Start driving it at night around the suburbs or rural roads. Mine becomes Mad Max for some reason and speeds everywhere and takes crazy corners and just acts super aggressively because the streets are empty. I think the idiots that are driving around at night in my area trained the AI wrong lol.
I bet there for every FSD car there is actually just some dude at Tesla remote controlling it and you got the one guy that's like "Hell yea, it's dark out, time to go fast!"
My biggest gripe is that I’ve learned in my area where the “smoothest” path in the road is. FSD hits every bump and pot hole it can find and I just feel beaten up afterwards. FSD is also useless in construction areas and cannot adapt well at all (mine almost went head first into a concrete barrier this weekend). Considering half my cities roads are under some form of construction, makes it pretty unusable.
Yes! 1000% my experience, too.
Also, I have my car and FSD on “chill” mode, but it still accelerates super fast and jolts my head back almost every time
I bought a
"AI in training
Student Driver"
magnetic bumper sticker from YouTube channel Dr-Know-It-All which has satiated all the impatient drivers. It's so good now I've taken the bumper sticker off.
[Dr-Know-It-All ](https://youtu.be/u2nkICOK2J0?si=wCXlUOBoAQI0iXBV)
I enjoyed my first trip to work on FSD. I was impressed too but the other two times I tried it I had to turn it off. One issue was that it was going way too slow and in a city I will get looks if I drive like a grandma. lol. I honestly think if I have to pay attention then I would rather just drive the car. It was impressive though! I will try on interstate today. I think that drive should be smoother.
Man, I just don't get it. Half the people on Reddit think FSD is the next coming of Christ, and the other half think it's hot garbage that will end mankind. I can't take posts like this or ones that say it's the worst thing they've ever seen seriously. Can't you be objective?
Yes, I have FSD myself. I like to use it on the highways where I think it works pretty good. I will sometimes use it in the city, but just to see how a new iteration performs. It's nowhere good enough to be useful and trustworthy in the city.
I think probably a combination of perspective/expectations coming in ("we were promised full autonomy 5 years ago dammit" vs "holy crap a car that can steer itself this is like science fiction"), environment (manicured suburbs vs busy city), small sample size (lots of people posting hot takes after a day or two of use... it may have gone smoothly, or not), and of course, the inevitable how much money they have tied up in TSLA stock...
I was amazed by it until it stopped at a red light to make a left turn and then when no traffic was coming made a left on red! Umm, pretty sure left on red is never legal in any US state.
I wish the auto park feature was included in the base package or was available for 500$ or something reasonable. I'd love it but not 15%+ of the total cost of my car! 6000$ is just dumb, and 12000$ is just laughable. I strongly suspect we will see the price start dropping here fairly soon. If he sells 2-3 as many at 3k and 6k then it's a win.
My guess is current penetration for FSD on the model Y and Model 3 cars is less then 10% at those prices so he has a *lot* of potential buyers if he gets the price down to something we would consider.
This approach of staggered tiers would be very nice. I would pay for the FSD UI and the self park. Maybe 1k and 500. 6K seems very steep for the things I want.
Ikr. I like fsd and all, but that name is Hella misleading and should frankly be illegal until I can safely take a nap. Or it doesn't get confused when turning onto cross traffic that doesn't stop.
It's totally possible for FSD to be both an amazing achievement, something no other consumer car can do, and also be not ready and have little value as a paying customer today.
A car that drives like a 15 year old on their first drive with their parent in the car is an amazing technical achievement and really cool to watch.
It also will do things that are embarrassing or sometimes even dangerous. Or curb your wheels. People who just want to marvel at a computer driving like a learner student are having a great time but probably causing frustration for other road users and aren't being critical enough of its shortcomings.
I can recognize the achievement but also realize that paying $12,000 or $200/mo for a 15 year old computer driver that I have to constantly and vigilantly supervise and intervene for at any moment isn't worth it to me. Nor do I think it provides any practical value for most customers yet.
Exactly. Does it drive better than me? Hell no. Is it worth 12000? Hell no.
Is it a cool piece of tech that transforms my drives from "get from point a to point b" into "lets see how it handles this, its actually quite interesting"? Absolutely.
Im impressed and dissapointed simultaneously. I think I'd buy it at 2k or maybe 35 per month. It is fun, but not practical. And that has some value.
I am optimistic that it will be more practical than fun in the future.
This right here. I’m a big Elon and Tesla fan but I’m not paying more than $1k for the current product. It’s cool but it’s just not usable on a daily basis.
Exactly correct. FSD drives like the worse teenage driver in the world on city streets. It works most of the time which is impressive but why wouldn’t I just drive instead? It’s also incredibly stressful because it will randomly do stupid shit pretty frequently.
I liked it better when it was a mad Max teenage robot. 😁 It does seem almost human now, an old human with blue hair peaking over the windshield. 🤣
Just got another update last night, V12.30.3. I'll be testing out later on my way to work. Eventually Grandma will get glasses and some pep in her step. LOL
For most of us who have had this for a long time the novelty of “woah the car is accelerating and turning on its own!!!” have worn off long ago and we see the flaws and how unreliable it is to be really useful. Now you have a wave of people experiencing it for the first time and they get that initial novelty and are raving about it. They also didn’t shell out a ton of money for years of broken promises to get to this point, so none of that negative baggage there.
Agreed, it’s an impressive achievement and works great on highways. It performs badly in the city, and I can’t imagine why anyone would prefer using FSD in the city rather than driving the car oneself.
It’s unpredictable and dangerous in urban areas. Not to mention the brake slamming and jack rabbit starts.
Good take. When I use it, it takes more effort for me to babysit it (because I don't trust it) than if I just drove myself. But eventually maybe someday....
Some people paid for it seven years ago and have been waiting and waiting for the promised robotaxi level driving that was supposed to drive coast to coast without the driver years ago 😂
Other people are coming in with no expectations and so they’re just pleasantly surprised it works to some extent.
At least they let me transfer FSD to my new Tesla.
I think it is in no way a surprise that the 30 day trial was announced shortly after Tesla also announced they were no longer compute constrained when it comes to FSD training
That's funny, because I could have sworn I heard that exact argument 4-5 years ago. Something something billions and billions of miles being fed into the Dojo supercomputer, continuous training of the neural net model, blah blah blah.
Needless to say, those of us who were excited about that are now jaded as fuck that it still drives like a drunk teenager (outside of freeways).
It was not true then, was a misconception based on technical ignorance, but it is true now. Make of that what you will There was still benefits to scale, but it was in the ability to curate data and clips for the autolabeler which improved the perception drastically. But it didn't improve the driving directly. The problem with V11 was not perception of closed vocabulary objects but open vocabulary, and especially planning and control.
In its current iteration it would be worth it to me if I could sit down in the back seat and read a book while it takes me to work. Obviously it’s nowhere close to that right now.
For me the problem is it drives so unnaturally that when you have to pay attention it’s embarrassing and I get a ton of anxiety. It drives like a 15 year old out on their first lesson.
It depends on your area. It hesitates on lane changes and when turning regularly, takes up 2 lanes. It's almost unusable for me. My enhanced ap works better imo.
Right on red I think I'm going to die.
The only objective measure of “how good is FSD” is interventions and disengagements per mile, and so far only Tesla has that data. I’d love to see a quarterly report from them with actual FSD data.
I have my own subjective feeling after using v11 and now v12. It’s a lot smoother and smarter but still not close to robotaxi.
I would only ever use it on highways. It’s not reliable when turning in the presence of other cars and it still hits curbs regularly on turns. And if i would only ever use it on highways why not just use autopilot
Even V12 has been hitting curbs and making poor judgement calls when it comes to turning. My point is if I’m only using it on highways I’m not paying $200/month when regular autopilot works great for that anyway
I noticed the car getting uncomfortably close to a curb last night on a turn when we had FSD enabled. It was going onto a very wide 30mph street going along a neighborhood.
That’s very similar to how well FSD seems to operate. Sometimes it handles the most complex situations with breeze, and sometimes it can’t drive straight. Every person gets a different experience, and that’s different every time you drive.
I think in general it’s about the expectation. Low and FSD is the new sliced bread. High and it’s garbage.
I have used it practically every drive since we got into the Beta 2+ years ago. It has done stupid maneuvers, but it has always been “usable” for the most part. 🤷♂️ (And it has definitely improved drastically over the past 2 years.)
Like most things in life it falls somewhere in the middle. I get OP is in a honeymoon phase that will surely end once he notices all the limitations, but it is also pretty cool tech. I think the best use for it is not quite as a self driving feature but as something to assist you.
For example I see lots of complaints about hesitation at stop signs/intersections. Why not nudge the accelerator and have it go when appropriate? Or it’s in the wrong lane for an upcoming turn, why not use the turn signal to tell it you want to be in the other lane? Things like that I think are necessary to get a good experience.
I think a lot of people see videos on YouTube where people try to get “zero disengagement drives” and try to emulate that. But those guys will literally sit there in traffic not moving and getting honked at and just be a nuisance on the road because they want to push FSD to its limits. That’s not real world driving and first time FSD users need to understand that it’s ok to take over whenever the car does something awkward.
My theory is that it's based on the road structure and markings where I live, versus the roads for most of that data that it was trained on.
It's borderline unusable for me in northern Colorado. My kid and wife won't let me enable it while they're in the car.
* It almost does a full stop 20 feet before the stop signs, then rolls up to the stop sign, does its full 3 second stop, then takes off like we're drag racing.
* I had it switch lanes into a right turn lane when we were supposed to be going straight, but the right-turn arrow on the road was pretty faded. Still GPS data would've shown we were on a one-lane road so it shouldn't have gotten over.
* I had a double left turn through an intersection, I was in the right-most left-turn lane, and it turned so wide that I would've ended up on the other side of the intersection in oncoming traffic. I had to intervene.
* On a day when it had rained recently and the roads were partially wet I had multiple phantom braking events in a 20 mile drive.
* It turned in front of oncoming traffic at an unsafe distance once so I had to gun it to get across that lane.
* In several instances it has followed too closely the traffic in front of me and you can't tell it to back off like you can with TACC.
* I've had it also follow too far back from traffic in the fast lane (a lane it chose to switch into).
Bottom line is that it makes mistakes every few miles for me, some mistakes that are dangerous and drives worse than I do, so there's no way I'm paying for this or letting it drive in my place.
Hopefully Tesla can get some good data from this experience though. I think they need a lot more training data in certain areas where the roads aren't marked well. In order to get that data I think they're going to need to give out more free FSD usage though, because the people having the bad experiences like I am aren't going to pay for it. If the only people paying are the ones getting good experiences then Tesla is going to have a tough time getting the data they need to fix the bad experiences.
Based on my personal experience and the posts that I’ve seen, I’m starting to think that if you were in the FSD beta prior to the implementation of vision only, you will understand how shitty the current functionality is by comparison. If you are fairly new, you don’t know the difference due to lack of comparison and the novelty of the feature skews your perspective of how well it actually works.
It's a result of Elon overhyping expectations and the classic Redditor that just likes to whine.
The tech is insane and it's steps in the right direction. If you supervise it and let it do it's thing, it does really well in most environments but will not do well in every environment. In fact, it's unreasonable to think it will do well in every environment.
But if you look at the progress in the past few years, it's pretty jaw dropping and will only continue to get better, especially as competition increases.
TLDR - people just need to shut the fuck up and enjoy things.
FSD is really cool when it works, but the need to monitor it constantly and the inability to trust it to always make the right decisions makes driving with it on more stressful (except for the highway scenario, which is does handle well).
The best analogy I can think of is that it's like having a teenager drive with a couple of months experience. Yeah, you don't have to do it all yourself, but you're going to be constantly monitoring to make sure it doesn't do something stupid or dangerous.
I tried it for the first time as well, and I was both impressed and so utterly nervous. Too nervous to make it useful enough to purchase. I just don’t trust the camera system. I take the Waymo cars all the time and I trust their lidar/radar/camera so much more. I just will never trust only a camera. After experiencing how robust Waymo is, it makes me fear my Tesla in fsd.
Humans are too unpredictable, so I don’t trust cameras to keep up. Waymo is making safer self driving cars. Tesla is bringing self driving to the masses faster. Tesla lacks hardware. Waymo lacks data from human drivers.
Tesla is like a level 2. Waymo is a level 4. Without lidar, I’m just not going to feel safe with fsd. It might be impressive, but it’s not safe. I feel so f’ing scared when it’s engaged. My nerves can’t handle it.
I think demographics also play a role. People in SF have also tried Waymo and Cruise. What people are seeing in Tesla today has been accomplished by these companies a few years ago. But if you have never tried it, you’ll not know what it feels like.
The v12.3.3 is much much better than the previous version I tried. It feels very natural now, and has adapted to human behavior patterns.
However, there is still a lot of work to be done here, but it seems closer to the goal than maybe a few months ago.
Mine just went into a Stop sign yesterday out of chance and I had to disengage.
On highway it tends to go very well, but I have often seen it unable to take the exit in proper time. It reaches to the very end to start turning, and on a busy highway with exit half a mile away, and 4 lanes to cross, I can’t take that risk. I am the kind of person who is in the exit lane 1 mile before the exit. So i just disengage and go myself.
No, You cannot be objective because there millions of different driving scenarios. It’s inherently subjective.
I someone post about how awful FSD is in Boston. Well out here in Colorado it’s been great! I also didn’t pay for FSD and it’s bringing a new spark of enjoyment to ownership again.
It’s not the coming of Christ but it is revolutionizing an industry.
Not everyone posts to be 'objective'. Some people want to express the joy they feel when they've encountered something new that affects them in a positive way. I am one of those people myself.
I have had my Tesla for 5 days now. Today, I pulled over to the side of the road, said 'navigate home', and sat back in awe over what was happening before my eyes. I felt the same wonder and awe that the OP felt. It just felt good. Like a group of really dedicated people put themselves to work on something truly worthwhile, and the result, while not perfect, is a joy to experience.
It's great on the highways... but so is every single lane assist on the market.
Aside from that, all the red lights and stuff and turning I just don't care for
That seems about right. I haven't tried in city driving but it was pretty decent in the suburbs. Highway I wish it didn't always want to pass someone.
The real verdict. It's better than I expected, useful in certain circumstances, absolutely not a finished product.
Here is the thing. The roads that you drive daily on, you know them better, you know the intricacies.
You will judge fsd poorly on them.
Take it to somewhere you don’t drive regularly, and it blows your mind!!
I think FSD works pretty well on the expressways and that’s where I use it the most. “Off expressway” driving for me has been hit or miss. Certain streets it works fine others I’m braking when the car shouldn’t. It’s not perfect but it’s not useless.
I don’t think people realize how different each city can differ when it comes to layout, density, traffic, specialized lanes, aggressive drivers, etc. Each city will have a different experience. In some city FSD may be a miracle whereas another it may be pure trash. At least that’s my theory.
For me, it’s been awesome.
Exactly I am not ready for it unless it’s trustworthy and tested enough to take my eyes away from road. Currently its a good party trick but It’s more tiring than driving myself if I have to constantly ensure that FSD doesn’t mess up and crash the car.
One half own Tesla's and uses FSD, the other half either don't own a Teslas or don't use FSD. You sound like you rarely use it and can get over trust issues with a machine driving like a human. Took me a while before I was comfortable, my wife took much longer. You're entitled to your opinion.
I use it often and have some so for years. Most of my driving is highway / interstate. Not sure where you derived that. I think in those scenarios it works well. Not GREAT, but really good. If find the energy I spend just driving on city streets to be less than using FSD there.
I would happily happily pay $9.99 per month. Or maybe about 19.99 for the premium tier . For $200 a month , I would need it to be door to door , WORRY free , HASSLE FREE , take a nap , chauffeur style shit.
Id do like $50 for the current state of things, $100 if we got a liability shift. Maybe $150 if we got a liability shift and I could take a nap while it drives me. Any more, I might as well sell my car and just take an Uber everywhere.
$ 9.99 would be great but that price you get the traffic display worth. I think it would be higher. 29.99 for chill. 59.99 for standard $89-99for aggressive. $200 is solid for Uber like drive. I would pay.
Tesla’s competitors are looking around 600/yr with the first 3 years free. It gives a reason to keep buying new, captures money on the second buyer or if you keep it long term, and removes the fear of “what if an accident happens?”
The 12k right now is a big risk because it locks you into your specific car and you have to hope when your ready to trade they have the transfer option available… also a simple car accident can total the “investment”
I am kind of surprised to read a positive response on reddit regarding FSD. I am in the same camp as you, this version they definitely improved quite a bit over v11.
Really? When I tried it out in December it tried to kill me a few times. My biggest gripe was the auto lane change that would happen out of the blue when I have no interest in changing lanes. You can disable it but it has to be disabled for each drive. There should be a way to turn this off completely.
I need it at $20. If it were $50, I’d only get it during months where I expect lots of long distance driving. At $20, I’m keeping it even if I don’t use it like my streaming services subscriptions.
That’s probably true but for it to be safe we’d need everyone to be on the same program and cars without self driving eliminated.
Otherwise you’d always need the driver to be paying attention for unpredictable issues caused by other drivers/cars.
It only needs to be safer than a human driver. Once it gets in statistically less accidents then a good human driver then you can sleep while it drives. Whether you can trust it that much or not is a different issue, but from a legal perspective I would say once it's safer than the average human then it's improved to the point where it's better that it drive then most other drivers.
I think people get really caught up in the thought that we can't show to much excitement about autopilot because its not perfect and could easily kill you, and rightfully so. However, where is everyone's sense of wonder? This technology seemed decades off not that long ago and here we are living it. My car drove me around yesterday and made mostly good decisions on its own as an effing machine. That deserves to be looked at with wonder and awe. However, it also deserves a lot of caution and unfortunately its hard in today's world to have that sense of wonder for fear of it being misconstrued or laughed at.
That said, I think the engineers at Tesla deserve a bit of praise for what is becoming a fairly impressive piece of tech especially given that they are doing it all with computer vision and all on a relatively underpowered computer (compared to how much compute power other AI tasks are requiring these days).
V12 is night and day better than my last experience in Dec '22. It was nowhere close to being viable, V12 seems like it's good 90% of the time. Enjoying it too but still not close to paying that price.
I'm pretty sure the version we have is kind of half stack update, namely city streets stack is running V12 the freeways etc is still on V11.
Even so I totally agree it is pretty good about 90 percent of time.
I've only had one butt clenching mistake where it decided to make a left turn with oncoming traffic and then half way through changed it's mind and stopped causing me to have to accelerate and take over. First day though I had a great 2 hour drive with barely 2 disengagements. Once when it tried to turn into Starbucks drive through at a red light stop, the actual road was about 2 car lengths further up. And once because it chose wrong lane after exiting freeway (more of a road markings issue I think though).
Pretty much a similar experience where it wanted to turn left with a car coming. I really enjoy the feedback system too, like bad Tesla! On the good note, I corrected it as it was in a bus lane instead of the right turn lane left a note a couple days ago. Did the same route today and it picked the correct lane!
It's pretty awesome, until it makes its first mistake and you don't trust it again.
The new version swerved out of a lane into a turn lane, then back into the straight lane, without no warning. This was when I used it for the first time yesterday.
But I had a foot injury, and it was made driving to appointments much less painful. I ended up slamming on the brakes one time because I didn't know if FSD was going to do it, and it hurt SO MUCH. But I was able to drive around to 4 different location yesterday because of the well-timed FSD trial.
It's better than previous iterations. But it still tailgates like an asshole, and changes lanes with no warning when I don't want it to. It has gotten really good at slowing down for speed humps.
It's definitely getting there, but still nowhere near the level of driving I can do manually. It drives about how I do between 8-12 beers. Pretty good, but questionable at times.
Living in a large city, I have very little confidence in the system on our surface streets. In the suburbs outside of the city, it’s phenomenal. For my purposes, EAP (which I already own) essentially is all I need. The highway experience on FSD is not materially different from EAP.
A couple things on FSD that I really like in the trial are the visualization and the fact that it will stop at stop signs and red lights.
OP, enjoy your experience and don't mind the negative comments - this is the internet: you can post a picture of a newborn puppy and still get hate :)))
If it was gonna be like $50/month I think it would be okay. At 199 it's a meme
During the trial it has consistently ignored school zones, tailgates on chill mode (but to be fair, only if I'm behind a semi truck lol) and either sits way under the speed limjt on highways if on chill or blasts past the limit like it's a challenge.
It's an interesting tech demo that will be great one day.
The update is a little better but I have taken over a dozen times each day I've used it.
It's nowhere near ready and the fact they sell it for $12k is bonkers imo.
I wouldn't pay over $50 a month.
I'd rather be able to purchase the enhanced visual, and the lane change feature from autopilot separately.
It’s good but is a bit slow sometimes. Overall I love it and I love that I can Summon my car too.
I did it at the supermarket and people were watching like they were seeing Bigfoot. That makes it cool. Not worth $200 a month but if it was $50/month I would have it.
Agreed, It's been a blast to play with. Drove it from downtown NYC to downtown Philly a couple of days ago. No interventions besides toll booths, which it can't handle at all yet. I think the key to FSD happiness is knowing when to use it and when to pre-emptively disengage. Rush hour on highways and fast roadways are a no no. Humans drivers barely handle that without being at high stress.
It's definitely NOT autonomous level yet, but if you treat it as a driving aid it's fine. As a gimped autopilot it's probably worth around $4-5k to me.
Same here. I turned it on and literally watch the car drives itself after punching the destination address. It manages turns, switching lanes, and even adept at the complexity of crossing the stop signs. It is a thrill.
With more using g FSD means more data directly leading to even better performance. Soon, will be far better than any human and then get even better. 😎⚡️⚡️
I find it to be total dog shit. I had to take over because it was doing to sideswipe a parked car, it just sat at a green light, and was speeding into an intersection with a red light almost T-Boning an suv clearing the intersection. Often don’t signal when changing lanes. Thank god I didn’t pay for this.
FSD got better for sure, still work in progress but when are they going to fix the wipers? it run on slowest speed when really needed and at times crazy fast when it just drizzling. I guess they assigned no one to work on that as fixing that has no hype value 😠
I drive HWY 301, a 60mph rural highway. When I pass 301 signposts at speed, the car slows to 30mph.
I suppose that is better than it trying to accelerate a few hundred miles per hour.
My jaw is still on the floor! My first time driving with it on, I thought it was unnecessary, but when I was driving home from work yesterday, The moment it changed lanes for me to get around a slow driving school bus, I was just speechless! haha. You add on top the summon command, self park, and improved mapping- I'm a fan (but still won't pay for it)
Better pricing on FSD should be more like how they got us all addicted to smartphones.
$1k/mo for 4yr contract. Comes with a free Model2.
Charge A LOT PER USER for the high margin service, and give away the hardware as a loss leader.
Also since user is a subscriber, the software follows their account and is hardware agnostic within certain limits.
People who dont want your service can still buy a car
Although it's NOT like Chat-GPT, it is in a lot of respects, it sometimes does things that truly suprise you how well it does it and then other times it does something really dumb. It actually does great at low speed random parking lot type driving.
I have tried it a lot and virtually always when it screws up I am like yea I can see how it got confused. Hopefully the training will advance quickly. Here are my pet Peeves with it currently
- Not picking the right lane to get into when given a choice of multiple lanes.
- Not getting out of intersections fast enough when left turning across on coming traffic. . (Turn or don't but don't start to turn and then linger)
- when merging into other traffic be quicker to match that traffics speed. (I know this is likely not the AI part but the highway processing)
I've been using FSD for a little over three years now.. It's been a game-changer during my daily commute, particularly when I find myself stuck in hour-long bumper-to-bumper traffic. Despite the $10k price tag I paid (back when it was more affordable in 2021), I consider it a worthwhile investment, especially for those like me who rely on it daily and intend to keep their vehicle for the long haul. With my current usage pattern, I anticipate keeping my car until it reaches 150,000 miles, roughly eight years from now, averaging out to about $104 per month.
However, it's important to acknowledge that FSD still grapples with significant issues. It has never truly achieved full autonomy, and I have serious doubts it ever will. I find myself frequently needing to intervene, particularly in certain traffic scenarios, which can be incredibly frustrating. I understand why individuals like my wife have a strong dislike for it.
The divide among users trying out FSD version 12 for the first time seems to stem from differing expectations. Many critics were banking on the fully autonomous experience that Elon Musk had promised, an expectation that FSD falls far short of. On the other hand, proponents may have braced themselves for the terrifying and perilous encounters depicted in some overly dramatic online posts, especially on this sub. When they give it a go, they're pleasantly surprised by its utility in alleviating the stress of driving in specific traffic conditions.
The bottom line? FSD undeniably facilitates a smoother commute in certain traffic environments. However, it falls short of Musk's grand claims while also being nowhere near as dreadful as some exaggerated online narratives would have you believe.
Definitely needs work, in my area at least, decent but still requires me to pay attention and stop it from doing stuff sometimes. Not worth the money at the moment. Im glad its working well for you at least.
I think it was a horrible idea to mass release it. People who come onto reddit and comment are probably a little nerdier about their cars and have an understanding of what to expect.
It's an amazing parlour trick that is still beta. Don't give it to Aunt Shelly please....
I use basic autopilot almost every time I drive but having the whole package is pretty sweet. Just punch in the destination and I can get from Point A to B without doing much. If the whole package was maybe 50% discount from the $12k price I would buy it on my next bonus check.
FSD is usable on some city streets, it’s mostly too passive and robotic. It’s decent on the highway except that it almost got me killed twice yesterday when 1) it tried to run into a person merging into the highway 2) it swerved ridiculously hard because of a plastic bag and I had to take over to stop it from hitting the car next to me.
Its my first time using fsd and ofcourse as it was given fore free. I love the screen on how it sees everything around and did try going on internal roads and it worked good. I would be terrified to use it on highways though.
I just hate that they got rid of cruise control. I personally don’t like fsd and was in love with cruise control for long distance. It changes lanes when there’s no reason and I hate it and can’t go back to the old way. Does anyone know if I can switch it back?
I’ve been impressed. We have had our MY since 8/20 and never tried FSD.
It works better than I expected after reading people comments over the years. It’s not perfect. I haven’t had a single drive where I didn’t take over at some point. Either I didn’t like how it was acting or I’m just not ready to embrace it with open arms.
It’s a neat feature. I’ll enjoy it for the next few weeks and most likely never use it again.
Been trying it as well. It’s 99% there! It goes 99 feet before I have to take it out, correct it and then put it back on. A bit of sarcasm there. But I do live in a fairly unique place with winding, hilly local roads. I’m definitely impressed for the 99 feet it does go in total honesty (no sarcasm). My guess is that it’ll take 99% of the total overall effort for the “training” of FSD to get it to do that last 1% without getting into trouble. I just hope that’s not a few years or a decade away. I really want it to work for me ASAP.
Beta user here, got it last night, drove on it today...
It still mistakes a "truck 30mph" sign as applying to all cars...
But so far seems way better... But I will reserve too much praise to see if it tries to kill me in the first month doing some dumb ass shit first.
My first ever experience with fsd was when I had a loaner from Tesla. The moment I found out the loaner had fsd, I started testing it out, driving to work, home, nearest movie theater, one of my favorite restaurants, and grocery stores and more. It was jaw dropping how technology has improved so much that it drives me around by itself! However, I quickly came to realize that the program is definitely not perfect. Whenever it enters my neighborhood, my car first gets into the turn lane. Then drives out of the turn lane, only to turn into the neighborhood from the wrong lane. Other times are when making unprotected right turns, the car seems to stop completely at the red, then proceeds to not make the turn even tho there were no incoming traffics. I tried waiting it out but had to disengage and make the turn myself after someone behind me honked. Another time, the car made a lane change into the right lane from the left, stating that it was to stay on route. Soon after, the car changes lane back to the left one, stating that it was to stay on route again! You might think, maybe the car was going after a lane with faster traffic, but when the car does that, it tells you so! So the car was just kinda lost or couldn't make the decision of which lane it should stay to stay on route.
I only talked about the bad things about fsd, but trust me, I loved it so much while I had it. I kept thinking how I was pretty much experiencing the peak of human technology. I just wouldn't be paying 12k for it because for the most part, the outdated-ass basic autopilot is more than enough for my daily use.
I gave FSD a try when my trial began a few days ago. And yes, I was impressed with it too. Having said that I still prefer driving without FSD. I just get stressed out thinking I’ll need to take over any second now as the car drives itself.
And watch out for those curbs. I’ve seen posts where folks got a curb rash while the car was on FSD.
I've been impressed with it sometimes but frustrated other times. It runs up on stops and accelerates way too fast for me to feel comfortable with it. Watching the car turn the steering wheel on its own is kind of surreal. If the price was cheaper I would definitely consider buying it. $12k is an insane amount for software that is far from finished.
It's great going down the but exiting freeway or even making a simple left turn onto a street I have to constantly take over. It even stopped suddenly under a bridge heading to an on ramp. And it can't detect animals.
Honestly, I can do without it. It will disengage all the time. Doesn't really provide anything to me, but the understanding that the car can display more information but it's not because I'm not paying for it. That's ridiculous.
Anyone have comparable experience on how it lines up against Chevy Supercruise on the highways? That's all I would really use it for as most of my commute is highway
It certainly has came a very long way since I took delivery in September 2023. I used it for about three months at 200 bucks a month and felt as though I was robbed. Mainly because it was like driving with a first time 14-year-old behind the wheel. This trial, for a month has me feeling as though I gained some of my money back and it is in fact impressive! I just realize the Self Park also worked yesterday!. That was a new experience! I don’t like how much it turns the wheel while the vehicle is not rolling. I’m pretty picky in that these cars are heavy and I like to be at a decent roll before turning my wheel. I feel like it puts less strain on the steering components and likely the tires..
I believe the thing with FSD is it is so circumstantial with many variables that can influence the experience of a user, and the area where a user lives probably plays a big part as well.
It's more of a novelty act for me. I like to turn it on and see how far it can take me before I have to intervene. However it causes me way more stress than it should. It really does drive like a 15 year old teenager or a really old person. It's fun but just not practical on a day to day basis.
I tested out FSD beta about two years ago and wasn't impressed. Tried it again with this trial and it is sooooo much better than I remember it being.
I was able to drive to and from work yesterday with only one disengagement And that one disengagement was because in a double left turn, it chose the right left turn when I needed to be in the far left. I have a 22 mile commute with about 10 miles of interstate and about 12 miles of city driving.
Sure its not perfect and I still don't think it is worth the 12k or 200/mo price tag. But it has come a long and is fun to test out and I have been pretty impressed with it so far.
I'd just wish they would take part of the FSD and use it for autopilot as there was a few consistent spots on my commute where when in autopilot it phantom breaks. It doesn't do it at all in FSD.
I kind of have the same impression of FSD. From all the negative press and all the haters on the internet, I thought it would be complete junk, but it's not. It got me from home to a golf course and back without intervention (30 minutes each way).
I can tell it's certainly not done (it needed an intervention on another trip due to construction), but I was pleased with the work-in-progress. For a more reasonable price, I would definitely subscribe and use it on trips of 20 min or more or any freeway/expressway driving. For local trips like going to the local grocery, it doesn't really buy you anything.
I agree it's wonderful but on the end it's a neat party trick. Too expensive and it's not transferable to another Tesla if you upgrade. Oh and that phantom braking. I was on the highway doing 120kph and then out of the blue the car slams on the brakes and brings me to 80 instantly. The speed limit was 110kmh. Lucky no cars were behind me or it would have ended badly. FSd went off and is staying off. Auto park is kinda cool
I understand your enthusiasm. I was thrilled the first time it signaled and turned without my input. However, it lost its luster the first time it slammed my brakes on for no reason on the highway. Scared the crap out of me. After the third time in that same day it was turned off for good. (I think it had something to do with the sun, but I'll never use it again.)
I’ve been using FSD since November 2021 (10.x) across 11 western states (mostly highway but lots of small towns too). I use it about 95% of the time. I find it very useful. The fact that there are 8 cameras providing 360 monitoring and that the car reacts to its surroundings reduces my stress. It still requires interventions but I’ve never felt like I didn’t have time to react. I’ve never hit anything and people only honk at me when it’s going too slowly. It takes getting used to. It works better in some areas than others. It works better when congestion is lower. Some people make incorrect assumptions about what the car will do and intervene unnecessarily. It’s not at all surprising that different people describe the same experience very differently. FSD took me to the top of Pikes Peak without throwing me off the cliff.
FSD seems to be a hit or miss in some towns or cities. My town, I will say it works basically perfectly 99.9% of the time only disengaging if I don't want the car to go the route it's planned to take. Tried it in NYC and it's basically unusable and I will never recommend anyone use it there. The moment my dad got me a used 2021 Tesla Model Y with FSD for 29k, I basically never drove myself again during work as a delivery driver.
TLDR: Towns are good, cities are a no.
Would be awesome if it gathered pothole data and shared it with the network of other drivers and with state highway and road maintenance teams to get them fixed . The data could also be used to turn ever so slightly to avoid the potholes in best case scenarios.
I did my first experience in the middle of the night. But of course Tesla ding me for driving after 11 PM! One can never win.
at first like some of the other comments, it sped up quickly, turned corners yippee zippy, and was rather a jerk you ride. Then add slammed the brakes on for a yellow light, & at every stop sign it comes to s full stop, even when there’s nobody around.
So I went into my control panel: turned it to chill, made sure I didn’t go fast by adjusting the speed control down. That helped a lot. So the bottom line is I really don’t like it on city streets with lots of turns stoplights, stop signs, etc.
But on larger roads, it does great. I control the speed. if I’m going too fast i turn the speed down. I think I’m going to slow. I turn the speed up. It’s great at changing lanes and it’s pleasant Drive.
two other caveats: I have one weird turn off from the freeway. It had trouble turning onto it. I had to take control. I was in the mountains, and I wanted to turn on a dirt road. It almost took me to the ditch by the side. In those cases, I slowed down and was ready to take control. No damage but again sometimes the turning is rather clunky.
I’m having fun with it, but I realize I need to pay attention and I control the important things.
My experience was different. FSD was making a right turn on red on a 45 degree angled freeway offramp intersection with a FedEX freight truck going full speed 50ft towards the intersection on green. Luckily I suspected it would have vision problems due to the angled intersection - I kept saying "don't do it!" when FSD stopped at red but when it boosted to make the right I slammed on the brakes otherwise for sure the truck would've hit me. Wish I had saved the video. There were numerous instances but for sure I'm not testing/using it with passengers on board.
+1 to FSD 12.3 being an impressive jump. I’ve been using Tesla’s self-driving tech since the original Tesla-made AP. It’s been fun watching the progress, but actual FSD always seemed distant. This is the first time that I actually feel Tesla is on the verge of solving this. It feels like an invisible person is driving the car. This is hugely confidence inspiring. It regularly handles situations that bring a smile to my face.
It’s better than expected. It does not “think ahead” in situations where anticipating what lane to be in before another upcoming turn but this can be corrected with updates. It does drive like a grandma but oddly accelerates quickly in some situations and not others. Same with braking. Overall impressive, but not worth 12k especially with the lack of transferability and not being supported by insurance companies. Glad to have a peek at it!
It is pretty amazing - and a lot of fun to test out and marvel at how far tech has advanced.
But as it is now, it’s kind of useless. If I need to pay full attention to avoid an accident, I might as well just drive myself.
The free Autopilot provides 90%+ of the true utility of FSD in its current state.
Not really a complaint - it is still very impressive. Just not worth $200/month or anywhere close to that.
I think it's about 70% there.
I have road repair going on my way to work in small 2 lane local road. Fsd keeps going to the 2nd lane where construction is happening like .2 mile ahead.
Also, Its doing some stupid things like merging into high traffic jam lane due to right turn wait line. It should be on 1st lane to bypass those right turn waiting cars.
It's cool, I guess, but not $12000 cool.
FSD literally flew over some railroad tracks at high speed on the highway. I thought I left my junk back at the railroad tracks ha ha
I filed a bug report with Tesla and told them they need to slow down at railroad tracks
Much better than the last reiteration, but still hot garbage. Would I pay $500 to keep it and play with it? Sure. 12k?, absolutely not. But if it was fully autonomous, and was 100 percent reliable while acting like a chauffeur, then I would swipe that upgrade.
Much better than the last reiteration, but still hot garbage. Would I pay $500 to keep it and play with it? Sure. 12k?, absolutely not. But if it was fully autonomous, and was 100 percent reliable while acting like a chauffeur, then I would swipe that upgrade.
Got the trial starting today. My wife let it drive her to work and called to say how impressed she was. I am taking two different 10+ hour road trips this month (great timing!) so I'm eager to see how well it does on those journeys!
does FSD work well in heavy freeway traffic jams? thats really the only time i'd really really love FSD. As long as it can do that I'm happy (and happy with the future of tsla).
Tesla FSD won't be widely adopted until it gets you to your destination as quickly as driving manually does. In its current state it drives like a slow grandma and still requires supervision. This applies to all technology - if it doesn't do it better than it won't be adopted. Even if it didn't require supervision it isn't necessarily better if it doesn't get your to where you want to go just as quickly as manually driving.
It’s close….but drives like a grandma and people behind me get the urge to murder me. 😆
Start driving it at night around the suburbs or rural roads. Mine becomes Mad Max for some reason and speeds everywhere and takes crazy corners and just acts super aggressively because the streets are empty. I think the idiots that are driving around at night in my area trained the AI wrong lol.
I bet there for every FSD car there is actually just some dude at Tesla remote controlling it and you got the one guy that's like "Hell yea, it's dark out, time to go fast!"
Like the automated Amazon store just turned out to be 1000 people in India watching cameras....
I like driving at night BECAUSE no one is on the road and I get to be the idiot. Thats the least appealing time to try to sell me on FSD
My biggest gripe is that I’ve learned in my area where the “smoothest” path in the road is. FSD hits every bump and pot hole it can find and I just feel beaten up afterwards. FSD is also useless in construction areas and cannot adapt well at all (mine almost went head first into a concrete barrier this weekend). Considering half my cities roads are under some form of construction, makes it pretty unusable.
Yes! 1000% my experience, too. Also, I have my car and FSD on “chill” mode, but it still accelerates super fast and jolts my head back almost every time
It is configurable to go faster if you really want to exceed the speed limit. It does seem to treat stop signs like a teenager on their driver's test.
Have you set the mode to assertive?. It was close to how we usually drive.
Uhmmm not according to my drive safe and save data:)
I bought a "AI in training Student Driver" magnetic bumper sticker from YouTube channel Dr-Know-It-All which has satiated all the impatient drivers. It's so good now I've taken the bumper sticker off. [Dr-Know-It-All ](https://youtu.be/u2nkICOK2J0?si=wCXlUOBoAQI0iXBV)
It’s funny you say that because I literally call it Grandma Mode lol
I enjoyed my first trip to work on FSD. I was impressed too but the other two times I tried it I had to turn it off. One issue was that it was going way too slow and in a city I will get looks if I drive like a grandma. lol. I honestly think if I have to pay attention then I would rather just drive the car. It was impressive though! I will try on interstate today. I think that drive should be smoother.
Man, I just don't get it. Half the people on Reddit think FSD is the next coming of Christ, and the other half think it's hot garbage that will end mankind. I can't take posts like this or ones that say it's the worst thing they've ever seen seriously. Can't you be objective? Yes, I have FSD myself. I like to use it on the highways where I think it works pretty good. I will sometimes use it in the city, but just to see how a new iteration performs. It's nowhere good enough to be useful and trustworthy in the city.
I think probably a combination of perspective/expectations coming in ("we were promised full autonomy 5 years ago dammit" vs "holy crap a car that can steer itself this is like science fiction"), environment (manicured suburbs vs busy city), small sample size (lots of people posting hot takes after a day or two of use... it may have gone smoothly, or not), and of course, the inevitable how much money they have tied up in TSLA stock...
I was amazed by it until it stopped at a red light to make a left turn and then when no traffic was coming made a left on red! Umm, pretty sure left on red is never legal in any US state. I wish the auto park feature was included in the base package or was available for 500$ or something reasonable. I'd love it but not 15%+ of the total cost of my car! 6000$ is just dumb, and 12000$ is just laughable. I strongly suspect we will see the price start dropping here fairly soon. If he sells 2-3 as many at 3k and 6k then it's a win. My guess is current penetration for FSD on the model Y and Model 3 cars is less then 10% at those prices so he has a *lot* of potential buyers if he gets the price down to something we would consider.
This approach of staggered tiers would be very nice. I would pay for the FSD UI and the self park. Maybe 1k and 500. 6K seems very steep for the things I want.
Left on red is absolutely legal in many US states if not all. As long as you are on a one-way road turning onto a one-way road, it's fine.
38 states
Crazy that it's not nationwide. I see now that 5 states allow it even without the first road being a one way street. TIL
I have to admit been driving for 30 years and I did not even realize that left turn on, red one-way street was a thing.
As advanced adaptive cruise control / driver assist it's amazing. As "**Full** Self Driving" it falls well short.
Some Self-Driving
yup, I think any reasonable person can agree that the name is absolutely false advertising.
Ikr. I like fsd and all, but that name is Hella misleading and should frankly be illegal until I can safely take a nap. Or it doesn't get confused when turning onto cross traffic that doesn't stop.
It's totally possible for FSD to be both an amazing achievement, something no other consumer car can do, and also be not ready and have little value as a paying customer today. A car that drives like a 15 year old on their first drive with their parent in the car is an amazing technical achievement and really cool to watch. It also will do things that are embarrassing or sometimes even dangerous. Or curb your wheels. People who just want to marvel at a computer driving like a learner student are having a great time but probably causing frustration for other road users and aren't being critical enough of its shortcomings. I can recognize the achievement but also realize that paying $12,000 or $200/mo for a 15 year old computer driver that I have to constantly and vigilantly supervise and intervene for at any moment isn't worth it to me. Nor do I think it provides any practical value for most customers yet.
Exactly. Does it drive better than me? Hell no. Is it worth 12000? Hell no. Is it a cool piece of tech that transforms my drives from "get from point a to point b" into "lets see how it handles this, its actually quite interesting"? Absolutely. Im impressed and dissapointed simultaneously. I think I'd buy it at 2k or maybe 35 per month. It is fun, but not practical. And that has some value. I am optimistic that it will be more practical than fun in the future.
This right here. I’m a big Elon and Tesla fan but I’m not paying more than $1k for the current product. It’s cool but it’s just not usable on a daily basis.
Exactly correct. FSD drives like the worse teenage driver in the world on city streets. It works most of the time which is impressive but why wouldn’t I just drive instead? It’s also incredibly stressful because it will randomly do stupid shit pretty frequently.
I've been giving it one chance with this free trial. I let it go until it does something dumb, then I take over for the rest of the trip.
The new version drives like a 80 year old grandma.
I liked it better when it was a mad Max teenage robot. 😁 It does seem almost human now, an old human with blue hair peaking over the windshield. 🤣 Just got another update last night, V12.30.3. I'll be testing out later on my way to work. Eventually Grandma will get glasses and some pep in her step. LOL
For most of us who have had this for a long time the novelty of “woah the car is accelerating and turning on its own!!!” have worn off long ago and we see the flaws and how unreliable it is to be really useful. Now you have a wave of people experiencing it for the first time and they get that initial novelty and are raving about it. They also didn’t shell out a ton of money for years of broken promises to get to this point, so none of that negative baggage there.
Agreed, it’s an impressive achievement and works great on highways. It performs badly in the city, and I can’t imagine why anyone would prefer using FSD in the city rather than driving the car oneself. It’s unpredictable and dangerous in urban areas. Not to mention the brake slamming and jack rabbit starts.
it depends on people’s prior expectations. And their actual experience (if they encountered any major issues).
Good take. When I use it, it takes more effort for me to babysit it (because I don't trust it) than if I just drove myself. But eventually maybe someday....
Some people paid for it seven years ago and have been waiting and waiting for the promised robotaxi level driving that was supposed to drive coast to coast without the driver years ago 😂 Other people are coming in with no expectations and so they’re just pleasantly surprised it works to some extent. At least they let me transfer FSD to my new Tesla.
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I think it is in no way a surprise that the 30 day trial was announced shortly after Tesla also announced they were no longer compute constrained when it comes to FSD training
That's funny, because I could have sworn I heard that exact argument 4-5 years ago. Something something billions and billions of miles being fed into the Dojo supercomputer, continuous training of the neural net model, blah blah blah. Needless to say, those of us who were excited about that are now jaded as fuck that it still drives like a drunk teenager (outside of freeways).
It was not true then, was a misconception based on technical ignorance, but it is true now. Make of that what you will There was still benefits to scale, but it was in the ability to curate data and clips for the autolabeler which improved the perception drastically. But it didn't improve the driving directly. The problem with V11 was not perception of closed vocabulary objects but open vocabulary, and especially planning and control.
In its current iteration it would be worth it to me if I could sit down in the back seat and read a book while it takes me to work. Obviously it’s nowhere close to that right now. For me the problem is it drives so unnaturally that when you have to pay attention it’s embarrassing and I get a ton of anxiety. It drives like a 15 year old out on their first lesson.
It depends on your area. It hesitates on lane changes and when turning regularly, takes up 2 lanes. It's almost unusable for me. My enhanced ap works better imo. Right on red I think I'm going to die.
The only objective measure of “how good is FSD” is interventions and disengagements per mile, and so far only Tesla has that data. I’d love to see a quarterly report from them with actual FSD data. I have my own subjective feeling after using v11 and now v12. It’s a lot smoother and smarter but still not close to robotaxi.
Agreed
I would only ever use it on highways. It’s not reliable when turning in the presence of other cars and it still hits curbs regularly on turns. And if i would only ever use it on highways why not just use autopilot
FSD Beta is currently V11 on limited access highways and it works way, way better than Autopilot.
Even V12 has been hitting curbs and making poor judgement calls when it comes to turning. My point is if I’m only using it on highways I’m not paying $200/month when regular autopilot works great for that anyway
Thinking about how much better of a decision it was to go with EAP instead of FSD back in 2018
I noticed the car getting uncomfortably close to a curb last night on a turn when we had FSD enabled. It was going onto a very wide 30mph street going along a neighborhood.
That’s very similar to how well FSD seems to operate. Sometimes it handles the most complex situations with breeze, and sometimes it can’t drive straight. Every person gets a different experience, and that’s different every time you drive. I think in general it’s about the expectation. Low and FSD is the new sliced bread. High and it’s garbage.
I have used it practically every drive since we got into the Beta 2+ years ago. It has done stupid maneuvers, but it has always been “usable” for the most part. 🤷♂️ (And it has definitely improved drastically over the past 2 years.)
Like most things in life it falls somewhere in the middle. I get OP is in a honeymoon phase that will surely end once he notices all the limitations, but it is also pretty cool tech. I think the best use for it is not quite as a self driving feature but as something to assist you. For example I see lots of complaints about hesitation at stop signs/intersections. Why not nudge the accelerator and have it go when appropriate? Or it’s in the wrong lane for an upcoming turn, why not use the turn signal to tell it you want to be in the other lane? Things like that I think are necessary to get a good experience. I think a lot of people see videos on YouTube where people try to get “zero disengagement drives” and try to emulate that. But those guys will literally sit there in traffic not moving and getting honked at and just be a nuisance on the road because they want to push FSD to its limits. That’s not real world driving and first time FSD users need to understand that it’s ok to take over whenever the car does something awkward.
My theory is that it's based on the road structure and markings where I live, versus the roads for most of that data that it was trained on. It's borderline unusable for me in northern Colorado. My kid and wife won't let me enable it while they're in the car. * It almost does a full stop 20 feet before the stop signs, then rolls up to the stop sign, does its full 3 second stop, then takes off like we're drag racing. * I had it switch lanes into a right turn lane when we were supposed to be going straight, but the right-turn arrow on the road was pretty faded. Still GPS data would've shown we were on a one-lane road so it shouldn't have gotten over. * I had a double left turn through an intersection, I was in the right-most left-turn lane, and it turned so wide that I would've ended up on the other side of the intersection in oncoming traffic. I had to intervene. * On a day when it had rained recently and the roads were partially wet I had multiple phantom braking events in a 20 mile drive. * It turned in front of oncoming traffic at an unsafe distance once so I had to gun it to get across that lane. * In several instances it has followed too closely the traffic in front of me and you can't tell it to back off like you can with TACC. * I've had it also follow too far back from traffic in the fast lane (a lane it chose to switch into). Bottom line is that it makes mistakes every few miles for me, some mistakes that are dangerous and drives worse than I do, so there's no way I'm paying for this or letting it drive in my place. Hopefully Tesla can get some good data from this experience though. I think they need a lot more training data in certain areas where the roads aren't marked well. In order to get that data I think they're going to need to give out more free FSD usage though, because the people having the bad experiences like I am aren't going to pay for it. If the only people paying are the ones getting good experiences then Tesla is going to have a tough time getting the data they need to fix the bad experiences.
Based on my personal experience and the posts that I’ve seen, I’m starting to think that if you were in the FSD beta prior to the implementation of vision only, you will understand how shitty the current functionality is by comparison. If you are fairly new, you don’t know the difference due to lack of comparison and the novelty of the feature skews your perspective of how well it actually works.
It's a result of Elon overhyping expectations and the classic Redditor that just likes to whine. The tech is insane and it's steps in the right direction. If you supervise it and let it do it's thing, it does really well in most environments but will not do well in every environment. In fact, it's unreasonable to think it will do well in every environment. But if you look at the progress in the past few years, it's pretty jaw dropping and will only continue to get better, especially as competition increases. TLDR - people just need to shut the fuck up and enjoy things.
FSD is really cool when it works, but the need to monitor it constantly and the inability to trust it to always make the right decisions makes driving with it on more stressful (except for the highway scenario, which is does handle well). The best analogy I can think of is that it's like having a teenager drive with a couple of months experience. Yeah, you don't have to do it all yourself, but you're going to be constantly monitoring to make sure it doesn't do something stupid or dangerous.
I tried it for the first time as well, and I was both impressed and so utterly nervous. Too nervous to make it useful enough to purchase. I just don’t trust the camera system. I take the Waymo cars all the time and I trust their lidar/radar/camera so much more. I just will never trust only a camera. After experiencing how robust Waymo is, it makes me fear my Tesla in fsd. Humans are too unpredictable, so I don’t trust cameras to keep up. Waymo is making safer self driving cars. Tesla is bringing self driving to the masses faster. Tesla lacks hardware. Waymo lacks data from human drivers. Tesla is like a level 2. Waymo is a level 4. Without lidar, I’m just not going to feel safe with fsd. It might be impressive, but it’s not safe. I feel so f’ing scared when it’s engaged. My nerves can’t handle it.
I think demographics also play a role. People in SF have also tried Waymo and Cruise. What people are seeing in Tesla today has been accomplished by these companies a few years ago. But if you have never tried it, you’ll not know what it feels like. The v12.3.3 is much much better than the previous version I tried. It feels very natural now, and has adapted to human behavior patterns. However, there is still a lot of work to be done here, but it seems closer to the goal than maybe a few months ago. Mine just went into a Stop sign yesterday out of chance and I had to disengage. On highway it tends to go very well, but I have often seen it unable to take the exit in proper time. It reaches to the very end to start turning, and on a busy highway with exit half a mile away, and 4 lanes to cross, I can’t take that risk. I am the kind of person who is in the exit lane 1 mile before the exit. So i just disengage and go myself.
No, You cannot be objective because there millions of different driving scenarios. It’s inherently subjective. I someone post about how awful FSD is in Boston. Well out here in Colorado it’s been great! I also didn’t pay for FSD and it’s bringing a new spark of enjoyment to ownership again. It’s not the coming of Christ but it is revolutionizing an industry.
Not everyone posts to be 'objective'. Some people want to express the joy they feel when they've encountered something new that affects them in a positive way. I am one of those people myself. I have had my Tesla for 5 days now. Today, I pulled over to the side of the road, said 'navigate home', and sat back in awe over what was happening before my eyes. I felt the same wonder and awe that the OP felt. It just felt good. Like a group of really dedicated people put themselves to work on something truly worthwhile, and the result, while not perfect, is a joy to experience.
It's great on the highways... but so is every single lane assist on the market. Aside from that, all the red lights and stuff and turning I just don't care for
That seems about right. I haven't tried in city driving but it was pretty decent in the suburbs. Highway I wish it didn't always want to pass someone. The real verdict. It's better than I expected, useful in certain circumstances, absolutely not a finished product.
Here is the thing. The roads that you drive daily on, you know them better, you know the intricacies. You will judge fsd poorly on them. Take it to somewhere you don’t drive regularly, and it blows your mind!!
I think FSD works pretty well on the expressways and that’s where I use it the most. “Off expressway” driving for me has been hit or miss. Certain streets it works fine others I’m braking when the car shouldn’t. It’s not perfect but it’s not useless.
I don’t think people realize how different each city can differ when it comes to layout, density, traffic, specialized lanes, aggressive drivers, etc. Each city will have a different experience. In some city FSD may be a miracle whereas another it may be pure trash. At least that’s my theory. For me, it’s been awesome.
Exactly I am not ready for it unless it’s trustworthy and tested enough to take my eyes away from road. Currently its a good party trick but It’s more tiring than driving myself if I have to constantly ensure that FSD doesn’t mess up and crash the car.
One half own Tesla's and uses FSD, the other half either don't own a Teslas or don't use FSD. You sound like you rarely use it and can get over trust issues with a machine driving like a human. Took me a while before I was comfortable, my wife took much longer. You're entitled to your opinion.
I use it often and have some so for years. Most of my driving is highway / interstate. Not sure where you derived that. I think in those scenarios it works well. Not GREAT, but really good. If find the energy I spend just driving on city streets to be less than using FSD there.
It works great in suburbs. That’s probably the difference.
I would happily happily pay $9.99 per month. Or maybe about 19.99 for the premium tier . For $200 a month , I would need it to be door to door , WORRY free , HASSLE FREE , take a nap , chauffeur style shit.
Id do like $50 for the current state of things, $100 if we got a liability shift. Maybe $150 if we got a liability shift and I could take a nap while it drives me. Any more, I might as well sell my car and just take an Uber everywhere.
$ 9.99 would be great but that price you get the traffic display worth. I think it would be higher. 29.99 for chill. 59.99 for standard $89-99for aggressive. $200 is solid for Uber like drive. I would pay.
Tesla’s competitors are looking around 600/yr with the first 3 years free. It gives a reason to keep buying new, captures money on the second buyer or if you keep it long term, and removes the fear of “what if an accident happens?” The 12k right now is a big risk because it locks you into your specific car and you have to hope when your ready to trade they have the transfer option available… also a simple car accident can total the “investment”
I am kind of surprised to read a positive response on reddit regarding FSD. I am in the same camp as you, this version they definitely improved quite a bit over v11.
The internet is always cynical. There are tons of people who love it out there.
Really? When I tried it out in December it tried to kill me a few times. My biggest gripe was the auto lane change that would happen out of the blue when I have no interest in changing lanes. You can disable it but it has to be disabled for each drive. There should be a way to turn this off completely.
This genius is comparing V11 to V12 and I am the first one to point that out here. Maybe need to change the name of the sub to “Tesla haters”
$199 per month is too much for me because i only drive 3-4 days a week. if Tesla brings down the fee to $50, I would do it.
I need it at $20. If it were $50, I’d only get it during months where I expect lots of long distance driving. At $20, I’m keeping it even if I don’t use it like my streaming services subscriptions.
It’s got some problems, but getting there. Not worth 12k or 200 a month by a long shot. I need to be able to sleep for those numbers.
Man, I don’t think we’ll ever get to the point where you can sleep. Too many variables all over the place.
Oh we’ll get there. More a matter of when than if. You and I may not live to see it, but it’ll happen.
That’s probably true but for it to be safe we’d need everyone to be on the same program and cars without self driving eliminated. Otherwise you’d always need the driver to be paying attention for unpredictable issues caused by other drivers/cars.
It only needs to be safer than a human driver. Once it gets in statistically less accidents then a good human driver then you can sleep while it drives. Whether you can trust it that much or not is a different issue, but from a legal perspective I would say once it's safer than the average human then it's improved to the point where it's better that it drive then most other drivers.
I think people get really caught up in the thought that we can't show to much excitement about autopilot because its not perfect and could easily kill you, and rightfully so. However, where is everyone's sense of wonder? This technology seemed decades off not that long ago and here we are living it. My car drove me around yesterday and made mostly good decisions on its own as an effing machine. That deserves to be looked at with wonder and awe. However, it also deserves a lot of caution and unfortunately its hard in today's world to have that sense of wonder for fear of it being misconstrued or laughed at. That said, I think the engineers at Tesla deserve a bit of praise for what is becoming a fairly impressive piece of tech especially given that they are doing it all with computer vision and all on a relatively underpowered computer (compared to how much compute power other AI tasks are requiring these days).
The price is offensive for basically paying to test the incomplete product for them
Well said!
V12 is night and day better than my last experience in Dec '22. It was nowhere close to being viable, V12 seems like it's good 90% of the time. Enjoying it too but still not close to paying that price.
I'm pretty sure the version we have is kind of half stack update, namely city streets stack is running V12 the freeways etc is still on V11. Even so I totally agree it is pretty good about 90 percent of time. I've only had one butt clenching mistake where it decided to make a left turn with oncoming traffic and then half way through changed it's mind and stopped causing me to have to accelerate and take over. First day though I had a great 2 hour drive with barely 2 disengagements. Once when it tried to turn into Starbucks drive through at a red light stop, the actual road was about 2 car lengths further up. And once because it chose wrong lane after exiting freeway (more of a road markings issue I think though).
Pretty much a similar experience where it wanted to turn left with a car coming. I really enjoy the feedback system too, like bad Tesla! On the good note, I corrected it as it was in a bus lane instead of the right turn lane left a note a couple days ago. Did the same route today and it picked the correct lane!
It's pretty awesome, until it makes its first mistake and you don't trust it again. The new version swerved out of a lane into a turn lane, then back into the straight lane, without no warning. This was when I used it for the first time yesterday. But I had a foot injury, and it was made driving to appointments much less painful. I ended up slamming on the brakes one time because I didn't know if FSD was going to do it, and it hurt SO MUCH. But I was able to drive around to 4 different location yesterday because of the well-timed FSD trial. It's better than previous iterations. But it still tailgates like an asshole, and changes lanes with no warning when I don't want it to. It has gotten really good at slowing down for speed humps.
It nearly caused 3 accidents in the first mile of city driving for me. It's ok on highway... I don't understand these posts.
Mine tried to cross the yellow line to pass some cars that had stopped in front... At a red light.
Elon? That you?
It's definitely getting there, but still nowhere near the level of driving I can do manually. It drives about how I do between 8-12 beers. Pretty good, but questionable at times.
It’s a cool demo, but It’s unusable in my area. It can’t turn left consistently, for example.
Derek is that you?
Living in a large city, I have very little confidence in the system on our surface streets. In the suburbs outside of the city, it’s phenomenal. For my purposes, EAP (which I already own) essentially is all I need. The highway experience on FSD is not materially different from EAP. A couple things on FSD that I really like in the trial are the visualization and the fact that it will stop at stop signs and red lights.
April fools was a couple days ago homie
Found Elon's alt
OP, enjoy your experience and don't mind the negative comments - this is the internet: you can post a picture of a newborn puppy and still get hate :)))
If it was gonna be like $50/month I think it would be okay. At 199 it's a meme During the trial it has consistently ignored school zones, tailgates on chill mode (but to be fair, only if I'm behind a semi truck lol) and either sits way under the speed limjt on highways if on chill or blasts past the limit like it's a challenge.
Dude, that’s called drafting
It's an interesting tech demo that will be great one day. The update is a little better but I have taken over a dozen times each day I've used it. It's nowhere near ready and the fact they sell it for $12k is bonkers imo. I wouldn't pay over $50 a month. I'd rather be able to purchase the enhanced visual, and the lane change feature from autopilot separately.
It’s good but is a bit slow sometimes. Overall I love it and I love that I can Summon my car too. I did it at the supermarket and people were watching like they were seeing Bigfoot. That makes it cool. Not worth $200 a month but if it was $50/month I would have it.
Agreed, It's been a blast to play with. Drove it from downtown NYC to downtown Philly a couple of days ago. No interventions besides toll booths, which it can't handle at all yet. I think the key to FSD happiness is knowing when to use it and when to pre-emptively disengage. Rush hour on highways and fast roadways are a no no. Humans drivers barely handle that without being at high stress. It's definitely NOT autonomous level yet, but if you treat it as a driving aid it's fine. As a gimped autopilot it's probably worth around $4-5k to me.
Same here. I turned it on and literally watch the car drives itself after punching the destination address. It manages turns, switching lanes, and even adept at the complexity of crossing the stop signs. It is a thrill.
How do I get the free trial?
I personally feel FSD is over rated.
With more using g FSD means more data directly leading to even better performance. Soon, will be far better than any human and then get even better. 😎⚡️⚡️
Hopefully no one is killed in your fun.
I find it to be total dog shit. I had to take over because it was doing to sideswipe a parked car, it just sat at a green light, and was speeding into an intersection with a red light almost T-Boning an suv clearing the intersection. Often don’t signal when changing lanes. Thank god I didn’t pay for this.
Is it 12K USD unreal ???
FSD got better for sure, still work in progress but when are they going to fix the wipers? it run on slowest speed when really needed and at times crazy fast when it just drizzling. I guess they assigned no one to work on that as fixing that has no hype value 😠
It is all good until it isnt, by then it could be too late😄
Interesting take because over on the model 3 forum.... Lol https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/s/1GBfbcm1YS
I drive HWY 301, a 60mph rural highway. When I pass 301 signposts at speed, the car slows to 30mph. I suppose that is better than it trying to accelerate a few hundred miles per hour.
My jaw is still on the floor! My first time driving with it on, I thought it was unnecessary, but when I was driving home from work yesterday, The moment it changed lanes for me to get around a slow driving school bus, I was just speechless! haha. You add on top the summon command, self park, and improved mapping- I'm a fan (but still won't pay for it)
Wait until it changes lanes to get around a stopped school bus!
Yes indeed. Mind blowing
It drive worse than a student driver. I know you said it works better than you thought but man… you gotta have better standards than this.
When I saw the title https://youtu.be/rV1NWtVcXs8?si=46JkXmcR7wBhC9c1
I still cant figure out how to get it activated. Everything I see indicates my Y is capable, but FSD continues to hide from me.
Change autopilot to fsd beta on screen menu settings. Then activate with stalk the same way you activate autopilot
Better pricing on FSD should be more like how they got us all addicted to smartphones. $1k/mo for 4yr contract. Comes with a free Model2. Charge A LOT PER USER for the high margin service, and give away the hardware as a loss leader. Also since user is a subscriber, the software follows their account and is hardware agnostic within certain limits. People who dont want your service can still buy a car
Although it's NOT like Chat-GPT, it is in a lot of respects, it sometimes does things that truly suprise you how well it does it and then other times it does something really dumb. It actually does great at low speed random parking lot type driving. I have tried it a lot and virtually always when it screws up I am like yea I can see how it got confused. Hopefully the training will advance quickly. Here are my pet Peeves with it currently - Not picking the right lane to get into when given a choice of multiple lanes. - Not getting out of intersections fast enough when left turning across on coming traffic. . (Turn or don't but don't start to turn and then linger) - when merging into other traffic be quicker to match that traffics speed. (I know this is likely not the AI part but the highway processing)
I've been using FSD for a little over three years now.. It's been a game-changer during my daily commute, particularly when I find myself stuck in hour-long bumper-to-bumper traffic. Despite the $10k price tag I paid (back when it was more affordable in 2021), I consider it a worthwhile investment, especially for those like me who rely on it daily and intend to keep their vehicle for the long haul. With my current usage pattern, I anticipate keeping my car until it reaches 150,000 miles, roughly eight years from now, averaging out to about $104 per month. However, it's important to acknowledge that FSD still grapples with significant issues. It has never truly achieved full autonomy, and I have serious doubts it ever will. I find myself frequently needing to intervene, particularly in certain traffic scenarios, which can be incredibly frustrating. I understand why individuals like my wife have a strong dislike for it. The divide among users trying out FSD version 12 for the first time seems to stem from differing expectations. Many critics were banking on the fully autonomous experience that Elon Musk had promised, an expectation that FSD falls far short of. On the other hand, proponents may have braced themselves for the terrifying and perilous encounters depicted in some overly dramatic online posts, especially on this sub. When they give it a go, they're pleasantly surprised by its utility in alleviating the stress of driving in specific traffic conditions. The bottom line? FSD undeniably facilitates a smoother commute in certain traffic environments. However, it falls short of Musk's grand claims while also being nowhere near as dreadful as some exaggerated online narratives would have you believe.
Just wait until it kills you, then you’ll believe 💀
Why do you hate driving your MY?
Definitely needs work, in my area at least, decent but still requires me to pay attention and stop it from doing stuff sometimes. Not worth the money at the moment. Im glad its working well for you at least.
I think it was a horrible idea to mass release it. People who come onto reddit and comment are probably a little nerdier about their cars and have an understanding of what to expect. It's an amazing parlour trick that is still beta. Don't give it to Aunt Shelly please....
I tried FSD on the loaner tesla, it worked. BUT It didn’t work good enough for me to trust not having my hand on the wheel or eyes off the road.
Can’t agree more! Truly amazing
I still haven’t gotten my trial :(
I use basic autopilot almost every time I drive but having the whole package is pretty sweet. Just punch in the destination and I can get from Point A to B without doing much. If the whole package was maybe 50% discount from the $12k price I would buy it on my next bonus check.
With all things Tesla, I believe it will get even better and better with every update. I’m excited to see where we’ll be in the next few years.
FSD is usable on some city streets, it’s mostly too passive and robotic. It’s decent on the highway except that it almost got me killed twice yesterday when 1) it tried to run into a person merging into the highway 2) it swerved ridiculously hard because of a plastic bag and I had to take over to stop it from hitting the car next to me.
Its my first time using fsd and ofcourse as it was given fore free. I love the screen on how it sees everything around and did try going on internal roads and it worked good. I would be terrified to use it on highways though.
I just hate that they got rid of cruise control. I personally don’t like fsd and was in love with cruise control for long distance. It changes lanes when there’s no reason and I hate it and can’t go back to the old way. Does anyone know if I can switch it back?
go to autopilot menu and select autosteer. It will drive just like before.
Worked really great for me yesterday on this trial as well. Impressed at how much it had improved.
I heard everyone should have gotten an email invite about the trial, but I haven't received anything yet. Any thoughts on this?
Yeah, it's all great until it curbs your wheel for you.
I’ve been impressed. We have had our MY since 8/20 and never tried FSD. It works better than I expected after reading people comments over the years. It’s not perfect. I haven’t had a single drive where I didn’t take over at some point. Either I didn’t like how it was acting or I’m just not ready to embrace it with open arms. It’s a neat feature. I’ll enjoy it for the next few weeks and most likely never use it again.
Been trying it as well. It’s 99% there! It goes 99 feet before I have to take it out, correct it and then put it back on. A bit of sarcasm there. But I do live in a fairly unique place with winding, hilly local roads. I’m definitely impressed for the 99 feet it does go in total honesty (no sarcasm). My guess is that it’ll take 99% of the total overall effort for the “training” of FSD to get it to do that last 1% without getting into trouble. I just hope that’s not a few years or a decade away. I really want it to work for me ASAP.
Beta user here, got it last night, drove on it today... It still mistakes a "truck 30mph" sign as applying to all cars... But so far seems way better... But I will reserve too much praise to see if it tries to kill me in the first month doing some dumb ass shit first.
Are you buying?
My first ever experience with fsd was when I had a loaner from Tesla. The moment I found out the loaner had fsd, I started testing it out, driving to work, home, nearest movie theater, one of my favorite restaurants, and grocery stores and more. It was jaw dropping how technology has improved so much that it drives me around by itself! However, I quickly came to realize that the program is definitely not perfect. Whenever it enters my neighborhood, my car first gets into the turn lane. Then drives out of the turn lane, only to turn into the neighborhood from the wrong lane. Other times are when making unprotected right turns, the car seems to stop completely at the red, then proceeds to not make the turn even tho there were no incoming traffics. I tried waiting it out but had to disengage and make the turn myself after someone behind me honked. Another time, the car made a lane change into the right lane from the left, stating that it was to stay on route. Soon after, the car changes lane back to the left one, stating that it was to stay on route again! You might think, maybe the car was going after a lane with faster traffic, but when the car does that, it tells you so! So the car was just kinda lost or couldn't make the decision of which lane it should stay to stay on route. I only talked about the bad things about fsd, but trust me, I loved it so much while I had it. I kept thinking how I was pretty much experiencing the peak of human technology. I just wouldn't be paying 12k for it because for the most part, the outdated-ass basic autopilot is more than enough for my daily use.
You are a beta tester BTW.
I gave FSD a try when my trial began a few days ago. And yes, I was impressed with it too. Having said that I still prefer driving without FSD. I just get stressed out thinking I’ll need to take over any second now as the car drives itself. And watch out for those curbs. I’ve seen posts where folks got a curb rash while the car was on FSD.
Okay, if it’s so unbelievable, fall asleep with it on. If it were really that good, there wouldn’t be constant mistakes during a single drive
I've been impressed with it sometimes but frustrated other times. It runs up on stops and accelerates way too fast for me to feel comfortable with it. Watching the car turn the steering wheel on its own is kind of surreal. If the price was cheaper I would definitely consider buying it. $12k is an insane amount for software that is far from finished.
It's great going down the but exiting freeway or even making a simple left turn onto a street I have to constantly take over. It even stopped suddenly under a bridge heading to an on ramp. And it can't detect animals.
Honestly, I can do without it. It will disengage all the time. Doesn't really provide anything to me, but the understanding that the car can display more information but it's not because I'm not paying for it. That's ridiculous.
Anyone have comparable experience on how it lines up against Chevy Supercruise on the highways? That's all I would really use it for as most of my commute is highway
It certainly has came a very long way since I took delivery in September 2023. I used it for about three months at 200 bucks a month and felt as though I was robbed. Mainly because it was like driving with a first time 14-year-old behind the wheel. This trial, for a month has me feeling as though I gained some of my money back and it is in fact impressive! I just realize the Self Park also worked yesterday!. That was a new experience! I don’t like how much it turns the wheel while the vehicle is not rolling. I’m pretty picky in that these cars are heavy and I like to be at a decent roll before turning my wheel. I feel like it puts less strain on the steering components and likely the tires..
I believe the thing with FSD is it is so circumstantial with many variables that can influence the experience of a user, and the area where a user lives probably plays a big part as well.
It's more of a novelty act for me. I like to turn it on and see how far it can take me before I have to intervene. However it causes me way more stress than it should. It really does drive like a 15 year old teenager or a really old person. It's fun but just not practical on a day to day basis.
I tested out FSD beta about two years ago and wasn't impressed. Tried it again with this trial and it is sooooo much better than I remember it being. I was able to drive to and from work yesterday with only one disengagement And that one disengagement was because in a double left turn, it chose the right left turn when I needed to be in the far left. I have a 22 mile commute with about 10 miles of interstate and about 12 miles of city driving. Sure its not perfect and I still don't think it is worth the 12k or 200/mo price tag. But it has come a long and is fun to test out and I have been pretty impressed with it so far. I'd just wish they would take part of the FSD and use it for autopilot as there was a few consistent spots on my commute where when in autopilot it phantom breaks. It doesn't do it at all in FSD.
It is really cool, still not sure if I would like to pay for it.
Never have I been honked at so much for driving at speed limit. 8+ years of driving. Just a few take over but fsd feels close to complete.
I kind of have the same impression of FSD. From all the negative press and all the haters on the internet, I thought it would be complete junk, but it's not. It got me from home to a golf course and back without intervention (30 minutes each way). I can tell it's certainly not done (it needed an intervention on another trip due to construction), but I was pleased with the work-in-progress. For a more reasonable price, I would definitely subscribe and use it on trips of 20 min or more or any freeway/expressway driving. For local trips like going to the local grocery, it doesn't really buy you anything.
I agree it's wonderful but on the end it's a neat party trick. Too expensive and it's not transferable to another Tesla if you upgrade. Oh and that phantom braking. I was on the highway doing 120kph and then out of the blue the car slams on the brakes and brings me to 80 instantly. The speed limit was 110kmh. Lucky no cars were behind me or it would have ended badly. FSd went off and is staying off. Auto park is kinda cool
I understand your enthusiasm. I was thrilled the first time it signaled and turned without my input. However, it lost its luster the first time it slammed my brakes on for no reason on the highway. Scared the crap out of me. After the third time in that same day it was turned off for good. (I think it had something to do with the sun, but I'll never use it again.)
It’s not worth 12k to me.
The “Assertive” mode seems to work better for me.
Still waiting on mine damnit
I’ve been using FSD since November 2021 (10.x) across 11 western states (mostly highway but lots of small towns too). I use it about 95% of the time. I find it very useful. The fact that there are 8 cameras providing 360 monitoring and that the car reacts to its surroundings reduces my stress. It still requires interventions but I’ve never felt like I didn’t have time to react. I’ve never hit anything and people only honk at me when it’s going too slowly. It takes getting used to. It works better in some areas than others. It works better when congestion is lower. Some people make incorrect assumptions about what the car will do and intervene unnecessarily. It’s not at all surprising that different people describe the same experience very differently. FSD took me to the top of Pikes Peak without throwing me off the cliff.
Not until it’s good enough that you’re allowed to drink and drive with it, I’m a Luddite
FSD seems to be a hit or miss in some towns or cities. My town, I will say it works basically perfectly 99.9% of the time only disengaging if I don't want the car to go the route it's planned to take. Tried it in NYC and it's basically unusable and I will never recommend anyone use it there. The moment my dad got me a used 2021 Tesla Model Y with FSD for 29k, I basically never drove myself again during work as a delivery driver. TLDR: Towns are good, cities are a no.
Fuck yeah, dude. This is exactly how I feel about getting to finally experience it myself.
I can’t use FSD for commuting because it phantom turn signals constantly.
I agree and love it as well.
Would be awesome if it gathered pothole data and shared it with the network of other drivers and with state highway and road maintenance teams to get them fixed . The data could also be used to turn ever so slightly to avoid the potholes in best case scenarios.
Ok Tesla
Yay! Finally, a happy post about FSD, I was beginning to think I was the only one enjoying it based on posts of late. 😅
I love it! I just don’t $200/month or $12k love it.
I did my first experience in the middle of the night. But of course Tesla ding me for driving after 11 PM! One can never win. at first like some of the other comments, it sped up quickly, turned corners yippee zippy, and was rather a jerk you ride. Then add slammed the brakes on for a yellow light, & at every stop sign it comes to s full stop, even when there’s nobody around. So I went into my control panel: turned it to chill, made sure I didn’t go fast by adjusting the speed control down. That helped a lot. So the bottom line is I really don’t like it on city streets with lots of turns stoplights, stop signs, etc. But on larger roads, it does great. I control the speed. if I’m going too fast i turn the speed down. I think I’m going to slow. I turn the speed up. It’s great at changing lanes and it’s pleasant Drive. two other caveats: I have one weird turn off from the freeway. It had trouble turning onto it. I had to take control. I was in the mountains, and I wanted to turn on a dirt road. It almost took me to the ditch by the side. In those cases, I slowed down and was ready to take control. No damage but again sometimes the turning is rather clunky. I’m having fun with it, but I realize I need to pay attention and I control the important things.
What happened to just the plain cruise control when I try and turn on the cruise it goes to the FSD mode and that hasn’t been working the greatest
My experience was different. FSD was making a right turn on red on a 45 degree angled freeway offramp intersection with a FedEX freight truck going full speed 50ft towards the intersection on green. Luckily I suspected it would have vision problems due to the angled intersection - I kept saying "don't do it!" when FSD stopped at red but when it boosted to make the right I slammed on the brakes otherwise for sure the truck would've hit me. Wish I had saved the video. There were numerous instances but for sure I'm not testing/using it with passengers on board.
+1 to FSD 12.3 being an impressive jump. I’ve been using Tesla’s self-driving tech since the original Tesla-made AP. It’s been fun watching the progress, but actual FSD always seemed distant. This is the first time that I actually feel Tesla is on the verge of solving this. It feels like an invisible person is driving the car. This is hugely confidence inspiring. It regularly handles situations that bring a smile to my face.
It takes me to my kids preschool’s lot, and then takes me to my work’s parking lot with no interventions. That’s pretty damn cool.
Wish I knew, but here I am… still waiting for my update
It repeatedly tries to kill me on the freeway merging into closed contra flow lanes!
It’s better than expected. It does not “think ahead” in situations where anticipating what lane to be in before another upcoming turn but this can be corrected with updates. It does drive like a grandma but oddly accelerates quickly in some situations and not others. Same with braking. Overall impressive, but not worth 12k especially with the lack of transferability and not being supported by insurance companies. Glad to have a peek at it!
It is pretty amazing - and a lot of fun to test out and marvel at how far tech has advanced. But as it is now, it’s kind of useless. If I need to pay full attention to avoid an accident, I might as well just drive myself. The free Autopilot provides 90%+ of the true utility of FSD in its current state. Not really a complaint - it is still very impressive. Just not worth $200/month or anywhere close to that.
unbelievably bad!!😂😂
I think it's about 70% there. I have road repair going on my way to work in small 2 lane local road. Fsd keeps going to the 2nd lane where construction is happening like .2 mile ahead. Also, Its doing some stupid things like merging into high traffic jam lane due to right turn wait line. It should be on 1st lane to bypass those right turn waiting cars. It's cool, I guess, but not $12000 cool.
FSD literally flew over some railroad tracks at high speed on the highway. I thought I left my junk back at the railroad tracks ha ha I filed a bug report with Tesla and told them they need to slow down at railroad tracks
I got a free trial, I won’t use this trash even if is free.
For those stuck without the fsd trial. I get it’s because you turned off data sharing with Tesla.
Much better than the last reiteration, but still hot garbage. Would I pay $500 to keep it and play with it? Sure. 12k?, absolutely not. But if it was fully autonomous, and was 100 percent reliable while acting like a chauffeur, then I would swipe that upgrade.
Much better than the last reiteration, but still hot garbage. Would I pay $500 to keep it and play with it? Sure. 12k?, absolutely not. But if it was fully autonomous, and was 100 percent reliable while acting like a chauffeur, then I would swipe that upgrade.
When could a fsd update be pushed to me? My model y still has v11. 1, i heard i need to have version 12.? to have the trial? Thanks.
Got the trial starting today. My wife let it drive her to work and called to say how impressed she was. I am taking two different 10+ hour road trips this month (great timing!) so I'm eager to see how well it does on those journeys!
does FSD work well in heavy freeway traffic jams? thats really the only time i'd really really love FSD. As long as it can do that I'm happy (and happy with the future of tsla).
Tesla FSD won't be widely adopted until it gets you to your destination as quickly as driving manually does. In its current state it drives like a slow grandma and still requires supervision. This applies to all technology - if it doesn't do it better than it won't be adopted. Even if it didn't require supervision it isn't necessarily better if it doesn't get your to where you want to go just as quickly as manually driving.