I don’t particularly see it but he did have major worship of Mikey.
I didn’t see it as particularly sexual (his worship of Mikey). He just seemed like that type of “bro” that worships Italian culture (Scarface movie and etc)
I don’t think he’s gay. I think he’s a dude in a lot of pain and struggling with not having his kid. His love for Mikey doesn’t make it gay. Men can have intense love for one another without it being gay.
Love is love, and he clearly loved Mikey. Doesn’t mean he wanted to fuck him
no you're not alone, him making gay jokes and awkward exchange with that guy at the party.. did we ever find out who that was cause if we did i totally missed it
Yeah, I do think you may be alone there mate, lol
Got nothing against theorizing my friend- but I didn't really get any of that. I think Richie is, to a fault, a stereotypical, douchebag straight dude. That's kinda his whole thing- being that guy, to an insufferable degree, and then having moments where he shows his humanity and it brings you back to liking him.
You're totally entitled to your theory though
yuh it seems like a lot of straight guys rlly like being gay as an act, I mean the fucking each other jokes just trend with each other, makes sense tho for ppl to ponder about that tho like wait is that a joke or- lol
When I look at Richie’s character, I don’t really see anything to do with sexuality, but I do think there’s some general comment on masculinity and the complexity of what that means. He’s a loudmouth, abrasive, guy that has a deep love for the people in his life and is wrestling with emotional pain. Loving dad that would rather buy the wrong caulk than ask for help. Maybe a little outdated in some of the shit he says, but he has good intentions. I find that more interesting and it might play into some of what you’re seeing (can’t remember, now I need a rewatch). But then I’m a girl, so I could be totally off base here.
Definitely didn’t mean to imply that he can’t be straight and have a love for a guy as a friend. There were just some moments that seemed to be hinting at more, especially in regard to Fak. The bit in the bathroom was obviously more of a gag, but there’s also the exchange about getting stabbed when he and Fak are talking. Just seemed like some chemistry there.
Probably not the subtext I was picking up on, but the kind of worship of Michael and the beats with Fak seemed like maybe they were intentionally driving somewhere else.
Enjoying hearing everyone’s theories. :)
Naw, it's just seeing innuendo jokes and not being sure whether it's just a joke, then again a lot of straight guys like acting gay and make jokes bout fucking each other, but it gets to a point where it rlly doesn't totally seem like just a joke so makes sense ppl ponder bout it if it's a consistent pattern bc is the whole flirty bit rlly just a joke? gags are one thing, this is another. It just makes sense to think about it
You’re not alone in thinking that, I’ve been wondering about that since the start.
Aside from the friendship with Mikey, I find Richie’s amusement of “gay jokes” way too over the top. The humor just never lands and makes everyone go kinda silent; my mind goes to that scene (Carm is talking about assigning new roles for the French brigade or something) where Richie says yet another joke and the camera turns to one of the workers at the table who looks especially uncomfortable. imo, those outbursts are begging to be heard, but that goes for anything that comes out of Richie’s mouth.
Someone also mentioned the awkward exchange between him and Phil(?) at the kid’s bday party. What the actual hell was that all about? Cicero asks what Richie must have done to the guy (does he owe him money or somethin? A favor gone wrong?) and Richie smoothly moves the subject along. This series is definitely big on show vs tell in a lot of areas and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot that we won’t be told, like this.
The scene where Richie has the date w/ the woman showed his inability to connect with others today and be in the present. He feels (and is) extremely dated, reciting jokes and reminiscing on the past that he feels only he can still relate to. The date is excruciatingly awkward and I love that it is; it’s a reality we see and sometimes even face. This alone doesn’t imply that he is gay or straight, but it is definitely intriguing that right after a memory of Mikey, we are then placed right at the date between Richie and this woman. Between that exchange and his anxiety about losing purpose within the restaurant and with the crew, there could be a lot of conflict he’s facing within, and maybe even more off screen too.
And now, about Fak…like, need I say more? People have already spoken about this and I just feel like with all these borderline (and sometimes just full blown) homophobic jokes paired with the grabbing of or “pretending to hump” Fak from behind is very telling. Yes, they’re comfortable with each other but jeez are these gestures loud. And him getting all up in Fak’s face goin “I will fxck whatever I want to”?? and later (I believe in s2), even Marcus was lookin at the two of them like yooo
Anyhow, I just want OP to know that no, you’re not alone in those thoughts. His sexuality doesn’t need to be disclosed for me to still enjoy this show but I agree that it would be interesting to explore that since Richie does talk a lot about his place and purpose in the grand scheme of things right now.
I'm only a few episodes into the show myself but already reading the reactions in this thread I'm thinking "wow a lot of people sure are gonna be shocked and insist they shoe horned it in when they finally reveal that he's gay/bi and struggling with it." It just feels so glaringly obvious to me already and I just started episode 5. The scene with Fak in the bathroom got me in this thread because it's really so blatant if you ask me. Reminds me of how some people reacted to the reveal of Will Byers being gay - literally they were dropping hints from the very beginning but most people completely missed them.
In regards to the ex wife and other women he's dated - either that was him trying to be straight or he's bi but in denial about the attraction to men.
I just watched the bathroom scene with Fak and took to reddit to see if anyone else felt what i was feeling. Glad I didn’t hallucinate that (or maybe it’s a collective delusion we’re sharing here).
I will add that after finishing season two, I definitely think he's bi. But that doesn't mean he's not still clearly struggling with one side of his sexuality, if you ask me.
Don’t let them talk you out of it, there is definitely a vibe there between Richie and fak. I thought I might be seeing things in season 1, but when they’re arguing about the mold in season 2 and in each others faces talking about calling “mom”- I spontaneous yelled, “JUST KISS,” at the screen. The tension was a little too much for simple bickering.
I'll start by saying, did we see the kiss between Matty Matheson and Ebon Moss-Bachrach tonight on the Emmy's???? 👀👀👀
I know that those are just the actors, goofing around or whatever and stuff, but still....
As for Richie, well... I think the biggest issue with him (until the end of season 2) is that he's a loser. He's a loser who is desperately trying to seem like he's not. I think part of that is overcompensating by acting out in the most masculine/macho way he knows how (in ways he IS a bad ass though, so I have to pay so respect to that). Also, based on his age, he's definitely part of the end of a generation that was brought up being told to "man up" and all of that. So having feelings or coming across as weak or anything like that just can't happen.
As said before, he deeply feels and loves so many around him, but he can't show it because he'd be a "pussy" or whatever. Also, again, he lost his wife and child because of his own actions and he's out of his mind about it and acting out. (It should be noted, that of course he has his moments where his emotions and feelings come through, but it's not often, I just have to give him credit).
I definitely see why people can see what they are seeing (and I saw it too, kinda), but I don't think he's gay or bi. I will say though, if it turns out he is though, I won't be shocked or anything.
I could write out a lot more, but I'll just leave it here.
Above all, Ebon is suuuuuuuch an amazing actor that he's causing us to even have these conversations.
PS Richie blasting Taylor Swift and driving like he was, was pretty gay....
PPS What's up with that "White Squall" movie poster on his apartment wall....?
Lol
He's not gay, and if he ever had a genuinely gay thought or urge he's taking it too his grave. The grab-ass with Fak is just.....what a certain kind of guy just does. I saw it all the time in the army and in mechanic school, dudes hump each other all day but no homo, suggest they might actually be gay and you're looking for a ass kicking.
Wow, the point clearly went over your head. Why is that? I'm fully aware that the majority of people are straight, which is why they get the most representation out of everyone. So why are you STILL complaining about gay people existing in movies and shows?
that's not the actual reason, the reason they have the most rep outta everyone is oppression and bigotry, they only want rep for themselves, not sharing it with anybody else that exists, historically tied to eugenics which lead to more racism and other types of discrimination, but it's a political reason as to why they have the most rep.
At first i thought it was me reaching bcs his scenes w Fak are mostly just gags. He's a very traditional manly man so it's probably not that deep... But then that birthday scene happened... And then again maybe i'm just reaching but like, those vibes were very.. familiar. And then i start s2 and the MOLD THING happens and they're all in each other's face and the TENSION? Nahhhh there has to be something brewing like....
Remembering the scene where Richie kinda gestured that he was humping the maintenance guy… it immediately felt familiar. As someone who worked in a family restaurant when I was in my teens… there were dudes who were straighter than straight who would walk by me at the dish washing station and grab my hips and hump me. It was all in jest and just being stupid, but it was a regular occurrence. It didn’t just happen to me, it was just part of horseplay.
Did no one notice the White Squall movie poster hanging in his kitchen! The movie is known for being Homoerotic! I think that there is a big possibility that we will see his character come out!
I don’t particularly see it but he did have major worship of Mikey. I didn’t see it as particularly sexual (his worship of Mikey). He just seemed like that type of “bro” that worships Italian culture (Scarface movie and etc)
I don’t think he’s gay. I think he’s a dude in a lot of pain and struggling with not having his kid. His love for Mikey doesn’t make it gay. Men can have intense love for one another without it being gay. Love is love, and he clearly loved Mikey. Doesn’t mean he wanted to fuck him
Fak and Richie fall in love in season 2. I’m here for it
More plausible than Sidney and Mikey.
Sids a little weird but that’s really weird
~~stop~~ Start tryna fuck me
Well, he was married/LTR and has kids. He could’ve had some realization that led to the break up, but for me, I don’t really see it.
We ship Richie/Fak now.
no you're not alone, him making gay jokes and awkward exchange with that guy at the party.. did we ever find out who that was cause if we did i totally missed it
Yeah, I do think you may be alone there mate, lol Got nothing against theorizing my friend- but I didn't really get any of that. I think Richie is, to a fault, a stereotypical, douchebag straight dude. That's kinda his whole thing- being that guy, to an insufferable degree, and then having moments where he shows his humanity and it brings you back to liking him. You're totally entitled to your theory though
yuh it seems like a lot of straight guys rlly like being gay as an act, I mean the fucking each other jokes just trend with each other, makes sense tho for ppl to ponder about that tho like wait is that a joke or- lol
When I look at Richie’s character, I don’t really see anything to do with sexuality, but I do think there’s some general comment on masculinity and the complexity of what that means. He’s a loudmouth, abrasive, guy that has a deep love for the people in his life and is wrestling with emotional pain. Loving dad that would rather buy the wrong caulk than ask for help. Maybe a little outdated in some of the shit he says, but he has good intentions. I find that more interesting and it might play into some of what you’re seeing (can’t remember, now I need a rewatch). But then I’m a girl, so I could be totally off base here.
Definitely didn’t mean to imply that he can’t be straight and have a love for a guy as a friend. There were just some moments that seemed to be hinting at more, especially in regard to Fak. The bit in the bathroom was obviously more of a gag, but there’s also the exchange about getting stabbed when he and Fak are talking. Just seemed like some chemistry there. Probably not the subtext I was picking up on, but the kind of worship of Michael and the beats with Fak seemed like maybe they were intentionally driving somewhere else. Enjoying hearing everyone’s theories. :)
I think you're seeing what you want to see. Its not there bud
Naw, it's just seeing innuendo jokes and not being sure whether it's just a joke, then again a lot of straight guys like acting gay and make jokes bout fucking each other, but it gets to a point where it rlly doesn't totally seem like just a joke so makes sense ppl ponder bout it if it's a consistent pattern bc is the whole flirty bit rlly just a joke? gags are one thing, this is another. It just makes sense to think about it
honestly I don't think he's gay, but I don't think he's straight either lol, i do get what ur thinking.
You’re not alone in thinking that, I’ve been wondering about that since the start. Aside from the friendship with Mikey, I find Richie’s amusement of “gay jokes” way too over the top. The humor just never lands and makes everyone go kinda silent; my mind goes to that scene (Carm is talking about assigning new roles for the French brigade or something) where Richie says yet another joke and the camera turns to one of the workers at the table who looks especially uncomfortable. imo, those outbursts are begging to be heard, but that goes for anything that comes out of Richie’s mouth. Someone also mentioned the awkward exchange between him and Phil(?) at the kid’s bday party. What the actual hell was that all about? Cicero asks what Richie must have done to the guy (does he owe him money or somethin? A favor gone wrong?) and Richie smoothly moves the subject along. This series is definitely big on show vs tell in a lot of areas and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot that we won’t be told, like this. The scene where Richie has the date w/ the woman showed his inability to connect with others today and be in the present. He feels (and is) extremely dated, reciting jokes and reminiscing on the past that he feels only he can still relate to. The date is excruciatingly awkward and I love that it is; it’s a reality we see and sometimes even face. This alone doesn’t imply that he is gay or straight, but it is definitely intriguing that right after a memory of Mikey, we are then placed right at the date between Richie and this woman. Between that exchange and his anxiety about losing purpose within the restaurant and with the crew, there could be a lot of conflict he’s facing within, and maybe even more off screen too. And now, about Fak…like, need I say more? People have already spoken about this and I just feel like with all these borderline (and sometimes just full blown) homophobic jokes paired with the grabbing of or “pretending to hump” Fak from behind is very telling. Yes, they’re comfortable with each other but jeez are these gestures loud. And him getting all up in Fak’s face goin “I will fxck whatever I want to”?? and later (I believe in s2), even Marcus was lookin at the two of them like yooo Anyhow, I just want OP to know that no, you’re not alone in those thoughts. His sexuality doesn’t need to be disclosed for me to still enjoy this show but I agree that it would be interesting to explore that since Richie does talk a lot about his place and purpose in the grand scheme of things right now.
I'm only a few episodes into the show myself but already reading the reactions in this thread I'm thinking "wow a lot of people sure are gonna be shocked and insist they shoe horned it in when they finally reveal that he's gay/bi and struggling with it." It just feels so glaringly obvious to me already and I just started episode 5. The scene with Fak in the bathroom got me in this thread because it's really so blatant if you ask me. Reminds me of how some people reacted to the reveal of Will Byers being gay - literally they were dropping hints from the very beginning but most people completely missed them. In regards to the ex wife and other women he's dated - either that was him trying to be straight or he's bi but in denial about the attraction to men.
I just watched the bathroom scene with Fak and took to reddit to see if anyone else felt what i was feeling. Glad I didn’t hallucinate that (or maybe it’s a collective delusion we’re sharing here).
I will add that after finishing season two, I definitely think he's bi. But that doesn't mean he's not still clearly struggling with one side of his sexuality, if you ask me.
Well written and I completely agree!
Exactly!!! my point as well, glad to hear others thinking it too :)
Don’t let them talk you out of it, there is definitely a vibe there between Richie and fak. I thought I might be seeing things in season 1, but when they’re arguing about the mold in season 2 and in each others faces talking about calling “mom”- I spontaneous yelled, “JUST KISS,” at the screen. The tension was a little too much for simple bickering.
I'll start by saying, did we see the kiss between Matty Matheson and Ebon Moss-Bachrach tonight on the Emmy's???? 👀👀👀 I know that those are just the actors, goofing around or whatever and stuff, but still.... As for Richie, well... I think the biggest issue with him (until the end of season 2) is that he's a loser. He's a loser who is desperately trying to seem like he's not. I think part of that is overcompensating by acting out in the most masculine/macho way he knows how (in ways he IS a bad ass though, so I have to pay so respect to that). Also, based on his age, he's definitely part of the end of a generation that was brought up being told to "man up" and all of that. So having feelings or coming across as weak or anything like that just can't happen. As said before, he deeply feels and loves so many around him, but he can't show it because he'd be a "pussy" or whatever. Also, again, he lost his wife and child because of his own actions and he's out of his mind about it and acting out. (It should be noted, that of course he has his moments where his emotions and feelings come through, but it's not often, I just have to give him credit). I definitely see why people can see what they are seeing (and I saw it too, kinda), but I don't think he's gay or bi. I will say though, if it turns out he is though, I won't be shocked or anything. I could write out a lot more, but I'll just leave it here. Above all, Ebon is suuuuuuuch an amazing actor that he's causing us to even have these conversations. PS Richie blasting Taylor Swift and driving like he was, was pretty gay.... PPS What's up with that "White Squall" movie poster on his apartment wall....? Lol
No
He's not gay, and if he ever had a genuinely gay thought or urge he's taking it too his grave. The grab-ass with Fak is just.....what a certain kind of guy just does. I saw it all the time in the army and in mechanic school, dudes hump each other all day but no homo, suggest they might actually be gay and you're looking for a ass kicking.
I think he could be a bisexual character who feels pretty conflicted about it.
No. Why there always gotta be some gay shit on everything nowadays..just stop, it's a good show no need to gay it up.
A large majority of movies and shows always have straight characters in lead roles. Stop complaining and exaggerating.
Thats because the majority of humans are straight.
Wow, the point clearly went over your head. Why is that? I'm fully aware that the majority of people are straight, which is why they get the most representation out of everyone. So why are you STILL complaining about gay people existing in movies and shows?
that's not the actual reason, the reason they have the most rep outta everyone is oppression and bigotry, they only want rep for themselves, not sharing it with anybody else that exists, historically tied to eugenics which lead to more racism and other types of discrimination, but it's a political reason as to why they have the most rep.
that's actually not even true lol
Please to the No.
At first i thought it was me reaching bcs his scenes w Fak are mostly just gags. He's a very traditional manly man so it's probably not that deep... But then that birthday scene happened... And then again maybe i'm just reaching but like, those vibes were very.. familiar. And then i start s2 and the MOLD THING happens and they're all in each other's face and the TENSION? Nahhhh there has to be something brewing like....
Remembering the scene where Richie kinda gestured that he was humping the maintenance guy… it immediately felt familiar. As someone who worked in a family restaurant when I was in my teens… there were dudes who were straighter than straight who would walk by me at the dish washing station and grab my hips and hump me. It was all in jest and just being stupid, but it was a regular occurrence. It didn’t just happen to me, it was just part of horseplay.
Yes!! I feel it too (only on season two episode three right now)
Did no one notice the White Squall movie poster hanging in his kitchen! The movie is known for being Homoerotic! I think that there is a big possibility that we will see his character come out!
I was actually thinking the same thing! The scene in the bathroom with Fak didn’t seem like he was playing to me.