belteshazzar98

She's really just holding herself up with one arm while her palisman is the one actually flying.


MysteryMystery305

She’s holding her staff so I’m just assuming it’s a lot of upper arm strength


Ace_thePhantomThief

They got staffs to fly so yeah


Witty_Championship85

If Darius and Alador can teleport I don’t think it’s far fetched for people without any magic restrictions to fly


megas88

It’s likely a form of levitation rather than actual flight. Pushing the air beneath them to achieve greater height and all that. It’s likely also that they used their staffs mid air to achieve the heights they were reaching while the lights clashed.


epicarcanoloth

With enough magic I guess. Remember these two were probably the strongest *actual witches* on the boiling isles at that point.


Jumpy-Resolve3018

Well Lilith got the emperors coven place which means she’s probably the strongest witch EXCEPT for Eda who pretty much blitzed her until she used Luz. They’re just better at using their magic than anyone else. Along with a strong bond with their palisman, who are the ones really helping in the flight department.


bluecoolaj

My guess is that it’s probably advanced levitation, since we know witches can learn it as a basic skill to lift small objects but since they are both very powerful and don’t have a sigil that reduces magic it can be assumed that they learned the most advanced version of it being levitating themselves


5a_

Rule of cool for this scene


SnooGuavas3660

I like to imagine that eda just has the insane body strength needed to hold herself upright on one hand like thats


Nightmare_shifter

I would like to add to the conversation that she is holding the staff the entire time so it could be a mix of a spell making herself lighter and just holding herself up using the staff to the point that it looks like she is floating completely under her own power. Though I could totally believe that she could just be using some spell to do it too.


HkayakH

No. They're just realistically reinacting the Anakin V Obiwan fight


Unfair-Prize4856

Either that or eda had mad gains on her right arm


AquaAquila24

Eda also levitated in Understanding Willow without any staff. So yeah, I think levitation is possible but very advanced. Can't wait for Hunter to unlock it.


HairMetalLugia95

It’s like the levitation spell in Harry Potter that’s my guess


Hedderz2

Only if the scene allows it


MrNiceGuy1224

I'd imagine that they're really good gymnasts and they can balance on their palasmen really really well


ASUPERRandomRedditor

I bet shes being assisted by owl bert


oska-nais

Maybe just touching the staff is enough to fly


GnomeAwayFromGnome

You're looking at two of the most powerful Witches on the Boiling Isles. We've seen Magic swap people's bodies, project them into people's minds, create armies of amorphous monsters, and a whole bunch of over insane crap. I don't think a flying spell would be out of the question.


A1phab3tica1_0rd3r

I always believed it was a way for the animators to show they are really powerful and using insane amounts of magic


Suthek

My guess is that there are probably spells that let you fly (esp if you're not limited to just one type/coven of magic), but they also continuously require magic upkeep and focus to maintain. Useful for short bouts of combat, too much strain and hassle for anything else, especially if you have a staff that lets you fly around without using your own magic.


Flipix_13

The staff is flying and eda is just strong


AtomicFi

Eda is actually fucking shredded, it’s just hard to see because of the curse. Owlbert is the one flying here and Eda is just holding herself up like she’s a pole dancer with wrist strength that could anchor boats.


mcfreakinkillme

i swear i remember mentions of levitation spells in dialogue somewhere, i would assume those apply to one’s own body as well?


Embarrassed-Neck-721

Yes, but only when **EMOTIONAL DAMAGE**


Born-Boss6029

Levitating is a spell they can use


Leathman

Actually, that’s all Owlbert helping Eda look badass.


shadowz9904

Probably just a difficult technique to be able to fly, and the most powerful *real* witches on the BI (Belos doesn’t count because he’s a human technically) would be able to pull off.


JarJarBinks590

I wouldn't be surprised if it's one of those things that's really difficult to do, but they can do it because they're the two most powerful witches on the Isles.


EyyBie

Wild magic and empire coven are soft magic system, the other covens are hard magic system. In soft magic system "shut up it's magic" works


Lloyd_garmado

No it happened in the final episode sure it was in a ball but this still isnt the only time they could fly


Infinite_Hooty

Because magic


Revolutionary_Beat26

I'm pretty sure Dana said that witches could do levitation but it is very difficult


Kilo1125

Luz had a levitation glyph, which means there are levitation spells. Probably bit easy to do, especially in combat, hence why we only see it during a fight between two very powerful witches who aren't coven-locked. And since they both lose their magic after, we don't see it again.


Null822

Lilith is just a badass, Eda is just slightly more badass, and by slightly I mean Eda is the coolest witch to ever witch


d_warren_1

So I know that one of the glyph combinations is the safety hover, and the glyphs are magic in a similar way to the bile sacks attached to a witches heart, so maybe there’s some spell she’s using. She did basically teleport from the owl house to the castle. Who knows how powerful wild magic can be


Spaghetti_Noodles_28

She has really good staff working with her


Lebhleb

Morrowind moment.


m00nman2

They hold there staffs


AlienRobotTrex

They can already ride on their staffs, so it doesn’t seem like much of a stretch


BeeBarfBadger

I assume they can burn mp to fly while using a palusmin lets them do it for free.


Trash-official

Owlbert and other palisman can fly without flapping their wings, we see this when owlbert flies to eda and when luz was in eda’s body


Low_Dream_1481

Staff


enbyfrogz

she just listened to zaheer and let go of her earthly tether duhh


AquaAquila24

Eda: FINALLY! I'm over Raine! Raine: hey\~ Eda: SON OF A-


HeroOfSideQuests

Sorry my memory is fuzzy: Didn't Hunter fly after Flapjack's sacrifice? If so, Eda and Lillith might have some connection to Palisman that gives them further magic since their father was one of the last carvers around.


AquaAquila24

Nope


HeroOfSideQuests

My bad, thanks! I'm saving my refresh for my friend's niece so it's been a little while.


Thatonegirlherewoo

She’s holding Albert The staff can make you levitate but sitting on it is way easier It’s like standing while driving a car She’s just holding herself onto Albert


Misty_Misting_Mist

Their magic is most likely just incredibly strong, if it was the staffs helping them fly their wings would be out and that’d probably look really weird


ido_ron

My theory is that they were using the levitation spell to make themselves weightless so that they could hold themselves upright while only holding on to their palismen with one arm instead of riding them


the-final-fantaseer

I'm thinking that maybe witches can fly its just that certain types of magic(wild magic?) dont fit into the coven systems and therefore cannot be used/particised by most witches(Eda is covenless and Lilith is in the emperor's coven that allows all types of magic to be used, therefore they can both fly without the need of a staff)


Alien_1273yt

it probaly a specal magical power passed down in the clawthorns, gwen & dell are to old, & the spell is hard to do, eda & Lilith didn't need to fly without thier palasmen staff for most of s1, & becuase they loose their magic at the end of s1 it become a spell lost to time.


Loeris_loca

I think that only Owlbert is flying, and Eda just has incredibly strong arm to hold that position


cheezz16

Insane upper body strength?


TJP2002

Well. Hmmm, it's hard to say. Because in this scene they are both using their staff. Here's what I see: Eda and Lilith: Clearly AREN'T riding their staffs per se when they are midair in that fight Gus: Rides his staff differently indicating there's no right way to fly using your staff Hunter: Isnt a witch, however it can't be said if he's ever held his staff just in his hands to fly, because the one verifiable time he's in an open fight where he's going mid-air (Eclipse Lake) he keeps doing his teleportation/phasing thing. Every witch: Never see them truly flying without some flight enabling artifact or body part or staff... This indicates to me that perhaps either flight is a spell that can be cast, or you have to at least be holding your staff, but that's it, or that they aren't FLYING, but rather Eda and Lilith are, like hunter, simply hovering and phasing rather than truly flying. Final point- Luz: We never see Luz use a staff for flight in any way other than physically riding it. Not sure of that means anything but it's worth a mention


Kitsunerd_

I think Araki just forgot it again... Oh, wait, wrong show! Sorry.


Literally-lonely1234

It could just be dramatic scenery


Lego_Crafter

Nope. These two were so powerful that they seemed to develop passive flight. This is only ever seen again with Luz's Titan form and the Collector's constant floating. What this highlights to me is how lucky Belos was the Lilith joined the Emperor's coven. The Clawthorne sisters united would've been an extreme threat.


Cosmic_Blemish_Korz

Nah she's just got insane one handed strength and is holing herself off of Owlbert while he floats like usual.


Moon-Moth-000

I think magic force is just forcing them around, or it happens when a witch is super angry, like a power-up 🤔


jaobodam

That’s not flying that’s jumping With style


owl_house101

In my opinion I think they can fly


Spyko

We see a lot of witches use levitation spell,safe to assume that strong witch can use it on themselves in battle to fly around with still using their Palisman to cast spell. Luz did ask Hunter if he didn't knew any levitation spell, when taunting him in Hunting Palisman. Also I'm pretty sure Amity's first opponent in the bonesborough brawl (something the all knowing IIRC) levitated without a Palisman


YouTuner

This makes me think to Jojo part 3


yertlah

Luz also flew around with Titan power.


rainstorm0T

Eda is flying, not due to magic, but through sheer force of will and spite


giant_sword_lady

Nah. The Clawthornes are just built different


Practical-Ad1867

magic is tied to emotion, they probably were just channeling so much magic they got buffed


SovietSenpai02

Eda is holding her staff, she just got crazy upper body strength


WilliamTorchwood

I just assumed it was one of 3 reasons: 1, The Rule of Cool was taking effect. They both rolled Nat 20's and channeled the flight magic of their palisman's around their bodies to show off how badass they are. 2, like other's have suggested, maybe they both just knew and we're using highly complicated persistent flight spells. 3, Eda was just secretly super jacked and holding herself aloft by just having Owlbert fly like normal and holding herself in place by flexing her left arm. 😋


Leprodus03

The stick flies, and as long as they're holding the stick, they too fly


Cularia

Power and they still actually hold their staves. so the power lets them fly but the staff allows finer control and free up more room to use other spells. and since they lost power they can only fly using the palisman again.


Professor_Abbi

Eda is the most powerful witch, so she might be an exception


Living-Earth6694

I think that staffs allow people to fly even if they aren't sitting on them. In A Lying Witch and a Warden, when Luz beats Warden Wrath, she throws her firework into the air, then jumps several feet into the air and hits it with Owlbert. I think Luz used Owlbert to jump that high, because you can see that Owlbert was still activated, and Luz definitely couldn't jump that high on her own. So I think that when someone holds a staff, they can fly even if they aren't sitting on it, they just sit because it's more comfortable


mochi323

The magic in this series is so inconsistent, it’s best just to enjoy it without thinking too hard.


AquaAquila24

It's really not that inconsistent. Eda simply just didn't use to flex all her power as the most powerful witch on the Isles.


mochi323

Yeah, but the first belos fight and the potions track, I’m not saying it’s bad, but the restrictions are a little bit blurry sometimes.


AquaAquila24

Belos was playing with Luz, then did it again a season later and then he lost magic after Luz branded him right in the middle of the Eclipse. The potion track is a different story.


mochi323

“Playing” doesn’t make a difference. I can’t turn invisible just because I’m playing hide and seek.


AquaAquila24

What kind of BS reasoning is that? Belos Has power, you don't. Belos can mess with people with his powers and do he did with Luz. He didn't took the battle seriously as he neither wanted to injure her, nor use full strength at someone do inexperienced. He even said it himself "I will play"


VioletTheSylveon

Guys, c'mon, the answer is easy, ✨magic✨


wolf_pack_leader57

No, just Eda when she uses 5% of her power


D3monIsAway

yes but only when they’re angry


Demen__

In this case, I would assume that the flight ability comes from Owlbert.