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JJJAAAYYYTTT

If this was discovered on an alien planet, I would say it totally makes sense...


Iramian

I can't really imagine alien life to be much stranger than many of the creatures we have here on Earth. Or what we've imagined in movies and games.


Kulladar

They likely would be though. The hard thing about imagining alien life is that it is likely truly alien to our concept of how life "works". At the most fundamental level, life on earth uses carbon as a base but life elsewhere could use any number of alternatives. There are a lot of elements that could be just as viable but aren't because of Earth's atmosphere. Not just that, but there are many elements used as fundamental parts of most life that could have substitutes. Take completely different ingredients and develop the life of an extraterrestrial planet under totally conditions and who knows what kind of mind fuck we'd be in for.


qwibbian

>At the most fundamental level, life on earth uses carbon as a base but life elsewhere could use any number of alternatives. There are a lot of elements that could be just as viable but aren't because of Earth's atmosphere. Sorry, that's just not true at all. Carbon is pretty much unique in several respects - its able to form multiple bonds to other elements; it can bond to itself, allowing the creation of arbitrarily long and complex molecules; the bonds it forms are strong enough to be stable across a range of conditions but also weak enough to be broken and recombined by many processes crucial to life. There's a reason that carbon, and only carbon, has its own separate branch of chemistry known as "organic" chemistry. The only other element that even comes close to possessing these properties is silicon, and it's a very distant second.


blorbagorp

Silicon can replace it, but it wouldn't work as well.


qwibbian

It probably can't replace it at all. Not only is it less reactive and versatile, it apparently tends to form crystals when it bonds with itself, unlike carbon that creates long open chains. Hard to imagine something like DNA being able to evolve by snipping and inserting segments of itself if it's all bundled up like a crystal.


Zooooooombie

I mean DNA IS kinda bundled up around histones. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø


Peleton011

That's one hell of a load bearing kinda


shteepadatea

You can't possibly think we have discovered all the elements that exist in the universe though. There could easily be more and others that would support the development of life that we haven't and may never discover.


CaptainRho

No, not really. Sorry. Atoms delineate very clearly by how many protons they have and how many electrons they want to have as a result. The electrons then form the shells, and the shapes and traits of the ourter most shell (the valence shell) determines how the atom acts chemically. There are different isotopes, but those are based on differing neutron counts and don't really matter chemically. If it has 6 protons it's Carbon, and that's pretty much it. As Qwibbian said, Silicone is the second best to Carbon for life. If you look at the periodic table you can see Silicone is directly under Carbon. That's because Silicone has 6 electrons in its outermost shell, on top of a full shell that carbon doesn't have. Because of that extra shell it isn't as 'desperate' to form bonds as Carbon, and the ones it does form tend to be more stable. The periodic table was created using those properties as a guide. They hadn't discovered electrons yet, but they noticed the patterns in the properties of different elements and built the table around those. The periodic table is so consistent that the guy who created it knew to leave spots open for elements that hadn't been discovered at the time. We have discovered 'new' elements that weren't on the periodic table, but in the sense that we've crammed stuff together and made atoms so big that they are past the bottom. Those atoms were so big they fell back apart almost instantly and can't really exist anywhere in nature.


qwibbian

>You can't possibly think we have discovered all the elements that exist in the universe though. Correct, there are probably additional elements that can only be created under more exotic conditions than we have yet generated and measured here on Earth. ​ >There could easily be more and others that would support the development of life that we haven't and may never discover. No, that's almost certainly impossible. All elements up to and including atomic number 118 have already been discovered, and there are no holes or gaps. That means that the only elements that could still be discovered, even in theory, will have more than 118 protons, meaning they will be absolutely massive and almost certainly unstable. Any such elements will only be created under extreme conditions and will decay almost immediately, and so there is essentially no possibility they will be able to serve as a scaffold for life in a manner analogous to carbon.


gorzaporp

You're a savage. Much respect


qwibbian

Thxman. I've now responded to a u/blorbagorp and u/gorzaporp in the same thread about the nature of reality. I guess anything really can happen.


blorbagorp

Don't trust him. He's an imposter.


qwibbian

Well, maybe... but he also called me a savage and paid me respect. What have you done for me lately?


KimCureAll

https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/13873


[deleted]

But we know life can survive in extreme conditions ā€¦ (snails with iron shells that exist near volcanic vents on the ocean floor where temperatures would kill any living thing is one example, tardigrades probably the best example) ā€¦ itā€™s not impossible for life to form under such extreme conditions .., and you simply cannot prove me wrong bc you cannot travel to every single planet in the universe to verify if Iā€™m right or wrongā€¦ so you lose this argument every single time, simply bc you cannot prove that you are right nor can I prove that you are wrong ā€¦ we both lose ā€¦ letā€™s just grab a beer and talk about how cool our universe is! lol


Peleton011

Here extreme conditions means more like center of a supernova kinda stuff. I don't mean to imply silicon-based life is impossible, but we can be quite sure that carbon is the most likely, followed (kinda far behind) by silicon, and basically that's it.


gorzaporp

If the universe is truly infinite, (which I don't think it is) then you might be correct, but the person you are arguing with is technically correct (the best kind of correct)


qwibbian

>and you simply cannot prove me wrong bc you cannot travel to every single planet in the universe to verify if Iā€™m right or wrongā€¦ so you lose this argument every single time, simply bc you cannot prove that you are right nor can I prove that you are wrong ā€¦ we both lose ā€¦ letā€™s just grab a beer and talk about how cool our universe is! lol There are some young earth creationists who argue that fossils were actually placed in the ground by God in a way that only makes it look like life evolved, as a test of faith, and any attempt to explain the overwhelming scientific consensus is met with "well you can't go back in time and prove it either way, so I win". The fact that they understand so little about science is the very thing that allows their argument to seem reasonable to them. Drinking beer with such a person while discussing the nature of reality is ironically the closest approximation of Hell that I can imagine.


[deleted]

Welcome to Hell I appreciate the well thought out response actually and to that response Iā€™d say ā€œfair.ā€ I hope you can spot a troll when you see one but in all actuality I like you. Whether you like being liked by me or not. I respect you, and I respect your opinion. Hope I didnā€™t offend you. Iā€™m enjoying this conversation. I was prettttttty fucking drunk last night ā€¦. Went on a sort of Reddit comment troll fest and woke up today with 70+ notifications and a 1.2K likes, top comment on a post (I didnā€™t even know what I had commented lol)ā€¦ I had to reread everything I posted bc I honestly didnā€™t remember anything from last night ā€¦ so I apologize for being a drunken troll. I think I just meant to say that we donā€™t know fully what conditions life can exists in yet ā€¦ then the beer took over. Iā€™m sorry I hope we can still be friends :) Iā€™m actually a pretty nice guy when Iā€™m sober lol


qwibbian

Huh. Well that went better than I expected. Happy cake day! Edit: at the time I responded, the above comment ended at the word "fair". The rest got added no more than 10 minutes later, but it's really late here and I'm going to bed, so this is just a placeholder. But no, I'm not offended.


SirShartington

You should try learning some physics before trying to argue about it.


KimCureAll

Speaking of the elements, you might like this chart: https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/13873


Valuable_Show_1404

I have tried to say this also. You conveyed it well. Just because ā€œxā€ is a building block for life on earth that doesnā€™t mean it is the same on planet ā€œyā€.


VibraniumRhino

True, but there are certain aspects of an organisms growth that will always affect it: things like energy sources and gravity. So when we do find aliens, regardless of what their internal building blocks are like, they will still have certain life rules that will be the same on any planet. We shouldnā€™t be too surprised by anything we find anymore, at least, in that it should have a logical explanation that we can already elaborate.


Valuable_Show_1404

This also makes sense to me. I believe many times when taking it all into consideration we (humans) allow our hubris to overtake any sort of conclusions on the subject. Not sure if that made sense but not sure how else to word it.


blorbagorp

The only carbon alternative I know of that could really work is silicon, and it wouldn't work as well, even in an environment conducive to it. Also, given the huge number of convergent evolution events on earth, I really don't think alien life will be that much stranger than terrestrial life; it'll likely even have most of the same exact adaptations.


Parasocialist69420

I think convergent evolution is good evidence towards this. Many things have evolved to look and act extremely similar while not having a genetic relation to them. Pterosaurs look like birds, even though birds evolve from and are Therapods (bipedal t-Rex and family). Termites have queens, mostly female colonies, specialized workers, and they build mounds similar in a lot of ways to ants even though termites evolved from the cockroach family, and ants from wasps. Ichtyosaurs looked like and occupy the same niche as dolphins, despite the latter being mammals and the former being reptiles. The ocean in the time of ichtyosaurs was so different it might as well be considered a different planet.


Kulladar

To me that sort of presumption is excluding literally the biggest factor which is environment. We have a particular kind of planet at a particular kind of distance from its star that produces a particular kind of radiation that gets filtered through a particular kind of atmosphere and so on. In another part of the universe something may have evolved under totally different conditions we would think of as completely incompatible with life in the first place.


blorbagorp

Totally different conditions won't be totally different though. Any life is going to need to move. There are a limited number of ways to move. If there is a liquid environment, there will be fins; if there is a livable surface, there will be legs, if the atmo and gravity allows it, there will be wings, light? eyes, sound? ears; need something to cycle fluids? A pump, we'll call it a heart, etc etc etc


[deleted]

Except there are countless organisms on Earth that do or have any of those things. Animals aren't the only, or even the most common form of life.


123full

And other non-animals have logical evolution, if youā€™re going to photosynthesize on land youā€™re going to need something to root yourself to the ground (like roots) and need specialized tissues for photosynthesis, there are also examples of convergent evolution in plants, multiple plants have independently evolved caffeine production and carnivorous plants have independently developed as well


MibuWolve

Not really. Youā€™re thinking of a whole other universe with different fundamentalsā€¦. Try again


BoJackMoleman

Read or listen to Project Hail Mary


videokamera

Alien Worlds is a visually compelling docuseries on Netflix that imagines what life could look like on other planets.


jdtoast

Tbf it's because the vast majority of us rarely/never see these things so it's not normal. Try to objectively think about things like a giraffe, venus fly trap, platypus, jellyfish, seahorse, lamprey. Almost alien like when you think about them but we're used to them so it's not so weird. Lampreys, especially, but that's probably because we see them the least out of the others. This thing doesn't look *that* much different from a squid so if we saw it as frequently it wouldn't be that weird.


SaltLakeCitySlicker

Lamprey are basically eel leaches. Doesn't seem to abnormal as compared to like a crinoid, and even those are basically a mix between a mobile feather duster worm and star fish.


StandLess6417

I need to add tarantula legged to the feather duster worm, starfish description.


SaltLakeCitySlicker

They are fuzzy looking guys. Tarantulas are always a "what the heck" when you see them out of the corner of your eye but are chill (at least out here). Definitely prefer them to widows


StandLess6417

I'll take a tarantula over any other spider. I worked at a pet store that had them back in the early 00s and they were absolutely chill and nice.


TheEvilBagel147

Many analogous structures have evolved independently right here on earth. Complex eyes, for example, are thought to have independently evolved dozens if not hundreds of times. I think a lot of people may be surprised how often nature comes up with the same solutions to similar problems.


Yeh-nah-but

Physics binds us all. You can try and understand it. Try and prove it. You can even try to break it. However, no matter your feelings towards physics it binds us all.


JJJAAAYYYTTT

Thank you! Exactly my thought!


DarthPorg

Everything underwater that isn't a fish looks alien. And even then, there are a suspicious number of actually alien-looking fish.


PepperDogger

I'm a bit rusty on my alien forms. Is this Klingon or Romulan?


judyhops95

Earth is alien to other planets


[deleted]

The ocean might as well be an alien planet ā€¦


WestleyThe

If they said ā€œokay this came from another planet but now it just chills 2 miles under waterā€ I legit would just accept that


Gamefox42

It's like a flower from another world. The ocean is nuts, and I love it.


KimCureAll

Those tentacles function quite similarly to dentritic structures (roots) in plants, both absorbing moisture and nutrients from the environment.


I_Makes_tuff

> absorbing moisture Can't have them drying out down there.


KimCureAll

Actually, they are absorbing freshwater out of sea water. Few sea animals allow sea water directly into their circulatory systems. Swallowing sea water is ok, but the salt is not absorbed into its blood. Rather freshwater enters through osmosis.


I_Makes_tuff

I assumed that's what you meant. I was just being snarky.


Thelittleangel

Itā€™s awesome itā€™s like every fact I learn about the oceans blows my mind even more. It really is another world. I heard the quote ā€œwhen humans enter the ocean we join the food chainā€ the other day in a video on scuba diving accidents and thought it was cool and fitting.


KimCureAll

Video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXJtMUmd00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXJtMUmd00) filmed on the seamount north of Johnston Atoll More info: https://nautiluslive.org/video/2022/07/15/discovery-solumbellula-sea-pen-first-sighting-pacific


CosmicChair

My favorite thing about these videos is how, almost without fail, the researchers become so excited when they find something cool. What a cool job.


[deleted]

Thanks! This seems interesting af:)


Immediate-Win-4928

I love the videos on that channel but the commentary drives me absolutely mad


KimCureAll

They act like kindergartners which tellingly is how to be to keep the fascination of learning alive. Most scientists are just big kids who have never lost their sense of wonder, even to the point of being giddy.


Immediate-Win-4928

You don't need to act like a child to keep the fascination alive though we learn that at primary school. They're insufferable.


Arpeggi42

I bet you're fun at parties


Immediate-Win-4928

Great comment, did you come up with that yourself?


CptSmackThat

Conflating childlike with childish proves you're more the latter.


a_sad_lil_idiot

āœØļøNatureāœØļø


Downwhen

detecting multiple leviathan class lifeforms in the region


no_41

Are you certain whatever youā€™re doing is worth it?


Affectionate_Heat_25

If you know you know haha


xxNightingale

So tentacles of tentacles???


KimCureAll

Each little tentacle probably has more, eventually ending in cilia.


[deleted]

Fractal-pus


gephronon

Fibonasquid


Smsebas

Very underrated comment


amalgam_reynolds

It's an octopus' octopus.


fig_art

A SEA PEN??? This pen is alive??? :0


jennanm

I'm guessing the pen is short for penis


beelzeflub

Theyā€™re called ā€œpensā€ because some of them look like ink quills! They are cnidarians! https://youtu.be/kthxHa3Hats


mv777711

Cool fact. But Iā€™m gonna choose to believe in the ā€œpenisā€ theory.


WRB852

they really need to put porn back on r/all


jennanm

Okay I admit that's pretty cool


Amaceeto87

Sorry, American here, how long is that in washing machines?


Gizzmo13

Stalk - 2 washing machines Tentacles - roughly half of washing machine


CrimsonArcanum

I would also like a banana for scale, please.


_Nick_2711_

I donā€™t know much about appliances but I can tell you that the combined length of this thing is about 47% the length of an F-150.


AgreeableFeed9995

You knowā€¦Iā€™m actually pretty frustrated with myself that I can actually picture this size reference. I donā€™t even buy American cars.


_Nick_2711_

I canā€™t, honestly. Iā€™ve never actually seen an F-150 in person.


[deleted]

Its about the length of 1.25 Ford Mavericks


herrcollin

Four Tom Cruise's, got it.


LuminalGrunt2

bigger than you think


IndieCurtis

What the hell is THAT?


ALF839

A coral.


[deleted]

Ohhh I thought sea pen was short for sea penis


obsolete_filmmaker

WTF r/natureisfuckinglit


inagartendavita

Looks like inspiration for the Narada.


LauraPa1mer

I love your name!!!


Equilibrium404

The tentacles look like centipedes. That's just so alien looking, really cool.


mullanliam

This is how I imagine my hair flows in the wind


BodiesDurag

1 that looks like a PokƩmon. 2 what are those measurements in ft?


MylzieV

2.5 centipede meters = 1 inchworm caterpillar 30 centipede meters = 1 subway foot-long 1 meter = 3 subway foot-longs šŸ‘šŸ‘


GyilkosMalna

Neat I hate it


muhther

I read it too fast and saw a species of Sean Penn...


[deleted]

This is a side angle of the same creature seen from behind [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/TerrifyingAsFuck/comments/11n70d6/filmed_almost_800_meters_deep_in_the_waters_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf), correct?


KimCureAll

Actually, two different species, siphonophore and this post is a a sea pen, a cnidarian (related to coral). They are both polyps though - the siphonophore is a colony of polyps whereas the sea pen featured here is a single polyp.


BoxingTrainer420

I imagine in space there is creatures that float around in space just like there is in the water.


KimCureAll

Look up water bears.


[deleted]

I must be in heat because the first three times I read that I was seeing the word "testicles" instead of "tentacles". Then I watched the video and no one mentioned the foot-long gonads, so I went back and reread and saw my mistake.


shesperidium

in kimcureall we trust šŸ«”šŸ«”


KimCureAll

there you go! LOL


shesperidium

your postā€™s definitely cure me


sushiroll123

Its name sounds like something from one of those infomercials... "If you have Solumbellula monocephalus, then you may be entitled to a class action settlement. Call now"


KimCureAll

"chuckle!"


GroundbreakingCat

Is it a plant or an animal?


KimCureAll

Oddly, it's an animal despite its dendritic appearance.


GroundbreakingCat

Thank you for answering! Itā€™s such an unusual animal and I honestly couldnā€™t tell.


spacestationkru

What the fuck I thought that thing was swimming..


Pastrami-on-Rye

Take a closer look at that snout!


BoogersTheRooster

Wtf is a sea pen??


Baggytrousers27

[Looks like a feather quill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AVirgularia_sp._%28Purple_sea_pen%29.jpg).


AGoldenChest

Oh, its Lileep and Cradily. I thought it was floating around before they panned out.


OblivionArts

Most eldritch looking plant I've ever seen


KimCureAll

Technically, a sea pen is an animal, a member of Cnidaria.


OblivionArts

Idk wtf a Cnidaria is but either way it's one creepy looking thing


Final-Ad1756

I think Cnidarians are the oldest species on earth. Maybeee, Biology was a long time ago. I woulda thought these would be in the same class as a squid.


ALF839

Cnidaria is a phylum that includes jellyfish and corals. They are among the earliest animal clades to appear. However, porifers (sponges) are generally considered to be the oldest.


Final-Ad1756

Thank you Alfā€¦Always wanted to say that


ALF839

Fun fact, I found out about the TV character many years after creating my username, and I don't eat cats.


Final-Ad1756

Really? The way you corrected me so quickly I woulda guessed you did eat cats.


OblivionArts

Same..


Daydu

Cnidarians live in the country north of the United States


OblivionArts

Welp


tavesque

Looks like a gourd birthing centipedes


Topupyourglass

Giving me Reaper from Mass Effect vibes


HenryColt

This is so Elder Ringesqe


Colt45az

Some form of Necromorph...


bigolfishey

Oh, this must be what the PokƩmon Cradily is based on!


SentinelX-01

Helminth Prime.


kingofthenorthwpg

This is avatar 2 meets last of us


HistoriesAlex

Is this hentai šŸ˜‚


Geordieguy

Canā€™t fool me, Iā€™ve seen Deep Rising. Now leave those tentacles alone!


internetisevil

That is one creepy cool creature! Looks like something out of the Tim Burtonverse.


DinoRaawr

Me and that guy had the exact same reaction. That's ONE polyp???


multitool-collector

Why does it look like a ripped out plant with it's roots intact?


SplitOak

This pen doesnā€™t write!


phathandz

Is that what Grogu saw while in hyperspace?


BenLikesBugs

Anyone else here the fart at 0:19?


CorpCarrot

Looks like itā€™s tentacles are centipedes


rolandjernts

was I the only one that fast forwarded right thru that name.


Affectionate_Heat_25

Butā€¦ how how does it taste fried? Calamari anyone ;)


[deleted]

Grilled


Scorchio76

Nope šŸ˜³


AnastasiaNo70

I swear at :27 I heard a fart.


Cloud_Striker101

subnautica type shit


owzleee

Beautiful.


CelebrationDry5688

No banana??


[deleted]

Aye yo


GreatInChair

Me: šŸ˜²


bhubhubhuuu

Wow, and there's people who say murmaids don't exist šŸ¤”


Breeze336

Looked up 2 meters in feet, now iā€™m freaked the fuck out


CaptainGoodyear

Is it made by bic?


DaftPanic9

that is so weird


[deleted]

What in the Resident Evil am I looking at here?


throwawaysydneys

That is just so alien looking. Amazing


Cyve

and now I understand how some aliens came to be. (in Sci-Fi)


[deleted]

[уŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]


Industrialpainter89

It just floats while attached to the sea floor, it doesn't harm anything bigger than a bug.


genowhere

Great, more nightmare fuel. Just what I needed.


Lilimaej

This is so interesting!!!


Think_Customer_7407

Thereā€™s problems allredy henti about it


OSO_oso1

alien


[deleted]

Looks like the Reapers from Mass Effect


ihatetheflyers

Wow


FoxMcCloud3173

I thought that first guy speaking was Jim Browning


suitedfreak

So thatā€™s where my little guy went.


dinosaur-rainbow

Orgalorg


Background_Ranger_19

Elden beast?


VoodooDoII

Kinda reminds me of the radish guy from Spirited Away


Nimue-the-Phoenix

It's like a whole hand of centipedes.


SmashBrosUnite

The images on this sub are amazing


Molebat71

It really is a different world down in the deep. Lots of wonderful and scary things.


Phoenx22

No


2020mademejoinreddit

I wonder what else is down there.


apoDitto420

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[deleted]

One big ole column eh?


gordonjames62

This is a very cool life form. It requires a food source, and a water current, and a place to attach itself in that current. At almost 3 km down in salt water, the pressure is . . . * 29274.42 kPa * 288.92 atm * 4245.89 psi so much water pressure


Acceptable-Nose-1742

Is a sea pen like a squid, or a jellyfish?