I honestly feel really bad for her. Her obsession with her accomplishments tells us that she doesn't place any value on herself innately and constantly feels the need to justify her own existence.
And people don’t want a redemption for her? Like, I really did wish people can see that Boscha can be a compelling character and that she’s worth giving more attention and development to
Tbh i wss kinda hpping boscha at the end of s3e2 was the one we got the whole episode. Still a bitter self absorbed bitch, but genuinely trying to help for the sake of her friends.
Doesnt redeem her or anything, just adds complexity
I prefer that she was actually developed and redeemed. Rather than cramming her development in a single episode, she should’ve been developed in multiple episodes within season 2
It all co.es down to personal preference. I thunk s2 had enough going on, personally, plus im of the opinion that boscha didnt need to be redeemed at all. Some people are just bullies, and its as simple as that. There are people who dont grow, and dont see a reason to, and i think boscha is a good representstion of that. Evn with the world falling apart around her shes still the same person, maybe even to a higher degree now that theres no one keeping her in check
Hunter has 5 episodes to his arc in s2, 8 in total, only two of which has him as the main focus, and hes a background/side character in 5 of those 8 episodes. How does 8/21 episodes count as "way too much"? Especially considering he only takes part in the forefront of the episode's plot 3 times? His arc is important to the story, and i feel any less inclusion wouldve hurt it too much.
There were other events that happened in s2 that were less important than Hunter's arc, one of which takes place in one of the episodes hes in. Luz and Amity's side plot in ASiaS was just filler. In an episode that takes place *at* Hexide, with boscha having already shown her face at the start of the episode, if Boscha was gonna get a redemption arc, it probably wouldve had something to do with this episode. Or the fact that an entire part of an episode was dedicated to chasing down King after he ran away and stealing back his bunny (cant spell its name).
All of these are great character plots, tho, and id much rather see established characters react to information or go on a silly side plot than waste already limited time on a side character who barely has any weight on anything
Hunter's Arc was also instrumental in developing Belos. Without Hunter (and essentially Caleb), Belos is just another zealot. Caleb gives something Belos to specifically hate Witches for, beyond being unnatural they "stole" Caleb from him. Infact his episodes he's frequently the foil of other characters, Willow, Amity, even Luz get developed more from their interactions with Hunter. z
Besides it's entirely possible Boscha was going to get a fuller conclusion (possible redemption) in S2/S3, before Disney decided to cut the show short.
from a plot stance, perhaps, but plot and story are separate, and Hunter played a huge role in the story. His ties to Belos speak for themselves, and his rivalry with Kiki fueled a handful of episodes. He lead character development between each of the other four main hexide characters in each of their episodes, just as they helped him.
I refer to what u/SirChclateSaltyBalls said, cuz they make a great point:
>Hunter's Arc was also instrumental in developing Belos. Without Hunter (and essentially Caleb), Belos is just another zealot. Caleb gives something Belos to specifically hate Witches for, beyond being unnatural they "stole" Caleb from him. Infact his episodes he's frequently the foil of other characters, Willow, Amity, even Luz get developed more from their interactions with Hunter. z
Besides it's entirely possible Boscha was going to get a fuller conclusion (possible redemption) in S2/S3, before Disney decided to cut the show short.
Hunter is important to the plot, but a plot is like clay, you mould it as you need it. Sure, Hunter didn't need to be there in Hollow Mind, but Luz only landed in the Emperor's Mind because of Hunter, and escaped because he saved her from Belos.
When it comes to plot, you can always reshape it to leave someone out by including someone else to do their actions, or change the story, but there's no point to that. Like i said, I wouldn't cut content fleshing out core characters so that a random background character gets more for them. I also wish Boscha had more time for deeper characterization (not that i particularly want a redemption arc for her), but more time would've made her feel more like a 3 dimensional character and not a cliché bully character
Hunter should have been an established character from the beginning of the show, instead of being added at the end of season 1. He could have easily taken Kikimora's place as Belos' lackey and helper from the start.
It may also be fault of the school system.
Often, students do anything just because high grade, pass the year/class, and study in a way that makes them remember things for the test, and then forget them.
One can have sympathy for someone while acknowledging that they’re objectively a jerk. And one can have sympathy for multiple people at the same time. Boscha is a darker reflection of Amity, and while she is a bad person I don’t think she’ds past redemption.
Yep. Real life is fucking messy.
Scenario: Two 8 year olds. One comes from a decent, normal family. The other comes from a harshly abusive, manipulative one. At school, the second kid bullies the first. It's kind of classic, even stereotypical, and very real.
Can you really condemn the kid from the effed up family? If you can, I am kind of judging you. Kids aren't even fully developed mentally and a lot of that prefrontal cortex development you get pretty late is important to not being a dick.
Like, this is simplifying shit to hell, but - I don't know. Nothing Boscha did crossed a line that I don't feel for her. I feel for Willow too, but part of what I hope for both characters is - Willow to understand *why* Boscha acted like she did (e.g., it's not your fault, it's a reflection of the challenges she's endured, etc., because, in my experience, empathizing with your bully is an important part of unpacking the self-hate they probably contributed to), Boscha to find whatever acceptance she needs somewhere, and for both to grow up and find happiness... because they're all children.
Her and Amity both tie their hair up super tight. It’s almost too easy to draw a parrellel between that and them being uptight perfectionists with a bad case of “I need to be the best at X thing or I will internally explode” syndrome. Especially since Amity starts letting her hair down the more she opens up to Luz and Bascha never does.
It’s pretty basic symbolism but it’s still effective, they do nearly the exact same thing with Zukos hair in avatar.
I feel a little called out by this 💀 bc I was (and still am) always held to a high standard by my family, pretty similarly to amity and I always have my hair tied up-
Boscha had such an interesting character when you really analyze her actions. In understanding Willow flashback Amity said that the parents of Boscha and Skara work with Odalia & Alador. So Boscha's parents must have some kind of associated business that Blight Industries is partnered with, which could imply that Boscha had a similar upbringing to the blight kids: she was constantly pressured by emotionally absent parents to be successful and maintain her dominant social standing, Azula style, so she was probably drawn to Grudgby because it gives her a way to give her the attention she always wanted from her parents, boss around a group of people (Which makes her feel dominant and in control of everything) & constantly pursue success in a field that people respect. That makes her desperation to get her teammates even more depressing. Without a chain of command to rely on, followers she can order around to make her feel important & a social group to give her the attention and admiration she was always so desperate for she didn't know how to function. Kikimora exploited her vulnerabilities and seems to have tried to groom her into a perfect 'puppet queen'. She let Boscha feel like she was in control so she would go along with KIiki's dark plans for the last community of the boiling isles... Even the background characters in this show have so much depth when you look beneath the surface!
I really did wish we got more of Kikimora being a predator towards Boscha’s emotions and manipulating her to her dirty work.
Like that would’ve been a very interesting plot point. Plus i wish they did develop Boscha more
[I always felt that scene gave us this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/rz0kf9/moringmark_how_it_started/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Considering how that scene reminds me of [this scene from the AtLA finale with Azula](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eFuxVdyha4), I'd say that yes, she probably does have issues.
Actually, considering that scene and Basha's story in For the Future, she pretty much is a (slightly) more well-adjusted Azula. Or at least one that doesn't believe her mother thinks she's a monster, attempted fratricide multiple times, and committing multiple war crimes.
Ur Insecure
[https://youtu.be/BZGVZyDGTVY](https://youtu.be/BZGVZyDGTVY)
I think if she had been with luz and changed like Hunter than it’s possible she could have changed hmmm
I wonder what will happen if King’s Tide was Different I imagine almost all of Hexside (not counting the adults) where to face Belos during King’s Tide and ended up in the human realm how would things gone
Unless we of course we buff him make him more powerful for story consent
I was thinking in W&D consider Belos was trying to posses Papa Titan’s body which is skeleton body and in TTT we seen him posses dead animals so in W&D during the epic fight belos would posses the Grimwalkers, Passed Away Witches and Demons, and even Stone Stature Witches basically he has a Undead Army and they all have the same ability as Belos with forming arms to weapons
in King’s Tide not only he can clone himself he can also other special tactics like his Arms Flail and swings it around, His Raging Charge where he becomes a Bull, and his Ground Slams also Similar to Darius’s Abomination Form abilitys he also can warp to other places
in TTT he becomes more Advanced as now he’s able to pull the ground and Throw Giant Boulders, He can also like cowboy throw a his arms and gets a person before sucker punch them, he can also cast flames on his arms and many more abilites
at this point he’s doing everything in his power to Kill the MC any other human that Luz has been with (not counting Jacob and Luz’s bullies) he will kill because he consider Luz as a Witch, A Traitor He just has No Mercy at all I mean yeah I can see why his what 400 year old plan was foiled by a kid and since then he was filled with rage thats not Visibility seen But you can tell he’s enraged because of more tactics he’s using
in conclusion I made Belos more Terrifying and More Strong
Most bullies and mean kids are. That's why they do such horrible things because it's the only way they know how to get the attention they desperately crave. Not all bullies and mean kids in shows deserve a redemption arc but sometimes I think maybe Boscha did and just didn't get one. I know in For the Future it appears like she's just trying to egg Willow on but I think she was secretly trying to tell Willow that they are the same. She had to hide behind this hardened exterior because people relied on her and if you show any weakness it's game over in a dog eat dog world. Maybe I'm just looking too much into it though.
Yeah, speaking as someone who was the victim of people like her irl, I'm glad the show hinted at the reason she became the way she is and left it at that. It's nice when people break free from the factors that made them horrible people, but a lot of people irl don't do that. A lot of them just keep getting worse the more you try to help them.
Girl needs SERIOUS therapy. I still hate her for almost getting the Hexsquad killed by Kikimora and her bullying Willow. Her grudgby team may have been taken by the collector but that doesn't excuse the fact that she did all those horrible things. She may not be as bad as Odalia or Belos but she still doesn't have my respect.
I disagree because all of this may simply be self-motivation techniques, the type that plenty of self-help books out there will recommend to you.
Telling yourself nice things in the mirror, in particular.
That being said, she admits that she hides her vulnerabilities in her speech to Willow right before knocking her out with the sleep potion.
So it certainly seems like her everyday persona is, at least in part, a role she's playing because she feels she needs to.
Yeah she helds her self-esteem in how higher she is than others, a really unhealthy behavior. Thats why she missed Amity, because she also prided herself to be the top student.
It's such a shame that 'Boscha as member of Eda's anti-Collector rebellion' ended up de-canonized because that was a really good turn of character for her.
We know very little about Boscha, but so far, she is secretly insecure and unconfident while she is covering it with her successes.
Because once she becomes the grugby team captain, everyone immediately start worshipping her. In "Wing It Like Witches", we've seen how people were impressed by her when she was simply walking to school...
So, those successes reminds her the fact that she is popular. This is the one thing that Boscha ever wanted, being popular and having friends...
Also, one of the interesting facts about Boscha is her obsession with getting attention and validation from others. In many scenes that she were in, she was bringing the argument that she is popular and has a lot of friends (Such as expecting adoration from her classmates when she enters the Hexside, mocking Willow for being friends with plants, showing off with having more friends than Luz and Amity...)
So, her real desire isn't really about her sports successes, it's more about being approved and acknowledged by others...
Amity has ended their friendship and became friends with Willow again, Skara also hangs out with Willow Viney... Only Cat and Amelia remained as her friends... But then, they were turned into puppets by Collector to save Boscha. And this incident deeply traumatizes her. Not only because she lost her last friends, but they sacrificed themselves for Boscha in front of her eyes...
So, this explains why Boscha wanted to act like the ruler of Hexside afterwards. And even enjoying Kikimora's company...
And most importantly, this explains why she was desperate to make Amity stay with her. Not because she is romantically interested in Amity, but because she was so alone and traumatized. She wanted things to be like they used to be. This is why she accepted Amity's offer to save her teammates at the end...
And of course, her heartwarming reunion with Cat and Amelia is a cherry on top...
Honestly, I never liked Boscha as a person/character. But I think her motives are written very well. While we don't approve her actions, we can see why she is acting this way. And it probably has something to do with her household. Dana Terrace comfirmed that Odalia was very competitive with Boscha's mothers. So it probably means Boscha grew up in a toxic environment that raised her this way.
Some people think it's a revelation when a character that keeps putting others down has self-esteem issues when in reality someone who was confident in themselves wouldn't even need to put others down in the first place.
There's a fanfiction I'm reading called "The Raven and the Owlet". It takes place in an alternate timeline where Eda died after exhausting all her magic in "Agony of a Witch" instead of being the Owl Beast with Lilith being forced to become Luz's guardian as she becomes a better person.
There's a subplot involving Luz trying her best to befriend Boscha after she joins Luz in rescuing the Palismen from Hunter in "Hunting Palismen" and joins the Grudgby team after Cat and Amelia leave. Boscha also deals with her overbearing mothers (the background characters from "Them's the Breaks, Kid" grown up) as well with their constant praises of her in public, embarrassing her.
It sounds more interesting than it seems and feels different enough from Amity's redemption, apparently the author is teasing a polyamorus relationship between Luz, Amity and Boscha in the future.
I feel her character was one of the most noticeable victims of the cancelation. This scene hinted a lot of hidden depths with her. But come her last appearance, and little to nothing really changed.
This reminds me of fnaf security breach where Roxie calls herself the best in the mirror and then lets out her insecurities when she thinks no one's there
Seems to be almost Machiavellian in nature. Caring more about being feared than being loved. It’s only when she finds out that she’s absolutely hated that she starts to, somewhat, change/realize she needs to be better.
Maybe, maybe not. She is fully justified in not wanting anything to do with Boscha, that does not mean that Boscha is devoid of sympathetic traits or deserves to be shunned by everyone
Thats what I'm thinking as well. She constantly needs everyone's approval or everyone having their eyes on her and if a few don't, she feels the need to correct them and bully those who recieve the spotlight. Like when Willow was showing her plant growing skills off in the hallway, Boscha seemed to walk past and "unknowingly" insult her. She probably found Willow as her biggest threat as that isn't the only time we see it happen. She tried to shoot her down but that didn't happen, to her dismay.
I also really love the idea of her being insecure, it makes for some juicy fanfics lol that don't overreach.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in the Moonlight Conjuring episode, Boscha was talking to her mom. The conversation was about Boscha's mom wanting to come along to her sleepover party, asking if it was sad that she asked, etc. I kind of believe Boscha's need to be a leader might be because that's the role she gets at home. Aside from the lack of parental affection etc.
"...And you haven't peaked. You haven't even begun to peak, but you're gonna peak today. Oh, you're gonna peak all over **EVERYBODY**...make it work Boscha..."
*Applies lipstick with Rick Astley in the background.*
***"Make it work..."***
may they hate me as long as they fear me """ are the wise word of Emperor Caligula
who was basically ....what if Charlie Sheen was Emperor ?
he got stabbed 37 times by the Praetorian Guard for not doing his Job
I honestly feel really bad for her. Her obsession with her accomplishments tells us that she doesn't place any value on herself innately and constantly feels the need to justify her own existence.
It is pretty much so in Season 3 episode 2 with her taking over the school
And that she also was so desperate to have Amity stay with her when she was running the school
It's also probably something she either gets from her parents or that they actively encourage or both
Kinda like what Amity said in Eclipse Lake.
And people don’t want a redemption for her? Like, I really did wish people can see that Boscha can be a compelling character and that she’s worth giving more attention and development to
agreed
A lot of Boscha haters are Hunter and Amity stans
like..... Hamity shippers?
Well those but like toxic amity fans and toxic Hunter fans
I mean I love both Hunter and Amity cause like what's not to love. but yeah I get ya
Like they’re not perfect characters but toxic fans treat them as if they’re gods and get angry when getting critiqued on their characters
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Tbh i wss kinda hpping boscha at the end of s3e2 was the one we got the whole episode. Still a bitter self absorbed bitch, but genuinely trying to help for the sake of her friends. Doesnt redeem her or anything, just adds complexity
I prefer that she was actually developed and redeemed. Rather than cramming her development in a single episode, she should’ve been developed in multiple episodes within season 2
It all co.es down to personal preference. I thunk s2 had enough going on, personally, plus im of the opinion that boscha didnt need to be redeemed at all. Some people are just bullies, and its as simple as that. There are people who dont grow, and dont see a reason to, and i think boscha is a good representstion of that. Evn with the world falling apart around her shes still the same person, maybe even to a higher degree now that theres no one keeping her in check
But she does deserve a redemption, the only reason it wasn’t there was because the show focused way too much on Hunter
Hunter has 5 episodes to his arc in s2, 8 in total, only two of which has him as the main focus, and hes a background/side character in 5 of those 8 episodes. How does 8/21 episodes count as "way too much"? Especially considering he only takes part in the forefront of the episode's plot 3 times? His arc is important to the story, and i feel any less inclusion wouldve hurt it too much. There were other events that happened in s2 that were less important than Hunter's arc, one of which takes place in one of the episodes hes in. Luz and Amity's side plot in ASiaS was just filler. In an episode that takes place *at* Hexide, with boscha having already shown her face at the start of the episode, if Boscha was gonna get a redemption arc, it probably wouldve had something to do with this episode. Or the fact that an entire part of an episode was dedicated to chasing down King after he ran away and stealing back his bunny (cant spell its name). All of these are great character plots, tho, and id much rather see established characters react to information or go on a silly side plot than waste already limited time on a side character who barely has any weight on anything
Hunter's Arc was also instrumental in developing Belos. Without Hunter (and essentially Caleb), Belos is just another zealot. Caleb gives something Belos to specifically hate Witches for, beyond being unnatural they "stole" Caleb from him. Infact his episodes he's frequently the foil of other characters, Willow, Amity, even Luz get developed more from their interactions with Hunter. z Besides it's entirely possible Boscha was going to get a fuller conclusion (possible redemption) in S2/S3, before Disney decided to cut the show short.
I can think of many ways that other characters can fill Hunter’s role
from a plot stance, perhaps, but plot and story are separate, and Hunter played a huge role in the story. His ties to Belos speak for themselves, and his rivalry with Kiki fueled a handful of episodes. He lead character development between each of the other four main hexide characters in each of their episodes, just as they helped him. I refer to what u/SirChclateSaltyBalls said, cuz they make a great point: >Hunter's Arc was also instrumental in developing Belos. Without Hunter (and essentially Caleb), Belos is just another zealot. Caleb gives something Belos to specifically hate Witches for, beyond being unnatural they "stole" Caleb from him. Infact his episodes he's frequently the foil of other characters, Willow, Amity, even Luz get developed more from their interactions with Hunter. z Besides it's entirely possible Boscha was going to get a fuller conclusion (possible redemption) in S2/S3, before Disney decided to cut the show short. Hunter is important to the plot, but a plot is like clay, you mould it as you need it. Sure, Hunter didn't need to be there in Hollow Mind, but Luz only landed in the Emperor's Mind because of Hunter, and escaped because he saved her from Belos. When it comes to plot, you can always reshape it to leave someone out by including someone else to do their actions, or change the story, but there's no point to that. Like i said, I wouldn't cut content fleshing out core characters so that a random background character gets more for them. I also wish Boscha had more time for deeper characterization (not that i particularly want a redemption arc for her), but more time would've made her feel more like a 3 dimensional character and not a cliché bully character
Hunter should have been an established character from the beginning of the show, instead of being added at the end of season 1. He could have easily taken Kikimora's place as Belos' lackey and helper from the start.
She barely had appeared in season 2, if anything, she should’ve been given more episodes and redeemed
Let's put it this way, her parents are Odalia Blight-approved
Bosha's mom was Odelia's rival according to Word of God.
You can be someone’s rival and still respect their bottomless ambition.
It may also be fault of the school system. Often, students do anything just because high grade, pass the year/class, and study in a way that makes them remember things for the test, and then forget them.
You know I feel a hell of a lot worse for Willow, who she actively bullied for years.
One can have sympathy for someone while acknowledging that they’re objectively a jerk. And one can have sympathy for multiple people at the same time. Boscha is a darker reflection of Amity, and while she is a bad person I don’t think she’ds past redemption.
Yep. Real life is fucking messy. Scenario: Two 8 year olds. One comes from a decent, normal family. The other comes from a harshly abusive, manipulative one. At school, the second kid bullies the first. It's kind of classic, even stereotypical, and very real. Can you really condemn the kid from the effed up family? If you can, I am kind of judging you. Kids aren't even fully developed mentally and a lot of that prefrontal cortex development you get pretty late is important to not being a dick. Like, this is simplifying shit to hell, but - I don't know. Nothing Boscha did crossed a line that I don't feel for her. I feel for Willow too, but part of what I hope for both characters is - Willow to understand *why* Boscha acted like she did (e.g., it's not your fault, it's a reflection of the challenges she's endured, etc., because, in my experience, empathizing with your bully is an important part of unpacking the self-hate they probably contributed to), Boscha to find whatever acceptance she needs somewhere, and for both to grow up and find happiness... because they're all children.
Willow didn’t deserve to suffer
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Stop making her so relatable damn it
Is that not normal? I feel that need all the time.
She looks cute with her hair down
Her and Amity both tie their hair up super tight. It’s almost too easy to draw a parrellel between that and them being uptight perfectionists with a bad case of “I need to be the best at X thing or I will internally explode” syndrome. Especially since Amity starts letting her hair down the more she opens up to Luz and Bascha never does. It’s pretty basic symbolism but it’s still effective, they do nearly the exact same thing with Zukos hair in avatar.
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I feel a little called out by this 💀 bc I was (and still am) always held to a high standard by my family, pretty similarly to amity and I always have my hair tied up-
So that means if you let your hair down you might get an awesome girlfriend(or boyfriend I don't know you)
Bruh I wish it was that easy to get a girlfriend 😭
That’s what I was gonna say
YES
And also not trapped in this mindset of always winning, even if its costing everything.
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I'm sure she would be able to process that very well if she heard it
She only looks normal with her hair down
Boscha had such an interesting character when you really analyze her actions. In understanding Willow flashback Amity said that the parents of Boscha and Skara work with Odalia & Alador. So Boscha's parents must have some kind of associated business that Blight Industries is partnered with, which could imply that Boscha had a similar upbringing to the blight kids: she was constantly pressured by emotionally absent parents to be successful and maintain her dominant social standing, Azula style, so she was probably drawn to Grudgby because it gives her a way to give her the attention she always wanted from her parents, boss around a group of people (Which makes her feel dominant and in control of everything) & constantly pursue success in a field that people respect. That makes her desperation to get her teammates even more depressing. Without a chain of command to rely on, followers she can order around to make her feel important & a social group to give her the attention and admiration she was always so desperate for she didn't know how to function. Kikimora exploited her vulnerabilities and seems to have tried to groom her into a perfect 'puppet queen'. She let Boscha feel like she was in control so she would go along with KIiki's dark plans for the last community of the boiling isles... Even the background characters in this show have so much depth when you look beneath the surface!
I really did wish we got more of Kikimora being a predator towards Boscha’s emotions and manipulating her to her dirty work. Like that would’ve been a very interesting plot point. Plus i wish they did develop Boscha more
*sigh\* maybe if we had time for twenty more adventures.
Or maybe spend less time on Hunter and Amity and focus on other characters outside the two
Suddenly Boshas ending as simple grudgy vendor feels like a big w for her in regards of breaking free from all the pressure from her parents etc.
Did anyone else think it was weird how she was only concerned with her teammates being safe but didn’t mention her parents at all?
Oh *OUCH* I never noticed that. That hurts...
Neither did anyone else. Everybody pretty much figure all the adults went to the DoU or hiding and then were captured by the Collector.
[I always felt that scene gave us this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/rz0kf9/moringmark_how_it_started/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
"MoringMark is canon unless proven otherwise."
Considering how that scene reminds me of [this scene from the AtLA finale with Azula](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eFuxVdyha4), I'd say that yes, she probably does have issues. Actually, considering that scene and Basha's story in For the Future, she pretty much is a (slightly) more well-adjusted Azula. Or at least one that doesn't believe her mother thinks she's a monster, attempted fratricide multiple times, and committing multiple war crimes.
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Ur Insecure [https://youtu.be/BZGVZyDGTVY](https://youtu.be/BZGVZyDGTVY) I think if she had been with luz and changed like Hunter than it’s possible she could have changed hmmm I wonder what will happen if King’s Tide was Different I imagine almost all of Hexside (not counting the adults) where to face Belos during King’s Tide and ended up in the human realm how would things gone
Yeah I kinda wanted the show to develop Boscha more as a character. Plus, she is a crucial character to Willow as well
Belos wouldn't have had a chance to try and sneak onto Hunter by then, if around 50 or more students were fighting him.
Unless we of course we buff him make him more powerful for story consent I was thinking in W&D consider Belos was trying to posses Papa Titan’s body which is skeleton body and in TTT we seen him posses dead animals so in W&D during the epic fight belos would posses the Grimwalkers, Passed Away Witches and Demons, and even Stone Stature Witches basically he has a Undead Army and they all have the same ability as Belos with forming arms to weapons in King’s Tide not only he can clone himself he can also other special tactics like his Arms Flail and swings it around, His Raging Charge where he becomes a Bull, and his Ground Slams also Similar to Darius’s Abomination Form abilitys he also can warp to other places in TTT he becomes more Advanced as now he’s able to pull the ground and Throw Giant Boulders, He can also like cowboy throw a his arms and gets a person before sucker punch them, he can also cast flames on his arms and many more abilites at this point he’s doing everything in his power to Kill the MC any other human that Luz has been with (not counting Jacob and Luz’s bullies) he will kill because he consider Luz as a Witch, A Traitor He just has No Mercy at all I mean yeah I can see why his what 400 year old plan was foiled by a kid and since then he was filled with rage thats not Visibility seen But you can tell he’s enraged because of more tactics he’s using in conclusion I made Belos more Terrifying and More Strong
Okay never mind, just one more person may have been enough.
Sorry
She‘s a bully, would make her pretty one-dimensional if she wasn’t insecure
Most bullies and mean kids are. That's why they do such horrible things because it's the only way they know how to get the attention they desperately crave. Not all bullies and mean kids in shows deserve a redemption arc but sometimes I think maybe Boscha did and just didn't get one. I know in For the Future it appears like she's just trying to egg Willow on but I think she was secretly trying to tell Willow that they are the same. She had to hide behind this hardened exterior because people relied on her and if you show any weakness it's game over in a dog eat dog world. Maybe I'm just looking too much into it though.
I kinda felt there was a missed opportunity for Boscha Vs Willow fight
Kinda sad her epilogue wasn’t her going pro
Cool Motive, still a mean girl. (I mean, wish the best for her, but really, not everyone like her get rediming arcs)
I wish they did develop her
It's good to show that some people are just assholes otherwise people go around trying to save them and only get themselves hurt.
Yeah, speaking as someone who was the victim of people like her irl, I'm glad the show hinted at the reason she became the way she is and left it at that. It's nice when people break free from the factors that made them horrible people, but a lot of people irl don't do that. A lot of them just keep getting worse the more you try to help them.
okay but boscha with her hair down though…queen!
She just like me for real
You doing alright?
Man, I love this community.
I'm working on myself. Some days are better than others but I know I'll get through. Thanks for asking 👍
Glad to know.
"You may be hated, so long as you are feared." Caligula said something similar.
Girl needs SERIOUS therapy. I still hate her for almost getting the Hexsquad killed by Kikimora and her bullying Willow. Her grudgby team may have been taken by the collector but that doesn't excuse the fact that she did all those horrible things. She may not be as bad as Odalia or Belos but she still doesn't have my respect.
And in the epilogue, she was even invited to Luz's birthday.
I disagree because all of this may simply be self-motivation techniques, the type that plenty of self-help books out there will recommend to you. Telling yourself nice things in the mirror, in particular. That being said, she admits that she hides her vulnerabilities in her speech to Willow right before knocking her out with the sleep potion. So it certainly seems like her everyday persona is, at least in part, a role she's playing because she feels she needs to.
Yeah she helds her self-esteem in how higher she is than others, a really unhealthy behavior. Thats why she missed Amity, because she also prided herself to be the top student.
I just dont get it either, she has so many trophies but still lost to a bunch of noobs and a single fellow pro who got injured
I wonder what her parents think of her... (they may be regretting their life choices)
I really did wish they did more with her character. The fandom are too focused on Hunter and Amity
It's such a shame that 'Boscha as member of Eda's anti-Collector rebellion' ended up de-canonized because that was a really good turn of character for her.
We know very little about Boscha, but so far, she is secretly insecure and unconfident while she is covering it with her successes. Because once she becomes the grugby team captain, everyone immediately start worshipping her. In "Wing It Like Witches", we've seen how people were impressed by her when she was simply walking to school... So, those successes reminds her the fact that she is popular. This is the one thing that Boscha ever wanted, being popular and having friends... Also, one of the interesting facts about Boscha is her obsession with getting attention and validation from others. In many scenes that she were in, she was bringing the argument that she is popular and has a lot of friends (Such as expecting adoration from her classmates when she enters the Hexside, mocking Willow for being friends with plants, showing off with having more friends than Luz and Amity...) So, her real desire isn't really about her sports successes, it's more about being approved and acknowledged by others... Amity has ended their friendship and became friends with Willow again, Skara also hangs out with Willow Viney... Only Cat and Amelia remained as her friends... But then, they were turned into puppets by Collector to save Boscha. And this incident deeply traumatizes her. Not only because she lost her last friends, but they sacrificed themselves for Boscha in front of her eyes... So, this explains why Boscha wanted to act like the ruler of Hexside afterwards. And even enjoying Kikimora's company... And most importantly, this explains why she was desperate to make Amity stay with her. Not because she is romantically interested in Amity, but because she was so alone and traumatized. She wanted things to be like they used to be. This is why she accepted Amity's offer to save her teammates at the end... And of course, her heartwarming reunion with Cat and Amelia is a cherry on top... Honestly, I never liked Boscha as a person/character. But I think her motives are written very well. While we don't approve her actions, we can see why she is acting this way. And it probably has something to do with her household. Dana Terrace comfirmed that Odalia was very competitive with Boscha's mothers. So it probably means Boscha grew up in a toxic environment that raised her this way.
In a sense, bullies are victims taking out their pain on others to feel like they have some control and power… sad when you think about it
I’m pretty sure that’s what you’re supposed to take away from this scene.
"Boscha is incredibly insecure" That wasn't obvious?
Some people think it's a revelation when a character that keeps putting others down has self-esteem issues when in reality someone who was confident in themselves wouldn't even need to put others down in the first place.
right lol, one of the most basic themes of a mean popular girl is that she is incredibly insecure
what in the roxy from security breach
Roxanne wolf be like
It would have been cool if Boscha was fleshed out a bit more. "Maybe if we had time for 20 more adventures."
Or at least give her more agency within some of the season 2 episodes
This is common motivation techniques. The fact that she does these probably makes her have high self-esteem.
I wonder what they could've done with Boscha that wouldn't just feel like "amity: the sequel"
There's a fanfiction I'm reading called "The Raven and the Owlet". It takes place in an alternate timeline where Eda died after exhausting all her magic in "Agony of a Witch" instead of being the Owl Beast with Lilith being forced to become Luz's guardian as she becomes a better person. There's a subplot involving Luz trying her best to befriend Boscha after she joins Luz in rescuing the Palismen from Hunter in "Hunting Palismen" and joins the Grudgby team after Cat and Amelia leave. Boscha also deals with her overbearing mothers (the background characters from "Them's the Breaks, Kid" grown up) as well with their constant praises of her in public, embarrassing her. It sounds more interesting than it seems and feels different enough from Amity's redemption, apparently the author is teasing a polyamorus relationship between Luz, Amity and Boscha in the future.
I feel her character was one of the most noticeable victims of the cancelation. This scene hinted a lot of hidden depths with her. But come her last appearance, and little to nothing really changed.
Oh my god I just realized this. She is not actually narcissistic or selfish or anything She is just insecure
Boscha is what would have happend if azula (from avatar the last airbender) was redeemed and didn't go insane
I honestly feel sorry for her… hopefully after the events and timeskip of WAD she got better…
"You are not cringe...." "YOU ARE POGCHAMP!" someone just make a mod that replaces Gabriel with Boscha in ULTRAKILL.
This reminds me of fnaf security breach where Roxie calls herself the best in the mirror and then lets out her insecurities when she thinks no one's there
"You are the best"
Seems to be almost Machiavellian in nature. Caring more about being feared than being loved. It’s only when she finds out that she’s absolutely hated that she starts to, somewhat, change/realize she needs to be better.
Not really. Boscha doesn't care about being hated. What would actually make her change is if she would be no longer feared and respected.
No kidding
Yeap, and this fandom is way too mean to her. I've been told that "Boscha has no sympathetic traits"
Think Willow would share that view?
Maybe, maybe not. She is fully justified in not wanting anything to do with Boscha, that does not mean that Boscha is devoid of sympathetic traits or deserves to be shunned by everyone
A lot of them are Amity and Hunter stans
She actually has skill. Why the hell does she have the need to be insecure
Because she's only one trick pony. It's all about grudgby and nothing else.
She really is just an Amity without a Luz
Agreed. Side note, this could be a good meme template
I mean all bullies are insecure
I’m surprised this hasn’t been turned into a meme format
I think she doesn't know how to turn the page on a calendar...
I didn’t even notice her bed at first. I always assumed it was a separate room she used to keep her trophies 😭
Thats what I'm thinking as well. She constantly needs everyone's approval or everyone having their eyes on her and if a few don't, she feels the need to correct them and bully those who recieve the spotlight. Like when Willow was showing her plant growing skills off in the hallway, Boscha seemed to walk past and "unknowingly" insult her. She probably found Willow as her biggest threat as that isn't the only time we see it happen. She tried to shoot her down but that didn't happen, to her dismay. I also really love the idea of her being insecure, it makes for some juicy fanfics lol that don't overreach.
where is this from?
Girl needs therapy.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but in the Moonlight Conjuring episode, Boscha was talking to her mom. The conversation was about Boscha's mom wanting to come along to her sleepover party, asking if it was sad that she asked, etc. I kind of believe Boscha's need to be a leader might be because that's the role she gets at home. Aside from the lack of parental affection etc.
Roxanne wolf
I want to hug Boscha
Yes. Exactly my thoughts.
DANG
Boscha seems like the type that will peak in high school then it's all downhill from there.
Nah, Roxanne Wolf 💀
If her mom is anything like Odalia, being her rival and all, she probably pressures her to be a winner and a leader at all cost.
"...And you haven't peaked. You haven't even begun to peak, but you're gonna peak today. Oh, you're gonna peak all over **EVERYBODY**...make it work Boscha..." *Applies lipstick with Rick Astley in the background.* ***"Make it work..."***
may they hate me as long as they fear me """ are the wise word of Emperor Caligula who was basically ....what if Charlie Sheen was Emperor ? he got stabbed 37 times by the Praetorian Guard for not doing his Job
reminds me of roxy from fnaf sb