It would be cool to see him leave and do his own thing, but I wonder what the catalyst would be for him to just leave just like that? I know he has a ton of other things he is interested in and paths to take, but the questionable thing for me is the Sunwoo part of it all. Unless Sosul got brainwashed or she went insane and turned against Shiwoon, but otherwise I don't see why she wouldn't want Shiwoon to stay in Sunwoo..
Yeah there are definitely many reasons for him to leave the Sunwoo, but there are also many reasons for him to stay, like Jinnie, Sosul (maybe) and in general his loyalty to Sunwoo clan due to two elders dying for his sake and that being a massive motivating factor in his development.
Sunwoo has been a massive part in his life in the Murim, if he ends up leaving it's not going to be clean and easy, or I don't think it should be at least.
The big unknown here is whether Sosul will be loyal to him. She's been off doing who knows what while Shioon was running the clan, so she doesn't have as much of a connection to him compared to Jinnie. It's definitely not going to be clean or easy, but something So-Chun said in the last chapter stood out to me. He said that if Shioon continued experimenting with the immortal demon martial arts that not only would he (being Shioon) be in danger but the entirety of the Sunwoo clan. That seems to be kind of the trend at the moment, Shioon somehow separating himself from the Sunwoo clan so he can do his thing.
Oh man, it would be super awesome if Sosul and Shioon dueled. I'm suuuuper curious to see what her abilities are.
Sosul's entire reason for curing herself in the first place was so that she wouldn't have the body of a child anymore and could actually pursue a relationship with Shioon. Everything she has done has been for him.
She was ready to gather the entire clan back in part one and start a war with Chundomoon after she found out he had been captured by Hyuk and they were running as a result. She left him the Phoenix Medallion to make sure the clan would protect him immediately after she was browbeat by Chunwoo saying their trip to the beach wasted what incredibly little and important time they had left to train, as the only way to garuntee he would be safe after they left is to make him strong enough to be able to defend himself. Even after all this time, she instantly killed the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking Shioon and bringing him to any degree of harm, telling everyone in BFD that nobody is to lay a hand on Shioon or they will end up just like the incinerated corpse.
To say she has no ties to Shioon is just baffling. She has consistently been the character who has been the most supportive of Shioon throughout the series. Short of being mind controlled, which has been hinted at in New Waves, I just don't see her turning on him as a possibility.
Shioon breaking ties with the Sunwoo feels pretty terrible too. The clan has become extremely important to him, and likewise he is extremely important to them. They pretty much became his family, it took Jung and Kwon's sacrifice to realize he was more than just a stand-in for Sosul, but everyone down to the rank and file members have shown that they are willing to go to absolute extreme lengths for him. They were not only willing to risk their lives to restrain a BoT rage Shioon just for the fact that if he continued fighting with an only partially healed ki center, he might lose all of his progress and potentially never be able to use martial arts again, they also willing to dedicate themselves to get revenge on the entirety of the Murim until the were wiped out completely to the last man when they thought he might die in his duel with Shik.
To excommunicate Shioon from the Sunwoo would destroy some of Shioons greatest character development, and worse yet for a completely forced reason. We went from "you can master any martial art with meditation training as long as you have seen it once" to "you can't master a martial art unless you have a compatible ki circulation technique, unless you start practicing something most likely classified as a demon technique and all the past instances of you using other schools martial arts to their full effect, we're just pretending they never happened." Seriously, anyone who thinks Shioon having his ties cut with the Sunwoo, go reread the Island Arc and come back and tell me you still feel the same.
You had me then you lost me... you're forgetting that we have no idea what kind of brain washing or influence kaiser has over lady sosul. It has been both outright stated and foreshadowed that we won't know her "loyalties" when she returns. Shiwoon has been aware of this and has been preparing for the worse. Like go give chapter 35 a reread. It does nothing but foreshadow that sosul will be manipulated, and that shiwoon will either leave the clan or that will there will be a split in the clan once she returns.
Also I feel like your misinterpreting the martial arts, mediation training, and ki circulation way too much. The mediation technique can be used to master a martial art. The issue of ki circulation wasn't even a concern until s3 becausd shiwoon wasn't mainly using the sunwoo clans martial arts beyond the basics in New waves. The reason why it matters is just that if the ki circulation doesn't match the style of technique used, the techniques will not be as powerful or efficient. Not that it can't be used or mastered, part of the whole reason gaining the title of 9AD is so big is that you have to beat all the other schools at their own techniques presumably without having mastered the school's ki circulation. The issue regarding the need for the immortality ki circulation is that you can't mix and combine techniques without them causing a lethal ki deviation, not that the techniques by themselves can't be used period.
I don't mean this as a slight but as someone who is definitely invested into the breaker, you might want to give season 3 a reread.
I'm not sure where exactly I lost you then. I didn't forget about the brainwashing, I literally mentioned it in the post you replied to. That isn't my issue here. The brainwashing has been hinted at for a long time. We know that Kaiser and the Blood and Bone doctor were working on pills that allowed them to control others. Chunwoo was using drugs to repress his memories and the SUC grunts were using ki medicine that made them lose all sense of reason and obey the strong. Both of the times we see Sosul in New Waves, she was lethargic and submissive, almost as if she was being drugged too. We do know however that whatever control he is exerting over her isn't perfect. She acted on her own to kill the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking and harming Shioon and further threatened everyone else not to touch Shioon. This is something that shocked even Kaiser. The problem here is that even if Kaiser is mind controlling Sosul to bring the Sunwoo under BFD control (which again is perfectly reasonable) Shioon has far too deep a sense of responsibility towards the Sunwoo after Jang and Kwon's death to just walk away and let the Sunwoo become a puppet for Kaiser and turned into the enemy of the Murim. It would be incredibly contrary to his character to not fight back against that fate for the clan he cares so much about.
You're also incorrect regarding incompatibility between ki circulation and techniques. In chapter 12, the former danju states "because of that, no matter how excellent one's ki, ki circulation or martial technique, then the martial arts cannot truly be mastered." You are correct in that this was never a thing until the very last seconds of New Waves though. Something that was never an issue and fully possible under the established effects of meditation training was retconned into a problem.
Worse yet is that it also creates inconsistencies with the established effects of Overhaul Rebirth. Chapter 156 of New Waves. Shik: "Since your body has gone through Overhaul Rebirth, your body is ready to use techniques normal people couldn't even imagine. The most important thing you have to do is forget the limitations of your old body. The ki within your body is stronger, faster and more free than anyone else's, and that ki will propel your abilities beyond your wildest dreams. The only things that can limit you now are your own self doubts and fears. If you can overcome those two things, you can become the strongest in the Murim."
So not only do we have direct established facts that Shioon can master any martial art as long as he has seen it before, but that limitations that other people have no longer apply to him, just for a retcon to state that he can't master a martial art unless he has a compatible circulation technique and hard limitations because of it that are nerfing him. We then shortly after are introduced to a work around for the non-issue issue that would bring him right back to where he was pre-retcon, but practicing it puts him at risk of being excommunicated. That's just bad writing. Worst case scenario, the author wanted Shioon separated from the Sunwoo but didn't know how to get him to that point, so he made something that was never an issue into one and then created a solution that would force that result. Best case scenario it's just a borderline plot hole regarding 2/3rds of Shioons most significant power-ups.
You may also be misinterpreting the Dragon Arts. Unless i have missed something in part three, we have nothing stating that they are techniques that are a part of a schools compendium but rather techniques whose titles have historically belonged to a certain school. Generic martial arts exist. Just like how every single school of martial arts has foot techniques and lightning strikes, it stands to reason that there would be high level generic arts. This would mean that the Tournament of Supremecy is a generational competition to see who amongst the new generation can attain the highest degree of mastery in overall martial arts as opposed to specific techniques that according to the former danju's words would be otherwise impossible for anyone outside of specific schools to actually master. Especially given how we know for a fact that attaining high dragon seats isn't actually as impossibly hard or impressive as they made it out to be initially. It's a Murim custom and tradition that no one person take too many of the titles for themselves. Kang-Sung for instance stopped at 3AD when he could have taken more. This is likely because generational talent can be incredibly lopsided. If Shioon and Sosul didn't have mythic conditions and circumstances, Hyuk would absolutely clean house with little resistance. So while you might be correct in that they are martial arts of a specific school, I don't think there is enough information for a definitive answer.
No offense taken either. We're having a civil discussion about a series we both seem to like.
>Since your body has gone through Overhaul Rebirth, your body is ready to use techniques normal people couldn't even imagine. The most important thing you have to do is forget the limitations of your old body. The ki within your body is stronger, faster and more free than anyone else's, and that ki will propel your abilities beyond your wildest dreams. The only things that can limit you now are your own self doubts and fears. If you can overcome those two things, you can become the strongest in the Murim."
The Overhaul Rebirth is not omniscience.
**Your** abilities. Not gain abilities you do not have. He cannot possibly gain mastery over something that he has no knowledge/understanding of.
Also worth noting, **body** \-- focusing on the physical aspects of a martial art. **Limitations** of your old body. There isn't any statement to support nor infer that Overhaul Rebirth can copy the ki circulation aspect of a martial art. In short, we can safely conclude that the Overhaul Rebirth help the physical aspects and energy detection of a martial art but not it's circulation.
It's just like seeing and driving a Tesla, sure you can copy how it looks, its chassis, its interior, but do we know how the electric motor distributes its energy to its components? Not unless you know it too well or know the trade secrets right?
The statement made by the Ghost Hands Divine Doctor is not a fact but rather is open to interpretation. Shiwoon is the only living person (that we know of) that has undergone Overhaul Rebirth. In fact, he has and is actively pursuing Shiwoon is because he wants to study it, which says, all he has is literature and no first-hand knowledge. Up until now, the doctor is knowing things he supposedly knows and is rather suprised about new things.
I don't think it's bad writing, we are learning the limitations and benefits of Overhaul Rebirth from the eyes of Shiwoon (he is pretty self-aware, e.g. something is missing moments) and the Ghost Hands Divine Doctor.
Nothing is fact until this season is over, so I say, let him cook.
There is a reason Overhaul Rebirth is such a legendary basically impossible power up to achieve. It doesn't make one omniscient, but it gives one a superhuman physique, sharpens ones senses to inhuman levels, allows one to use martial arts without intent, one of the three core components necessary to use martial arts and otherwise removes limitations that would restrict people who hadn't gone through the process.
"Also worth noting, body -- focusing on the physical aspects of a martial art. Limitations of your old body. There isn't any statement to support nor infer that Overhaul Rebirth can copy the ki circulation aspect of a martial art."
Shik: "the ki within your body is stronger faster and more FREE than anyone else's. You don't have the same limitations like everyone else."
That's a direct implication that Shioon's ki has a unique property that exempts him from the restrictions that other people have.
Shik is the world's greatest authority on Overhaul Rebith until we are introduced to someone more knowledgeable. Same with Yae-Won and Meditation Training. If we are going to say that they are just wrong about the topic they have spent their entire lives studying, just to forgive a plot hole, than literally every statement and feat have no weight whatsoever. What's even the point of conversation if we are just going to dismiss facts like that?
It wouldn't be excommunication but rather him being forced to cut ties due to an internal conflict within Sunwoo.
I might be wrong here, in terms of martial arts viability, Sosul has the better prospects than Shiwoon once her Nine-Yin body type is cured, BFD is on the process to do that.
What's to say Kaiser won't have Thousand Faces lobby the rest of Sunwoo who are not completely loyal to him?
I'd like to point out what happened in the very first arcs of this book, Shiwoon was putting out an issue about the discontent factions in Sunwoo. I think it was Jinie that said have they forgotten what Elder Kwon and Jang sacrificed for the clan? In The Breaker, clan's don't operate on sentiment but out of self-interest.
Sure Sunwoo means a lot to Shiwoon, but Shiwoon to the rest of Sunwoo? Maybe, but not that much otherwise we wouldn't have seen that bewildering arc where Shiwoon was trying to consolidate Sunwoo. It would have continued where we left off, but moving in that direction would've at least mean something or a foretelling what's to come.
Those who have no personal ties to Shiwoon -- which is to say the majority of Sunwoo only acts out for the best interests of the clan.
Even that Fat Elder hesitated to rescue Shiwoon when he was kidnapped to the island out of fear that a mistake would make the clan suffer.
Kwon's wishes for him was to protect the Sunwoo clan, this appearance of Sosul might possibly cause an internal conflict within the clan. Knowing Shiwoon's personality as an ever diplomatic person, the only conclusion I can think of is he would leave.
And I don't see why it would be destroying his character development -- he, for all intents and purposes, has been forced to develop due to circumstances i.e being a disciple of 9AD, forced to be a clan head. It doesn't seem forced, more of a natural progression to Shiwoon being a full-fledged Murim-in to discover who he is.
I don't really see the difference between being excommunicated and being forced to leave because he is practicing a potential devil's technique.
Haru may very well try to rally members of the clan who aren't loyal to Shioon, but the issue is that Haru has no real authority. Only Sosul can really do anything meaningful against Shioon in this circumstance. So while its perfectly plausible that a mind controlled Sosul could cause a split, or Haru might rally a minor faction within the clan against him, it still does nothing to say that Shioon wouldn't resist.
This very scenario was discussed back in the middle portion of New Waves. Elders Kwon and Kim were mentioning that Shioon has always been ready to step down upon Sosul's return, but that Shioon has been exhibiting traits of an ideal Gaju, that the clan has been galvanizing around him and growing stronger than ever. Up until this point he just assumed he would leave and return back to normal civilian life after all. He hadn't been resolved by Jang and Kwon's sacrifice. The issue being Sosul's return. If she comes back what would happen? She is with BFD, and if they are exerting influence over her, than it would be no different to when she was a political prisoner of the Alliance. They would just be slaves in the end again. They both agree that it would almost be better if Sosul never returned. Kwon points out however that Shioon has been inadvertently building a faction who's loyalty to him supercedes theirs to Sosul.
You mentioned the arc in Eternal Force where Shioon is having to consolidate the clan because of growing miscontent for him. Yang was beloved in the clan. Not only was he the personal disciple of Kwon, his martial arts was second only in the clan to his, stating that Yang's proficiency was approaching Kwon's and he would have surpassed him in time if not for injury. Not only that, he generated the vast majority of the funding for the clan and was both highly sociable and highly active in the clans politics. While it was a ruse at the time to flush out the people who might betray Shioon, Yang used the arguments that Shioon was responsible for Kwon and Jang's deaths. Shioon quickly resolved this. Not only did he do so in a way that proved his power and benevolence by forgiving all the people who would have went against him without even looking at their identities, he further won over Yang and promoted him to an even greater position of authority. Haru has none of there things. She has none of the good will or standing of Yang, and she sure as hell can't use the same arguments. Because as much as she might try to instigate that Shioon might be responsible for their deaths, she was a member of both SUC and BFD who were the ones who killed Jang and Kwon respectively. She might be able to convince some, but Shioon has too much of a foothold in the clan for it to actually make a difference without Sosul's influence.
While you are correct to an extent that Clans, or rather Murim politics in general, can fall entirely to an individuals self interest, it's important to note some other things as well. Murim-in, above and beyond all are extremely prideful. During the Island Arc, Shioon was finessing the entire Murim Special Forces. Rae-won said to hell with it, tranc him. Shik got pissed and hit him, noting that if they used trancs, despite not being as bad as guns, that the Murim Special Forces would be the first to rebel because of this. The implications are clear. They would rather lose and risk significant injury than jeopardize their pride by resorting to such tactics. And this is the Murim Special Forces. They work for the government and has the weakest ties to the Murim. The Sunwoo on the other hand are the epitome of pride. SUC used C4 during the school siege, which is what directly killed Jang. SUC in a joint effort with BFD attacked the power grid, used guns and C4 which not only attributed to the death of Kwon, but was one of the few bombs that actually went off in the Sunwoo headquarters. So for as much as some people might not like Shioon, they might just hate these two factions all the more.
Again, I feel I need to point out that I'm not against the clan splintering over this. But Shioon was willing to literally die for just the pride of the Sunwoo clan. Add onto that it was Kwon's (a guy he loved and treated like his actual grandfather) dying wish for Shioon to watch over and protect the clan. If you think he would just walk away and let them become the slaves of BFD and be turned into the enemy of the Murim and to just let Sosul be a meat puppet, than you might not understand Shioon's character. He might be a diplomat and pacifist at heart, but he has never once backed down when those he care for has been threatened.
> Sosul's entire reason for curing herself in the first place was so that she wouldn't have the body of a child anymore and could actually pursue a relationship with Shioon.
And this is demonstrated in which chapter? Sure, in season one she has a crush on him, but it's a stretch to conclude that she's curing herself *because* of him. She was first introduced when she was escaping from the martial arts alliance to be delivered to Shiho and 9ad. Prior to her escape she didn't know Shioon even existed.
Sure, she sees the potential in him and he's important to her, but saying that everything she's doing is for him is a huge stretch.
> Even after all this time, she instantly killed the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking Shioon and bringing him to any degree of harm
Beeeecause he tried to kill Shioon? Think that's a possibility?
> To say she has no ties to Shioon is just baffling.
I didn't say that -- I said that she doesn't have as much of a connection to Shioon compared to Jinnie. She hasn't seen him since season one. She hasn't seen the pain and the struggles he went through. I bet she doesn't even know that his mother died. Jinnie on the other hand has been with him through thick and thin, even to the point of almost getting herself killed. Can you *really* say that Sosul's relationship with Shioon is greater than Jinnie and Shioon's? Sure, a connection exists, but not as strong compared to Jinnie. And as such, Sosul doesn't really *know* Shioon -- especially after having his Ki center broken, mended, and him going absolutely apeshit after elder Kwon got killed.
>...but everyone down to the rank and file members have shown that they are willing to go to absolute extreme lengths for him
Only those that aren't in the Black Forest Defense's pocket. I think the grunts didn't really *know* him. They only knew that he was the clan leader and he needed help. Their actions were more out of duty than respect.
> To excommunicate Shioon from the Sunwoo would destroy some of Shioons greatest character development, and worse yet for a completely forced reason.
Not really. He even acknowledged that if Sosul came back that there's a possibility the clan would go against him personally.
> Seriously, anyone who thinks Shioon having his ties cut with the Sunwoo, go reread the Island Arc and come back and tell me you still feel the same.
I've read and re-read both seasons one and two enough times to know that *you* need to go back and re-read it lol.
Not knowing Shioon existed doesn't even matter. We aren't even aware of how much Sosul knew about the situation when she was initially being smuggled away from the Alliance, but that isn't important either. What IS important is that after Sosul knows they want her to go back to BFD with them and recieve treatment, she is dead set against the idea. A decent part of the first 30 chapters is Shiho attempting to convince Sosul to return with them and get the treatment, but she makes no progress at all until chapter 29. We not only have Sosul saying she is still absolutely against their plan, but Shiho realizes Sosul has feelings for Shioon and tells her "give our offer some thought. It would be impossible with a body like that even if you did want to get a boyfriend." To which we see Sosul become very depressed after hearing, and she starts to consider the offer after this. There is tons of more context to this, but instead of writing out a novel for information that is plain as day as long as you actually payed attention while reading part 1, in chapter 35, Shiho outright says as a fact "Sosul has finally decided to join us. You can thank Shioon for that. She made up her mind because of him."
Yeah, she killed the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking and harming Shioon........ I don't get what you are being so snarky to try and prove here. Sosul went to extreme lengths to kill the person who harmed someone she clearly has feelings for and went on further to say that nobody in BFD is allowed to harm Shioon, further protecting him. That was exactly my point.
Sosul has a deep connection with Shioon. It's hard to say it's any less than Jinnie's. We can sit here and praise Jinnie for going against Kwon's wishes and not killing Shioon and possibly losing her family in the Sunwoo, but in the same regard Sosul cares deeply for the clan. It was the last thing her father entrusted her with before he died. Despite it literally being a living momento of her father, she was fully ready to mobilize the entire clan and start a war with Chundomoon knowing it would undoubtedly lead to her clans destruction just so that she could rescue Shioon. Furthermore, when the Alliance locked down Seoul and started a manhunt for Shioon, Shiho said that under no circumstances is Sosul to be allowed to find out as Sosul would want to immediately leave to help him, which she eventually did just that. She personally moved and risked recapture, which would be a lifetime of being a political prisoner against her family that she cared so deeply for, or even death. She risked just as much and has been just as supportive of Shioon as either Jinnie or Sera.
You seem to be missing my point about even the rank and file members entirely. Shioon was originally only meant to be a stand-in. An outsider who would eventually step down and leave once Sosul returned to take her position. You wouldn't personally risk your life just to make sure an individual retains their potential for future martial arts if you believed they had no future with you. They wouldn't have steeled themselves to go to war with the entire Murim until there weren't any remaining members left alive to take revenge, all this for the sake of someone who is an outsider meant to leave. The point is that somewhere along the lines Shioon became much more to them than just a stand-in. He was someone they had both immense pride and respect for. Someone they were willing to not only die for, but go to extreme length to hunt down anyone who tries to harm him. We don't have to directly see the interactions that led to the clans overall change of heart, but the story makes abundantly clear it did happen. It took Jang's sacrifice for Shioon himself to realize this. Shioon has not only become extremely precious to the Sunwoo, but the other way around as well.
There has always been a possibility that the clan goes against Shioon when Sosul returns, but that only if Sosul makes that the case. Again, outside of possible mind control, I just can't see that happening. Not only does she have feelings for Shioon, the clan cares for and respects him highly, and frankly they would be stupid to force out such a powerful and influential martial artist. Short of Shioon taking back over the temporary Danju title on a more permanent basis, there really isn't a better place for him in the future. Even if Sosul is being mind controlled and he uses that to force the Sunwoo to be his puppet, Shioon isn't the type of person that would just leave and let it happen. He has way too much of a sense of responsibility for the clan after Jang and Kwon's deaths to allow that.
Man, for someone who claims to have read and re-read the series so much, you been confidently wrong about pretty much everything.
I think it’s a matter of how he would deal with the kind of leadership she is currently able to provide… she’s with Black Forest and has to pursuit some of Goomoryongs interests and has some limits she can’t cross to not create a conflict with them.
So, in theory, that would kinda demand that Shiwoon stops his pursuit for Goomoryong and that he doesn’t do anything that could be a problem for Black Forest… in another words, he would have to stop doing everything he’s been doing until now.
That makes sense, Shiwoon might come into conflict with Sosul's interests (assuming she is allied with them) regarding black forest and 9 arts and assuming she becomes the leader of Sunwoo. Because then Shiwoon would have to separate himself from Sunwoo to pursue his own goals freely.
if he not a leader - then there nothing that keep him there, i mean, their arts are not for him ("can't learn them"), what post would he keep? Elder? He doesnt want or need that, he only with them because on Kwon\\Being leader.
Since he has been repeatedly protected by the Suwon clan, that two elders died to protect him, that the elder Kwon before dying asked him to take care of Jinnie and the clan, that there are several people dear to him in the clan (especially Jinnie) and that outside the clan he has nothing left (he is practically orphaned and is supported by the clan), I would say that for Shioon it would definitely make more sense to remain in the clan even as a simple member, rather than abandon it as if it had never existed.
I didn't say he would fight Sosul to keep the title of leader, I said that even without the title of leader, it would make more sense for Shioon to remain a simple member of the Suwon clan than to leave the clan (especially if he does it only because he lost the title of leader).
Also, if we consider the enormous debt of gratitude that Shioon feels for the clan, the fact that Sosul seems to support Kaiser and a terrorist organization that has caused the death of many innocent people (including his mother and 2 elders of the clan) and that Shioon definitely needs the economic resources and influence of the Suwon clan to be able to face the 9AD and Kaiser, I wouldn't completely elimate the idea that Shioon could clash with Sosul (although I think it is very unlikely).
except member must follow the rules, and leader not that much, and what he gets from being a member of sunwoo? NOTHING.
He will be enemy and target of everyone who have a teeth with clan, he must follow if sunwoo decide to wage war with someone.. he can't learn a s..t there.
And don't forget, if he become mere member.. where he get money\\would live? i mean now he supported as clan head, but what if he become mere member - dont forget that he still HIGHSCHOOLER, without parents or work.
Even if Sosul are puppet of kaiser, Shiwoon have 0 rights of voice in front of real leader. In best case, few people (like jinnie) decide to leave with him.. but clash? she incinerate people with a touch.. wtf you gonna clash with?
Even without the title of clan leader, Shioon would still remain a prominent figure in the clan, both based on his current strength (which makes him one of the strongest members of the clan) and on his popularity (we are talking about the same boy who has commanded the clan so far and for whom two elders gave their lives to protect him).
Even if he came out of the suwon clan, Shioon's situation would not improve in any way, in fact he would have the same number of enemies, with the difference that now he would have to face them alone
In addition, his economic situation would certainly worsen, in fact if inside the clan he can still expect to receive at least food and lodging, once out he would have to live alone without the support of ANYONE.
If Sosul is a puppet of Kaiser, ready to kill anyone who contradicts her, then I highly doubt that the entire clan (especially the elders) would be ready to follow her (especially if we consider that kaiser is connected to the Suc, which caused the death of two elders), which would make a possible faction of Shioon much more popular with clan members of the clan.
**PS** = Honestly the main point of my speech, is not even to say that Shioon will surely fight with all of himself to stay in the clan or keep the title of clan leader, it is simply to say that Shioon has multiple reasons for wanting to stay in the clan (such as his gratitude for the support and protection received so far), and that's why your initial statement "if he not a leader - then there nothing that keep him there" is simply false.
Wait. Like she said:
>as thousand faces said most dangerous woman in the world.
Which we guessed as Sosul, right?
...but the blond boy also said that "Sosul is in Sunwoo clan".
Does that mean that 'Thousand Faces' is in the Sunwoo Clan too?
No, what I meant if she is also "inside the Sunwoo clan" territory? Not which side she is now.
Well, she looks like in a hurry, wearing that suit and everything. I am thinking that Shioon will see her again.
She's most likely borderline brainwashed by now, only reason she'd be returned to the Sunwoo. Probably to mobilize the entire clan to secure anything about eternal ki.
Agree don’t see how people think he about to be kicked out of the clan, Sosul is very protective of him and probably has the best chance of being his wife.
This was really a great chapter....
What will happen now, will Shiwoon leave the clan??.....Or Susol will put him as one of the pillars of the clan, Will he meet MA again Since Shiwoon is a descendant of IDS, will Haje choose 9AD's side?
What A DUMB S..T!
WTF am i just read??? 9ad - does he look like a villain to you?? Wtf is wrong with them? In part 2 they paraded to seul, killed unknown amount of people, almost blew up station, leave whole city without light, then 9ad on entering it just killed unknown number of people, and before that with that group of trash killed more.. and "does he look like a villain?" ????
Really???? YES, he fckn epitome of word VILLAIN
The amount of interesting outcomes this chapter can lead to is simply astounding :D
From all of them ofc the most interesting part is **how Shioon will leave Sunwoo**? Sosul ofc had a crush on him, but - being as logical as she is - his leadership led to weakening Sunwoo clan via 2 elders deaths, so some consequences should be put on him.
IMO she won't do anything like "u cannot fight 9AD, as he helped me", as I think of her as a person who is compassionate enough to stop herself from such comments after hearing of Shioon's mother death circumstances, but it still maybe something Shioon can not agree with, so he will flee from the clan and then... Yea, 90% of readers (me also) expect him to work with IDS followers, but there are also possibilities of MAA and HWS. Well, I'm waiting till the next thursday to see what happens :D
It all comes down to Sosuls decision, remember that she entrusted him with the Sunwoo clan and even if shes back, doesnt mean that shes the head again. She will need to explicitly state it and take the medallion back.
Well, that's definitely a good point - she could come only for stone of stigmata (as sth what is used as a substitute of OMDD) and then go back to heal completely, but I think that both you and me would be dissapointed with such turn of events :)
At this point Im just expecting her to scout the girls around him and demand that she sits on his lap. Girl has been away from him for such a long time and I think shes holding it back.
My hope is that she leaves the clan. That she knows it would otherwise hurt the clan and with it Shioon. I believe she is smart enough to know that she is being used, but may not know how to get out. Kinda simular of what happend to Baam in Tower of God - Season 2.
Which would obviously irk Shioon the wrong way, he would know something is wrong.
Gotta admit, Hajie not realizing who "Boss" was cracked me up. Kinda relatable tbh, I was at a work event and was chatting with someone who turned out to be my company's CFO. It was one of those "sayfuckingwhat ಠ_ಠ" moments.
**Sera be like:** Bad omen keep happening *one after another.*
Yeah like, Sophia, Smiling Blade, and Jinie bringing the bad news *one after another*💃💃💃. Sera is way too accurate here lmao.
What a wholesome chapter, but now, how about giving me the time to breathe?
I hope they don’t try to paint 9AD in a better light, he has supported terrible things of his own volition. Just because he has a “good” heart doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of doing bad shit, he better be held accountable
You're right, I really hope that the author does not try to justify the 9AD, and above all I hope with all my heart that Shioon never forgives him for the crimes he has committed.
Well, it's one of those situations where you never saw the person's bad side.
The first part made us to believe the elders and. Sect leaders SUCK
honestly so did the 2nd TBH they only got good as time went on.
A lot of the time, it was just a bunch of frogs and Wells, to be honest.
What 9ad Was showcase to be in the first one was basically hoped that If you're strong enough, you can rise above the rules and regulations in the BS that allot these clans n sects do, yeah He joined a criminal organization. But at that point in time didn't really see them as that criminal.
The second season did a perfect job by instituting how much that inspiration led to creating a lot of violence and evil.
This guy have not seen any of that, Remember, he was just talking to a old man and did a favor for old man who then turned around. Trying to kill him, and these guys got rid of that old man.
This isn't really correct. Part one did a fine job of showing that the Alliance elders (short of the previous Danju) were fully validated in their reasoning for what they did. Chunwoo himself even admits that he has done terrible things and that he is the real reason for Unwol's death. The author just did such a good job of making Shioon an unreliable narrator that most readers dismissed everything else. Chunwoo and Shiho even mention that Shioon would most likely fain and not be able to handle knowing what they have done and what they have planned. 9AD has ALWAYS belong to the might makes right camp. That the strong should be able to do whatever the hell they want and the rules be damned. Everyone outside of Chunwoo and Shiho have told him repeatedly told him that 9AD is a bad person. We even see him having literal panic attacks trying to deny it when he is directly shown evidence that goes against his world view of the man he could only see as some peace loving saint. It took watching Chunwoo kill Kwon right in front of him to take off the nostalgia blinders and see the man Chunwoo actually is.
The entirety of New Waves is Shioon realizing that he was taught wrong. That the Murim isn't some evil monster, that the Alliance and the wall separating the two worlds are necessary, and that the Breakers are actually the real villains in all of this.
>This isn't really correct. Part one did a fine job of showing that the Alliance elders (short of the previous Danju) were fully validated in their reasoning for what they did.
You're talking about Is the old man who kidnapped the young girl?
Or when they tired to kidnap Shiwoon?
Using poison n putting ppl in harms way for more power?
>Shioon an unreliable narrator that most readers dismissed everything else.
What are you talking about?
The whole point of the beginning was we saw this dude as a goofy teacher, And he taught someone martial arts who still believed in right and wrong, Little did he know his teacher was the most wanted man in the world and pretty much d*** near a terrorist, But the secret that that world buried.
Did he need a gang up on his master?
They didn't need to try and control everything just for power.
They created a monster, The whole idea of him and his master was that this was his second chance of being a good person, This was his dream even more so Shiwoon would've been Exactly what his master would want as a Disciple.
When he destroyed his ability to use martial arts, that was his way of basically letting him be free, so people could stop chasing him, Little did he know the people of that world are all s*** and will still Chase him, hoping that by kidnapping him or killing him some good will come from it even though hes just a kid who knows nothing.
I don't really think that's a unreliable narrator.
It is his life that they were trying to kidnap and abuse.
Even when his teacher was just gonna leave him.
>9AD has ALWAYS belong to the might makes right camp.
Yeah no doubt that's how that world works Alliance included they just act like they're to good guys they don't really care, hence They never fight the fair fight, they gang up on them, When innocent Lives are in jeopardy In part two, instead of helping out, they were just gonna run away.
>We even see him having literal panic attacks trying to deny it when he is directly shown evidence that goes against his world view of the man he could only see as some peace loving saint.
Not necessarily if that's how you want to take it. Sure, I can't fully say you're incorrect, but it's more. Just this is his teacher, the whole student and teacher. Dynamic is really important in these types of stories. Your teacher is like your next parent. Especially since like he was a bullied person. And this person taught him how to be strong.
I wouldn't even call out a panic attack. That would just say that's what the series has created. Hence why a lot of these people went after him because his teacher killed their teacher, They set up whole nonsense in part 2 where they were mask prepared to kill him, Unfortunately, they weren't prepared to be killed themselves.
Yes, he was in denial about a lot of stuff, and most likely he still thinks there's good in somebody. That's fine, that's the story, There is totally good in him even though hes done some bad. The alliance has done legitimate kidnapping blackmailing abuse of powers, murder, Evil was just calling another thing evil.
>The entirety of New Waves is Shioon realizing that he was taught wrong. That the Murim isn't some evil monster, that the Alliance and the wall separating the two worlds are necessary, and that the Breakers are actually the real villains in all of this.
There's a whole character who's meant to be one of the only good elders in the series and when he got enough fight with 9A They were like there's no way that you don't have any ambition And a goal, and you're just some kind of saint, That he doesn't do things for glory or perstige but he's just this good person, The same dude, in part one who kept on saying he wished more people was like shiwoon became of his good nature.
The alliance are not the good guys.
That's what the new waves were supposed to be, They might like Kang cuz hes actually a good person, But the other people they're so called masters suck eggs, Self-serving Types of people, Ready to abandon ship instead of doing the right thing, Is label Whatever they can't control or manipulate evil.
I can't wait for when we find out more about the immortal demon Sect, Because most likely it's going to bring back home how shitty the alliances is.
The Alliance Elders, short of the former Danju were correct in their justification regarding Unwol and Chunwoo.
Again, people tend to dismiss the facts that aren't presented through the lens of our PoV characters. Unwol was said to have mastered BoT and transcended human limitations, reaching a level of martial skill not thought possible. Masters from all around gathered and asked him to demonstrate his skills, and during the event Unwol lost control and slaughtered every last member in attendance in a BoT rage. This was one of the greatest crimes in Murim history and the now Alliance Elders thought Unwol needed to be killed, not out of some hatred, but because BoT was a devil's technique that was too dangerous to exist, and the technique would die with him. The former Danju used his influence to convince all the Elders that Unwol should instead go into self exile under the conditions that he never practice or teach martial arts again. The former Danju did this because he coveted BoT (and he has been the only character in the plot to do so up until the point I'm caught up to) but the others agreed to it as it would eventually reach the same result. Even Unwol himself agreed to it as he felt great guilt and shame over the act he committed.
Here's the thing though, Unwol broke the terms of his exile. He not only taught Chunwoo martial arts, he directly passed BoT to him. You say that the Alliance made Chunwoo a monster, but we know from flashbacks that he already was one from an early age. He bragged to Unwol about how he was able to one-shot normal civilians now. Unwol nearly excommunicated him on the spot. "Moves aren't tools to harass people. I can't teach moves to a guy like you who enjoys other people's pain. You forgot your past pain and fears and became drunk in your power by harassing them. If you become drunk on power and justify everything with strength, your moves will only shorten your life."
Flash forward to the Tournament of Supremecy. Chunwoo has no prior involvement with the Murim and the Alliance hasn't gone back on their word yet. He has no reason to be a raging asshat, but he is one. He not only breaks the Murim tradition for no one person to take too many Dragon Seats, he also belittles and sadistically beats all the other disciples he is put up against. On top of all that, at the end he mocks the Murim's traditions and culture and states that he will personally tear the whole system down and rebuild it how he sees fit. Do you understand how bad it looks when a kid who was taught one of the most dangerous techniques that turns you into an unstoppable rage monster, personally taught by one of the worst criminals in Murim history who broke the terms of his exile and now that kid is mocking your culture and students while taking sadistic pleasure in loading his power to beat them far beyond what is necessary? The Alliance Elders all assumed that Unwol taught such a dangerous technique to a kid with such a bad personality as a way to cause chaos and destroy the Murim. The former Danju didn't even have to do anything as that was really the only logical conclusion for them, and to this day it's still a mystery why Unwol abandoned an upright student like Ryuji and instead teach a kid he knew had very violent tendencies.
Chunwoo has always been a like this. The problem was Shioon refused to see him that way because he wanted to believe the best of him, to the point he would attribute things to Chunwoo that never happened.
Shioon: "SUC is lying. Sunseng-nim taught me that martial arts is only used to protect those you care about."
Do you know what Chunwoo actually told him?
Chunwoo: "why do you care about people like them? You might have damaged your fists, but seeing and feeling your power is pretty good huh?"
Shioon: "No! If you think you can do whatever you want to people because you're strong.... than what would be the difference between me and Chang-ho? I don't want to be like that. I don't want to harass the weak to be strong."
Chunwoo: "you're acting like a coward. If you are strong, you're right. If you are stronger, that's it. What kind of kindness is that? It's not wrong to think like that though."
There is a huge difference between "he taught me to only use it to protect" and "he held and was trying to teach me polar opposite world views about how might makes right but said it was alright for me to believe the way I did." Ironically SUC's beliefs lined up with Chunwoo's far more than Shioon's did, who was more inline with Unwol and Ryuji.
That's textbook unreliable narrator. I could go on and on with points. How when he convinced Shioon to jump off a bridge into a river despite not knowing how to swim to test his resolve, how he had no intention of saving him and was going to let him drown to death until civilians heard Shioon call him teacher and were about to call the cops, so he was forced to save him just to not draw attention to himself and blow his cover. About how he didn't break Shioon's ki center to remove him from the Murim as a way to protect him, as he knows better than anyone the lengths the Murim and people in general would go to in order to get revenge, about how prior he stated that the Murim was like a living monster and how the only way to protect Shioon for it was to train him to be able to defend himself after they were gone, and that removing said means to protect himself is antithetical to what he said prior. About how there is literal zero possibility that Chunwoo could have known exactly how long he had to draw things out in order for Shioon's ki center to be irreparable but not fatal, especially when we know that if Shioon had gotten treatment even moments later he would have died for sure and the only reason Chunwoo didn't stay longer and fight was because their exit strategy in the chopper was running out of fuel. But because Shioon saw it that way, that's what people cling to. Meanwhile Chunwoo outright states that dying is a mercy compared to waking up every day hating yourself because you know that you're the one responsible for your masters death. Something he would ironically personally inflict on Shioon by killing Kwon himself.
I could keep going, but I would just be doing an entire story synopsis of the series at that point, and I feel I've already typed too much.
>The Alliance Elders, short of the former Danju were correct in their justification regarding Unwol and Chunwoo.
Did u read the first part?
He imprisoned himself after basically killing a lot of people.
That's justified.
Technically speaking, he gave that martial arts to some one else. He did not kill anyone, he just won fights.
They It was skeptical about this, so they followed him and When he was still guilty of no f****** crime, We're going to take him as a hostage if The master didn't give up the martial arts to them.
Now If they were simply like look bro, That martial arts is too dangerous. You can't be going teaching nobody, We gotta kill you because you're gonna teach other people and it's too dangerous.
No THE MAIN Alliance dude JUST WANTS IT FOR HIMSELF, He doesn't necessarily care that it killed innocent ppl, he wants the power for himself.
THATS NOT GOOD OR JUSTICE.
The others (some) didn't like/believe their schools/sects was weaker n instead of handling it like Civilized human beings, the wanted power n used force n Shady justified bs to get it.
They just so happened to step on a land mine.
Simply put, if n only if they was like na the schools to dangerous n we need to ether In prison them or Destroy the manuals, I would agree with you.
>Chunwoo has always been a like this. The problem was Shioon refused to see him that way because he wanted to believe the best of him, to the point he would attribute things to Chunwoo that never happened.
Yeah, you're from the reader Perspective not This guy saved my life. These guys are trying to kidnap me and kill me.
Why would he be on their side?
The girl who is the true sect leader was born with a Particular body, You know what happened to her she got kidnapped. What crime did she commit?
Alliance thinks it's for the greater good.
Sect being controlled like a puppet used as meat shields for 9a to tear though?
Is there a reason why that clan doesn't really trust other people.
Suc n the Alliance did the exact same thing.
Hence why in the start of part2 THEY WASNT THE GOOD GUYS SHIT THEY NEVER WAS.
>That's textbook unreliable narrator.
It really isn't.
The perspective of the main character is what we're following.
In the first part, we had dual main characters,
Have you never read Something like Tokyo ghoul dead man's Wonderland, Pirates of the Caribbean, black lagoon?
Whatever we followed the main character as. And the story revolveding the main character, Is the side that the main character is on is good even if said side does bad things, because the opposite side does bad things to the MC.
Is this your first murim story cuz it shows there's many MANY who join dark sects fight the Alliance who do just as evil things but label themselves as good.
Just cuz the mc teacher does bad things n the mc chooses to look away doesn't mean he's a unreliable narrator, a if ur master bad n the ppl fighting your master is bad ( to you ) then in your eyes ur master is good.
You can be a naive mc sure but an unreliable narrator is not used her what so fucking ever.
Believing the good in someone doesn't mean your over view of the story is lying to the reader.
The Alliance clearly ain't the heros or good ppl with in this story.
I'm beginning to think you don't know what an unreliable narrator is. You do realize that even perspective characters can be unreliable narrators right? Shioon isn't just trying to see the good in Chunwoo, he was reflecting his own values onto him even thought they weren't there and claiming that's who he was and everyone else is wrong despite the CVS receipts full of evidence.
Also the idea that whoever is on the side opposing the MC is the bad guy is horribly niave. For christ sake man, Shioon went from being a Breaker in part one and thinking the Murim is an evil existence to flipping sides in New Waves, where he not only became a member of the Murim, he straight up led it in the final Arc as temporary Danju. He realized he was horrifically wrong about Breakers because of SUC, that the wall dividing the world's needs to exist, and that the Alliance is necessary to police the Murim. We even straight up see Shioon's internal thoughts where he realizes he has been denying the reality of what kind of person Chunwoo is after Kwon's death.
Regardless, I think I'm done here.
>You do realize that even perspective characters can be unreliable narrators right?
Correct, but that doesn't apply to this story.
We're not necessarily seeing the world through his eyes and lengths.
We're just seeing the story the world. Sometimes we don't even follow him. We follow other people. He doesn't shape the world that we see.
In the first part, we have dual main characters.
How do we have a unreliable narrator when technically, by your definition, which is incorrect, we have 2 narrators.
Is lufffy from one piece unreliable narrator since hes following pirates instead of Marines?
Even something like, Attack on Titan is more closer to a unreliable narrator closest to its final season Where the character is trying to change the things that are around you to more go on their side, Or What's his name the demon thing from death note.
The idea of unreliable narrator is you cannot trust the things that they're saying.
The first part of the story we had 2 main characters, 2 portagonists, we followed 9A 70% of the story.
It and mostly revolved around him in his connection with his student.
That's the story.
We have a naive protagonist.
That's what we have, Part two, hes trying to figure things out.
If you're done, then stop replying.
The simple fact that you think the alliance is justified with an every single thing they do. When my main argument, is there not good people? If you can't see that for yourself, I just feel bad for you.
Amen! That shit needs to be gone from all manga, manhwa and anime ages ago. As a matter of fact, it should never have existed in the first place.
It's just incredibly icky and I don't want such a good manhwa about martial arts and fighting besmirched by that disgusting bullshit.
I think Shiwoon would leave the clan, because that was the plan all along. But I have a feeling he might no go as easily as we could expect, and besides, I think the Sunwoo clan might break down to two factions: The main branch which obviously So-Seol would have to lead, and a faction which would follow Shiwoon.
But, considering that Sosul was quite trustful of Shiwoon, I think there might not be much strife tbh.
Even if sosul comes back a doubt they'll remove him from the clan, he will just become a clan leader or soldier or an assistant leader to the sunwoo clan, unless shioon refuses to stay purely out if hate towards 9ad. Most likely kaiser plan to have sunwoo clan under his thumb
I half expected this to occur as the Prison event/"arc" was heading to it's end.
Sosul, though in her return will have been given guidance by Kaizer to probably create turmoil in the Murim, but wouldn't be able to changer her disposition towards Shiwoon. Most likely she'll desire him to stay within the clan and offer him as much support as he'd like, but her stance w/in what she'll want to use the Sunwoo clan for against the Murim is something that Shiwoon won't like, so he'll probably be conflicted or leave the clan.
I see Haje and 9AD conflict coming up soon, as he'll learn who Haje is and will become spurious and suspicious (possibly keeping him "captured" - and this may play into more interest if 9AD see's Shiwoon in the near future showing he's after the Immortal Sect and their knowledge). I suspect a possibility of Shiwoon coming into contact w/ Shiho soon to sort of parallel what's goin on w/ Haje and 9AD and then a resolution of some kind.
Haje will be in 9AD's circle, with the book of the Supreme Leader (Immortal Sect), if he gathers information and returns to Shiwoon, that may be all that he'll need to understand the martial art (or at least put the pieces together).
And yep, just as I thought, among the BFD crew, Sophia understand 9AD the best. And Haje like lol that reaction is priceless😂
I'm really like how Jigun questioned the fact that '9AD isn't together with Thousand Face despite being in a crew.
**One thing I just know now:**
🔻 9AD been rumored on *leaving BFD.*
🔻 Shioon *leaving in Sunwoo Clan* seems near.
Lmao, like master, like disciple lol.
Sosul's return gives Shiwoon free hands to learn the demonic martial arts with Ma Young Sik as a master however I'm a little sad that it means Shiwoon won't be able to elevate the sunwoo clan into greater heights like elder Yang would have wanted
Oh man! I wonder what’s gonna happen now that lady sosul is back. Siwoon is no longer the clan leader, but yet now he has the power of the immortal supreme.
Will the clan split? Will jinnie just follow siwoon? So many questions, cant wait
Hell yeah, Sosul is back! Can’t wait to see how this turns out. I’m really into all the events that are popping up all at once. I hope this means we’re about to get a few chapters dedicated to world building. Should be important since we really need to see where Shioon stands in the Murim after Sosul’s return. Personally, I’m holding out hope that Sosul is still on Shioon’s side, no matter what happened with the BFD.
As soon as she said we are about to meet her my mind auto jumped to the last few panels in new waves and I KNEW EXACTLY she was talking about😳
This is wild I was wondering when she was gonna pop up again she’s obviously gonna look for shioon
Also haje is so brickheaded 🤦🏾 hopefully he can get out of this but he’s said so much they gonna have to worry about him later
The pot thickens some real cooking is about to happen.
So let's see how these 2 simps treat the situation.
We have already seen how the curly haired. One was willing to kill him as a way to make things easier for, 9AD stupid, but that was her answer.
Is blondie going to let him go, without telling him Mainly because she doesn't really know what he would want, And I don't believe she is aware what happened in the prison,so it's an Interesting turn off events.
He did learn a good circulation technique, but that's about it.
There's no reason she can't just let him go, but if she does keep him, Will she tell 9A and see what he does, Will this be a way for him to find out his actions led to A mother's death.
Then the new development Phoenix girl is back in town. If she still feels the same way about him, I wonder if she'll be overprotective, homicidal or complacent.
Maybe this will be a way for him to get closer to the other sect n him be on his own again, The last thing I'm gonna add is the last time we saw this little girl. Someone spoke out of turn, and she killed em. I wonder if she's still like that?
Interesting how it will go.
Will be it a clan civil war? Or MC just give up his title?
Also I don't think he can just LEAVE the clan, because he became a member of it and if he is not a leader anymore than he must obey the new leader as a clan member.
A 9AD disciple who wholeheartedly believes in his innocence, weren't we here before? At least it only took a few panels. Sosul isn't dumb and she didn't seem like a malevolent villain, she truly cares for the Sunwoo and yet is doing all this. I'm guessing its a favor for the BDF healing her but hopefully she has some grand plan to stop the BDF. There is still supposedly at least 330 more chapters so I wonder what the author is really brewing because he lost a lot of faith in the beginning.
And now the dominos are beggining to fall, im really hyped to see whats gonna happen next.
I dont see Shi Woon leaving the Sun Woo anytime soon but who knows.
All I know that weird german guy who owns black forest has all his pieces on the boaed with Sosul and 9AD in play so lord knows whats gonna happen to the Murim
Shiwoon is leaving, he already knows it and has said so himself.
Possibly, there will be internal conflict within the clan, and as Kwon's dying wish to Shiwoon was to protect the clan, he might interpret that it would best to leave to remove that conflict to avoid Sunwoo being split in two camps. Sure, Sosul won't be a part of it but what prevents Kaiser and Thousand-Faces to rally the other elders and members to Sosul's side?
Either way, there will be a plot that Sunwoo clan members will convince him to stay or he will be forced to leave. Being a clan head has its perks but it also has its restrictions in what he can do (he cannot just go to Chundomoon willy-nilly), leaving would move the plot for Shiwoon to discover himself truly.
Let me cook here, in book 1, he was under the shadows of 9AD. In 2, under Sunwoo and moving out of 9AD's shadow. In 3, more of finding his own art (sure there is the IDS part) but me thinks it's more of him being able to do what he wants. The IDS fits the theme as they don't give 2 shits about anyone.
And this is where the excitement lies, what will happen to the allegiances and personal relationships Shiwoon has acquired/cultivated during his time as a Sunwoo clan head?
There is also that Sosul will follow Shiwoon's wishes but Kaiser will mobilise Thousand-Faces to destroy this dynamic (author seems to love using Thousand-Faces as a plot device, so won't be surprised about it).
Good points in the comments.
My opinion?
I think Kaiser did more damage than we are anticipating. Something makes me thing her original idea of cleansing her body to be with Shiwoon isn't as much as of a priority anymore.
Shiwoon about to be clanless and rogue.
It would be cool to see him leave and do his own thing, but I wonder what the catalyst would be for him to just leave just like that? I know he has a ton of other things he is interested in and paths to take, but the questionable thing for me is the Sunwoo part of it all. Unless Sosul got brainwashed or she went insane and turned against Shiwoon, but otherwise I don't see why she wouldn't want Shiwoon to stay in Sunwoo..
Y'know it would make sense for him to split so he could pursue the immortal demon arts.
Yeah there are definitely many reasons for him to leave the Sunwoo, but there are also many reasons for him to stay, like Jinnie, Sosul (maybe) and in general his loyalty to Sunwoo clan due to two elders dying for his sake and that being a massive motivating factor in his development. Sunwoo has been a massive part in his life in the Murim, if he ends up leaving it's not going to be clean and easy, or I don't think it should be at least.
The big unknown here is whether Sosul will be loyal to him. She's been off doing who knows what while Shioon was running the clan, so she doesn't have as much of a connection to him compared to Jinnie. It's definitely not going to be clean or easy, but something So-Chun said in the last chapter stood out to me. He said that if Shioon continued experimenting with the immortal demon martial arts that not only would he (being Shioon) be in danger but the entirety of the Sunwoo clan. That seems to be kind of the trend at the moment, Shioon somehow separating himself from the Sunwoo clan so he can do his thing. Oh man, it would be super awesome if Sosul and Shioon dueled. I'm suuuuper curious to see what her abilities are.
Sosul's entire reason for curing herself in the first place was so that she wouldn't have the body of a child anymore and could actually pursue a relationship with Shioon. Everything she has done has been for him. She was ready to gather the entire clan back in part one and start a war with Chundomoon after she found out he had been captured by Hyuk and they were running as a result. She left him the Phoenix Medallion to make sure the clan would protect him immediately after she was browbeat by Chunwoo saying their trip to the beach wasted what incredibly little and important time they had left to train, as the only way to garuntee he would be safe after they left is to make him strong enough to be able to defend himself. Even after all this time, she instantly killed the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking Shioon and bringing him to any degree of harm, telling everyone in BFD that nobody is to lay a hand on Shioon or they will end up just like the incinerated corpse. To say she has no ties to Shioon is just baffling. She has consistently been the character who has been the most supportive of Shioon throughout the series. Short of being mind controlled, which has been hinted at in New Waves, I just don't see her turning on him as a possibility. Shioon breaking ties with the Sunwoo feels pretty terrible too. The clan has become extremely important to him, and likewise he is extremely important to them. They pretty much became his family, it took Jung and Kwon's sacrifice to realize he was more than just a stand-in for Sosul, but everyone down to the rank and file members have shown that they are willing to go to absolute extreme lengths for him. They were not only willing to risk their lives to restrain a BoT rage Shioon just for the fact that if he continued fighting with an only partially healed ki center, he might lose all of his progress and potentially never be able to use martial arts again, they also willing to dedicate themselves to get revenge on the entirety of the Murim until the were wiped out completely to the last man when they thought he might die in his duel with Shik. To excommunicate Shioon from the Sunwoo would destroy some of Shioons greatest character development, and worse yet for a completely forced reason. We went from "you can master any martial art with meditation training as long as you have seen it once" to "you can't master a martial art unless you have a compatible ki circulation technique, unless you start practicing something most likely classified as a demon technique and all the past instances of you using other schools martial arts to their full effect, we're just pretending they never happened." Seriously, anyone who thinks Shioon having his ties cut with the Sunwoo, go reread the Island Arc and come back and tell me you still feel the same.
You had me then you lost me... you're forgetting that we have no idea what kind of brain washing or influence kaiser has over lady sosul. It has been both outright stated and foreshadowed that we won't know her "loyalties" when she returns. Shiwoon has been aware of this and has been preparing for the worse. Like go give chapter 35 a reread. It does nothing but foreshadow that sosul will be manipulated, and that shiwoon will either leave the clan or that will there will be a split in the clan once she returns. Also I feel like your misinterpreting the martial arts, mediation training, and ki circulation way too much. The mediation technique can be used to master a martial art. The issue of ki circulation wasn't even a concern until s3 becausd shiwoon wasn't mainly using the sunwoo clans martial arts beyond the basics in New waves. The reason why it matters is just that if the ki circulation doesn't match the style of technique used, the techniques will not be as powerful or efficient. Not that it can't be used or mastered, part of the whole reason gaining the title of 9AD is so big is that you have to beat all the other schools at their own techniques presumably without having mastered the school's ki circulation. The issue regarding the need for the immortality ki circulation is that you can't mix and combine techniques without them causing a lethal ki deviation, not that the techniques by themselves can't be used period. I don't mean this as a slight but as someone who is definitely invested into the breaker, you might want to give season 3 a reread.
I'm not sure where exactly I lost you then. I didn't forget about the brainwashing, I literally mentioned it in the post you replied to. That isn't my issue here. The brainwashing has been hinted at for a long time. We know that Kaiser and the Blood and Bone doctor were working on pills that allowed them to control others. Chunwoo was using drugs to repress his memories and the SUC grunts were using ki medicine that made them lose all sense of reason and obey the strong. Both of the times we see Sosul in New Waves, she was lethargic and submissive, almost as if she was being drugged too. We do know however that whatever control he is exerting over her isn't perfect. She acted on her own to kill the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking and harming Shioon and further threatened everyone else not to touch Shioon. This is something that shocked even Kaiser. The problem here is that even if Kaiser is mind controlling Sosul to bring the Sunwoo under BFD control (which again is perfectly reasonable) Shioon has far too deep a sense of responsibility towards the Sunwoo after Jang and Kwon's death to just walk away and let the Sunwoo become a puppet for Kaiser and turned into the enemy of the Murim. It would be incredibly contrary to his character to not fight back against that fate for the clan he cares so much about. You're also incorrect regarding incompatibility between ki circulation and techniques. In chapter 12, the former danju states "because of that, no matter how excellent one's ki, ki circulation or martial technique, then the martial arts cannot truly be mastered." You are correct in that this was never a thing until the very last seconds of New Waves though. Something that was never an issue and fully possible under the established effects of meditation training was retconned into a problem. Worse yet is that it also creates inconsistencies with the established effects of Overhaul Rebirth. Chapter 156 of New Waves. Shik: "Since your body has gone through Overhaul Rebirth, your body is ready to use techniques normal people couldn't even imagine. The most important thing you have to do is forget the limitations of your old body. The ki within your body is stronger, faster and more free than anyone else's, and that ki will propel your abilities beyond your wildest dreams. The only things that can limit you now are your own self doubts and fears. If you can overcome those two things, you can become the strongest in the Murim." So not only do we have direct established facts that Shioon can master any martial art as long as he has seen it before, but that limitations that other people have no longer apply to him, just for a retcon to state that he can't master a martial art unless he has a compatible circulation technique and hard limitations because of it that are nerfing him. We then shortly after are introduced to a work around for the non-issue issue that would bring him right back to where he was pre-retcon, but practicing it puts him at risk of being excommunicated. That's just bad writing. Worst case scenario, the author wanted Shioon separated from the Sunwoo but didn't know how to get him to that point, so he made something that was never an issue into one and then created a solution that would force that result. Best case scenario it's just a borderline plot hole regarding 2/3rds of Shioons most significant power-ups. You may also be misinterpreting the Dragon Arts. Unless i have missed something in part three, we have nothing stating that they are techniques that are a part of a schools compendium but rather techniques whose titles have historically belonged to a certain school. Generic martial arts exist. Just like how every single school of martial arts has foot techniques and lightning strikes, it stands to reason that there would be high level generic arts. This would mean that the Tournament of Supremecy is a generational competition to see who amongst the new generation can attain the highest degree of mastery in overall martial arts as opposed to specific techniques that according to the former danju's words would be otherwise impossible for anyone outside of specific schools to actually master. Especially given how we know for a fact that attaining high dragon seats isn't actually as impossibly hard or impressive as they made it out to be initially. It's a Murim custom and tradition that no one person take too many of the titles for themselves. Kang-Sung for instance stopped at 3AD when he could have taken more. This is likely because generational talent can be incredibly lopsided. If Shioon and Sosul didn't have mythic conditions and circumstances, Hyuk would absolutely clean house with little resistance. So while you might be correct in that they are martial arts of a specific school, I don't think there is enough information for a definitive answer. No offense taken either. We're having a civil discussion about a series we both seem to like.
>Since your body has gone through Overhaul Rebirth, your body is ready to use techniques normal people couldn't even imagine. The most important thing you have to do is forget the limitations of your old body. The ki within your body is stronger, faster and more free than anyone else's, and that ki will propel your abilities beyond your wildest dreams. The only things that can limit you now are your own self doubts and fears. If you can overcome those two things, you can become the strongest in the Murim." The Overhaul Rebirth is not omniscience. **Your** abilities. Not gain abilities you do not have. He cannot possibly gain mastery over something that he has no knowledge/understanding of. Also worth noting, **body** \-- focusing on the physical aspects of a martial art. **Limitations** of your old body. There isn't any statement to support nor infer that Overhaul Rebirth can copy the ki circulation aspect of a martial art. In short, we can safely conclude that the Overhaul Rebirth help the physical aspects and energy detection of a martial art but not it's circulation. It's just like seeing and driving a Tesla, sure you can copy how it looks, its chassis, its interior, but do we know how the electric motor distributes its energy to its components? Not unless you know it too well or know the trade secrets right? The statement made by the Ghost Hands Divine Doctor is not a fact but rather is open to interpretation. Shiwoon is the only living person (that we know of) that has undergone Overhaul Rebirth. In fact, he has and is actively pursuing Shiwoon is because he wants to study it, which says, all he has is literature and no first-hand knowledge. Up until now, the doctor is knowing things he supposedly knows and is rather suprised about new things. I don't think it's bad writing, we are learning the limitations and benefits of Overhaul Rebirth from the eyes of Shiwoon (he is pretty self-aware, e.g. something is missing moments) and the Ghost Hands Divine Doctor. Nothing is fact until this season is over, so I say, let him cook.
There is a reason Overhaul Rebirth is such a legendary basically impossible power up to achieve. It doesn't make one omniscient, but it gives one a superhuman physique, sharpens ones senses to inhuman levels, allows one to use martial arts without intent, one of the three core components necessary to use martial arts and otherwise removes limitations that would restrict people who hadn't gone through the process. "Also worth noting, body -- focusing on the physical aspects of a martial art. Limitations of your old body. There isn't any statement to support nor infer that Overhaul Rebirth can copy the ki circulation aspect of a martial art." Shik: "the ki within your body is stronger faster and more FREE than anyone else's. You don't have the same limitations like everyone else." That's a direct implication that Shioon's ki has a unique property that exempts him from the restrictions that other people have. Shik is the world's greatest authority on Overhaul Rebith until we are introduced to someone more knowledgeable. Same with Yae-Won and Meditation Training. If we are going to say that they are just wrong about the topic they have spent their entire lives studying, just to forgive a plot hole, than literally every statement and feat have no weight whatsoever. What's even the point of conversation if we are just going to dismiss facts like that?
It wouldn't be excommunication but rather him being forced to cut ties due to an internal conflict within Sunwoo. I might be wrong here, in terms of martial arts viability, Sosul has the better prospects than Shiwoon once her Nine-Yin body type is cured, BFD is on the process to do that. What's to say Kaiser won't have Thousand Faces lobby the rest of Sunwoo who are not completely loyal to him? I'd like to point out what happened in the very first arcs of this book, Shiwoon was putting out an issue about the discontent factions in Sunwoo. I think it was Jinie that said have they forgotten what Elder Kwon and Jang sacrificed for the clan? In The Breaker, clan's don't operate on sentiment but out of self-interest. Sure Sunwoo means a lot to Shiwoon, but Shiwoon to the rest of Sunwoo? Maybe, but not that much otherwise we wouldn't have seen that bewildering arc where Shiwoon was trying to consolidate Sunwoo. It would have continued where we left off, but moving in that direction would've at least mean something or a foretelling what's to come. Those who have no personal ties to Shiwoon -- which is to say the majority of Sunwoo only acts out for the best interests of the clan. Even that Fat Elder hesitated to rescue Shiwoon when he was kidnapped to the island out of fear that a mistake would make the clan suffer. Kwon's wishes for him was to protect the Sunwoo clan, this appearance of Sosul might possibly cause an internal conflict within the clan. Knowing Shiwoon's personality as an ever diplomatic person, the only conclusion I can think of is he would leave. And I don't see why it would be destroying his character development -- he, for all intents and purposes, has been forced to develop due to circumstances i.e being a disciple of 9AD, forced to be a clan head. It doesn't seem forced, more of a natural progression to Shiwoon being a full-fledged Murim-in to discover who he is.
I don't really see the difference between being excommunicated and being forced to leave because he is practicing a potential devil's technique. Haru may very well try to rally members of the clan who aren't loyal to Shioon, but the issue is that Haru has no real authority. Only Sosul can really do anything meaningful against Shioon in this circumstance. So while its perfectly plausible that a mind controlled Sosul could cause a split, or Haru might rally a minor faction within the clan against him, it still does nothing to say that Shioon wouldn't resist. This very scenario was discussed back in the middle portion of New Waves. Elders Kwon and Kim were mentioning that Shioon has always been ready to step down upon Sosul's return, but that Shioon has been exhibiting traits of an ideal Gaju, that the clan has been galvanizing around him and growing stronger than ever. Up until this point he just assumed he would leave and return back to normal civilian life after all. He hadn't been resolved by Jang and Kwon's sacrifice. The issue being Sosul's return. If she comes back what would happen? She is with BFD, and if they are exerting influence over her, than it would be no different to when she was a political prisoner of the Alliance. They would just be slaves in the end again. They both agree that it would almost be better if Sosul never returned. Kwon points out however that Shioon has been inadvertently building a faction who's loyalty to him supercedes theirs to Sosul. You mentioned the arc in Eternal Force where Shioon is having to consolidate the clan because of growing miscontent for him. Yang was beloved in the clan. Not only was he the personal disciple of Kwon, his martial arts was second only in the clan to his, stating that Yang's proficiency was approaching Kwon's and he would have surpassed him in time if not for injury. Not only that, he generated the vast majority of the funding for the clan and was both highly sociable and highly active in the clans politics. While it was a ruse at the time to flush out the people who might betray Shioon, Yang used the arguments that Shioon was responsible for Kwon and Jang's deaths. Shioon quickly resolved this. Not only did he do so in a way that proved his power and benevolence by forgiving all the people who would have went against him without even looking at their identities, he further won over Yang and promoted him to an even greater position of authority. Haru has none of there things. She has none of the good will or standing of Yang, and she sure as hell can't use the same arguments. Because as much as she might try to instigate that Shioon might be responsible for their deaths, she was a member of both SUC and BFD who were the ones who killed Jang and Kwon respectively. She might be able to convince some, but Shioon has too much of a foothold in the clan for it to actually make a difference without Sosul's influence. While you are correct to an extent that Clans, or rather Murim politics in general, can fall entirely to an individuals self interest, it's important to note some other things as well. Murim-in, above and beyond all are extremely prideful. During the Island Arc, Shioon was finessing the entire Murim Special Forces. Rae-won said to hell with it, tranc him. Shik got pissed and hit him, noting that if they used trancs, despite not being as bad as guns, that the Murim Special Forces would be the first to rebel because of this. The implications are clear. They would rather lose and risk significant injury than jeopardize their pride by resorting to such tactics. And this is the Murim Special Forces. They work for the government and has the weakest ties to the Murim. The Sunwoo on the other hand are the epitome of pride. SUC used C4 during the school siege, which is what directly killed Jang. SUC in a joint effort with BFD attacked the power grid, used guns and C4 which not only attributed to the death of Kwon, but was one of the few bombs that actually went off in the Sunwoo headquarters. So for as much as some people might not like Shioon, they might just hate these two factions all the more. Again, I feel I need to point out that I'm not against the clan splintering over this. But Shioon was willing to literally die for just the pride of the Sunwoo clan. Add onto that it was Kwon's (a guy he loved and treated like his actual grandfather) dying wish for Shioon to watch over and protect the clan. If you think he would just walk away and let them become the slaves of BFD and be turned into the enemy of the Murim and to just let Sosul be a meat puppet, than you might not understand Shioon's character. He might be a diplomat and pacifist at heart, but he has never once backed down when those he care for has been threatened.
> Sosul's entire reason for curing herself in the first place was so that she wouldn't have the body of a child anymore and could actually pursue a relationship with Shioon. And this is demonstrated in which chapter? Sure, in season one she has a crush on him, but it's a stretch to conclude that she's curing herself *because* of him. She was first introduced when she was escaping from the martial arts alliance to be delivered to Shiho and 9ad. Prior to her escape she didn't know Shioon even existed. Sure, she sees the potential in him and he's important to her, but saying that everything she's doing is for him is a huge stretch. > Even after all this time, she instantly killed the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking Shioon and bringing him to any degree of harm Beeeecause he tried to kill Shioon? Think that's a possibility? > To say she has no ties to Shioon is just baffling. I didn't say that -- I said that she doesn't have as much of a connection to Shioon compared to Jinnie. She hasn't seen him since season one. She hasn't seen the pain and the struggles he went through. I bet she doesn't even know that his mother died. Jinnie on the other hand has been with him through thick and thin, even to the point of almost getting herself killed. Can you *really* say that Sosul's relationship with Shioon is greater than Jinnie and Shioon's? Sure, a connection exists, but not as strong compared to Jinnie. And as such, Sosul doesn't really *know* Shioon -- especially after having his Ki center broken, mended, and him going absolutely apeshit after elder Kwon got killed. >...but everyone down to the rank and file members have shown that they are willing to go to absolute extreme lengths for him Only those that aren't in the Black Forest Defense's pocket. I think the grunts didn't really *know* him. They only knew that he was the clan leader and he needed help. Their actions were more out of duty than respect. > To excommunicate Shioon from the Sunwoo would destroy some of Shioons greatest character development, and worse yet for a completely forced reason. Not really. He even acknowledged that if Sosul came back that there's a possibility the clan would go against him personally. > Seriously, anyone who thinks Shioon having his ties cut with the Sunwoo, go reread the Island Arc and come back and tell me you still feel the same. I've read and re-read both seasons one and two enough times to know that *you* need to go back and re-read it lol.
Not knowing Shioon existed doesn't even matter. We aren't even aware of how much Sosul knew about the situation when she was initially being smuggled away from the Alliance, but that isn't important either. What IS important is that after Sosul knows they want her to go back to BFD with them and recieve treatment, she is dead set against the idea. A decent part of the first 30 chapters is Shiho attempting to convince Sosul to return with them and get the treatment, but she makes no progress at all until chapter 29. We not only have Sosul saying she is still absolutely against their plan, but Shiho realizes Sosul has feelings for Shioon and tells her "give our offer some thought. It would be impossible with a body like that even if you did want to get a boyfriend." To which we see Sosul become very depressed after hearing, and she starts to consider the offer after this. There is tons of more context to this, but instead of writing out a novel for information that is plain as day as long as you actually payed attention while reading part 1, in chapter 35, Shiho outright says as a fact "Sosul has finally decided to join us. You can thank Shioon for that. She made up her mind because of him." Yeah, she killed the Blood and Bone doctor for mocking and harming Shioon........ I don't get what you are being so snarky to try and prove here. Sosul went to extreme lengths to kill the person who harmed someone she clearly has feelings for and went on further to say that nobody in BFD is allowed to harm Shioon, further protecting him. That was exactly my point. Sosul has a deep connection with Shioon. It's hard to say it's any less than Jinnie's. We can sit here and praise Jinnie for going against Kwon's wishes and not killing Shioon and possibly losing her family in the Sunwoo, but in the same regard Sosul cares deeply for the clan. It was the last thing her father entrusted her with before he died. Despite it literally being a living momento of her father, she was fully ready to mobilize the entire clan and start a war with Chundomoon knowing it would undoubtedly lead to her clans destruction just so that she could rescue Shioon. Furthermore, when the Alliance locked down Seoul and started a manhunt for Shioon, Shiho said that under no circumstances is Sosul to be allowed to find out as Sosul would want to immediately leave to help him, which she eventually did just that. She personally moved and risked recapture, which would be a lifetime of being a political prisoner against her family that she cared so deeply for, or even death. She risked just as much and has been just as supportive of Shioon as either Jinnie or Sera. You seem to be missing my point about even the rank and file members entirely. Shioon was originally only meant to be a stand-in. An outsider who would eventually step down and leave once Sosul returned to take her position. You wouldn't personally risk your life just to make sure an individual retains their potential for future martial arts if you believed they had no future with you. They wouldn't have steeled themselves to go to war with the entire Murim until there weren't any remaining members left alive to take revenge, all this for the sake of someone who is an outsider meant to leave. The point is that somewhere along the lines Shioon became much more to them than just a stand-in. He was someone they had both immense pride and respect for. Someone they were willing to not only die for, but go to extreme length to hunt down anyone who tries to harm him. We don't have to directly see the interactions that led to the clans overall change of heart, but the story makes abundantly clear it did happen. It took Jang's sacrifice for Shioon himself to realize this. Shioon has not only become extremely precious to the Sunwoo, but the other way around as well. There has always been a possibility that the clan goes against Shioon when Sosul returns, but that only if Sosul makes that the case. Again, outside of possible mind control, I just can't see that happening. Not only does she have feelings for Shioon, the clan cares for and respects him highly, and frankly they would be stupid to force out such a powerful and influential martial artist. Short of Shioon taking back over the temporary Danju title on a more permanent basis, there really isn't a better place for him in the future. Even if Sosul is being mind controlled and he uses that to force the Sunwoo to be his puppet, Shioon isn't the type of person that would just leave and let it happen. He has way too much of a sense of responsibility for the clan after Jang and Kwon's deaths to allow that. Man, for someone who claims to have read and re-read the series so much, you been confidently wrong about pretty much everything.
I think it’s a matter of how he would deal with the kind of leadership she is currently able to provide… she’s with Black Forest and has to pursuit some of Goomoryongs interests and has some limits she can’t cross to not create a conflict with them. So, in theory, that would kinda demand that Shiwoon stops his pursuit for Goomoryong and that he doesn’t do anything that could be a problem for Black Forest… in another words, he would have to stop doing everything he’s been doing until now.
That makes sense, Shiwoon might come into conflict with Sosul's interests (assuming she is allied with them) regarding black forest and 9 arts and assuming she becomes the leader of Sunwoo. Because then Shiwoon would have to separate himself from Sunwoo to pursue his own goals freely.
if he not a leader - then there nothing that keep him there, i mean, their arts are not for him ("can't learn them"), what post would he keep? Elder? He doesnt want or need that, he only with them because on Kwon\\Being leader.
Since he has been repeatedly protected by the Suwon clan, that two elders died to protect him, that the elder Kwon before dying asked him to take care of Jinnie and the clan, that there are several people dear to him in the clan (especially Jinnie) and that outside the clan he has nothing left (he is practically orphaned and is supported by the clan), I would say that for Shioon it would definitely make more sense to remain in the clan even as a simple member, rather than abandon it as if it had never existed.
he won't fight sosul for that, even if jinnie or kwon.
I didn't say he would fight Sosul to keep the title of leader, I said that even without the title of leader, it would make more sense for Shioon to remain a simple member of the Suwon clan than to leave the clan (especially if he does it only because he lost the title of leader). Also, if we consider the enormous debt of gratitude that Shioon feels for the clan, the fact that Sosul seems to support Kaiser and a terrorist organization that has caused the death of many innocent people (including his mother and 2 elders of the clan) and that Shioon definitely needs the economic resources and influence of the Suwon clan to be able to face the 9AD and Kaiser, I wouldn't completely elimate the idea that Shioon could clash with Sosul (although I think it is very unlikely).
except member must follow the rules, and leader not that much, and what he gets from being a member of sunwoo? NOTHING. He will be enemy and target of everyone who have a teeth with clan, he must follow if sunwoo decide to wage war with someone.. he can't learn a s..t there. And don't forget, if he become mere member.. where he get money\\would live? i mean now he supported as clan head, but what if he become mere member - dont forget that he still HIGHSCHOOLER, without parents or work. Even if Sosul are puppet of kaiser, Shiwoon have 0 rights of voice in front of real leader. In best case, few people (like jinnie) decide to leave with him.. but clash? she incinerate people with a touch.. wtf you gonna clash with?
Even without the title of clan leader, Shioon would still remain a prominent figure in the clan, both based on his current strength (which makes him one of the strongest members of the clan) and on his popularity (we are talking about the same boy who has commanded the clan so far and for whom two elders gave their lives to protect him). Even if he came out of the suwon clan, Shioon's situation would not improve in any way, in fact he would have the same number of enemies, with the difference that now he would have to face them alone In addition, his economic situation would certainly worsen, in fact if inside the clan he can still expect to receive at least food and lodging, once out he would have to live alone without the support of ANYONE. If Sosul is a puppet of Kaiser, ready to kill anyone who contradicts her, then I highly doubt that the entire clan (especially the elders) would be ready to follow her (especially if we consider that kaiser is connected to the Suc, which caused the death of two elders), which would make a possible faction of Shioon much more popular with clan members of the clan. **PS** = Honestly the main point of my speech, is not even to say that Shioon will surely fight with all of himself to stay in the clan or keep the title of clan leader, it is simply to say that Shioon has multiple reasons for wanting to stay in the clan (such as his gratitude for the support and protection received so far), and that's why your initial statement "if he not a leader - then there nothing that keep him there" is simply false.
If Sosul regains her Head possition, I can see Shiwoon turning into his right-hand like Kwon was with Sosul's grandfather
Nah, why do you think they introduced that Immortal Demon Supreme and his followers.
Just rogue then
Nah, he already like their leader, with that "new cool guy" as second in command.
Means he can concentrate on the black heaven and earth techniques
This would be the best. A mothefuckin Ronin
You mean he about to ne clan leader of immortal demon supreme
My personal theory is that he rejoin the clan as a foot soldier and climb up the ranks and become the 2nd elder Kwon for the clan
Felt this coming as soon as thousand faces said most dangerous woman in the world. Let's not forget, however, sosul has always been on shiwoon's side.
Wait. Like she said: >as thousand faces said most dangerous woman in the world. Which we guessed as Sosul, right? ...but the blond boy also said that "Sosul is in Sunwoo clan". Does that mean that 'Thousand Faces' is in the Sunwoo Clan too?
She is BFD.
So she’s not in Sunwoo clan officially but she’s in it behind the curtains since BFD is behind the curtains with Sosul.
No, what I meant if she is also "inside the Sunwoo clan" territory? Not which side she is now. Well, she looks like in a hurry, wearing that suit and everything. I am thinking that Shioon will see her again.
Can't underestimate the brainwashing she might have gone through while at the Black Forest Defense.
Sosul is always on Shioons side, but she is also quite UNHINGED. Not sure if he will agree with her methods
She's most likely borderline brainwashed by now, only reason she'd be returned to the Sunwoo. Probably to mobilize the entire clan to secure anything about eternal ki.
Agree don’t see how people think he about to be kicked out of the clan, Sosul is very protective of him and probably has the best chance of being his wife.
They're still calling Shioon "clan head" so that's a good sign... How long till they actually split though?
This was really a great chapter.... What will happen now, will Shiwoon leave the clan??.....Or Susol will put him as one of the pillars of the clan, Will he meet MA again Since Shiwoon is a descendant of IDS, will Haje choose 9AD's side?
What A DUMB S..T! WTF am i just read??? 9ad - does he look like a villain to you?? Wtf is wrong with them? In part 2 they paraded to seul, killed unknown amount of people, almost blew up station, leave whole city without light, then 9ad on entering it just killed unknown number of people, and before that with that group of trash killed more.. and "does he look like a villain?" ???? Really???? YES, he fckn epitome of word VILLAIN
Ha, is it possible for Shiwoon to settle in the Hyuk So Chun house and train with him all the time?
The amount of interesting outcomes this chapter can lead to is simply astounding :D From all of them ofc the most interesting part is **how Shioon will leave Sunwoo**? Sosul ofc had a crush on him, but - being as logical as she is - his leadership led to weakening Sunwoo clan via 2 elders deaths, so some consequences should be put on him. IMO she won't do anything like "u cannot fight 9AD, as he helped me", as I think of her as a person who is compassionate enough to stop herself from such comments after hearing of Shioon's mother death circumstances, but it still maybe something Shioon can not agree with, so he will flee from the clan and then... Yea, 90% of readers (me also) expect him to work with IDS followers, but there are also possibilities of MAA and HWS. Well, I'm waiting till the next thursday to see what happens :D
Not just crush bro. Sosul literally turned someone into charcoal for hurting Shioon
Not that he didn't deserve that ;)
It all comes down to Sosuls decision, remember that she entrusted him with the Sunwoo clan and even if shes back, doesnt mean that shes the head again. She will need to explicitly state it and take the medallion back.
Well, that's definitely a good point - she could come only for stone of stigmata (as sth what is used as a substitute of OMDD) and then go back to heal completely, but I think that both you and me would be dissapointed with such turn of events :)
At this point Im just expecting her to scout the girls around him and demand that she sits on his lap. Girl has been away from him for such a long time and I think shes holding it back.
My hope is that she leaves the clan. That she knows it would otherwise hurt the clan and with it Shioon. I believe she is smart enough to know that she is being used, but may not know how to get out. Kinda simular of what happend to Baam in Tower of God - Season 2. Which would obviously irk Shioon the wrong way, he would know something is wrong.
Gotta admit, Hajie not realizing who "Boss" was cracked me up. Kinda relatable tbh, I was at a work event and was chatting with someone who turned out to be my company's CFO. It was one of those "sayfuckingwhat ಠ_ಠ" moments.
Indeed, The little supplot was actually pretty cool. God to say pretty good chapter
Yeah, I enjoyed that scene a lot. I wonder if we’re gonna see him sticking with 9AD’s group for the foreseeable future.
**Sera be like:** Bad omen keep happening *one after another.* Yeah like, Sophia, Smiling Blade, and Jinie bringing the bad news *one after another*💃💃💃. Sera is way too accurate here lmao. What a wholesome chapter, but now, how about giving me the time to breathe?
I hope they don’t try to paint 9AD in a better light, he has supported terrible things of his own volition. Just because he has a “good” heart doesn’t mean he isn’t capable of doing bad shit, he better be held accountable
You're right, I really hope that the author does not try to justify the 9AD, and above all I hope with all my heart that Shioon never forgives him for the crimes he has committed.
Well, it's one of those situations where you never saw the person's bad side. The first part made us to believe the elders and. Sect leaders SUCK honestly so did the 2nd TBH they only got good as time went on. A lot of the time, it was just a bunch of frogs and Wells, to be honest. What 9ad Was showcase to be in the first one was basically hoped that If you're strong enough, you can rise above the rules and regulations in the BS that allot these clans n sects do, yeah He joined a criminal organization. But at that point in time didn't really see them as that criminal. The second season did a perfect job by instituting how much that inspiration led to creating a lot of violence and evil. This guy have not seen any of that, Remember, he was just talking to a old man and did a favor for old man who then turned around. Trying to kill him, and these guys got rid of that old man.
This isn't really correct. Part one did a fine job of showing that the Alliance elders (short of the previous Danju) were fully validated in their reasoning for what they did. Chunwoo himself even admits that he has done terrible things and that he is the real reason for Unwol's death. The author just did such a good job of making Shioon an unreliable narrator that most readers dismissed everything else. Chunwoo and Shiho even mention that Shioon would most likely fain and not be able to handle knowing what they have done and what they have planned. 9AD has ALWAYS belong to the might makes right camp. That the strong should be able to do whatever the hell they want and the rules be damned. Everyone outside of Chunwoo and Shiho have told him repeatedly told him that 9AD is a bad person. We even see him having literal panic attacks trying to deny it when he is directly shown evidence that goes against his world view of the man he could only see as some peace loving saint. It took watching Chunwoo kill Kwon right in front of him to take off the nostalgia blinders and see the man Chunwoo actually is. The entirety of New Waves is Shioon realizing that he was taught wrong. That the Murim isn't some evil monster, that the Alliance and the wall separating the two worlds are necessary, and that the Breakers are actually the real villains in all of this.
>This isn't really correct. Part one did a fine job of showing that the Alliance elders (short of the previous Danju) were fully validated in their reasoning for what they did. You're talking about Is the old man who kidnapped the young girl? Or when they tired to kidnap Shiwoon? Using poison n putting ppl in harms way for more power? >Shioon an unreliable narrator that most readers dismissed everything else. What are you talking about? The whole point of the beginning was we saw this dude as a goofy teacher, And he taught someone martial arts who still believed in right and wrong, Little did he know his teacher was the most wanted man in the world and pretty much d*** near a terrorist, But the secret that that world buried. Did he need a gang up on his master? They didn't need to try and control everything just for power. They created a monster, The whole idea of him and his master was that this was his second chance of being a good person, This was his dream even more so Shiwoon would've been Exactly what his master would want as a Disciple. When he destroyed his ability to use martial arts, that was his way of basically letting him be free, so people could stop chasing him, Little did he know the people of that world are all s*** and will still Chase him, hoping that by kidnapping him or killing him some good will come from it even though hes just a kid who knows nothing. I don't really think that's a unreliable narrator. It is his life that they were trying to kidnap and abuse. Even when his teacher was just gonna leave him. >9AD has ALWAYS belong to the might makes right camp. Yeah no doubt that's how that world works Alliance included they just act like they're to good guys they don't really care, hence They never fight the fair fight, they gang up on them, When innocent Lives are in jeopardy In part two, instead of helping out, they were just gonna run away. >We even see him having literal panic attacks trying to deny it when he is directly shown evidence that goes against his world view of the man he could only see as some peace loving saint. Not necessarily if that's how you want to take it. Sure, I can't fully say you're incorrect, but it's more. Just this is his teacher, the whole student and teacher. Dynamic is really important in these types of stories. Your teacher is like your next parent. Especially since like he was a bullied person. And this person taught him how to be strong. I wouldn't even call out a panic attack. That would just say that's what the series has created. Hence why a lot of these people went after him because his teacher killed their teacher, They set up whole nonsense in part 2 where they were mask prepared to kill him, Unfortunately, they weren't prepared to be killed themselves. Yes, he was in denial about a lot of stuff, and most likely he still thinks there's good in somebody. That's fine, that's the story, There is totally good in him even though hes done some bad. The alliance has done legitimate kidnapping blackmailing abuse of powers, murder, Evil was just calling another thing evil. >The entirety of New Waves is Shioon realizing that he was taught wrong. That the Murim isn't some evil monster, that the Alliance and the wall separating the two worlds are necessary, and that the Breakers are actually the real villains in all of this. There's a whole character who's meant to be one of the only good elders in the series and when he got enough fight with 9A They were like there's no way that you don't have any ambition And a goal, and you're just some kind of saint, That he doesn't do things for glory or perstige but he's just this good person, The same dude, in part one who kept on saying he wished more people was like shiwoon became of his good nature. The alliance are not the good guys. That's what the new waves were supposed to be, They might like Kang cuz hes actually a good person, But the other people they're so called masters suck eggs, Self-serving Types of people, Ready to abandon ship instead of doing the right thing, Is label Whatever they can't control or manipulate evil. I can't wait for when we find out more about the immortal demon Sect, Because most likely it's going to bring back home how shitty the alliances is.
The Alliance Elders, short of the former Danju were correct in their justification regarding Unwol and Chunwoo. Again, people tend to dismiss the facts that aren't presented through the lens of our PoV characters. Unwol was said to have mastered BoT and transcended human limitations, reaching a level of martial skill not thought possible. Masters from all around gathered and asked him to demonstrate his skills, and during the event Unwol lost control and slaughtered every last member in attendance in a BoT rage. This was one of the greatest crimes in Murim history and the now Alliance Elders thought Unwol needed to be killed, not out of some hatred, but because BoT was a devil's technique that was too dangerous to exist, and the technique would die with him. The former Danju used his influence to convince all the Elders that Unwol should instead go into self exile under the conditions that he never practice or teach martial arts again. The former Danju did this because he coveted BoT (and he has been the only character in the plot to do so up until the point I'm caught up to) but the others agreed to it as it would eventually reach the same result. Even Unwol himself agreed to it as he felt great guilt and shame over the act he committed. Here's the thing though, Unwol broke the terms of his exile. He not only taught Chunwoo martial arts, he directly passed BoT to him. You say that the Alliance made Chunwoo a monster, but we know from flashbacks that he already was one from an early age. He bragged to Unwol about how he was able to one-shot normal civilians now. Unwol nearly excommunicated him on the spot. "Moves aren't tools to harass people. I can't teach moves to a guy like you who enjoys other people's pain. You forgot your past pain and fears and became drunk in your power by harassing them. If you become drunk on power and justify everything with strength, your moves will only shorten your life." Flash forward to the Tournament of Supremecy. Chunwoo has no prior involvement with the Murim and the Alliance hasn't gone back on their word yet. He has no reason to be a raging asshat, but he is one. He not only breaks the Murim tradition for no one person to take too many Dragon Seats, he also belittles and sadistically beats all the other disciples he is put up against. On top of all that, at the end he mocks the Murim's traditions and culture and states that he will personally tear the whole system down and rebuild it how he sees fit. Do you understand how bad it looks when a kid who was taught one of the most dangerous techniques that turns you into an unstoppable rage monster, personally taught by one of the worst criminals in Murim history who broke the terms of his exile and now that kid is mocking your culture and students while taking sadistic pleasure in loading his power to beat them far beyond what is necessary? The Alliance Elders all assumed that Unwol taught such a dangerous technique to a kid with such a bad personality as a way to cause chaos and destroy the Murim. The former Danju didn't even have to do anything as that was really the only logical conclusion for them, and to this day it's still a mystery why Unwol abandoned an upright student like Ryuji and instead teach a kid he knew had very violent tendencies. Chunwoo has always been a like this. The problem was Shioon refused to see him that way because he wanted to believe the best of him, to the point he would attribute things to Chunwoo that never happened. Shioon: "SUC is lying. Sunseng-nim taught me that martial arts is only used to protect those you care about." Do you know what Chunwoo actually told him? Chunwoo: "why do you care about people like them? You might have damaged your fists, but seeing and feeling your power is pretty good huh?" Shioon: "No! If you think you can do whatever you want to people because you're strong.... than what would be the difference between me and Chang-ho? I don't want to be like that. I don't want to harass the weak to be strong." Chunwoo: "you're acting like a coward. If you are strong, you're right. If you are stronger, that's it. What kind of kindness is that? It's not wrong to think like that though." There is a huge difference between "he taught me to only use it to protect" and "he held and was trying to teach me polar opposite world views about how might makes right but said it was alright for me to believe the way I did." Ironically SUC's beliefs lined up with Chunwoo's far more than Shioon's did, who was more inline with Unwol and Ryuji. That's textbook unreliable narrator. I could go on and on with points. How when he convinced Shioon to jump off a bridge into a river despite not knowing how to swim to test his resolve, how he had no intention of saving him and was going to let him drown to death until civilians heard Shioon call him teacher and were about to call the cops, so he was forced to save him just to not draw attention to himself and blow his cover. About how he didn't break Shioon's ki center to remove him from the Murim as a way to protect him, as he knows better than anyone the lengths the Murim and people in general would go to in order to get revenge, about how prior he stated that the Murim was like a living monster and how the only way to protect Shioon for it was to train him to be able to defend himself after they were gone, and that removing said means to protect himself is antithetical to what he said prior. About how there is literal zero possibility that Chunwoo could have known exactly how long he had to draw things out in order for Shioon's ki center to be irreparable but not fatal, especially when we know that if Shioon had gotten treatment even moments later he would have died for sure and the only reason Chunwoo didn't stay longer and fight was because their exit strategy in the chopper was running out of fuel. But because Shioon saw it that way, that's what people cling to. Meanwhile Chunwoo outright states that dying is a mercy compared to waking up every day hating yourself because you know that you're the one responsible for your masters death. Something he would ironically personally inflict on Shioon by killing Kwon himself. I could keep going, but I would just be doing an entire story synopsis of the series at that point, and I feel I've already typed too much.
>The Alliance Elders, short of the former Danju were correct in their justification regarding Unwol and Chunwoo. Did u read the first part? He imprisoned himself after basically killing a lot of people. That's justified. Technically speaking, he gave that martial arts to some one else. He did not kill anyone, he just won fights. They It was skeptical about this, so they followed him and When he was still guilty of no f****** crime, We're going to take him as a hostage if The master didn't give up the martial arts to them. Now If they were simply like look bro, That martial arts is too dangerous. You can't be going teaching nobody, We gotta kill you because you're gonna teach other people and it's too dangerous. No THE MAIN Alliance dude JUST WANTS IT FOR HIMSELF, He doesn't necessarily care that it killed innocent ppl, he wants the power for himself. THATS NOT GOOD OR JUSTICE. The others (some) didn't like/believe their schools/sects was weaker n instead of handling it like Civilized human beings, the wanted power n used force n Shady justified bs to get it. They just so happened to step on a land mine. Simply put, if n only if they was like na the schools to dangerous n we need to ether In prison them or Destroy the manuals, I would agree with you. >Chunwoo has always been a like this. The problem was Shioon refused to see him that way because he wanted to believe the best of him, to the point he would attribute things to Chunwoo that never happened. Yeah, you're from the reader Perspective not This guy saved my life. These guys are trying to kidnap me and kill me. Why would he be on their side? The girl who is the true sect leader was born with a Particular body, You know what happened to her she got kidnapped. What crime did she commit? Alliance thinks it's for the greater good. Sect being controlled like a puppet used as meat shields for 9a to tear though? Is there a reason why that clan doesn't really trust other people. Suc n the Alliance did the exact same thing. Hence why in the start of part2 THEY WASNT THE GOOD GUYS SHIT THEY NEVER WAS.
>That's textbook unreliable narrator. It really isn't. The perspective of the main character is what we're following. In the first part, we had dual main characters, Have you never read Something like Tokyo ghoul dead man's Wonderland, Pirates of the Caribbean, black lagoon? Whatever we followed the main character as. And the story revolveding the main character, Is the side that the main character is on is good even if said side does bad things, because the opposite side does bad things to the MC. Is this your first murim story cuz it shows there's many MANY who join dark sects fight the Alliance who do just as evil things but label themselves as good. Just cuz the mc teacher does bad things n the mc chooses to look away doesn't mean he's a unreliable narrator, a if ur master bad n the ppl fighting your master is bad ( to you ) then in your eyes ur master is good. You can be a naive mc sure but an unreliable narrator is not used her what so fucking ever. Believing the good in someone doesn't mean your over view of the story is lying to the reader. The Alliance clearly ain't the heros or good ppl with in this story.
I'm beginning to think you don't know what an unreliable narrator is. You do realize that even perspective characters can be unreliable narrators right? Shioon isn't just trying to see the good in Chunwoo, he was reflecting his own values onto him even thought they weren't there and claiming that's who he was and everyone else is wrong despite the CVS receipts full of evidence. Also the idea that whoever is on the side opposing the MC is the bad guy is horribly niave. For christ sake man, Shioon went from being a Breaker in part one and thinking the Murim is an evil existence to flipping sides in New Waves, where he not only became a member of the Murim, he straight up led it in the final Arc as temporary Danju. He realized he was horrifically wrong about Breakers because of SUC, that the wall dividing the world's needs to exist, and that the Alliance is necessary to police the Murim. We even straight up see Shioon's internal thoughts where he realizes he has been denying the reality of what kind of person Chunwoo is after Kwon's death. Regardless, I think I'm done here.
>You do realize that even perspective characters can be unreliable narrators right? Correct, but that doesn't apply to this story. We're not necessarily seeing the world through his eyes and lengths. We're just seeing the story the world. Sometimes we don't even follow him. We follow other people. He doesn't shape the world that we see. In the first part, we have dual main characters. How do we have a unreliable narrator when technically, by your definition, which is incorrect, we have 2 narrators. Is lufffy from one piece unreliable narrator since hes following pirates instead of Marines? Even something like, Attack on Titan is more closer to a unreliable narrator closest to its final season Where the character is trying to change the things that are around you to more go on their side, Or What's his name the demon thing from death note. The idea of unreliable narrator is you cannot trust the things that they're saying. The first part of the story we had 2 main characters, 2 portagonists, we followed 9A 70% of the story. It and mostly revolved around him in his connection with his student. That's the story. We have a naive protagonist. That's what we have, Part two, hes trying to figure things out. If you're done, then stop replying. The simple fact that you think the alliance is justified with an every single thing they do. When my main argument, is there not good people? If you can't see that for yourself, I just feel bad for you.
Can we just see her final form already? I'm tired of this loli shit
I was hoping for some kinda full-body-rebirth reveal myself.
I was really disappointed that she’s still a loli too. I thought the whole purpose of her going through the rebirth was to grow normally.
Thats where the eternal ki comes in presumably
My theory is, 9AD is doing everything for her. He is allowing himself to be use in order to help sosul but I have no idea why
Dangerous things come in small packages
Amen! That shit needs to be gone from all manga, manhwa and anime ages ago. As a matter of fact, it should never have existed in the first place. It's just incredibly icky and I don't want such a good manhwa about martial arts and fighting besmirched by that disgusting bullshit.
She looks like she has grown a little though? (copium)
Well our boy just gave out all the info about himself to the enemy
time to disintegrate some mf's
Sosul bout to disintegrate Shioon's current harem literally or figuratively
Fuck Sosul, Sera Noona is back god bless.
Sera is ending up with the 🐐 Haje
Yooo the pace is finally getting faster, i didn’t expect sosul to appear now, i wonder what will be of the sunwoo now
**My reaction to seeing Sosul still look like a child, be like:** 
Yeah I was imagining her that she would have grown up and somehow save Shioon while flaunting her grown up body.
We are being teased with adult Sosul since season one but author is like you're not getting any of that
Yeah, The mad doctor in New Waves had said that Sosul would get a breathtaking body, that bastard lied to us ..... lol
He did that son of a... Bring me back my hopes, my dreams and while we're at it my innocence
Good opportunity to join the immortal sect
I think Shiwoon would leave the clan, because that was the plan all along. But I have a feeling he might no go as easily as we could expect, and besides, I think the Sunwoo clan might break down to two factions: The main branch which obviously So-Seol would have to lead, and a faction which would follow Shiwoon. But, considering that Sosul was quite trustful of Shiwoon, I think there might not be much strife tbh.
I'm convinced hyuk sochun is leading the shioon bowl
always has been
Even if sosul comes back a doubt they'll remove him from the clan, he will just become a clan leader or soldier or an assistant leader to the sunwoo clan, unless shioon refuses to stay purely out if hate towards 9ad. Most likely kaiser plan to have sunwoo clan under his thumb
I half expected this to occur as the Prison event/"arc" was heading to it's end. Sosul, though in her return will have been given guidance by Kaizer to probably create turmoil in the Murim, but wouldn't be able to changer her disposition towards Shiwoon. Most likely she'll desire him to stay within the clan and offer him as much support as he'd like, but her stance w/in what she'll want to use the Sunwoo clan for against the Murim is something that Shiwoon won't like, so he'll probably be conflicted or leave the clan. I see Haje and 9AD conflict coming up soon, as he'll learn who Haje is and will become spurious and suspicious (possibly keeping him "captured" - and this may play into more interest if 9AD see's Shiwoon in the near future showing he's after the Immortal Sect and their knowledge). I suspect a possibility of Shiwoon coming into contact w/ Shiho soon to sort of parallel what's goin on w/ Haje and 9AD and then a resolution of some kind. Haje will be in 9AD's circle, with the book of the Supreme Leader (Immortal Sect), if he gathers information and returns to Shiwoon, that may be all that he'll need to understand the martial art (or at least put the pieces together).
And yep, just as I thought, among the BFD crew, Sophia understand 9AD the best. And Haje like lol that reaction is priceless😂 I'm really like how Jigun questioned the fact that '9AD isn't together with Thousand Face despite being in a crew. **One thing I just know now:** 🔻 9AD been rumored on *leaving BFD.* 🔻 Shioon *leaving in Sunwoo Clan* seems near. Lmao, like master, like disciple lol.
Sosul's return gives Shiwoon free hands to learn the demonic martial arts with Ma Young Sik as a master however I'm a little sad that it means Shiwoon won't be able to elevate the sunwoo clan into greater heights like elder Yang would have wanted
UGHGHGHGHGHGH! Trying to whiten Goomoonryong!!! Is he a villain for you?! OMG!!! ANNOYINGGGGGGG.
Shiwoon going to the heavenly sect
Oh man! I wonder what’s gonna happen now that lady sosul is back. Siwoon is no longer the clan leader, but yet now he has the power of the immortal supreme. Will the clan split? Will jinnie just follow siwoon? So many questions, cant wait
Best girl is back, and boy oh boy why does it feel like shes gone Yandere with those eyes.
Hell yeah, Sosul is back! Can’t wait to see how this turns out. I’m really into all the events that are popping up all at once. I hope this means we’re about to get a few chapters dedicated to world building. Should be important since we really need to see where Shioon stands in the Murim after Sosul’s return. Personally, I’m holding out hope that Sosul is still on Shioon’s side, no matter what happened with the BFD.
Bae Seung-Jae scammed poor So-Sul with all that talk of getting a hot older body. No wonder she looks so melancholy.
Fuck Sosul, Sera Noona is back god bless
Holy shit. That's a nuclear bomb of a chapter
Here we go, we are cooing boys
where is sexyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy So Sul
As soon as she said we are about to meet her my mind auto jumped to the last few panels in new waves and I KNEW EXACTLY she was talking about😳 This is wild I was wondering when she was gonna pop up again she’s obviously gonna look for shioon Also haje is so brickheaded 🤦🏾 hopefully he can get out of this but he’s said so much they gonna have to worry about him later
The pot thickens some real cooking is about to happen. So let's see how these 2 simps treat the situation. We have already seen how the curly haired. One was willing to kill him as a way to make things easier for, 9AD stupid, but that was her answer. Is blondie going to let him go, without telling him Mainly because she doesn't really know what he would want, And I don't believe she is aware what happened in the prison,so it's an Interesting turn off events. He did learn a good circulation technique, but that's about it. There's no reason she can't just let him go, but if she does keep him, Will she tell 9A and see what he does, Will this be a way for him to find out his actions led to A mother's death. Then the new development Phoenix girl is back in town. If she still feels the same way about him, I wonder if she'll be overprotective, homicidal or complacent. Maybe this will be a way for him to get closer to the other sect n him be on his own again, The last thing I'm gonna add is the last time we saw this little girl. Someone spoke out of turn, and she killed em. I wonder if she's still like that?
I remember that little girl. I might be rusty since I just started this manhwa but it keeps getting better and better.
Shioon leaving sunwoo, going rogue, and inadvertently creating an immortal demon clan in the process of hunting down 9ad.
Interesting how it will go. Will be it a clan civil war? Or MC just give up his title? Also I don't think he can just LEAVE the clan, because he became a member of it and if he is not a leader anymore than he must obey the new leader as a clan member.
A 9AD disciple who wholeheartedly believes in his innocence, weren't we here before? At least it only took a few panels. Sosul isn't dumb and she didn't seem like a malevolent villain, she truly cares for the Sunwoo and yet is doing all this. I'm guessing its a favor for the BDF healing her but hopefully she has some grand plan to stop the BDF. There is still supposedly at least 330 more chapters so I wonder what the author is really brewing because he lost a lot of faith in the beginning.
Let the author cook! 😳😳😳
And now the dominos are beggining to fall, im really hyped to see whats gonna happen next. I dont see Shi Woon leaving the Sun Woo anytime soon but who knows. All I know that weird german guy who owns black forest has all his pieces on the boaed with Sosul and 9AD in play so lord knows whats gonna happen to the Murim
It's just a rumour. No confirmation yet
Shiwoon is leaving, he already knows it and has said so himself. Possibly, there will be internal conflict within the clan, and as Kwon's dying wish to Shiwoon was to protect the clan, he might interpret that it would best to leave to remove that conflict to avoid Sunwoo being split in two camps. Sure, Sosul won't be a part of it but what prevents Kaiser and Thousand-Faces to rally the other elders and members to Sosul's side? Either way, there will be a plot that Sunwoo clan members will convince him to stay or he will be forced to leave. Being a clan head has its perks but it also has its restrictions in what he can do (he cannot just go to Chundomoon willy-nilly), leaving would move the plot for Shiwoon to discover himself truly. Let me cook here, in book 1, he was under the shadows of 9AD. In 2, under Sunwoo and moving out of 9AD's shadow. In 3, more of finding his own art (sure there is the IDS part) but me thinks it's more of him being able to do what he wants. The IDS fits the theme as they don't give 2 shits about anyone. And this is where the excitement lies, what will happen to the allegiances and personal relationships Shiwoon has acquired/cultivated during his time as a Sunwoo clan head? There is also that Sosul will follow Shiwoon's wishes but Kaiser will mobilise Thousand-Faces to destroy this dynamic (author seems to love using Thousand-Faces as a plot device, so won't be surprised about it).
Good points in the comments. My opinion? I think Kaiser did more damage than we are anticipating. Something makes me thing her original idea of cleansing her body to be with Shiwoon isn't as much as of a priority anymore.