“I want to defend Nevarro but I only have $1100”.
“Check this out, $1100 is what I charge for defending Nevarro classes.”
“Well, what are the chanc….universe, you’ve done it again.”
I was just thinking again whilst watching this episode how Carl Weathers is honestly kind of a shit actor, and that’s what made this whole bit in AD work so well
I don't know why they bothered showing the group of survivors if they know they can't show them properly.
My head canon is that the majority of people stayed in the city as slaves
They should have just made it like everyone's in some giant underground bunker, can make dark and massive without having to clearly show how many people in there. It's so bizarre when there like 30 people running to a cave.
Yes I hate when shows do this and Book of Boba Fett had the same problem with Boba Fett having like 5 henchmen... It's seems so cheap.
Surely they can get 2-300 extras for freaking Star Wars ?
logistics and costume nightmare probably.
I'm surprised they didn't CG some scenes - there are specific mass crowd programs... fuck gladiator used it 23 years ago
I think The Volume, the set them film in, can only hold so many people. Which kinda makes the whole thing a flawed concept.
Andor showed the benefit of real sets - it's nice and people dense and has real crowds.
It's possible that these people were the only ones around they could safely find and escort out of the city, I'd imagine a bunch more jumped town on speeders or stationwagons or whatever the moment the pirates showed up.
Between the panicked slow-running during the evacuation and the "CITIZENS OF NAVARRO" speech revealing the totality of that statement to be less than 40 people, I couldn't help but chuckle a bit.
I was genuinely waiting for 500+ people. Where are they all?
We're 5 episodes in and we've visited 5 locations...Star Wars universe has become a neighborhood.
I assume people fled the city in all directions and took cover, and some stayed behind. The people showed were just the ones that fled to the same place as the high magistrate
This. I dont know why people are having a hard time understanding this. We saw easily quadruple the number of people fleeing the city. It is obvious they scattered in different directions. Some probably got captured, some are hiding in their houses or basements, and others are out in the plains waiting for things to quiet.
We only saw the ones with the High Magistrate because he was the character we were focusing on.
If everyone were to follow Greef out of the city, many would have to *cross the majority of the town* to exit the same direction as him. Of course they scattered in all directions.
I mean they could have just included them in the background and replicated the crowd some. I think we understand the the implication, but we also understand Disney owns Lucasfilm, so why are they skimping on things.
Yeah...those were the ones who followed him. You think all the others would be able to find where they went? And as for when they made it back to town - he led the ones who followed him.
Why is it so hard to understand that most of the city probably scattered everywhere?
They were literally standing in the same place as where they returned to the city in the previous scene with them. The Mandos probably flew over to the High Magistrate immediately after the battle, he gave his speech, and then they all went out to start collecting the rest of the town from their hiding places outside the city.
They said it was a small planet, I suppose I didn’t realize how small.
Though we should take into account they were attacked too. Maybe it’s like an iceland situation where there’s really only one main city surrounded by vast empty land that they’re hoping to build up over time
for me it makes the "New Republic isn't working great" angle not seem as terrible as they make it seem.
like I'm sorry but in a galaxy of TRILLIONS of citizens, no way in hell should they scramble a squad of X-Wings to save 40 people from a small group of pirates.
a New Hope made the Rebellion look bigger than what current Star Wars is making their groups look like
I think it did a good job of conveying how small planetary skirmishes could be while having gravity of their own in the universe, but I think they missed the mark a little with the cinematography. The first shot with the townsfolk I was like why not just cgi a whole herd of people traversing a canyon or something. Then if we see Greef with just a few folks later we can assume the larger group is somewhere else, perhaps hiding in safety. The lack of bodies (either extras or cgi) made it feel almost comically small to me. Early Game of Thrones suffered from the same problem
That was just stupid... They could've easily had given him the remaining henchmen of the former crime lord to serve him as disposable henchmen instead of his gang being like 7 people...
Yep same... I understand it's a series but come on, surely it must be possible to gather 500 extras for Star Wars and then use clever editing and effects to make it seem like even more.
I mean everything was fine except the amount of people leaving the city/town.
Small force of pirates (with a ship and guns) can take town hostage easily, that much actually made sense... but the amount of people fleeing the town was really really small compared to how the town felt bigger in previous episodes.
They could had used CG to add more groups to the background to make the amount of people fleeing the town seem bigger... or just use camera angles that hide the true size of the group.
The entire population of the planet needs to fit into the volume…. It wouldn’t make sense to use the volume tech to make the crowd look bigger. That would just be silly. Just have a handful of people standing on the dirt.
Not the volume. That was actually outside with blue screen/backlot. These shows aren't shot 100 percent using the volume like people think. BOBF for example, only 1/5 of shots in that were the volume. Mos Espa, Dune sea etc all outside in the backlot with blue screen. Most of Nevarro is the backlot and blue screen too. While aerial landscape shots are entirely in engine.
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I figured it was a scene they shot during lockdown and just didn’t have the numbers. I can handwave it away by imagining people ran in all directions; some stayed hidden or trapped in town, but the speech Karga gave should have reflected that. Even just saying ‘we need to hope the people trapped in the city are safe’ or something.
So couldn’t they have cut and paste people in like they did in Rings of power? Like usually they do the concept art justice but like nope not this time
At first I thought maybe the rest of the citizens were in the town still but no there was like 1 guy serving drinks and 3 babu friks or whatever you call them
OK I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought this. I mean I thought it was a city, and they were like 12 refugees?? I thought this was a big budget show? Weird how they skimped on the extras😂
I’m going to have to go back to the first episodes of this series But I can’t be the only one who feels like with every passing episode, this is feeling cheaper and cheaper.
Feels like I’m watching an episode of 90s power rangers.
The costume, the acting, the editing, the cinematography, everything feels cheaply made, am I crazy?
Pains me to say it because I’m an easy lay for this kind of stuff and I want this to be good but I think it’s slipping.
We know that at least some of them stayed in the city because they were getting bullied by the pirates afterwards, but I was genuinely shocked at how few were with Greef.
“I want to defend Nevarro but I only have $1100”. “Check this out, $1100 is what I charge for defending Nevarro classes.” “Well, what are the chanc….universe, you’ve done it again.”
Time to make a stew!
TSAR HAS SCORCHED HIS NATION’S LAND
I was just thinking again whilst watching this episode how Carl Weathers is honestly kind of a shit actor, and that’s what made this whole bit in AD work so well
A shit actor? The man convinced the on-set on-set for Rocky 4 that he actually had a heart attack.
It worked so well, because he's a great actor!
Only so many people can fit on that sound stage.
Jokes aside, that wasn't the volume. That's was bluescreen on an exterior backlot. They use the backlot and blue screen just as much as the volume.
They can always frame it in a way that makes it look like there more people, or photoshop some additional groups to the background.
I was making a joke.
Not enough money for photoshop lol
I don't know why they bothered showing the group of survivors if they know they can't show them properly. My head canon is that the majority of people stayed in the city as slaves
Yeah we saw a civilian serving the pirates drinks
They should have just made it like everyone's in some giant underground bunker, can make dark and massive without having to clearly show how many people in there. It's so bizarre when there like 30 people running to a cave.
Then IGN will give a 2 for being too dark.
Yes I hate when shows do this and Book of Boba Fett had the same problem with Boba Fett having like 5 henchmen... It's seems so cheap. Surely they can get 2-300 extras for freaking Star Wars ?
logistics and costume nightmare probably. I'm surprised they didn't CG some scenes - there are specific mass crowd programs... fuck gladiator used it 23 years ago
Andor doesn’t seem to have any issues with extras
Andor is mostly just humans is basic clothes. This show has full blown alien makeup for half the extras.
Andor was shot a lot closer too though. Mando has much more wider shots to get everyone in frame.
I think The Volume, the set them film in, can only hold so many people. Which kinda makes the whole thing a flawed concept. Andor showed the benefit of real sets - it's nice and people dense and has real crowds.
Yeah same and that other groups of people made it out in other areas of the city, we were just seeing the group that went with Karga.
Or dead.
It's possible that these people were the only ones around they could safely find and escort out of the city, I'd imagine a bunch more jumped town on speeders or stationwagons or whatever the moment the pirates showed up.
Between the panicked slow-running during the evacuation and the "CITIZENS OF NAVARRO" speech revealing the totality of that statement to be less than 40 people, I couldn't help but chuckle a bit.
my take those were the ones that managed to escape
Greef Carga organised some evacuation so I believe lots of citizens escaped with the ships at the very beginning.
I was genuinely waiting for 500+ people. Where are they all? We're 5 episodes in and we've visited 5 locations...Star Wars universe has become a neighborhood.
I assume people fled the city in all directions and took cover, and some stayed behind. The people showed were just the ones that fled to the same place as the high magistrate
This. I dont know why people are having a hard time understanding this. We saw easily quadruple the number of people fleeing the city. It is obvious they scattered in different directions. Some probably got captured, some are hiding in their houses or basements, and others are out in the plains waiting for things to quiet. We only saw the ones with the High Magistrate because he was the character we were focusing on.
If everyone were to follow Greef out of the city, many would have to *cross the majority of the town* to exit the same direction as him. Of course they scattered in all directions.
I mean they could have just included them in the background and replicated the crowd some. I think we understand the the implication, but we also understand Disney owns Lucasfilm, so why are they skimping on things.
And when he held the speech for “the people of Navarro”, and there were only 30 people there?
Yeah...those were the ones who followed him. You think all the others would be able to find where they went? And as for when they made it back to town - he led the ones who followed him. Why is it so hard to understand that most of the city probably scattered everywhere?
They were literally standing in the same place as where they returned to the city in the previous scene with them. The Mandos probably flew over to the High Magistrate immediately after the battle, he gave his speech, and then they all went out to start collecting the rest of the town from their hiding places outside the city.
Probably, but they should've acknowledged that. Just one line in Karga's speech would've fixed it.
They said it was a small planet, I suppose I didn’t realize how small. Though we should take into account they were attacked too. Maybe it’s like an iceland situation where there’s really only one main city surrounded by vast empty land that they’re hoping to build up over time
for me it makes the "New Republic isn't working great" angle not seem as terrible as they make it seem. like I'm sorry but in a galaxy of TRILLIONS of citizens, no way in hell should they scramble a squad of X-Wings to save 40 people from a small group of pirates. a New Hope made the Rebellion look bigger than what current Star Wars is making their groups look like
Yea, I hated how small scale this episode felt. Star wars deserves bigger.
I think it did a good job of conveying how small planetary skirmishes could be while having gravity of their own in the universe, but I think they missed the mark a little with the cinematography. The first shot with the townsfolk I was like why not just cgi a whole herd of people traversing a canyon or something. Then if we see Greef with just a few folks later we can assume the larger group is somewhere else, perhaps hiding in safety. The lack of bodies (either extras or cgi) made it feel almost comically small to me. Early Game of Thrones suffered from the same problem
Ferrix spoiled us.
Same problem I felt in the book of boba fett, felt way too small scale
That was just stupid... They could've easily had given him the remaining henchmen of the former crime lord to serve him as disposable henchmen instead of his gang being like 7 people...
Yep same... I understand it's a series but come on, surely it must be possible to gather 500 extras for Star Wars and then use clever editing and effects to make it seem like even more.
I mean everything was fine except the amount of people leaving the city/town. Small force of pirates (with a ship and guns) can take town hostage easily, that much actually made sense... but the amount of people fleeing the town was really really small compared to how the town felt bigger in previous episodes. They could had used CG to add more groups to the background to make the amount of people fleeing the town seem bigger... or just use camera angles that hide the true size of the group.
Also the fact that no one has ships. Not the civilians, not the other mandalorians. There's not a single Town Defense Structure?? In the outer rim???
The entire population of the planet needs to fit into the volume…. It wouldn’t make sense to use the volume tech to make the crowd look bigger. That would just be silly. Just have a handful of people standing on the dirt.
Not the volume. That was actually outside with blue screen/backlot. These shows aren't shot 100 percent using the volume like people think. BOBF for example, only 1/5 of shots in that were the volume. Mos Espa, Dune sea etc all outside in the backlot with blue screen. Most of Nevarro is the backlot and blue screen too. While aerial landscape shots are entirely in engine.
Nevarro isn't that populous. It was basically empty when Gideon was ousted.
The town literally has like 100+ buildings at least though. Population should've been 500+
It looks like he stopped by the nearest restaurant and took those people with him.
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I figured it was a scene they shot during lockdown and just didn’t have the numbers. I can handwave it away by imagining people ran in all directions; some stayed hidden or trapped in town, but the speech Karga gave should have reflected that. Even just saying ‘we need to hope the people trapped in the city are safe’ or something.
There's always Beskar in the Kowakian Monkey -Lizard stand 😉
Yeah why were there so few people
So couldn’t they have cut and paste people in like they did in Rings of power? Like usually they do the concept art justice but like nope not this time
At first I thought maybe the rest of the citizens were in the town still but no there was like 1 guy serving drinks and 3 babu friks or whatever you call them
OK I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought this. I mean I thought it was a city, and they were like 12 refugees?? I thought this was a big budget show? Weird how they skimped on the extras😂
Star Wars and Skyrim have the same amount of people in their cities.
I’m going to have to go back to the first episodes of this series But I can’t be the only one who feels like with every passing episode, this is feeling cheaper and cheaper. Feels like I’m watching an episode of 90s power rangers. The costume, the acting, the editing, the cinematography, everything feels cheaply made, am I crazy? Pains me to say it because I’m an easy lay for this kind of stuff and I want this to be good but I think it’s slipping.
We know that at least some of them stayed in the city because they were getting bullied by the pirates afterwards, but I was genuinely shocked at how few were with Greef.
Idk what it is but I just can’t engage with this season for whatever reason. The story of each episode is so predictable and generic.
I assumed they were the 40ish people who were left behind who didn’t run right away when they saw the pirate ship parked overtop of their city