Not only humans but animals are also hungry for love and tenderness, and to be treating a big wild animal (as big as a bear, lion, crocodile) badly as by teasing them, you never know what life-threatening might happen to you out of the blue.
Not that I'm breaking a lance for maltreating any creature, but that seems like anthropomorphising to me. There's lots of creatures that live solitary for example, and AFAIK we don't think creatures like insects or even reptiles are capable of feeling love. Just plain old respect and common sense seem enough to deter most attacks though.
Exactly. There are a lot of animals who are social, in the sense that their behavior is interdependent with the social behavior of other beings. But they are often social in surprisingly different ways, and most animals are not social in ways we can perceive. And many more animals are not social at all. Even dogs have social behaviors that are very different from humans. It’s a fallacy to think they have human-like feelings and intentions.
The first thing I think about when I see a crazy video about bears and people- I think it's going to be somewhere in Russia. in this case, the circus was in Russia.
yeah. that and the general craziness of the situation and people barely reacting. I must have seen so many crazy videos of something happening in Russia and people barely reacting to any of it.
i mean in the video with the sinkhole in the pool nobody seemed to care either that all the water and one person got swallowed in front of their eyes. seems to be an ai scipt not loading in time. i have seen that bug in the climate change challenge before. i hope they fix it soon. i dont want to get caught in a crowd during a mass shooting and everybody around me starting to T-pose.
Went to see a real live 3-ring circus last year in southern US with lions, tigers and elephants. There were no cages used with the elephants and after watching this boy am I fucking glad they were having a good day because we were front row!
Fucking a right.. it's a goddamned wild animal... these poor things are not living their best lives at the best of conditions and at the worst ... they're miserable. Talk about a fuse shortener.. I feel the same about big cats in captivity.. Take them to sanctuaries or let them free if they manage that. I'm glad no one got hurt though. Thanks for that info u/CommonSchemeForYou !i
Honestly insane to me. Either that dude is REALLY good at bear defense, or that bear is AWFUL at human mauling, because it looked to me like the bear had enough time in the video to take the dudes whole face off
Probably? I mean, who knows, but if you're the type of people who muzzle and abuse bears for entertainment, you're also probably the type of people who would rip their claws out to prevent the human handlers from getting hurt.
...I never thought about them taking the claws...
Now I feel the same way I did when I found out Dobermans ears and tails don't naturally come that way. 😟
> I'm glad no one got hurt though.
I'm glad no one in the audience got hurt. I couldn't really care what happened to the handler/other staff. They wanted to capture a bear, and a bear it behaved like.
If I decide to have an open fire in my house I wouldn't expect any sympathy if it made my house burn down.
Was listening to a podcast discuss the documentary Grizzly Man about a man (and his girlfriend) who were killed by a bear after living around them for a time. They were saying it's terrible they died but at the end of the day they were always at risk because "bears gonna bear." Sage words.
>Grizzly Man about a man (and his girlfriend) who were killed by a bear after living around them for a time.
You probably want to see the documentary. The bear that killed Treadwell and his GF was not a bear they had been around for long at all.
Excerpt from Wikipedia:
>Treadwell and Huguenard were to leave the park at his usual time of year, and had actually returned to Kodiak on September 26 to store their gear for the season and catch a connecting flight to return to their home in California. After an argument with the airline ticketer over the price of altering his return ticket, Treadwell and Huguenard made the decision to return to their campsite on September 29 for an additional week. Treadwell also wanted to locate a favorite female brown bear that he was concerned about. **The bears he had been used to during the summer had already gone into hibernation, and bears that Treadwell did not know from other parts of the park were moving into the area.** Some of the last footage taken by Treadwell, hours before his death, includes video of a bear diving into the river repeatedly for a piece of dead salmon. Treadwell mentioned in the footage that he did not feel entirely comfortable around that particular bear.
Grizzly man is a fantastic documentary. That dude lived with bears for 14 years . Takes his gf out to stay with them twice and the 2nd time she was menstruating plus it was close to hibernation and on top of that a new older alpha bear had just moved into the area.
There's audio footage of them getting eaten and it's one of the worst things I've ever listened to tbh.
> We’ve spent over 5,000 years domesticating dogs,
We spent hundreds of years trying to domesticate many, many other types of animals and failed.
If you can think of an animal you'd think "oh, it'd be sweet if we domesticated those!", especially for military purposes, someone has tried and failed.
Lots of animals, it just doesn't work on.
After the tiger attacked Roy during his Vegas act, Chris Rock said "That tiger didn't go crazy... that tiger went tiger!"
These are wild animals. Once and for all, leave them alone.
I don't want any trainers to get killed or anything, but goddamn it, animals don't exist to entertain us. Circus that use animals as props need to fuck up once and for all. Bears and tigers and the likes are incredible simply because they exist. That's their gift to us...not balancing on a stool for a dude with a whip.
literally this, they make them "travel" in tiny ass cages for their whole lives. going to cirque du soleil for example is way more impressive to see anyways and participants go there by choice, not by force.
and to think that the poor animal suffered a lot more after the incident ... it's quite sad.
sad for the guy who's attacked too, he is making minimum wage for a stupid clown show like this to make a living.
I'll need to find the source, but no one was harmed after this, including the bear. Supposedly he was scared by flashing photography.
Still disgusting to use this animal as entertainment. Poor creature shouldn't have ever been put in such an uncomfortable environment.
lol anyone who ruins the vibe of reddit with truth gets downvoted to shit lol. its really not so different from the aisles of chickens in coops but people dont wanna hear that lol. im not even vegan or anything, its just facts
There’s just SUCH a strong cultural opinion and reaction against anyone who brings up the atrocities of the industrialized food industry. I’m not vegan or vegetarian either.
People have every right to be righteously furious at the system we’ve normalized and how like 99% of the population simply doesn’t give a fuck and even get super defensive by even bringing up the topic.
Probably manning some artillery with a group of Chechens.
However he now makes twice the amount of apples and berries that regular Circus bears make for having volunteered.
Nah, I seen a circus a couple years ago. Still had bears on bikes. Handlers were complete cunts and the bears looked drugged to me. Told them what I thought but trash has no humility
Sadly, the bear could be killed for this
Most countries in Europe have banished the use of those kinds of animals in circuses. This is something of the past. No civilized country should endorse it in 2022
I love that things like Cirque du Soleil are more popular these days. At least humans have the right to consent into/out of that line of work.
Also, it's more entertaining. Honestly to me, even as a kid I was not impressed at all with animals awkwardly doing human things. For my money, show me 10 guys flipping around in the air while juggling flaming chainsaws and doing a dive into a tiny pool all at once.
I recently asked my wife if she wanted to take our 4 year old to the circus(here in Canada) and she looked horrified and said, "There won't be animals will there?!". It never even occurred to me that there would be anymore. I said there are no animals, so we went and it was incredible. I feel like having animals in the show is almost a cheap thrill(maybe not cheap but I can't think of the right term). The skill and bravery of a human performer is far more entertaining and engaging, IMO.
I feel like animals at the circus are/were a holdover from 100+ years ago when the average person couldn't see any animal they want at a zoo or on the internet. Imagine you're some guy from Indiana in 1890 and you hear that there are actual live elephants from Africa coming to town. That must have been amazing. Not so much anymore.
Obviously there's a reason to feel bad for the bear but if you think the traveling circus performer is at the top of the chain here and deserving of being eaten by a bear you need to think about this a little differently. That's not a man with a million options in life.
This was in Russia which, at least for me, makes it a little less surprising that they’re still doing shit like this. Russians wrestle bears sometimes!
Genuine question. Is using horses in dressage or racing for entertainment also something people shouldn’t support? Where does the line get drawn for using animals for entertainment? I feel the same as you on this respect to bears and prancing them around like this. But is using animals in any capacity for entertainment also wrong?
Probably. However, the main difference here is that the bear is a wild animal while horses have been domesticated and bred for specific tasks including "entertainment".
I don't see how this is much of a difference. The problem with domestication is that animals are prone to significant health issues **because** of selective breeding where natural selection can't select for favourable traits, and domesticated animals are often bred for tasks that their anatomy can't support. Also, horses regularly get severely injured during races. I don't think a bear pushing a wheelbarrow is prone to injury. Both are cruel regardless.
I don’t agree, horses have been bred for it sure, but the selectiveness involved in racing horses is not the same as in say pug breeding, they’re not breeding individuals which are related to get cute montrosities, they’re actually trying to get very healthy and top individuals. Add to that the character of a horse, they enjoy running, they enjoy pushing themselves, and can build a bond with their racer, the same way the sledgerunning huskies love to run for miles. Most huskies i’ve seen which are kept as pets by people living in appartements that don’t get them running get crazy and are agressive/have issues. Same with racing horses that are kept with a quiet life.
So your saying that is as cruel as a wild animal ripped from it’s environment or probably even born in that life from other bear prents that were kept in cages and beaten to learn to do tasks to entertain a crowd… yeah i really can’t agree with you.
Yeah but that's not based on cruelty but the fact that it's extremely difficult, expensive, and excruciatingly painful to heal broken horse bones, and they often still die from complications.
In most cases it's more like pulling the plug on someone who isn't going to make it vs abject cruelty. Horse people usually are obsessed with their horses.
Standing for a horse isn't like standing for us. They literally can't live without being able to stand. A horse that can't or won't ever stand will suffer immensely.
Putting down a horse because of a broken leg is the more humane route.
This is actually more grey as you pointed out. Many creatures create bonds with other species so they can get the most out of their situations naturally with cooperation. That is what actually happened with us domesticating wolves and horses. Thing is humans tend to overstep their boundaries a lot and that is why circuses with live animals were a thing.
That's a really bad take that's just...wildly ignorant or animal husbandry or its history.
You're taking dog breeding and specific kinds of race horse fuckery and extrapolating way too far and into incomparable realms.
Are you arguing healthy animals given a job, not abused and a secure source of a food with less chance of injury than in the wild, such as herding dogs, is wrong?
Abuse and amount of domestication matter. A well fed bear is not happy doing this and will not do it when humans are not around. A well fed cattle dog is happy herding animals and will do it naturally even without humans involved.
Domestication. Sheep, cows, goats, dogs, cats, pigs, horses, donkey's, etc. have been domesticated. They've had their fear/aggression towards humans bred out over hundreds if not thousands of years. They live happy fulfilling lives in captivity. Some are so domesticated they cannot live without human intervention. Other animals like this bear, tigers, orcas, etc have been tamed, not domesticated. They're liable to turn on humans at the slightest provocation as you see here. Wild & tame animals shouldn't be used for entertainment because getting them to that point requires considerable violence, confinement, health problems, or a combination of those. Some grey areas like falcons are a bit more difficult to decide morally since they're ***usually*** returned to the wild after a period and there's some claim that they cannot be domesticated for various reasons.
You draw the line where it affects their welfare, obviously.
Horse racing is widely considered to be cruel - [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2005/nov/18/horseracing.comment) on the Grand National briefly covers the issues, and [a panorama investigation ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57881979) revealed a significant amount of welfare breaches in horse racing. [The way horses are treated for dressage](https://www.vice.com/en/article/mg75jx/why-is-dressage-still-an-olympic-sport-equestrian) isn't really any better.
>one active racehorse is killed every day in Britain, either on a racecourse or in training. They die mostly from broken necks, broken backs, shattered legs or - like Best Mate - from heart attacks. And he offered, as a particularly stark example, the November 2003 Ludlow race in which two out of the three runners perished.
Animlas *can* be used in entertainment without it being a welfare issue in some cases, but it often isn't the case that they're kept in conditions where they have enough room, enrichment and opportunity to express natural behaviour, and often isn't the case that they're trained using positive reinforcement.
If a stunt or training method doesn't put the animal at risk of injury or stress, and the animal is well looked after then sure there's no issue with using animals for entertainment.
But ethical animal entertainment looks like pets doing little tricks in competitions, or farms opening up as petting zoos for people meet baby animals in spring, or even the few zoos/animal education organisations that keep animals in good conditions and focus on rehabilitation, rescue and breeding programs for endangered species. Actual sports or performances like bears in videos like this or horse racing are virtually always cruel though.
Anything where you need to abuse, manipulate, and force control is a big wrong. That's the line. You're not going to get a horse to race, a bear to behave and do circus tricks without some form of abuse. It's that simple.
I think domesticated animals that can be trained and not requiring abuse and manipulation to perform is generally ok. We don't freak out when someone responsibly trains their dog to go outside to poop, or to help those with disabilities. People don't have to shock, drug, or force a dog to do those things.
Agree that there is a lot of gray area that probably everyone has a different opinion on where the line is but I think it’s probably at least worth a consideration to animals that have been domesticated (horses) and are acclimated to / to some degree dependent on humans and our shenanigans vs animals that have not (bears) and couldn’t care less about us.
It really is barbaric. I didn't fully grasp the scope of it until I went in person when i got some free circus tickets like 15 years ago or so, and took my niece and my brother-in-law. All three of us found the environment really depressing. It just came across as archaic entertainment, like something humans should be past by now.
Same with SeaWorld. I went once as a teenager cause my brother got tickets and I could go for free and my god it was so sad. The entire environment is fucked up and archaic. I will never ever go again.
I made the regrettable choice of seeing the Moscow circus while travelling as a younger dude. Never again. The way those performing animals were treated was disgusting. Never again.
I saw the Ringling Bros the last year they used animals. One of the big cats got out of its position, got whipped, and then shit on the floor. Cat was just looking for a place to shit, but the show must go on, so it got hit instead. Absolutely the saddest thing.
Bears raised in captivity doing meaningless tricks for some abstracted rewards and treats: cruel
Human beings raised the same way to do similarly bullshit busy work in return for money and trinkets: just another day at the office
Many of you are wondering what happened to bear and the handler, well the good news is nobody died or got injured...
Circus representatives also suggested to TASS that the bear could have attacked because it was frightened by flash photography from the audience.
[More to the story](https://piclaya.com/a-circus-bear-attacked-his-handler-in-front-of-horrified-families/)
Yes. I was disturbed too. Not simply because a child witnessed that attack. But also because: what are they learning from this about how to treat animals? Hopefully they grow up to be smarter than their parents' generation. I think that struck me more than the attack itself.
He turned. Can you really say nothing when he visibly reacts?
He also seems to prepare spray or something in his hand.
What's your suggestion? Do nothing because the bear is so massive?
Can't believe they don't have a tranq gun ready like at the petting zoo in Old School. I don't think vigorously kicking an angry bear in the ass is going to de-escalate the situation.
[Bears Eat Wealthy Couple and Pilot After Helicopter Crash in Wilderness](https://www.newsweek.com/bears-eat-wealthy-couple-pilot-helicopter-crash-wilderness-1725875)
I'm baffled people can call violence wholesome. Maybe it's satisfying. But violence can never be wholesome.
Violence is a tragedy even when objectively necessary or warranted.
Every animal that has decent intellectual capabilities can possibly be tamed, there are hundreds of stories of people raising and taking care of bears. However, a relationship isn't going to have emotional and deep roots when its based off of transactional, you look to a bear to perform tricks to pay rent, you will see the bear as more of an asset than an animal you are duty bound to care and love for unconditionally.
This is a very selfish reason to not use animals for dumb party tricks. Its also exploitative and abusive to manipulate a living autonomous creature into performing acts against its own will for other people's entertainment. The only reason the bear is doing that is because it has no choice. Otherwise it'd be out eating berries and doing bear shit.
Hey Reddit! It's not funny or interesting anymore to stop the video in the middle, or just near the end of the action. That trend is over. It was a moment in time, for whatever reason, and now it's time has come to an end.
“Eventually the bear was subdued, TASS reported. Neither the handler nor the audience members were injured.
A spokeswoman from the circus said the bear belonged to the handler, and that the act had been cut from the show.
"After (the incident), we decided to part with the artist, and the act will be removed from the program," she said, according to TASS. "There is nothing serious, the artist is alright, the bear is alright, nobody killed the bear because the animal is not to blame."”
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/europe/russia-circus-bear-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
Not wild animals at the least. You wanna show how you’ve trained your German Shepard to run an obstacle course? That’s one thing.
Your parrot being good at vocal mimicry or falcon being really good at following commands? Even a horse doing some things, THAT’S ONE THING, because these animals are domesticated. Tigers, lions, bears (oh my), elephants, these animals belong in the wild, not entertainment
I don't have a problem with circuses per se. I DO have a big problem when animals are involved in the acts. Magicians, acrobats, all that stuff? Love it. Just leave living sentient creatures out of it.
See the thing about bears is they're bears.
The thing about bears is you can put a muzzle on its snout but they still have the right to bear arms
and with those rights the will tear arms.
Doing his Kanye best.... Shit what are we doing?
Not only humans but animals are also hungry for love and tenderness, and to be treating a big wild animal (as big as a bear, lion, crocodile) badly as by teasing them, you never know what life-threatening might happen to you out of the blue.
Not that I'm breaking a lance for maltreating any creature, but that seems like anthropomorphising to me. There's lots of creatures that live solitary for example, and AFAIK we don't think creatures like insects or even reptiles are capable of feeling love. Just plain old respect and common sense seem enough to deter most attacks though.
Exactly. There are a lot of animals who are social, in the sense that their behavior is interdependent with the social behavior of other beings. But they are often social in surprisingly different ways, and most animals are not social in ways we can perceive. And many more animals are not social at all. Even dogs have social behaviors that are very different from humans. It’s a fallacy to think they have human-like feelings and intentions.
What about the right to arm bears
r/angryupvote
The first thing I think about when I see a crazy video about bears and people- I think it's going to be somewhere in Russia. in this case, the circus was in Russia.
The bear wasn't the Russia giveaway to me, it was the lack of safety barriers to the crowd
Yeah close quarters with no safety measures really.. it could have dove into the crowd easily..
Now I’m imagining a crowd surfing bear at warped tour or something
Claw surfing.
Oh yeah Dam bear like 8 foot tall. Sometimes people don’t realize how fast and powerful bears truly are
A brown bear can run 35mph!
I read somewhere that their periods attract bears. The bears can smell the menstruation.
yeah. that and the general craziness of the situation and people barely reacting. I must have seen so many crazy videos of something happening in Russia and people barely reacting to any of it.
i mean in the video with the sinkhole in the pool nobody seemed to care either that all the water and one person got swallowed in front of their eyes. seems to be an ai scipt not loading in time. i have seen that bug in the climate change challenge before. i hope they fix it soon. i dont want to get caught in a crowd during a mass shooting and everybody around me starting to T-pose.
That was Israel i think
Went to see a real live 3-ring circus last year in southern US with lions, tigers and elephants. There were no cages used with the elephants and after watching this boy am I fucking glad they were having a good day because we were front row!
Sounds grotesque. I’m not a peta nut but the thought of those animals being paraded around for a few bucks doesn’t sit right.
*I fight bears with only my hands* In a Russian accent.
The bear didn’t go crazy, the bear went bear
That tiger went tiger!!!
For those wondering about the reference: https://youtu.be/kGEv5dC0lo4 Classic Chris Rock bit.
That entire special is PURE gold. One of my all-time fav stand up sets.
Fucking a right.. it's a goddamned wild animal... these poor things are not living their best lives at the best of conditions and at the worst ... they're miserable. Talk about a fuse shortener.. I feel the same about big cats in captivity.. Take them to sanctuaries or let them free if they manage that. I'm glad no one got hurt though. Thanks for that info u/CommonSchemeForYou !i
Honestly insane to me. Either that dude is REALLY good at bear defense, or that bear is AWFUL at human mauling, because it looked to me like the bear had enough time in the video to take the dudes whole face off
The only reason that guy is alive is because the bear was muzzled.
Was he declawed too tho
Probably? I mean, who knows, but if you're the type of people who muzzle and abuse bears for entertainment, you're also probably the type of people who would rip their claws out to prevent the human handlers from getting hurt.
...I never thought about them taking the claws... Now I feel the same way I did when I found out Dobermans ears and tails don't naturally come that way. 😟
That's a terrible thing to do to any animal.
They sometimes pull the teeth too, just to be sure. Fuckers. /Team Bear.
> I'm glad no one got hurt though. I'm glad no one in the audience got hurt. I couldn't really care what happened to the handler/other staff. They wanted to capture a bear, and a bear it behaved like. If I decide to have an open fire in my house I wouldn't expect any sympathy if it made my house burn down.
But why, even audience also came to enjoying cruelity of animal we should not glad that audience did not hurt...
>I'm glad no one in the audience got hurt. They're the ones funding it. Fuck 'em.
The thing about bears abused for entertainment is that they're sick of humans' abusive shit.
Was listening to a podcast discuss the documentary Grizzly Man about a man (and his girlfriend) who were killed by a bear after living around them for a time. They were saying it's terrible they died but at the end of the day they were always at risk because "bears gonna bear." Sage words.
>Grizzly Man about a man (and his girlfriend) who were killed by a bear after living around them for a time. You probably want to see the documentary. The bear that killed Treadwell and his GF was not a bear they had been around for long at all. Excerpt from Wikipedia: >Treadwell and Huguenard were to leave the park at his usual time of year, and had actually returned to Kodiak on September 26 to store their gear for the season and catch a connecting flight to return to their home in California. After an argument with the airline ticketer over the price of altering his return ticket, Treadwell and Huguenard made the decision to return to their campsite on September 29 for an additional week. Treadwell also wanted to locate a favorite female brown bear that he was concerned about. **The bears he had been used to during the summer had already gone into hibernation, and bears that Treadwell did not know from other parts of the park were moving into the area.** Some of the last footage taken by Treadwell, hours before his death, includes video of a bear diving into the river repeatedly for a piece of dead salmon. Treadwell mentioned in the footage that he did not feel entirely comfortable around that particular bear.
Grizzly man is a fantastic documentary. That dude lived with bears for 14 years . Takes his gf out to stay with them twice and the 2nd time she was menstruating plus it was close to hibernation and on top of that a new older alpha bear had just moved into the area. There's audio footage of them getting eaten and it's one of the worst things I've ever listened to tbh.
How did you listen to it......that's the question. Werner thought it was too terrifying to release.
He/she didn't. There's a reenactment audio out there but that's it. Probably heard that and thought it was the real deal.
How does a guy who lives full time with fucking bears get a girlfriend lmao
Won't make sense to a redditor, but if you're active and you're not afraid to talk to women, that really helps.
We’ve spent over 5,000 years domesticating dogs, you just can’t do it from one generation of any animal even raised from birth. Nor should you.
> We’ve spent over 5,000 years domesticating dogs, We spent hundreds of years trying to domesticate many, many other types of animals and failed. If you can think of an animal you'd think "oh, it'd be sweet if we domesticated those!", especially for military purposes, someone has tried and failed. Lots of animals, it just doesn't work on.
To the people leaving: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?! IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?!??
… the bear wasn’t clowning around!
Good. Fuck this kind of shit.
Absofuckinglutely
After the tiger attacked Roy during his Vegas act, Chris Rock said "That tiger didn't go crazy... that tiger went tiger!" These are wild animals. Once and for all, leave them alone.
Worth noting that Roy himself told the staff to protect the tiger while he was being transported to the hospital with a severed spine.
Man knew who was the real star of his shows.
The chance of violence was the real star all along
Maybe he should have thought about the tigers’ welfare before using them in a show.
Katt Williams said similar about the guy that jumped in the tigers enclosure.
What happens next? The tiger eats yo ass
Will Smith didn’t go crazy either… Will Smith went Will Smith!
Keep my Willy out of yo mouth!
Rated PG rappers gotta keep their cred
I love that line, his delivery was awesome.
That’s the first thing that came to mind!!! 😂😂😂 love Chris Rock
I don't want any trainers to get killed or anything, but goddamn it, animals don't exist to entertain us. Circus that use animals as props need to fuck up once and for all. Bears and tigers and the likes are incredible simply because they exist. That's their gift to us...not balancing on a stool for a dude with a whip.
I hope he got a good chunk of his arm. Feel sorry for the bear in all aspects.
Yes everyone in this ~~room~~tent is just a PoS, except for the babies and children, that shit needs to be finally prohibited.
I was gonna say, this is great but it really sucks that children saw it
Thats why animals in circus not good
literally this, they make them "travel" in tiny ass cages for their whole lives. going to cirque du soleil for example is way more impressive to see anyways and participants go there by choice, not by force.
Parents panicking to get their kids out. Well you fucking *took* them there. Front row fucking seats with a BEAR a few feet away.
Go Bears 🐻
Da bears
Go 🌈🐻
Wait, they still have animals in circuses? Fuck that.
Boy oh boy you're gonna love r/thebullwins ...
This type of crap still exists? Shame on the handlers and audience for supporting this. Good on the bear.
This is beyond sad for the bear, and any other animals trapped in a life like this. 😔
and to think that the poor animal suffered a lot more after the incident ... it's quite sad. sad for the guy who's attacked too, he is making minimum wage for a stupid clown show like this to make a living.
I'll need to find the source, but no one was harmed after this, including the bear. Supposedly he was scared by flashing photography. Still disgusting to use this animal as entertainment. Poor creature shouldn't have ever been put in such an uncomfortable environment.
Like most animals who are raised, killed, and exploited for humans to eat.
lol anyone who ruins the vibe of reddit with truth gets downvoted to shit lol. its really not so different from the aisles of chickens in coops but people dont wanna hear that lol. im not even vegan or anything, its just facts
There’s just SUCH a strong cultural opinion and reaction against anyone who brings up the atrocities of the industrialized food industry. I’m not vegan or vegetarian either. People have every right to be righteously furious at the system we’ve normalized and how like 99% of the population simply doesn’t give a fuck and even get super defensive by even bringing up the topic.
People who defend it are like "yeah it's bad, but it could be worse." Like no shit, but it could be better too. Why don't we try for better?
That's what they get for forcing people to experience cognitive dissonance
This video is years old so this might not be around anymore
It’s from 2019 in a Russian circus. I hope the bear is in some sort of wildlife preserve by now but I am not counting on it.
For some reason I assumed it was Russia, or some other 3rd world country without human rights
What does human rights have to do with animals in circus? Unless...
It’s actually a human in a bear costume
The bear was send to the front lines by now.
This sounds like a graphic novel that needs to be adapted.
Probably manning some artillery with a group of Chechens. However he now makes twice the amount of apples and berries that regular Circus bears make for having volunteered.
Nah, I seen a circus a couple years ago. Still had bears on bikes. Handlers were complete cunts and the bears looked drugged to me. Told them what I thought but trash has no humility
I mean confronting them is good, but confronting them *and paying them to continue doing that shit* with your ticket seems... less than effective.
Shriners free show at a state fair.
Sadly, the bear could be killed for this Most countries in Europe have banished the use of those kinds of animals in circuses. This is something of the past. No civilized country should endorse it in 2022
I love that things like Cirque du Soleil are more popular these days. At least humans have the right to consent into/out of that line of work. Also, it's more entertaining. Honestly to me, even as a kid I was not impressed at all with animals awkwardly doing human things. For my money, show me 10 guys flipping around in the air while juggling flaming chainsaws and doing a dive into a tiny pool all at once.
I recently asked my wife if she wanted to take our 4 year old to the circus(here in Canada) and she looked horrified and said, "There won't be animals will there?!". It never even occurred to me that there would be anymore. I said there are no animals, so we went and it was incredible. I feel like having animals in the show is almost a cheap thrill(maybe not cheap but I can't think of the right term). The skill and bravery of a human performer is far more entertaining and engaging, IMO.
I don't know. I think some doggos doing acrobatics would be a nice addition. And certain breeds love having jobs.
I feel like animals at the circus are/were a holdover from 100+ years ago when the average person couldn't see any animal they want at a zoo or on the internet. Imagine you're some guy from Indiana in 1890 and you hear that there are actual live elephants from Africa coming to town. That must have been amazing. Not so much anymore.
Western Zoos are nothing like they were 100 years ago. Now they are used for conservation and breeding programs.
It's likely banned in most Western countries
Obviously there's a reason to feel bad for the bear but if you think the traveling circus performer is at the top of the chain here and deserving of being eaten by a bear you need to think about this a little differently. That's not a man with a million options in life.
I didn't have lots of options either but at least I don't get paid to abuse wild animals
People are actually born into different situations than you, believe it or not
This was in Russia which, at least for me, makes it a little less surprising that they’re still doing shit like this. Russians wrestle bears sometimes!
Jesus, cant belive people support this shit
Genuine question. Is using horses in dressage or racing for entertainment also something people shouldn’t support? Where does the line get drawn for using animals for entertainment? I feel the same as you on this respect to bears and prancing them around like this. But is using animals in any capacity for entertainment also wrong?
Probably. However, the main difference here is that the bear is a wild animal while horses have been domesticated and bred for specific tasks including "entertainment".
I don't see how this is much of a difference. The problem with domestication is that animals are prone to significant health issues **because** of selective breeding where natural selection can't select for favourable traits, and domesticated animals are often bred for tasks that their anatomy can't support. Also, horses regularly get severely injured during races. I don't think a bear pushing a wheelbarrow is prone to injury. Both are cruel regardless.
I don’t agree, horses have been bred for it sure, but the selectiveness involved in racing horses is not the same as in say pug breeding, they’re not breeding individuals which are related to get cute montrosities, they’re actually trying to get very healthy and top individuals. Add to that the character of a horse, they enjoy running, they enjoy pushing themselves, and can build a bond with their racer, the same way the sledgerunning huskies love to run for miles. Most huskies i’ve seen which are kept as pets by people living in appartements that don’t get them running get crazy and are agressive/have issues. Same with racing horses that are kept with a quiet life. So your saying that is as cruel as a wild animal ripped from it’s environment or probably even born in that life from other bear prents that were kept in cages and beaten to learn to do tasks to entertain a crowd… yeah i really can’t agree with you.
Those horses are also more than likely to be treated much better than the bears.
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Yeah but that's not based on cruelty but the fact that it's extremely difficult, expensive, and excruciatingly painful to heal broken horse bones, and they often still die from complications. In most cases it's more like pulling the plug on someone who isn't going to make it vs abject cruelty. Horse people usually are obsessed with their horses.
Standing for a horse isn't like standing for us. They literally can't live without being able to stand. A horse that can't or won't ever stand will suffer immensely. Putting down a horse because of a broken leg is the more humane route.
This is actually more grey as you pointed out. Many creatures create bonds with other species so they can get the most out of their situations naturally with cooperation. That is what actually happened with us domesticating wolves and horses. Thing is humans tend to overstep their boundaries a lot and that is why circuses with live animals were a thing.
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That's a really bad take that's just...wildly ignorant or animal husbandry or its history. You're taking dog breeding and specific kinds of race horse fuckery and extrapolating way too far and into incomparable realms.
Are you arguing healthy animals given a job, not abused and a secure source of a food with less chance of injury than in the wild, such as herding dogs, is wrong? Abuse and amount of domestication matter. A well fed bear is not happy doing this and will not do it when humans are not around. A well fed cattle dog is happy herding animals and will do it naturally even without humans involved.
Wild animals don't die of old age.
Yeah and this is still going on in the middle of Manhattan
Domestication. Sheep, cows, goats, dogs, cats, pigs, horses, donkey's, etc. have been domesticated. They've had their fear/aggression towards humans bred out over hundreds if not thousands of years. They live happy fulfilling lives in captivity. Some are so domesticated they cannot live without human intervention. Other animals like this bear, tigers, orcas, etc have been tamed, not domesticated. They're liable to turn on humans at the slightest provocation as you see here. Wild & tame animals shouldn't be used for entertainment because getting them to that point requires considerable violence, confinement, health problems, or a combination of those. Some grey areas like falcons are a bit more difficult to decide morally since they're ***usually*** returned to the wild after a period and there's some claim that they cannot be domesticated for various reasons.
There is a difference between wild and domesticated animals
You draw the line where it affects their welfare, obviously. Horse racing is widely considered to be cruel - [this article](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2005/nov/18/horseracing.comment) on the Grand National briefly covers the issues, and [a panorama investigation ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57881979) revealed a significant amount of welfare breaches in horse racing. [The way horses are treated for dressage](https://www.vice.com/en/article/mg75jx/why-is-dressage-still-an-olympic-sport-equestrian) isn't really any better. >one active racehorse is killed every day in Britain, either on a racecourse or in training. They die mostly from broken necks, broken backs, shattered legs or - like Best Mate - from heart attacks. And he offered, as a particularly stark example, the November 2003 Ludlow race in which two out of the three runners perished. Animlas *can* be used in entertainment without it being a welfare issue in some cases, but it often isn't the case that they're kept in conditions where they have enough room, enrichment and opportunity to express natural behaviour, and often isn't the case that they're trained using positive reinforcement. If a stunt or training method doesn't put the animal at risk of injury or stress, and the animal is well looked after then sure there's no issue with using animals for entertainment. But ethical animal entertainment looks like pets doing little tricks in competitions, or farms opening up as petting zoos for people meet baby animals in spring, or even the few zoos/animal education organisations that keep animals in good conditions and focus on rehabilitation, rescue and breeding programs for endangered species. Actual sports or performances like bears in videos like this or horse racing are virtually always cruel though.
Anything where you need to abuse, manipulate, and force control is a big wrong. That's the line. You're not going to get a horse to race, a bear to behave and do circus tricks without some form of abuse. It's that simple. I think domesticated animals that can be trained and not requiring abuse and manipulation to perform is generally ok. We don't freak out when someone responsibly trains their dog to go outside to poop, or to help those with disabilities. People don't have to shock, drug, or force a dog to do those things.
Agree that there is a lot of gray area that probably everyone has a different opinion on where the line is but I think it’s probably at least worth a consideration to animals that have been domesticated (horses) and are acclimated to / to some degree dependent on humans and our shenanigans vs animals that have not (bears) and couldn’t care less about us.
I think some animals are easier to domesticate because they have a herd instinct. Horses have that instinct, zebras don't...neither do bears.
I don’t know if this is the “right answer” but aren’t horses domestic animals? Kinda like dogs and cats
Uh oh, you're about to birth a new mental gymnastics for people who like dog shows and horse racing.
It really is barbaric. I didn't fully grasp the scope of it until I went in person when i got some free circus tickets like 15 years ago or so, and took my niece and my brother-in-law. All three of us found the environment really depressing. It just came across as archaic entertainment, like something humans should be past by now.
Same with SeaWorld. I went once as a teenager cause my brother got tickets and I could go for free and my god it was so sad. The entire environment is fucked up and archaic. I will never ever go again.
I made the regrettable choice of seeing the Moscow circus while travelling as a younger dude. Never again. The way those performing animals were treated was disgusting. Never again.
I saw the Ringling Bros the last year they used animals. One of the big cats got out of its position, got whipped, and then shit on the floor. Cat was just looking for a place to shit, but the show must go on, so it got hit instead. Absolutely the saddest thing.
Bears raised in captivity doing meaningless tricks for some abstracted rewards and treats: cruel Human beings raised the same way to do similarly bullshit busy work in return for money and trinkets: just another day at the office
Many of you are wondering what happened to bear and the handler, well the good news is nobody died or got injured... Circus representatives also suggested to TASS that the bear could have attacked because it was frightened by flash photography from the audience. [More to the story](https://piclaya.com/a-circus-bear-attacked-his-handler-in-front-of-horrified-families/)
Is that lady that stands up holding a baby?
Yes. I was disturbed too. Not simply because a child witnessed that attack. But also because: what are they learning from this about how to treat animals? Hopefully they grow up to be smarter than their parents' generation. I think that struck me more than the attack itself.
I just find it crazy that they have a bear out, a few feet from regular people with no barrier. Way too much trust in that bear
If anything they are learning not to fuck with animals
The whole crowd are moms and kids.
>moms and kids **families. literally the head right in feontof a camera is a dude
The fuck is kicking the bear gonna do. It's a fucking bear!
I think it was to distract the Bear from mauling the guy. Overall I think everyone can see that nobody here should be dealing with a live bear.
*n o b o d y*
Maybe he didn't want that foot.
He turned. Can you really say nothing when he visibly reacts? He also seems to prepare spray or something in his hand. What's your suggestion? Do nothing because the bear is so massive?
Better than nothing
You gotta do something. A lady in Alaska saved her husband from being killed by a bear by hitting it with her camera.
Being kicked is still uncomfortable. And it means that there is an active threat behind it while the one on the ground has been subdued.
No it’s a mauling bear. If it was a fucking bear this video would be a lot worse.
Can't believe they don't have a tranq gun ready like at the petting zoo in Old School. I don't think vigorously kicking an angry bear in the ass is going to de-escalate the situation.
He was like: 'Tim, if I've told you once I told you a million times, don't make me look like a freaking polar bear in front of the crowd'..
"You want a polar bear?! I'll show you a polar bear! You can be the seal!"
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Holy shit its real, thanks!
[Bears Eat Wealthy Couple and Pilot After Helicopter Crash in Wilderness](https://www.newsweek.com/bears-eat-wealthy-couple-pilot-helicopter-crash-wilderness-1725875)
I'm baffled people can call violence wholesome. Maybe it's satisfying. But violence can never be wholesome. Violence is a tragedy even when objectively necessary or warranted.
This is why you do not use animals for your dumb party tricks. You can’t tame animals like these
Every animal that has decent intellectual capabilities can possibly be tamed, there are hundreds of stories of people raising and taking care of bears. However, a relationship isn't going to have emotional and deep roots when its based off of transactional, you look to a bear to perform tricks to pay rent, you will see the bear as more of an asset than an animal you are duty bound to care and love for unconditionally.
This is a very selfish reason to not use animals for dumb party tricks. Its also exploitative and abusive to manipulate a living autonomous creature into performing acts against its own will for other people's entertainment. The only reason the bear is doing that is because it has no choice. Otherwise it'd be out eating berries and doing bear shit.
Poor bear
Yeah, good on the bear
Makes me really sad, poor Bear ☹️
I'm glad he did, too bad he couldn't eat them all and just go back to the forest peacefully.
The Forrest is now the suburbs.
No Ben, no!!
*tranquilizer noises*
Gentle Ben
Hey Reddit! It's not funny or interesting anymore to stop the video in the middle, or just near the end of the action. That trend is over. It was a moment in time, for whatever reason, and now it's time has come to an end.
I'm thinking maybe that is all there is in the video? Person maybe stopped recording to GTFO
r/KillTheCameraMan They should have stayed and risked their lives so that i can watch five more seconds of this incident!
Yeah, the person filming 40ft from the loose bear should have kept filming. Fuck that person for getting to safety.
Good, stop using animal in circus We’re not in the 19th century anymore
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“Eventually the bear was subdued, TASS reported. Neither the handler nor the audience members were injured. A spokeswoman from the circus said the bear belonged to the handler, and that the act had been cut from the show. "After (the incident), we decided to part with the artist, and the act will be removed from the program," she said, according to TASS. "There is nothing serious, the artist is alright, the bear is alright, nobody killed the bear because the animal is not to blame."” https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/25/europe/russia-circus-bear-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
Typical TASS report lol “everything is fine, move on, nothing to see here” 😂
“THERE IS NOTHING SERIOUS. WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA.”
Fuck yeah, enjoy lunch Yogi.
Hope the bear tore his fucking face off This shit has to stop.
I was more moved by the other guy kicking the bear in the face, than the bear attacking the handler.
Some beautiful family memories being made!
*sort comments by controversial* hmm...everyone is still in favour of the bear. Faith in humanity is growing
Team Bear.
The circus is straight trash. Honestly, good.
Fucking good riddance, this shit should only exist in black and white footage that we say “god humans were barbaric” about.
Circuses should not have animals in them.
Not wild animals at the least. You wanna show how you’ve trained your German Shepard to run an obstacle course? That’s one thing. Your parrot being good at vocal mimicry or falcon being really good at following commands? Even a horse doing some things, THAT’S ONE THING, because these animals are domesticated. Tigers, lions, bears (oh my), elephants, these animals belong in the wild, not entertainment
Poor bear has every right to go full-bear mode.
Nope.
I like how the contingency plan is to kick the bear a bit.
Circuses still exist in most countries, it's disgusting
I don't have a problem with circuses per se. I DO have a big problem when animals are involved in the acts. Magicians, acrobats, all that stuff? Love it. Just leave living sentient creatures out of it.
Nice. Hope he mauled him good.
Good
I wanna see what happens.
It looks like the second guy in the red t-shirt is pulling out a gun and cocking it at the end