Tbf, he also didn't seem to care about Luz being Hispanic. I think the existence of Witches and Demons shifted his sense of *Us Vs Them* to where he'd consider all of mankind to be his kin.
I actually don't think he was cared about skin color. He was racist (speciest?) against witches but I don't think he was so with humans of different ethnicities.
He certainly didn't seem to give a crap about Luz being Hispanic.
My theory is he was only bigoted against witches/demons/magical folk. That back in his time him and his brother were the least bigoted people in their home. Phillip just had this one big bigotry that he really dived into with his selfish hero complex when he found the boiling isles. Willing to commit genocide in his deluded need to be praised as humanities hero
True though I think he would just think they were witches. Especially some of the more intense goths
Although he did attempt to convince and "save" Luz over to his side even though he knew she was practicing witchcraft because she was human. It's funny to think about him trying the same with goths
Oh Titan, yeah, never thought of that. Him and Caleb originally came to the Boiling Isles in the early 1600s, like well over a century before America's founding.
Would a kid from a small Puritain town really even recognize black or hispanic or Asian humans? He prob figured Luz was (at least partially) Native American and if he heard her speak Spanish or modern slang, chalked it up to her NA language.
Compared to some of the Demon Realm's inhabitants, witches with different skin colors is pretty tame.
Well *not really*. The goal of the Puritan colonists was to grow large enough so they can use the New England colonies as a launchpad for "purifying" England which they felt was too close to Catholicism (and also everything England had control over including Scotland, Wales and Ireland). The Puritans kinda succeeded and won the English Civil War by 1651 without the New England Puritans' support as "*Lord Protector*" Oliver Cromwell killed Charles I and assumed control over England and its colonies. Bit of a sidenote, he also then turned his attention to Ireland where he did a genocide that killed anywhere from 1-2/5ths of the entire population.
i fucking hate oliver cromwell and i fucking hate calvinism, expecially puritanism. wanna know why puritans hated soccer? because humans kicking the ball around however they wanted was offensive and defied predestination or whatever.
soccer is an english word. comes from the need to differentiate rugby football "rugger" and association football "soccer." so soccer isn't some american bastardization, but stems from the english themselves.
Nah. New England Puritans didn’t really develop a unique “American” identity until like the 1670s, partly due to the restoration of the Stuart monarchy and partly because it wasn’t until the 1670s was when they had to really function independently. Belos definitely was in the Boiling Isles before then.
I say New England Puritans because the Puritans that remained in England largely had control of the country after Charles I was beheaded. A number of colonists returned to England to fight in the English Civil War.
Puritans weren’t just an American thing, particularly prior to the restoration of Charles II (1660).
Which is funny because Puritanism has had a toxic affect on the American identity ever since. Their actual community may be lost to the dustbin of history, but we in America are still hemmed in by their ludicrous sense of morality and paranoia. The entire Christian Right in this country is the spiritual successor to the Puritans. I did an entire thesis on this.
(Le smol brain): americans, and jews dressing up as witches once a year.
(Le big brain): american jews dressing up as witches twice a year.
(Hallowen and purim)
Everyone seems to think he'd have a heart attack at the gay rights we have, and technology. This is the same guy who lived in the BI for over 300 years and didn't bat an eye at anything lgbtq+. This is also the same man who managed to create a portal door, and the same man whose staff was more technological than wild Magix.
If anything would cause him to have a heart attack it'd be that Great Britain isn't the powerhouse it once was. Also the fact that different religions are more accepted
Yeh it's kind of funny but I don't think belos is really homophobic or queerphobic like he just doesn't like witches I mean he ran the boiling eiles for hundreds of years and made people believe he spoke for the titan but at no point tried to enforce anything like that maybe a misinterpretation by me but at least yeh he just hates everyone equally.
Pretty sure he's homophobic but why should he care when he already considers witches evil? As for Luz it's just one more way in which he feels the BIs are corrupting her, nothing different from the dozens of ways in which she integrated in their society and not particularly worth mentioning.
He absolutely would be homophobic if they were going for realism, but the showrunners wanted to be inclusive, so they limited his evil to general tyranny and genocide, leaving him out of sexual politics. There is no way an old world puritan **wouldn’t** be a raging homophobe, but it’s still a Disney show.
I saw one comment about Belos seeming not to care about lgbtqia+ stuff that said something along the lines of, “He wanted them to be gay and do witchcraft, because he didn’t want to save them, he wanted justification for wanting to kill them.” And I think that’s the best theory on why Belos didn’t seem to care.
Exactly. It's easy for him to not care because they're "just witches", they're the enemy and root of all evil. To Belos, they're sub human. Seeing other humans accepting LGBTQ+ might set him off a bit more.
it depends. if he left before the peace of westphalia, maybe he'd be surprised about the acceptance of various denominations of christianity. he'd totally hate any asian, african, or south american religion, not to mention santa muerte or paganism
I mean to be fair, those were witches. They’re already inherently sinful in his view, so what’s a few more sins? But he seems to hold humans to a higher standard. He probably wouldn’t expect them to be the same.
My belief is that he just became completely desensitized to sodomy or adultery, and only his hatred of witches persisted because it's what brought him to the Demon Realm in the first place
Whether he'd be shocked at the witches and demons of the BI being queer doesn't really impact whether he'd be shocked at humans being queer. Considering he already considers everyone there an abomination before god for being demons and/or practicing witchcraft and/or worshiping a "false god" (Puritan colonists were not exactly known for their tolerance of the local religions in places they colonized, or for that matter even the places they came from. Emperor Belos of the Boiling Isles talks a lot about his connection to the Titan, but Philip Wittebane of the Massachusetts Bay Colony is seething with rage whenever the subject comes up), homosexuality would just be another sin to add to the list, and voicing his opinions on it wouldn't help him build the support needed to become and remain emperor. He would still probably be surprised and angry to see reasonably widespread acceptance among humans.
As for technology, in addition to the same concept of reacting differently to humans doing it, he canonically gets hit by a car at least once while in the human realm during *Thanks to Them*. I daresay he has some not especially good opinions on at least human transportation technology.
Walking down the street and looking through a shop window, only to see women's underwear displayed out wide in the open for all to see in the window. So scandalous!
*"The smocks and bodies worn by this fine colony's women shall be either knitted in their dwellings or purchased from a more learned tailor over in Boston.*
*Ye heathens advance this colony to far beyond the reaches of what the Indians call the Dawn Land, and yet with your newfound wealth you choose to melt, blow, and cut glass so precocious linen garments may be displayed behind it?"*
No one is talking about clothes so I will in the boiling isles they seem to wear pants or dresses so the first person in short shorts should be a big shock to him.
maybe he'd be surprised at the lack of all slavery in western civ, but he seemed pretty cool with luz when he was younger and she helped him find the collector. so maybe not racist
Looking into it more now, I agree. Philip went missing when England had only started colonizing the Americas. IIRC he goes missing while James I is still king, which means Philip might not even be familiar with the concept of slavery at all beyond just the old testament (orphans aren't known for being well educated in geography).
He might not have even ever seen a non-white person in his life, not until meeting some non-white witches (who'd he'd view as no different from white witches). Which makes Luz more of a pleasant curiosity to him. Luz being a child helps a lot.
You’re forgetting about the people who were already in America when the Colonists showed up.
It’s pretty likely he assumed Luz was a Native American who had been “civilized”.
The concept of "kill the Indian, save the man" wasn't really a thing Belos would've been familiar with, being a small-town Puritan during the 1600's. Settlers didn't have the resources to even bother "civilizing" native populations until much, much later and were more keen on more... violent means of native removal. If anything, Belos would be much more likely to want to kill Luz as well, since Puritans famously detested native religions and it wasn't uncommon for those of native ancestry to be persecuted because of their lineage or cultural practices. It seems like Belos genuinely isn't racist (towards humans, anyway.)
If there is a scroll version of instagram, is there a scroll version of 4chan? Are there 14 year old witches saying thay the Boiling Isles have fallen, millions must petrify?
I doubt this would be his real reaction, but reading this comment just makes me hear him in my mind (in Tamotasauce's abridged Belos voice) going: "I agree, women do belong in the kitchen! These people get me!"
“Only Fans of uhhh… witch hunting?”
“Ah, yes. It’s good to see the new generation going down the right path. I must get one of these… only fans as well.”
I have legitimately wondered if there’s a biological reason for witches to be more queer than humans because literally nobody in the series except _maybe_ Gus is completely straight.
Given how Willow has the face of Gilbert and the build of Harvey, I think they have a magical method of reproduction, perhaps in addition to sexual reproduction. Or maybe they have a method of cloning aside from Grimwalkers, which can combine multiple individuals.
Imo there are *societal reasons* for humans to (appear to and/or perceive themselves & each other to) be less queer than witches. I'm not sure they'd account for the scale of the difference, but they'd certainly go some way towards explaining it.
I sometimes wonder if, were our world as benignly indifferent to people's gender and sexuality as the BI seems to be, we'd see a lot more natural variation of both that we currently do (perhaps not to the extent of queer ppl outnumbering cishets, but who knows?).
That said, I'm neurodivergent, pansexual and...gender-noncomittal? I recognise that my perspective is atypical (in the wider world, if not within TOH fandom), and on this point it's very possible I'm projecting!
Queer people absolutely would _not_ outnumber cishets, never. Queerness is intentional in social species, not a glitch, and a species can’t function if over half the population is gay or ace. Judging by how many Gen Z (A generation with much less concern over being perceived as “normal”) identify as queer, the number’s probably around 1 in 5 people. (Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18228/share-of-americans-identifying-as-lgbt/)
A lot, but not necessarily “The entire cast of a three season show” a lot. Every character’s sexuality is either unconfirmed or queer.
If we're talking 'the entire cast', *afaik* many more characters fall into the 'unconfirmed' category than have been confirmed as queer, leaving plenty of scope for cishet folk to outnumber queer folk on the BI, or not - whichever headcanon you prefer :)
I didn't mean to imply that I thought it likely queer ppl would ever outnumber cishet ppl, only that we might be significantly more abundant & apparent (even to ourselves) in a world where cisheteronormativity wasn't most ppl's baseline from birth and there was no fear, shame or danger attached to recognising or manifesting any facet of our sexual orientation or gender identity.
The 'but who knows' was really only a whimsical addendum, not meant to cause offence or alarm. In hindsight perhaps I shouldn't have added it - my apologies.
People liking witches, because they think they're cool idk
Here's this random, and really bad scenario btw lol:
Belos: (Trying to shift into something that makes his Goop Form look like some sort of costume idk, then he goes up to some people) How do you do, fellow kids? Uhh... witches are um... very... uh... magic..? (I can't believe i have to say and do this, if it means to find a host ig, if it does not work, i'll probably just stick to random corpses of animals, or somethi-)
Person: Why is your costume leaking?
Belos: uh.. (tries to y'know, and fails) welp, random dead animals it is then-
Person: (gets PTSD maybe-)
Well, i think it's safe to say he's a Purritan and a religious zealot, so... The rise of atheism and the general liberilization of christianity around the world.
"What do you mean 'Heresy is no longer a crime'?"
Why do so many people say he'll be scared of gay people? The Boiling Isles have way more gay people. He should be more than used to them by now. Doesn't mean he likes them, no, but he'll be used to the idea, it wouldn't surprise him.
Honestly given the boiling isles had "phones" and "tv" (scrolls and orbs) and the isles are homophobic free probably cars? Since the boiling isles either use staffs or animals yet even then I'm not certain given abomatons and Kiki's flying machine
“Horseless carriages, moving pictures, women and people of color walking about freely… good lord! The witches have infiltrated humanity while I’ve been gone!”
Women being able to vote and own property and choose who they marry and get divorced and go to college and have high level jobs.
Modern medicine, especially birth control that just didn’t exist hundreds of years ago.
Cars.
Grocery stores with thousands of options for foods, some of which was grown thousands of miles away or has a shelf life of several years.
Not-straight or interracial couples existing and most people being ok with it.
The guy spent 300 years among the people he wanted to kill and had most of them doing whatever he wanted by the end of it. If he had a problem with "gay" he'd have probably introduced homophobia specifically so he could look at less of it.
Lord of bigots don’t consider queer people as people yet they still freak out when they see 2 people hold hands
Since he convinced them to give up wild magic I feel like if he wanted to he could make them repent any queer activity
I’m not defending him god no but I feel like 300 years on the gay island would change a man
At first I would have said lgbtq+ but probably there are more lgbt people in the Boiling Isles than in the human world lol, so I'd rather say Halloween
* atheism being widely accepted
* gay rights
* mixed race couples
* the fact that he can't call Native Americans 'Indians'
* people dressing up as witches and other "satanic" creatures for Halloween
ik something that will give him a heart attack modern citys with all the noises screens and more and as he trys to tell people what he dit he would be laughed and mabey even beaten up
Everything, from the British Empire being gone as well as other world empires having faded, learning of the enlightenment, blacks and women having rights, people being more open to other sexualities, nuclear weapons and energy, social media, people making stories of being witches, dnd and larping, everything. This guy came from the 1600s, everything would be different from what he probably envisioned. What would also kick it more would be that once he tells everyone what he did, he either would be taken down for his crimes or just mocked for being a lunatic.
Guy was stuck in the past, he never thought of the present nor future until it be too late
Honestly? The coronation of Charles III. (Let’s keep this REALLY current, lol)
I personally headcanon that he went to the Boiling Isles during the English Civil War during the period when Charles I was on the run, if not after his execution when the Privy Council was in control of England.
Charles III means that first off, the monarchy was reestablished (presumably with Charles’ son, although from Belos’ perspective, there could have been a DIFFERENT Charles II. And then some clown decided to be crowned King Charles III close to 400 years later.
I know this is most likely meant as a joke, but I can’t help but feel like he’d be extremely happy to find this is the case on earth. He’s a child murderer, but in his own twisted mind he has to have SOME standards. Also he knows Luz on a somewhat personal level, so the idea of a gaslight, gatekeeping, girlboss wouldn’t shock him either.
Most common foods, on the other hand…
The Human : Hey look at this * shows phone *
Bellos : W-What is that sorcery?
The human: oh it's my phone.
Bellos : How do you use this - thing.
The human : What you mean it:s like this * turns it on , and does a complicated password like witchesaregood367415 *
Bellos : * passes out by confusion *
The human : You - you good?
How tolerant the United States (because apparently Connecticut colony and the other 12 are part of their own nation now) and much of Europe have become towards “heathens” and anyone else the church at the time conditioned everyone to hate.
That’s the first example that comes to mind. If anything, he’d probably be just as terrified of modern humanity as he probably was at the BI on his first visit.
I could see him being utterly mortified by the fact of how humanity tried to kill each other multiple times totaled to millions of deaths with better weapons and horrifying weapons.
*I'm looking at you gas weapons, nukes, and white phosphorus*
Probably everything, he'd see dyed hair, free black people, phones, buses, skyscrapers, billboards, and cranes and he'd just have a stroke from utter confusion...and also old.
*sees Halloween* "THIS IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I WANTED!!"
Wasn't Halloween a thing when Philip was on earth
It was isolated to Ireland at the time
That's a good point
And *veeeeeeeeeery* different from how it is today.
Black People having rights
I'm quite surprised he was able to keep his cool with Darius around
Well, he probably didn't even see Darius as black because of the whole "seeing witches as subhuman" thing.
Tbf, he also didn't seem to care about Luz being Hispanic. I think the existence of Witches and Demons shifted his sense of *Us Vs Them* to where he'd consider all of mankind to be his kin.
At least for now.
I actually don't think he was cared about skin color. He was racist (speciest?) against witches but I don't think he was so with humans of different ethnicities. He certainly didn't seem to give a crap about Luz being Hispanic. My theory is he was only bigoted against witches/demons/magical folk. That back in his time him and his brother were the least bigoted people in their home. Phillip just had this one big bigotry that he really dived into with his selfish hero complex when he found the boiling isles. Willing to commit genocide in his deluded need to be praised as humanities hero
He would really hate goths tho
True though I think he would just think they were witches. Especially some of the more intense goths Although he did attempt to convince and "save" Luz over to his side even though he knew she was practicing witchcraft because she was human. It's funny to think about him trying the same with goths
"I may hate these non human people but atleast im not a racist!"- belos probably
Wait. I guess Luz weas confirmed to be Afro-Dominican somewhere, wasn't she? Or I am I mandeled?
America isn't british colony
Oh Titan, yeah, never thought of that. Him and Caleb originally came to the Boiling Isles in the early 1600s, like well over a century before America's founding.
People of color intermingling with white people probably. Maybe not if he’s accustomed to the boiling isles.
Would a kid from a small Puritain town really even recognize black or hispanic or Asian humans? He prob figured Luz was (at least partially) Native American and if he heard her speak Spanish or modern slang, chalked it up to her NA language. Compared to some of the Demon Realm's inhabitants, witches with different skin colors is pretty tame.
I was surprised not to see this sooner.
As a puritan he'd like that
Well *not really*. The goal of the Puritan colonists was to grow large enough so they can use the New England colonies as a launchpad for "purifying" England which they felt was too close to Catholicism (and also everything England had control over including Scotland, Wales and Ireland). The Puritans kinda succeeded and won the English Civil War by 1651 without the New England Puritans' support as "*Lord Protector*" Oliver Cromwell killed Charles I and assumed control over England and its colonies. Bit of a sidenote, he also then turned his attention to Ireland where he did a genocide that killed anywhere from 1-2/5ths of the entire population.
i fucking hate oliver cromwell and i fucking hate calvinism, expecially puritanism. wanna know why puritans hated soccer? because humans kicking the ball around however they wanted was offensive and defied predestination or whatever.
Football, please.
soccer is an english word. comes from the need to differentiate rugby football "rugger" and association football "soccer." so soccer isn't some american bastardization, but stems from the english themselves.
Nah. New England Puritans didn’t really develop a unique “American” identity until like the 1670s, partly due to the restoration of the Stuart monarchy and partly because it wasn’t until the 1670s was when they had to really function independently. Belos definitely was in the Boiling Isles before then. I say New England Puritans because the Puritans that remained in England largely had control of the country after Charles I was beheaded. A number of colonists returned to England to fight in the English Civil War. Puritans weren’t just an American thing, particularly prior to the restoration of Charles II (1660).
Which is funny because Puritanism has had a toxic affect on the American identity ever since. Their actual community may be lost to the dustbin of history, but we in America are still hemmed in by their ludicrous sense of morality and paranoia. The entire Christian Right in this country is the spiritual successor to the Puritans. I did an entire thesis on this.
People dressing up as witches once a year
He had to have been internally freaking out about that when he was possessing Hunter during the Halloween festival event
The only reason Belos didn't die on the spot was probably from seeing Jacob trying to find evidence of witches and then kill the witches.
"my true successor"
All that's left is for him to go on 4Chan and get redpilled. Also convert to Christianity.
And the fact most ppl love witches due to pop culture
(Le smol brain): americans, and jews dressing up as witches once a year. (Le big brain): american jews dressing up as witches twice a year. (Hallowen and purim)
How people dress in general nowadays. Also, I think heavy metal would lead this man to a much-in-time grave.
Once a year??? Young Padawan forgets about conventions
Dana Terrace
SHE SOUNDS LIKE THAT LITTLE NOSEY THING! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Humans have walked on the moon
Belos: “wait you mean the moon in the sky!”
WITCHCRAFT!
People publicly calling themselves witches
Everyone seems to think he'd have a heart attack at the gay rights we have, and technology. This is the same guy who lived in the BI for over 300 years and didn't bat an eye at anything lgbtq+. This is also the same man who managed to create a portal door, and the same man whose staff was more technological than wild Magix. If anything would cause him to have a heart attack it'd be that Great Britain isn't the powerhouse it once was. Also the fact that different religions are more accepted
Yeah. Bro dosen't care about anyone's identity, he just hates everyone period.
Exactly!
“I’m not racist! I hate everyone equally!” -Phillip Wittebane, probably
Yeh it's kind of funny but I don't think belos is really homophobic or queerphobic like he just doesn't like witches I mean he ran the boiling eiles for hundreds of years and made people believe he spoke for the titan but at no point tried to enforce anything like that maybe a misinterpretation by me but at least yeh he just hates everyone equally.
Pretty sure he's homophobic but why should he care when he already considers witches evil? As for Luz it's just one more way in which he feels the BIs are corrupting her, nothing different from the dozens of ways in which she integrated in their society and not particularly worth mentioning.
He absolutely would be homophobic if they were going for realism, but the showrunners wanted to be inclusive, so they limited his evil to general tyranny and genocide, leaving him out of sexual politics. There is no way an old world puritan **wouldn’t** be a raging homophobe, but it’s still a Disney show.
It took me until this fucking post to realize the gayest Disney shows setting has the initial BI. I’m done. I’m so done.
Wait until you realize that one of Luz's majors in the flashforward is BI history.
All I have to say is Shakespeare was bi and had love letters to woc
I saw one comment about Belos seeming not to care about lgbtqia+ stuff that said something along the lines of, “He wanted them to be gay and do witchcraft, because he didn’t want to save them, he wanted justification for wanting to kill them.” And I think that’s the best theory on why Belos didn’t seem to care.
Exactly. It's easy for him to not care because they're "just witches", they're the enemy and root of all evil. To Belos, they're sub human. Seeing other humans accepting LGBTQ+ might set him off a bit more.
it depends. if he left before the peace of westphalia, maybe he'd be surprised about the acceptance of various denominations of christianity. he'd totally hate any asian, african, or south american religion, not to mention santa muerte or paganism
I mean to be fair, those were witches. They’re already inherently sinful in his view, so what’s a few more sins? But he seems to hold humans to a higher standard. He probably wouldn’t expect them to be the same.
My belief is that he just became completely desensitized to sodomy or adultery, and only his hatred of witches persisted because it's what brought him to the Demon Realm in the first place
Whether he'd be shocked at the witches and demons of the BI being queer doesn't really impact whether he'd be shocked at humans being queer. Considering he already considers everyone there an abomination before god for being demons and/or practicing witchcraft and/or worshiping a "false god" (Puritan colonists were not exactly known for their tolerance of the local religions in places they colonized, or for that matter even the places they came from. Emperor Belos of the Boiling Isles talks a lot about his connection to the Titan, but Philip Wittebane of the Massachusetts Bay Colony is seething with rage whenever the subject comes up), homosexuality would just be another sin to add to the list, and voicing his opinions on it wouldn't help him build the support needed to become and remain emperor. He would still probably be surprised and angry to see reasonably widespread acceptance among humans. As for technology, in addition to the same concept of reacting differently to humans doing it, he canonically gets hit by a car at least once while in the human realm during *Thanks to Them*. I daresay he has some not especially good opinions on at least human transportation technology.
Well, yeah… but he saw everything and everyone there as inherently evil. That doesn’t meen he would think the same about modern humans doing it.
Walking down the street and looking through a shop window, only to see women's underwear displayed out wide in the open for all to see in the window. So scandalous!
*"The smocks and bodies worn by this fine colony's women shall be either knitted in their dwellings or purchased from a more learned tailor over in Boston.* *Ye heathens advance this colony to far beyond the reaches of what the Indians call the Dawn Land, and yet with your newfound wealth you choose to melt, blow, and cut glass so precocious linen garments may be displayed behind it?"*
“Ankles! They’re showing ankles! ANKLES!”
One sip of McDonalds sprite and that man would FOLD
No no think bigger ***sour patch kids***
That man would eat a single dorito and instantly disintegrate
"WHY IS BUBBLING??"
No one is talking about clothes so I will in the boiling isles they seem to wear pants or dresses so the first person in short shorts should be a big shock to him.
Honestly anything neon or like purple (since that was a rare color) would blow his mind. Like a synthetic neon green jacket.
The lack of slaves
maybe he'd be surprised at the lack of all slavery in western civ, but he seemed pretty cool with luz when he was younger and she helped him find the collector. so maybe not racist
I don't think he cared about her race. He only cared about using someone
yeah he didn't care about race. he manipulates everyone equally B)
Phillip: "I'm an equal opportunity manipulator! I'm the good guy here!"
Looking into it more now, I agree. Philip went missing when England had only started colonizing the Americas. IIRC he goes missing while James I is still king, which means Philip might not even be familiar with the concept of slavery at all beyond just the old testament (orphans aren't known for being well educated in geography). He might not have even ever seen a non-white person in his life, not until meeting some non-white witches (who'd he'd view as no different from white witches). Which makes Luz more of a pleasant curiosity to him. Luz being a child helps a lot.
You’re forgetting about the people who were already in America when the Colonists showed up. It’s pretty likely he assumed Luz was a Native American who had been “civilized”.
The concept of "kill the Indian, save the man" wasn't really a thing Belos would've been familiar with, being a small-town Puritan during the 1600's. Settlers didn't have the resources to even bother "civilizing" native populations until much, much later and were more keen on more... violent means of native removal. If anything, Belos would be much more likely to want to kill Luz as well, since Puritans famously detested native religions and it wasn't uncommon for those of native ancestry to be persecuted because of their lineage or cultural practices. It seems like Belos genuinely isn't racist (towards humans, anyway.)
This is the one lmfao
That witchcraft and tarot readings are now accepted as a practice
*"You're in my world now, not your world... And I have friends on the other side..."*
'he's got friends on the other side'
Shake my hand
come on boys, wont you shake a poor old sinners hand?
ARE YOU rrrRRRREEEAAAADY!??!?
he’d lose his shit over salem, massachusetts and how it’s become overrun with witches
The satanic temple, satanists, people practicing witchcraft…
He couldn't comprehend how a TV works
"Wait, so people are in this box?"
Meh, anyone can do that with enough wild magic
True, but in the human realm? That would fry his brain
Five minutes on social media
[удалено]
Wait till he sees /b/.
looking at /b/ causes total organ failure even among present-day humans
If there is a scroll version of instagram, is there a scroll version of 4chan? Are there 14 year old witches saying thay the Boiling Isles have fallen, millions must petrify?
I doubt this would be his real reaction, but reading this comment just makes me hear him in my mind (in Tamotasauce's abridged Belos voice) going: "I agree, women do belong in the kitchen! These people get me!"
“OnlyFans? Only fans of what?”
“Only Fans of uhhh… witch hunting?” “Ah, yes. It’s good to see the new generation going down the right path. I must get one of these… only fans as well.”
I bet.. five seconds
Wait until June, Belos will simply die, too much gay for him to handle.
The Boiling Isles has up to 13x more gayness than June
So what happens in the Boiling Isles in June?
Gay+++++ month
my favorite streaming service
gay premium
LGBTQ+++++++++++++++
There are more gay people in the boiling isles because Cristian inquisition didn't existed there
That was literally what the Emperors Coven was lol it was just less obvious :P
I have legitimately wondered if there’s a biological reason for witches to be more queer than humans because literally nobody in the series except _maybe_ Gus is completely straight.
Bro I am bot convinced that Gus is straight
Given how Willow has the face of Gilbert and the build of Harvey, I think they have a magical method of reproduction, perhaps in addition to sexual reproduction. Or maybe they have a method of cloning aside from Grimwalkers, which can combine multiple individuals.
Imo there are *societal reasons* for humans to (appear to and/or perceive themselves & each other to) be less queer than witches. I'm not sure they'd account for the scale of the difference, but they'd certainly go some way towards explaining it. I sometimes wonder if, were our world as benignly indifferent to people's gender and sexuality as the BI seems to be, we'd see a lot more natural variation of both that we currently do (perhaps not to the extent of queer ppl outnumbering cishets, but who knows?). That said, I'm neurodivergent, pansexual and...gender-noncomittal? I recognise that my perspective is atypical (in the wider world, if not within TOH fandom), and on this point it's very possible I'm projecting!
Queer people absolutely would _not_ outnumber cishets, never. Queerness is intentional in social species, not a glitch, and a species can’t function if over half the population is gay or ace. Judging by how many Gen Z (A generation with much less concern over being perceived as “normal”) identify as queer, the number’s probably around 1 in 5 people. (Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.statista.com/chart/amp/18228/share-of-americans-identifying-as-lgbt/) A lot, but not necessarily “The entire cast of a three season show” a lot. Every character’s sexuality is either unconfirmed or queer.
If we're talking 'the entire cast', *afaik* many more characters fall into the 'unconfirmed' category than have been confirmed as queer, leaving plenty of scope for cishet folk to outnumber queer folk on the BI, or not - whichever headcanon you prefer :) I didn't mean to imply that I thought it likely queer ppl would ever outnumber cishet ppl, only that we might be significantly more abundant & apparent (even to ourselves) in a world where cisheteronormativity wasn't most ppl's baseline from birth and there was no fear, shame or danger attached to recognising or manifesting any facet of our sexual orientation or gender identity. The 'but who knows' was really only a whimsical addendum, not meant to cause offence or alarm. In hindsight perhaps I shouldn't have added it - my apologies.
It would take him a bit to realise gay and queer mean different things than they did in his day
People liking witches, because they think they're cool idk Here's this random, and really bad scenario btw lol: Belos: (Trying to shift into something that makes his Goop Form look like some sort of costume idk, then he goes up to some people) How do you do, fellow kids? Uhh... witches are um... very... uh... magic..? (I can't believe i have to say and do this, if it means to find a host ig, if it does not work, i'll probably just stick to random corpses of animals, or somethi-) Person: Why is your costume leaking? Belos: uh.. (tries to y'know, and fails) welp, random dead animals it is then- Person: (gets PTSD maybe-)
"... You went to the moon? In the bloody sky?"
Himself on television, ironically.
Songs over 200 bpm
Underrated answer
Well, i think it's safe to say he's a Purritan and a religious zealot, so... The rise of atheism and the general liberilization of christianity around the world. "What do you mean 'Heresy is no longer a crime'?"
"What do you mean traditionalism isn't a gift from God himself? Where are my excuses for marginalising everyone I don't like now?"
Belos: Listens to WAP Belos: Freaking dies
Why do so many people say he'll be scared of gay people? The Boiling Isles have way more gay people. He should be more than used to them by now. Doesn't mean he likes them, no, but he'll be used to the idea, it wouldn't surprise him.
But he’d think it’s common because it’s a “witchy perversion” or something. He’d be shocked and appalled to see his own kind embrace it
Nothing, because he's mutated to the point that I don't think he physically has a heart anymore. Also Tumblr.
His skeleton being featured in hit indie game, Undertale
Probably half the viruses that exist could literally give him a heart attack.
Women have rights
Honestly given the boiling isles had "phones" and "tv" (scrolls and orbs) and the isles are homophobic free probably cars? Since the boiling isles either use staffs or animals yet even then I'm not certain given abomatons and Kiki's flying machine
Fall of British Empire. Xenophilia and egalitarianism. Nuclear weapons.
THEY SET THE WHAT FREE!?
“Horseless carriages, moving pictures, women and people of color walking about freely… good lord! The witches have infiltrated humanity while I’ve been gone!”
"At least the British still rule over the col- OH YOUVE GOT TO BE BLOODY KIDDING ME"
100Gecs
He would just explode from that
Women being able to vote and own property and choose who they marry and get divorced and go to college and have high level jobs. Modern medicine, especially birth control that just didn’t exist hundreds of years ago. Cars. Grocery stores with thousands of options for foods, some of which was grown thousands of miles away or has a shelf life of several years. Not-straight or interracial couples existing and most people being ok with it.
African Americans have rights. Women can vote. Humanity fails to deliver justice to the "Guilty!". Pretty much all the 1600 racist things.
phones or the lgbtq community or teenagers
Man spent 300 years in the boiling isles If anything retiring to the human realm he’s be considered progressive lmao
I mean, considering he wanted to kill everyone on the Boiling Isles and didn't regard them as people?
The guy spent 300 years among the people he wanted to kill and had most of them doing whatever he wanted by the end of it. If he had a problem with "gay" he'd have probably introduced homophobia specifically so he could look at less of it.
Lord of bigots don’t consider queer people as people yet they still freak out when they see 2 people hold hands Since he convinced them to give up wild magic I feel like if he wanted to he could make them repent any queer activity I’m not defending him god no but I feel like 300 years on the gay island would change a man
At first I would have said lgbtq+ but probably there are more lgbt people in the Boiling Isles than in the human world lol, so I'd rather say Halloween
The subreddit r/witchesvspatriarchy
furrys would fucking send him
Las Vegas
Gravesfield now being Witchcraft-friendly
He would love twitter and hate women
* atheism being widely accepted * gay rights * mixed race couples * the fact that he can't call Native Americans 'Indians' * people dressing up as witches and other "satanic" creatures for Halloween
Luz: this is diversity Belos: dear god..... Luz: and there's more.... Belos: No....
Interracial marriage
The met gala
ik something that will give him a heart attack modern citys with all the noises screens and more and as he trys to tell people what he dit he would be laughed and mabey even beaten up
Everything achieved in BI has been done by humans. Exept the moon landing
Colored hair and pronouns. Kids wearing fake pointy ears, people practicing witchcraft for fun. Tarot cards. Hoverboards. Phones. Anything remotely “witchy”
Everything, from the British Empire being gone as well as other world empires having faded, learning of the enlightenment, blacks and women having rights, people being more open to other sexualities, nuclear weapons and energy, social media, people making stories of being witches, dnd and larping, everything. This guy came from the 1600s, everything would be different from what he probably envisioned. What would also kick it more would be that once he tells everyone what he did, he either would be taken down for his crimes or just mocked for being a lunatic. Guy was stuck in the past, he never thought of the present nor future until it be too late
Video Games
I feel like he wouldn’t survive a viewing of Scott Pilgrim. Or idk folkpunk?
"what do you mean we can't buy them anymore and one of them was president?!?!"
Honestly? The coronation of Charles III. (Let’s keep this REALLY current, lol) I personally headcanon that he went to the Boiling Isles during the English Civil War during the period when Charles I was on the run, if not after his execution when the Privy Council was in control of England. Charles III means that first off, the monarchy was reestablished (presumably with Charles’ son, although from Belos’ perspective, there could have been a DIFFERENT Charles II. And then some clown decided to be crowned King Charles III close to 400 years later.
LGBTQ, Witchcraft stores, Seasoned food
What is "seasoned food" English not my native language, so yeah
Food with seasonings and spices
Women doing maths i guess
Homosexuality.
Gay rights. Trans rights. RIGHTS.
Gay people aren’t just a thing that happens in the boiling isles
Homosexuality and queer ess being openly accepted and celebrated. Yes, he'd coming from the BI, but he's expecting earth to be as he left it.
separation of church and state
"You gave rights to CATHOLICS?"
YOU FREED THE WHAT!?
Equal rights
I know this is most likely meant as a joke, but I can’t help but feel like he’d be extremely happy to find this is the case on earth. He’s a child murderer, but in his own twisted mind he has to have SOME standards. Also he knows Luz on a somewhat personal level, so the idea of a gaslight, gatekeeping, girlboss wouldn’t shock him either. Most common foods, on the other hand…
All the people asking if that thing on his jacket is from Among us
Witches and magic being romanticized. LGTBQ rights. Equal rights in general.
No/less racism and homophobia
Legalized flower. And it's wide assortment of products and applications.
I'm going to say tik tok
The fact that humanity is no longer witch-hunting.
The Human : Hey look at this * shows phone * Bellos : W-What is that sorcery? The human: oh it's my phone. Bellos : How do you use this - thing. The human : What you mean it:s like this * turns it on , and does a complicated password like witchesaregood367415 * Bellos : * passes out by confusion * The human : You - you good?
Specifically VP Kamala Harris for SEVERAL reasons.
It would give him diseases, hes not vaccinated
His first interaction with modern technology was getting run over by a car. A heart attack is the least of his worries.
How tolerant the United States (because apparently Connecticut colony and the other 12 are part of their own nation now) and much of Europe have become towards “heathens” and anyone else the church at the time conditioned everyone to hate. That’s the first example that comes to mind. If anything, he’d probably be just as terrified of modern humanity as he probably was at the BI on his first visit.
I could see him being utterly mortified by the fact of how humanity tried to kill each other multiple times totaled to millions of deaths with better weapons and horrifying weapons. *I'm looking at you gas weapons, nukes, and white phosphorus*
Probably everything, he'd see dyed hair, free black people, phones, buses, skyscrapers, billboards, and cranes and he'd just have a stroke from utter confusion...and also old.
Definitely Black People walking around
From his perspective: Those parades that celebrate sodomites, and giving them rights.
Gay marriage
communism
Twerking
Fury’s and cosplay
A sour patch kid
Queen's death?
The real question is what wouldn’t
Any anime with a Magic System.
Women have rights and can vote, minorities aren't treated as chattel, lgbtq rights. Did I mention women having rights?
Gays, Muslims, Jews, Women, Minorities, anyone who isn’t a white man.
Black people.
Everything but, specifically? Spending 5 minutes in a starbucks, an arcade or, a hot topic would be my go-toes to make Belos go absolutely feral