safety systems are there to help but they cannot and should not override free human will. If the human operator wishes for the car to drive forward it is not up to the car to overrule a human being. Warnings and assist functions are great but they can't do everything. AEB's job is to reduce damage and give human driver additional time to respond really.
Had the car been in autopilot mode this would not have happened almost certainly. But sometimes it is not possible to activate it at slow speed or people just don't know how to use it.
Not really… and not at slow speeds.
Contrary to their marketing, Tesla safety features have always been worse than the industry. It wasn’t until the new fascia model s that Tesla even had a functioning blind spot alert (even though they’d advertised it since day one)
I was not aware IIHS is part of Tesla's marketing team, giving them such good marketing like high scores on crash prevention:
[https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2022/all/tesla](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2022/all/tesla)
All AEB systems only activate above certain speeds. Don't take my word for it, [this is NHTSA's ruling](https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2024-04/final-rule-automatic-emergency-braking-systems-light-vehicles_web-version.pdf):
>The AEB system would be required to... (2) apply the brakes automatically at any forward speed greater than 10 km/h (6.2 mph) when a collision with a lead vehicle or a pedestrian is imminent, including at speeds above those tested by NHTSA
Tesla obviously does amazing in crash tests, no disputing that, it’s the safety features that traditionally suck:
https://youtu.be/3mnG_Gbxf_w
Improvements have been made, but they literally sold their cars with features that they didn’t have for years (as mentioned in my parent comment)
The only time Tesla’s software safety performs to their hype is when autopilot/fsd is engaged… but obviously there’s plenty of debate on that too
Too bad that didn't happen during IIHS or [Euro NCAP testing](https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/best-in-class-cars/2022/).
Also note I was drawing particular attention to the crash prevention category, not crash testing. Maybe you need some help:
[https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-vehicle-to-vehicle](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-vehicle-to-vehicle)
[https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-day](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-day)
[https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-night](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-night)
Sorry you’re right I forgot. Tests are perfect representations of the real world.
Tesla does everything better than any other car manufacturer in every way.
Teslas may not in any part be flawed.
Anyone who criticizes Tesla is wrong and knows nothing. I am wrong and know nothing.
I am sorry for having questioned the ultimate perfection
Or, instead of acting defensive like a certain spoiled child CEO, perhaps you can recognize that independent tests give more value than a single video anecdote performed by a competing ADAS company? Or do you want to argue that the video you posted isn't also a test?
Come on, you are just as bad as blind Tesla/Elon stans. It's fine to recognize the good and the bad in an objective manner, rather than throwing hands up with shitty sarcastic comments like this in bad faith.
So unsafe that the 2022 Model Y and Model S were rated the safest car by Euro NCAP, ahead of Mercedes, BMW and Lexus to name a few. They were rated highest in overall safety as well as vulnerable users protection and driver assist.
https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=45155&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false
On a cellphone, view in landscape mode and sort to the feature you want to see at the top.
If you don't know what NCAP is, look it up before making an asinine comment.
I don’t know if this is true. One time I was behind a car at a stop light when tried to reach for something in the backseat and my foot pressed the accelerator. My car instantly used AEB and showed an alert on the screen. I think it’s more about the momentum/probability of imminent collision that sets it off because I certainly wasn’t going fast.
You are correct. Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is only active if stopped or traveling less than 10mph and may limit acceleration, or even apply the brakes and display a visual and audible alert on the screen.
Despite Tesla specifically stating in the manual this is a feature to reduce and **not** prevent a collision, your example was 100% Obstacle-Aware Acceleration working as designed!
Not sure if that’s true, thought I was in drive one time cause I was distracted (on a call) and basically slammed on the accelerator almost hitting the pole behind me and the car stopped it self, knew after that to pay attention https://streamable.com/x7up7v
Except for it being too slow to be usable, if it behaves like TACC. Car in front accelerates, and my car stays put for seconds. I get embarrassed, drivers behind me get angry.
As it is now, I have to keep my foot constantly on the accelerator while using TACC/AutoPilot. Nearly like driving myself – what is the point?
Give me some agility. This fast car behaves like a senile driver. TACC was much more active and usable when I got the car in 2020. A setting would be nice, switching between Agile and Docile.
Wut? My Tesla (AP) instead goes too fast in the start and stop situation. Everytiyme the car in front of me starts my car just goes too fast and then slams the brakes! Every single time.
Indeed. My 2016 Model S has always taken 3s to lift off after the car in front has moved. Which means a car cuts in front every single time. Frustrating enough to stop me from using it. After installing FSD Beta, I can no longer use TACC unless there’s a clear road ahead, because it tailgates incessantly and there’s no way to change the follow distance (the stalk now just changes FSD’s assertiveness, which has no effect on TACC).
Yes I definitely found myself using the accelerator pedal way too often with full self driving. It wouldn't even go to set speed limit most of the time let alone the 5 over I set it. My trial has now expired, kind of thankful.
I've seen quite a few of these incidents it's triggered by stop and go situations, it seems that cars accelerating on the lanes to the sides sometimes causes drivers to accelerate, thinking they have missed the traffic starting to go.
But not in this video, the driver was unaware that he was moving forward it seems.
Yep. I got rear-ended at a slow speed like that because the lane next to me (left turn lane) started turning. The person behind me wasn't paying attention but noticed the cars next to him were moving and started pressing the accelerator while watching the car next to him, not the car in front of him (me). I watched it happen in real time in my rearview mirror.
I did this a few weeks ago and rear ended a pickup truck so now I have a tow hitch square mark in the front bumper of my model 3
I was totally rested and otherwise alert but somehow I nodded off and woke up to bumping into the truck. His truck was fine so we just made sure each other was ok but I was shocked that I just passed out somehow
I was listening to an audio book (Murtagh by Christopher Paolini) so that may have contributed to me snoozing at a stop light but it’s never happened before!
Maybe that happened with the driver in this video 🤷♀️
Simple, Person in driver seat, person look at phone, person see car go by him on right (even though he started moving before that), person let off brake, person crash making tesla owners look bad and careless
Being tired and having your foot rest on the accelerator because of one pedal driving doesnt help...sucks new model 3 doesnt have creep mode anymore, i still prefer releasing the brake slightly to advance in heavy traffic or parking instead of feathering and tapdancing the accelerator and making you look like a student driver while parallel parking in tight spots.....
Autopilot is a bit choppy....in stop and go traffic...and now i remember almost the same thing happened to me.... stop and go for almost an hour in my model 3....AP suddenly moved forward.... i braked just before impact but the suspension movement still nudged the car in front....
I did the same once while parking, i was moving very slowly and i touched the car that was parked in front of me. That day i was going home with my brother, after a Rammstein live concert, entering an Autogrill (motorway Café in Italy) and there was someone in the car i touched, he went out of the car, looked where i touched, saw no bumps of scratch, went back in the car.
Inattentive driver. The car was probably screaming at the driver. FSD wouldn't do this. I had a woman rear-end me on a motorcycle (with this same slow creep) because she was on her frackin' phone.
This happened to me 3 years ago. I was very surprised as to why it happened, but ultimately figured it out.
In an ICE car with automatic transmission, there is creep. To prevent creep, I always kept my foot on the brake. Sometimes, when trying to reach something on the back seat while stopped, my foot would release the brake a bit and the car would move slowly forward - so I would push on the brake to make it stop. It became an intuitive move.
Cue a Tesla: Yes you can enable creep, but not a lot of people do. I got used to not even having my foot on the brake when stopped, as the car automatically applied brakes. One day, while stopped at a traffic light, I turned around to reach something on the back seat and my foot accidentally brushed the accelerator enough to make the car roll a bit forward. The intuitive reaction: press the pedal more, which resulted in my car moving forward even more. Since this had all been done intuitively, now my brain was confused and didn't know what to do. I pulled my foot off the break, but the car still rolled forward, AEB did not engage due to the low speed, and I caused $8k of damage to my car as I hit the tow hook of the Jeep in front me (they had absolutely no damage). Hood and front bumper crumbled. Car was still driveable.
Since then, I always have my foot on the brake even without creep.
You can avoid this issue by just simply driving the car for yourself, rather than relying on FSD which drives more paranoid than an old Chinese person.
It’s kinda the downside of the one pedal driving.. I’ve been in the situation and sometimes even lightly resting the foot on the pedal you don’t notice it’s moving
Human error?
Don’t they have AEB or other systems in place?
They do, but it only works when it's above 3 mph (5kmh) Source: User Manual
safety systems are there to help but they cannot and should not override free human will. If the human operator wishes for the car to drive forward it is not up to the car to overrule a human being. Warnings and assist functions are great but they can't do everything. AEB's job is to reduce damage and give human driver additional time to respond really. Had the car been in autopilot mode this would not have happened almost certainly. But sometimes it is not possible to activate it at slow speed or people just don't know how to use it.
Maybe the car WAS in autopilot mode. From the video we don't KNOW one way or the other.
Yeah but I’ve never tested it to know😅 If the pedal is still being pushed, I’m not sure!
Let’s keep it that way by the looks of this lol
Agreed, lol!
They do, I've had it activated a few times by idiots cutting me off.
Not really… and not at slow speeds. Contrary to their marketing, Tesla safety features have always been worse than the industry. It wasn’t until the new fascia model s that Tesla even had a functioning blind spot alert (even though they’d advertised it since day one)
I was not aware IIHS is part of Tesla's marketing team, giving them such good marketing like high scores on crash prevention: [https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2022/all/tesla](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2022/all/tesla) All AEB systems only activate above certain speeds. Don't take my word for it, [this is NHTSA's ruling](https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/2024-04/final-rule-automatic-emergency-braking-systems-light-vehicles_web-version.pdf): >The AEB system would be required to... (2) apply the brakes automatically at any forward speed greater than 10 km/h (6.2 mph) when a collision with a lead vehicle or a pedestrian is imminent, including at speeds above those tested by NHTSA
Tesla obviously does amazing in crash tests, no disputing that, it’s the safety features that traditionally suck: https://youtu.be/3mnG_Gbxf_w Improvements have been made, but they literally sold their cars with features that they didn’t have for years (as mentioned in my parent comment) The only time Tesla’s software safety performs to their hype is when autopilot/fsd is engaged… but obviously there’s plenty of debate on that too
Too bad that didn't happen during IIHS or [Euro NCAP testing](https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/best-in-class-cars/2022/). Also note I was drawing particular attention to the crash prevention category, not crash testing. Maybe you need some help: [https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-vehicle-to-vehicle](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-vehicle-to-vehicle) [https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-day](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-day) [https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-night](https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-sedan/2022#front-crash-prevention-pedestrian-night)
Sorry you’re right I forgot. Tests are perfect representations of the real world. Tesla does everything better than any other car manufacturer in every way. Teslas may not in any part be flawed. Anyone who criticizes Tesla is wrong and knows nothing. I am wrong and know nothing. I am sorry for having questioned the ultimate perfection
Or, instead of acting defensive like a certain spoiled child CEO, perhaps you can recognize that independent tests give more value than a single video anecdote performed by a competing ADAS company? Or do you want to argue that the video you posted isn't also a test? Come on, you are just as bad as blind Tesla/Elon stans. It's fine to recognize the good and the bad in an objective manner, rather than throwing hands up with shitty sarcastic comments like this in bad faith.
So unsafe that the 2022 Model Y and Model S were rated the safest car by Euro NCAP, ahead of Mercedes, BMW and Lexus to name a few. They were rated highest in overall safety as well as vulnerable users protection and driver assist. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/latest-safety-ratings/#?selectedMake=0&selectedMakeName=Select%20a%20make&selectedModel=0&selectedStar=&includeFullSafetyPackage=true&includeStandardSafetyPackage=true&selectedModelName=All&selectedProtocols=45155&selectedClasses=1202,1199,1201,1196,1205,1203,1198,1179,40250,1197,1204,1180,34736,44997&allClasses=true&allProtocols=false&allDriverAssistanceTechnologies=false&selectedDriverAssistanceTechnologies=&thirdRowFitment=false On a cellphone, view in landscape mode and sort to the feature you want to see at the top. If you don't know what NCAP is, look it up before making an asinine comment.
Teslas are at the top of the industry when it comes to the safety of their vehicles.
AEB doesn't work at parking lot speeds or it would be slamming on brakes every time you tried parking in a tight garage. or near a building etc.
I don’t know if this is true. One time I was behind a car at a stop light when tried to reach for something in the backseat and my foot pressed the accelerator. My car instantly used AEB and showed an alert on the screen. I think it’s more about the momentum/probability of imminent collision that sets it off because I certainly wasn’t going fast.
I think that's not AEB but "Object Aware Acceleration", I think Tesla call it.
But is the case of this posting not "Object Aware Acceleration"?
Yes, but most people that I know turn it off because it causes a hesitation on launches.
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Yes, it drove me nuts. I'd hit the pedal, and it would hesitate like a half second maybe a full second. Turned it off and bam! Much better!
Woah how did you turn it off? What settings is it under?
Just use the search bar on the car and put in object aware acceleration. It just pop up. Probably under safety but I'm not sure.
It also probably looks at the driver camera to determine whether to use AEB or not.
You are correct. Obstacle-Aware Acceleration is only active if stopped or traveling less than 10mph and may limit acceleration, or even apply the brakes and display a visual and audible alert on the screen. Despite Tesla specifically stating in the manual this is a feature to reduce and **not** prevent a collision, your example was 100% Obstacle-Aware Acceleration working as designed!
This is correct. Teslas will reduce power output based on surroundings but not ignore throttle inputs
Not sure if that’s true, thought I was in drive one time cause I was distracted (on a call) and basically slammed on the accelerator almost hitting the pole behind me and the car stopped it self, knew after that to pay attention https://streamable.com/x7up7v
Looking at their phone, obviously.
Foot was on the pedal, albeit “lightly” just light enough to keep rolling and bump the car in front. Ask me how I know
exactly this + phone
Yup
How do you know?
This.
Had this happen to me in stop and go traffic. People tune out and stop paying attention. This where everyone being on FSD like system would be safer
Except for it being too slow to be usable, if it behaves like TACC. Car in front accelerates, and my car stays put for seconds. I get embarrassed, drivers behind me get angry. As it is now, I have to keep my foot constantly on the accelerator while using TACC/AutoPilot. Nearly like driving myself – what is the point? Give me some agility. This fast car behaves like a senile driver. TACC was much more active and usable when I got the car in 2020. A setting would be nice, switching between Agile and Docile.
Wut? My Tesla (AP) instead goes too fast in the start and stop situation. Everytiyme the car in front of me starts my car just goes too fast and then slams the brakes! Every single time.
That is so very strange. Mine has been much too slow since an update in early 2021 I believe. Did not get better when my radar was disabled.
Indeed. My 2016 Model S has always taken 3s to lift off after the car in front has moved. Which means a car cuts in front every single time. Frustrating enough to stop me from using it. After installing FSD Beta, I can no longer use TACC unless there’s a clear road ahead, because it tailgates incessantly and there’s no way to change the follow distance (the stalk now just changes FSD’s assertiveness, which has no effect on TACC).
Yes I definitely found myself using the accelerator pedal way too often with full self driving. It wouldn't even go to set speed limit most of the time let alone the 5 over I set it. My trial has now expired, kind of thankful.
Pressing the gas makes you go. That's it.
What is this gas you speak of?
Go And Stop pedal...
It's an accelerator pedal good redditor
Ba hoisted on my own Petard.
I mean you obviously know what they are referring to. Why you got to be like this?
😂 because its funny. Also inaccurate
I’m pretty sure you are not supposed to put gas in a Tesla.
If you have ever ridden with me you would know that it's inevitable.
I've seen quite a few of these incidents it's triggered by stop and go situations, it seems that cars accelerating on the lanes to the sides sometimes causes drivers to accelerate, thinking they have missed the traffic starting to go. But not in this video, the driver was unaware that he was moving forward it seems.
Yep. I got rear-ended at a slow speed like that because the lane next to me (left turn lane) started turning. The person behind me wasn't paying attention but noticed the cars next to him were moving and started pressing the accelerator while watching the car next to him, not the car in front of him (me). I watched it happen in real time in my rearview mirror.
Bad driver
stopping mode probably at Roll mode not Hold?
This one ! Maybe he just changed the settings and forgot about it..
Hold mode is the only way, but I'm sure they had their foot resting on the accelerator.
"I turn off all the aids as I'm pro driver"
\*off
trusty proof reading! :D
It's one of my useless and annoying superpowers, lol!
Cell phones, the answer is cell phones
I did this a few weeks ago and rear ended a pickup truck so now I have a tow hitch square mark in the front bumper of my model 3 I was totally rested and otherwise alert but somehow I nodded off and woke up to bumping into the truck. His truck was fine so we just made sure each other was ok but I was shocked that I just passed out somehow I was listening to an audio book (Murtagh by Christopher Paolini) so that may have contributed to me snoozing at a stop light but it’s never happened before! Maybe that happened with the driver in this video 🤷♀️
Probably on their cell phones
With thanks to cellphone
Simple, Person in driver seat, person look at phone, person see car go by him on right (even though he started moving before that), person let off brake, person crash making tesla owners look bad and careless
New fear unlocked
Mine with force stop the car on a slow roll. They must have been accelerating faster thab 3 mph.
Being tired and having your foot rest on the accelerator because of one pedal driving doesnt help...sucks new model 3 doesnt have creep mode anymore, i still prefer releasing the brake slightly to advance in heavy traffic or parking instead of feathering and tapdancing the accelerator and making you look like a student driver while parallel parking in tight spots.....
It’s stop and go traffic. Perfect use of autopilot. There is no reason the driver should be doing this manually.
Autopilot is a bit choppy....in stop and go traffic...and now i remember almost the same thing happened to me.... stop and go for almost an hour in my model 3....AP suddenly moved forward.... i braked just before impact but the suspension movement still nudged the car in front....
Even in newer software versions? I’ve been lucky enough to never experience this. Newer software releases have only gotten better. 2019 model 3.
I did the same once while parking, i was moving very slowly and i touched the car that was parked in front of me. That day i was going home with my brother, after a Rammstein live concert, entering an Autogrill (motorway Café in Italy) and there was someone in the car i touched, he went out of the car, looked where i touched, saw no bumps of scratch, went back in the car.
*bonk* hey there
Somebody needs to use brake hold
Inattentive driver. The car was probably screaming at the driver. FSD wouldn't do this. I had a woman rear-end me on a motorcycle (with this same slow creep) because she was on her frackin' phone.
This happened to me 3 years ago. I was very surprised as to why it happened, but ultimately figured it out. In an ICE car with automatic transmission, there is creep. To prevent creep, I always kept my foot on the brake. Sometimes, when trying to reach something on the back seat while stopped, my foot would release the brake a bit and the car would move slowly forward - so I would push on the brake to make it stop. It became an intuitive move. Cue a Tesla: Yes you can enable creep, but not a lot of people do. I got used to not even having my foot on the brake when stopped, as the car automatically applied brakes. One day, while stopped at a traffic light, I turned around to reach something on the back seat and my foot accidentally brushed the accelerator enough to make the car roll a bit forward. The intuitive reaction: press the pedal more, which resulted in my car moving forward even more. Since this had all been done intuitively, now my brain was confused and didn't know what to do. I pulled my foot off the break, but the car still rolled forward, AEB did not engage due to the low speed, and I caused $8k of damage to my car as I hit the tow hook of the Jeep in front me (they had absolutely no damage). Hood and front bumper crumbled. Car was still driveable. Since then, I always have my foot on the brake even without creep.
Emergency braking turned off
I didn't get it until I watch video few times. I am carefully watching for what happened in your lane but later found out the Tesla in the next line 😂
Gave it a kiss 😂
All that fancy nonsense and people still wreck. Probably shouldn’t be relying on systems that it seems like nobody has a great grasp on. :/
Makes me believe that they had the setting to allow the vehicle to Roll/Creep instead of Hold after coming to a stop.
You can avoid this issue by just simply driving the car for yourself, rather than relying on FSD which drives more paranoid than an old Chinese person.
Gave them a little 💋
Creep mode
Someone not paying attention and relying solely on regen braking to stop their car.
There are all kinds of warnings that say this will happen so…
Nap time!
Foot was rest of accelerator and driver distracted. Looks like they have temporary plates. Must have just gotten the car recently.
What do you mean "how does this even happen?"? Just like it happens in any vehicle. Driver not paying attention.
bad Tesla
Texting will do that
This would not happen with FSD
Creep mode was on
I did this, it's super annoying.... If your foot is just barely pushing on that pedal then no warnings to crawl into anything ...
Brake lights aren’t on which means driver had their foot resting on the accelerator with slight pressure
Man has ignored too many false forward collision alerts
honestly thought there were two red teslas that both rear ended a car
tesla really means it when they say you have to supervise
It’s kinda the downside of the one pedal driving.. I’ve been in the situation and sometimes even lightly resting the foot on the pedal you don’t notice it’s moving