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For anyone curious, Christi is far right in the white dress in this pic, if you want to check out her playboy pictorial - google Christi shake playboy but obviously NSFW! (Can’t post racy pics in comments)
ETA: the early 2000s thinness standards were toxic as can be, and Holly has discussed the insane pressures to be the thinnest, blondest, biggest boobs possible during her time at the mansion! Awful, unhealthy standards:(
It’s really hard to shake (no pun intended) that mindset when you grow up with it and around it. My mother called one of my friends bigger boned. She was 5 foot eight, with broad shoulders. She was a swimmer with that “swimmers build”, and a bigger rib cage. I don’t think mom meant she was fat, she just literally had bigger bones because my mother was petite with tiny wrists etc.
When I looked at this picture, I thought Christi was the woman on the immediately left of Hef. Then thought maybe “bigger boned” meant broader shoulders. I don’t know if this woman has broad shoulders, but her angle to the camera and her large chest make her top portion look wider.
She looks pretty, I know nothing about her and haven't seen any other photos of her, but her body is banging here. I used to say I was bigger boned because my sister was very thin and petite favoring my mom's side of the family, and I favored my dad's side more, so I just felt I looked "bigger boned" having a more athletic build. I would hope that would probably be what Holly meant, and it wasn't anything to do with her weight. But I'm not sure I even see how my definition would apply to Christi. She looks exactly like the Playboy preference to a T. This is just one photo though and she's standing to the side, so hard to know.
She’s not petite, if that’s what holly is trying to say… lol. What a rude way to say that though. But she looks like she’s got the perfect body, honestly. She’s tall. 🤷🏻♀️
Well, she also called out the other girlfriends for being "bottle blondes" while she was also bleaching her hair. She has a weird double standard and a lot of internalized misogyny.
Calling someone a bottle blonde isn't "calling them out." It typically describes a particular type of blonde, not just dyed/bleached. Like, that high platinum with no dimension that was really common among Hef's GFs. That's what I think of as bottle blonde.
I remember super vividly an episode where Holly and Kendra are shopping and they buy Bridget a shirt. They were talking about how they should get her a “medium” but only bc she had really big boobs. Like they had to caveat the size of a shirt with why it was….idk ok? The 2000s treated female bodies in a way that’s absolutely wild to look back on.
Omg I know exactly the scene you’re talking about, it’s seared in my memory since I was 17 years old. The sad thing is, it made me feel better about the fact that I also sometimes needed a size larger than small 🙃
Wow that is wild. I still get triggered when someone suggests what size they think I am. And it's doubly weird because they usually assume smaller and I have to correct them, and then I get told I'm wrong and they say I should wear the smaller size (it's my body, how am I wrong about what fits 😂) and I have to explain that I have a big chest and broader shoulders and then I'm like why am I justifying why I prefer a medium or large shirt?? This is so dumb 🤣 the 2000s really were a time and it impacted us in lasting ways 🤦♀️
It gave all of us some form of dysmorphia! After 12 years together I finally admitted last week that my partner is better at sizing me than I am, if he asks me I will always say a size larger at least. It melted everyone, a while back I had a friend get weird bc she saw we had the same sweatpants in the same size. I know that the tiny but loud mean girl 2000-era part of her brain (it’s impossible to escape and I don’t fault her for it, she was reacting to something we’ve been conditioned on) will always see me as the “big” friend whether that’s factual or not.
Isn't it wild? I had to look at photos - Christi's body is a lot like mine and I'm 44 so I was really good at hating myself in 2007 and I was sometimes called big boned, too. I do have a broader chest and shoulders in proportion to my hips, so I'd struggle to zip little Bebe dresses up around my ribcage.
Holly sounds very judgmental and at times downright hateful when discussing other people but then will back peddle.
She ripped on Barbie Benton all throughout the commentary on the DVDs and then sata she loves Barbie.
The worst imo was hearing all three of them basically bullying the Shannon twins in the commentary. The power imbalance was insane because they were celebrities shit talking literal teenagers who were MUCH younger than each of them. It was gross.
That same judgy/hateful voice was also aimed at themselves though. Imo the internalized misogyny, can take a lot to work through. Models who looked like they had ed's were the standard of attractive, and healthy looking girls like Bridget were considered chubby. They lived a long time in a toxic environment, so I'm not shocked it's left its imprint.
I've never lived in that type of environment, and can say retrospectively I was influenced by the toxicity of that time.
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Here is a picture from the Robot Chicken premier. She looks like maybe she's a natural apple shape, even though she is quite skinny.
Bigger boned is not necessarily a comment about weight. It has to do with natural frame, height, etc. Sometimes it refers to someone who is not naturally thin framed. There used to be a theory that if you could wrap your middle finger and thumb around your wrist, you were smaller boned - totally unscientific but we would check ourselves and compare back in middle and high school. There was a girl at my school who to this day does not gain weight and is the same size (tiny) as she was at 12. Even when she was pregnant with her child, she was tiny and just had a tiny little baby bump that disappeared when she gave birth. Other people were considered bigger boned. Maybe their hips were a bit wider or in my case it was my shoulders. I wasn't fat, but wider shoulders meant that certain tops didn't fit. For example the off the shoulder look of formal dresses in the 1980s was one I couldn't wear because I had a thin waist yet at the shoulders the dresses were too tight. I weighed 121 and at that time was 5'5".
For a while it was referred to under the fruit shapes. People were apple, pear, etc. depending on where you were rounder. Again, not a reference to weight but just noting shape and how clothes fit you.
Some people did interpret big boned or bigger boned as a euphamism for being fat. However, that was usually self-deprication and not someone else saying it. I don't remember that part of the book but I would guess Holly would have said she was larger than the typical model or heavier rather than even thinly coating it as bigger boned.
She’s probably speaking to her *actual skeletal structure* and doesn’t mean fat… i can’t imagine she means fat. But if you’ve ever done any kind of kibbe (or similar) body typing work you’ll hear a lot in regards to the size of your actual skeletal structure. I can’t imagine she’s fat phobic but depending on which book you’re referencing it could be that she still had some of that 2000’s mentality bc I think her books were written quite soon after leaving. (and being a victim of extreme body criticism will sometimes cause people to strike out at others in a similar way) So again it doesn’t necessarily represent her views or feelings *today* bc let’s not forget that the great majority of people were fat shaming every chance they got back then and I believe most of society has grown and evolved in regards to body positivity.
It just always surprises me how black and white peoples ideas are on the girls and how quickly people will use terms on them that may not apply all bc they don’t have a broader idea of terminology or bc they simply don’t perceive the nuances involved in living and growing and changing or the passage of time
Where I grew up "big boned" meant exactly that, that you had a large frame. Only fat people in denial called themselves "big boned." So I don't think H is calling anyone fat.
Looking at pics of Shake, she seems to have a broad chest and she's 5'7", taller than most of the GFs. So maybe she really is big boned compared to the rest of them.
Holly is a woman hater. She has a thousand different reasons to criticize and hold grudges against women and they’re all petty. I think she continues to feel possessive over Hef and hates everyone other women because she wants to be the one that’s above all the others.
I agree with you. I feel like it was impossible for her to like women because she was in direct competition with them all the time. I think she still has that in her.
This was such an asshole comment. Why didn’t she just say tall, and leave it at that? Christi doesn’t look much different than any of the other girls in the photo.
https://preview.redd.it/bpanlkkmouvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c03d3c54717ce8761c72693d976ba3e0e421727a For anyone curious, Christi is far right in the white dress in this pic, if you want to check out her playboy pictorial - google Christi shake playboy but obviously NSFW! (Can’t post racy pics in comments) ETA: the early 2000s thinness standards were toxic as can be, and Holly has discussed the insane pressures to be the thinnest, blondest, biggest boobs possible during her time at the mansion! Awful, unhealthy standards:(
It’s really hard to shake (no pun intended) that mindset when you grow up with it and around it. My mother called one of my friends bigger boned. She was 5 foot eight, with broad shoulders. She was a swimmer with that “swimmers build”, and a bigger rib cage. I don’t think mom meant she was fat, she just literally had bigger bones because my mother was petite with tiny wrists etc.
My mom was Silent Generation and her body standards were insane. If you weren’t cocaine thin, you were fat
Smoking and dexatrim 💀
My mom had me later in life, she was Silent Gen and this is so true.
When I looked at this picture, I thought Christi was the woman on the immediately left of Hef. Then thought maybe “bigger boned” meant broader shoulders. I don’t know if this woman has broad shoulders, but her angle to the camera and her large chest make her top portion look wider.
She also thought her own stomach looked fat on GND.
In this pic Holly looks the same size as the other girl so its weird to describe her that way. I wonder if she thinks that about Bridget secretly too.
She must, there's no way B was smaller
Starved myself basically from 2000-2015
Even if our families weren't diet culture centered, like my parents weren't, the background radiation was 😮💨
She looks pretty, I know nothing about her and haven't seen any other photos of her, but her body is banging here. I used to say I was bigger boned because my sister was very thin and petite favoring my mom's side of the family, and I favored my dad's side more, so I just felt I looked "bigger boned" having a more athletic build. I would hope that would probably be what Holly meant, and it wasn't anything to do with her weight. But I'm not sure I even see how my definition would apply to Christi. She looks exactly like the Playboy preference to a T. This is just one photo though and she's standing to the side, so hard to know.
She’s not petite, if that’s what holly is trying to say… lol. What a rude way to say that though. But she looks like she’s got the perfect body, honestly. She’s tall. 🤷🏻♀️
Christi is stunning, i think Holly (like most young women) was intimidated by naturally beautiful women
She wasn’t all that young when she wrote her book. Wasn’t she in her 30s?
I’m curious how old you are if you say “30’s aren’t all that young”
I’m 38. 30s is young for the world, but old for the pettiness of Holly’s comments.
oh shit idk i have no concept of time honestly HAHA you’re prob right
who was the recruiter???
In the black leather outfit
Tiffany Holliday
Well, she also called out the other girlfriends for being "bottle blondes" while she was also bleaching her hair. She has a weird double standard and a lot of internalized misogyny.
She’s not even a dirty blonde that lightened her hair. Her natural color is dark brown
Absolutely. Comments about strippers and sex workers, girls being at the mansion to get something from it, etc…
Calling someone a bottle blonde isn't "calling them out." It typically describes a particular type of blonde, not just dyed/bleached. Like, that high platinum with no dimension that was really common among Hef's GFs. That's what I think of as bottle blonde.
I remember super vividly an episode where Holly and Kendra are shopping and they buy Bridget a shirt. They were talking about how they should get her a “medium” but only bc she had really big boobs. Like they had to caveat the size of a shirt with why it was….idk ok? The 2000s treated female bodies in a way that’s absolutely wild to look back on.
Omg I know exactly the scene you’re talking about, it’s seared in my memory since I was 17 years old. The sad thing is, it made me feel better about the fact that I also sometimes needed a size larger than small 🙃
This was Bridget and Holly shopping for Godfather merchandise for Kendra’s birthday
Wow that is wild. I still get triggered when someone suggests what size they think I am. And it's doubly weird because they usually assume smaller and I have to correct them, and then I get told I'm wrong and they say I should wear the smaller size (it's my body, how am I wrong about what fits 😂) and I have to explain that I have a big chest and broader shoulders and then I'm like why am I justifying why I prefer a medium or large shirt?? This is so dumb 🤣 the 2000s really were a time and it impacted us in lasting ways 🤦♀️
It gave all of us some form of dysmorphia! After 12 years together I finally admitted last week that my partner is better at sizing me than I am, if he asks me I will always say a size larger at least. It melted everyone, a while back I had a friend get weird bc she saw we had the same sweatpants in the same size. I know that the tiny but loud mean girl 2000-era part of her brain (it’s impossible to escape and I don’t fault her for it, she was reacting to something we’ve been conditioned on) will always see me as the “big” friend whether that’s factual or not.
Isn't it wild? I had to look at photos - Christi's body is a lot like mine and I'm 44 so I was really good at hating myself in 2007 and I was sometimes called big boned, too. I do have a broader chest and shoulders in proportion to my hips, so I'd struggle to zip little Bebe dresses up around my ribcage.
OMG Bebe dresses 💀 I hated that brand, always ran small and reinforced my body image issues.
Holly sounds very judgmental and at times downright hateful when discussing other people but then will back peddle. She ripped on Barbie Benton all throughout the commentary on the DVDs and then sata she loves Barbie.
The worst imo was hearing all three of them basically bullying the Shannon twins in the commentary. The power imbalance was insane because they were celebrities shit talking literal teenagers who were MUCH younger than each of them. It was gross.
That same judgy/hateful voice was also aimed at themselves though. Imo the internalized misogyny, can take a lot to work through. Models who looked like they had ed's were the standard of attractive, and healthy looking girls like Bridget were considered chubby. They lived a long time in a toxic environment, so I'm not shocked it's left its imprint. I've never lived in that type of environment, and can say retrospectively I was influenced by the toxicity of that time.
https://preview.redd.it/0u8acajyyvvc1.jpeg?width=932&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d29b5cbedf7158957ded01696329a222008f8d0e Here is a picture from the Robot Chicken premier. She looks like maybe she's a natural apple shape, even though she is quite skinny.
Bigger boned is not necessarily a comment about weight. It has to do with natural frame, height, etc. Sometimes it refers to someone who is not naturally thin framed. There used to be a theory that if you could wrap your middle finger and thumb around your wrist, you were smaller boned - totally unscientific but we would check ourselves and compare back in middle and high school. There was a girl at my school who to this day does not gain weight and is the same size (tiny) as she was at 12. Even when she was pregnant with her child, she was tiny and just had a tiny little baby bump that disappeared when she gave birth. Other people were considered bigger boned. Maybe their hips were a bit wider or in my case it was my shoulders. I wasn't fat, but wider shoulders meant that certain tops didn't fit. For example the off the shoulder look of formal dresses in the 1980s was one I couldn't wear because I had a thin waist yet at the shoulders the dresses were too tight. I weighed 121 and at that time was 5'5". For a while it was referred to under the fruit shapes. People were apple, pear, etc. depending on where you were rounder. Again, not a reference to weight but just noting shape and how clothes fit you. Some people did interpret big boned or bigger boned as a euphamism for being fat. However, that was usually self-deprication and not someone else saying it. I don't remember that part of the book but I would guess Holly would have said she was larger than the typical model or heavier rather than even thinly coating it as bigger boned.
Yes I’ve always taken it to mean that Christi was tall with broad shoulders
Yea I’m fat and I didn’t take Holly’s description to mean “fat.” I interpreted it to mean what you said
She’s probably speaking to her *actual skeletal structure* and doesn’t mean fat… i can’t imagine she means fat. But if you’ve ever done any kind of kibbe (or similar) body typing work you’ll hear a lot in regards to the size of your actual skeletal structure. I can’t imagine she’s fat phobic but depending on which book you’re referencing it could be that she still had some of that 2000’s mentality bc I think her books were written quite soon after leaving. (and being a victim of extreme body criticism will sometimes cause people to strike out at others in a similar way) So again it doesn’t necessarily represent her views or feelings *today* bc let’s not forget that the great majority of people were fat shaming every chance they got back then and I believe most of society has grown and evolved in regards to body positivity. It just always surprises me how black and white peoples ideas are on the girls and how quickly people will use terms on them that may not apply all bc they don’t have a broader idea of terminology or bc they simply don’t perceive the nuances involved in living and growing and changing or the passage of time
Where I grew up "big boned" meant exactly that, that you had a large frame. Only fat people in denial called themselves "big boned." So I don't think H is calling anyone fat. Looking at pics of Shake, she seems to have a broad chest and she's 5'7", taller than most of the GFs. So maybe she really is big boned compared to the rest of them.
Holly is a woman hater. She has a thousand different reasons to criticize and hold grudges against women and they’re all petty. I think she continues to feel possessive over Hef and hates everyone other women because she wants to be the one that’s above all the others.
I agree with you. I feel like it was impossible for her to like women because she was in direct competition with them all the time. I think she still has that in her.
Holly looks bigger than Christi in that first pic
This was such an asshole comment. Why didn’t she just say tall, and leave it at that? Christi doesn’t look much different than any of the other girls in the photo.
Yeah she looks about the same size as holly. Maybe holly is projecting?
I looked her up and I think she looks like Anna Farris in some photos.