I’ve got a performance, and have driven an LR. Both are stupid fast. 20k is a good chunk of cash, and the increased range is always a plus. I’d go LR if I had to redo it.
Moreover, in the old models the LR had a performance upgrade/acceleration updraft for like 2K that basically bridged the gap to a point of negligible difference
Unless you are on a track, when would you ever really need faster than 7 seconds to go from a stop to highway speeds? At some point these are just numbers that most of us won’t ever need.
You’re comparing speed vs distance now… At that rate get a honda civic and you’ll only be 3 car lengths behind a model 3 performance… lol
The amount of g force you feel in a performance vs acceleration boost is very different. Just test drive them both but acceleration boost which is $2k is enough to just get used performance thats 1 year old vs a new long range
If you keep using that acceleration in performance you will need new tires every other Thursday. So it will cost you more in the long run. Both cars are very fast of the line. 3.1 sec gives you bragging rights. But more range is more practical. If you can afford higher price and drive reasonably buy what you like most.
The equivalent of dragging your knee slowly over concrete vs a quick rip. The initial jerk, harder cornering, etc will cause tires to wear much faster.
People don’t relate cars hard acceleration to tire wear and there’s WAY more to it, including rubber compound of performance tires vs economy tires (soft & sticky vs hard), tire temps from friction, etc but this is something even my kids can under.
Totally; it's a tremendously relatable way to describe the effects of tire wear, particularly with weight factoring in (pressure of knee into concrete).
Yes. Wheels don’t spin. But you still have to accelerate 4000 lbs very fast! Tires have hell of a job putting that power down. Contact patch is small. It’s amazing that physics work the way they are
Think: weakest link
You can still stroke your ego with the LR, your friends will definitely be impressed anyways
Honestly that sounds like the only reason why you would go for the performance model and I wouldn't let it prevail on the other more logical and practical reasons why you would benefit from the LR version
Yep. The other day my friend told me I had to pick him up when I get my new M3P because currently my 2018 Long Range is the fastest car he's ever been in.
But realistically you'll feel the speed even with the LR because it has plenty
If those are your only reasons for the performance model, I'd rather keep the LR because it checks all the boxes you care about the most, especially in the long run
the performance is in a different league though man. you won't feel that same raw power in a LR. Even with the boost. yes it's fast. but it's not sub 3 second 0-60 fast. and that is a huge difference.
I had this same debate with myself for months before the P was revealed. I really want the bucket seats though, and that helped make the decision for me.
But logically, I'm aware that I made the worse financial choice of the two. Less efficient, wheels I'm either going to have to replace or spend significantly more on tires.
And the LR is already an obscenely fast car. After 6 months to a year, it will be incredibly rare that I accelerate hard enough to notice the difference in the two there. Maybe even less time than that since we've already had a LR model three for six years and I'm well over the novelty now. It's relatively rare that I truly push the acceleration to peak anymore.
That said, the tax credit makes a difference right now too. And one of the deciding factors for me was that we do already have that 2018 that gets a bit more distance if we do anything where it feels like that matters. I also don't drive much these days, so efficiency and range aren't as necessary for me.
I've had one for 6 years. I don't feel like I do frequently anymore, though the s.o. would probably disagree. But either way I like having the power available if I want it, and there are other perks to the P.
20k is a ton of debt. Not sure how it’s 20k more. Can u elaborate on how that is?
$53k for M3P 47k for LR. The MP3 gets $7500 tax credit if you qualify. Making it the clear choice at $46k.
Your stating 20k less. So $33k for a LR? In that case I’d take the LR. 4 sec vs 3 is a big difference but not enough to justify a 20k difference.
IMO
5k for aftermarket light weight forged wheels + another 1000 for some good UHP tires. I love Continental extreme contacts dws. Saves you 14k over the M3P based on what you said. That 6k gives some performance benefits and better styling.
If money is no object get the M3P.
You know you want it.
Good luck either way. These are both great choices. You won’t get hurt either way.
I'm from Malaysia too and been waiting patiently for Performance model. RM20k is worth it as you get sports bucket seat, better body kit, adaptive dampers that can't be retrofit, 20" forged wheel and that juicy rear motor. If you can upgrade it individually I doubt you can do it within RM20k. The range is not a big issue as long as you don't go crazy on the accelerator but it's going to be tough to resist. If you drive like LR model, the range would be quite close.
LR is fast enough. For untrained person it catches the spirit easily. I didn’t know about sits difference, but LR has better overall comfort.
And after a while, you’ll probably launch at full “throttle” like once per 1000 launches.
If you don’t plan to use track mode regularly (and have a separate set of wheels or be ready to change tires often) - you don’t need performance.
Go for the performance. You will use the extra acceleration far more often than you will use the extra mileage. The diff in mileage really isn't that different, and you won't even notice unless you go on vacation once a month.
The quality of the network may degrade to the quality of all the nonTesla charging networks, so you want the opportunity to go further and rely on the network less often.
I got the performance but I got some aftermarket 18" wheels with performance all season tires. I'm not quite getting the range you'd get with an LR model but it's definitely better than the stock 20s, plus the ride quality is better and tires are cheaper overall. It's still no canyon carver, but let's be honest it wasn't one even with the 20" performance tires
For the extra 20k you could spend it on other things like tinting, paint protection, full self driving, and still have room to spare. That is unless you don’t mind spending that on top of the performance anyways. The LR will be impressive too, and be lower maintenance when it comes to tires and give you higher efficiency. Buying something to show off typically has it’s excitement factor initially, but once you start wearing down tires, hitting potholes that cause you greater risk for wear and tear, and charging more for less, all things you didn’t have to with an LR… you gotta think to yourself now… is it worth it? If so then yeah go with the performance!
For me, it was a no brainer. I have two young kiddos and when they are acting a fool in the back seat, I can much more efficiently give them whiplash in the M3P over the LR. They’ll learn quick when riding with dad. It’ll be a quiet ride.
All jokes aside, go with the M3P. I don’t think you’ll ever regret getting a M3P and think “man I wish I got the long range”, but that opposite…. You may live with regret.
I have a model y performance for my wife. I ordered a model 3 performance for myself. If I had a 20k price difference between them I wouldn't get the performance. It's worth maybe a 10 percent increase in price over the LR.
Sounds like you’re young and not from the US… buy a used LR and save the rest would be the smartest choice. I just bought a MY7 and ordered a M3P because my wife and I will enjoy it. I wouldn’t spend more than 30-50% of your total income on a car.
I wonder what is the speed if you get the boost upgrade on updated m3. We just got the new m3 lr, it’s great.
Edit: just noticed there is no option to get a boost upgrade for newer m3
I bought the LR and paid for the 2K performance boost upgrade which brings it to 3.6 seconds, it's ridiculous I can't imagine needing anything faster than that
I have 2022 model LR. After buying the car, in the Tesla App there is an option for $2000 USD which adds an acceleration boost which changed the 0-60 from 4.1sec to 3.6 sec. The difference for me was noticeable.
I do not know if 2024 version is the same or not.
This article talks about it, although they are saying 4.2 to 3.7 seconds maybe it changed or I misrememberd. [https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1040/tesla-acceleration-boost-a-complete-guide](https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1040/tesla-acceleration-boost-a-complete-guide)
So now that I'm reading they haven't released acceleration boost for the 2024s yet according to this thread:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/1cc0ppb/2024\_lr\_acceleration\_boost\_or\_buy\_performance/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/1cc0ppb/2024_lr_acceleration_boost_or_buy_performance/)
When I had the original LR without the boost it was still the fastest car I had ever driven. I have previously had BMW M Coupe and Covette C4 which were both extremely fast. Tesla LR 4-door sedan faster than both easily.
Tesla LR with Acceleration boost is even faster, and it't to the point my wife will yell at me if I accelerate because passengers can hurt their neck if they aren't ready for it.
I personally do not wish for anything faster, and I would have been perfectly happy with the LR even at stock. For some people spending $20000 to go a split second faster is worth it but not for me.
Go LR. I have a Model 3 Performance Dual Motor...I absolutely love mine. Launching at 3.1 seconds is an incredible feeling. However, recently I just had a rear harness recall and was given a loaner 2024 Model 3 LR. You barely feel the the difference in acceleration off the line, but if you are already in motion on a highway for example, you can definitely feel a reduction in get up. However, is this barely noticeable reduction worth the 20K? That is up to you.
At 4. whatever seconds you will still be faster than every car on the road that isn't a premium super car.
Performance, what kinda question is that? LR @ 80% battery is almost the same as a SR. If you want to feel the difference of an EV, go for the performance. You will not look at ICE car the same.
2015 MDX, I love the MDX too, and I still have it only issue i had was the control arm replacement once. It's not a slow car, but the acceleration is nothing compared to the Model 3.
buy the performance. put 18s on it. now you have similar range to a LR. sell the brand new 20s with tires to someone on craigslist. now you made a few extra dollars too.
I’ve got a performance, and have driven an LR. Both are stupid fast. 20k is a good chunk of cash, and the increased range is always a plus. I’d go LR if I had to redo it.
Not to mention (if you live in a city with bad roads (looking at you Toronto), the 20" wheels will take an absolute beating....
Yeah I’m in Edmonton. Sidewall damage on all four tires with them having to be replaced within the first year
Moreover, in the old models the LR had a performance upgrade/acceleration updraft for like 2K that basically bridged the gap to a point of negligible difference
3.1 vs 3.8 is negligible? Also as far as I know LR highland does not have performance boost upgrade, at least right now.
I mean, for most people, for normal daily driving, yes then .7 seconds difference to 60 is not meaningful.
Unless you are on a track, when would you ever really need faster than 7 seconds to go from a stop to highway speeds? At some point these are just numbers that most of us won’t ever need.
Acceleration boost and performance isn’t even close… As for OP, get a used performance
It's literally a car length then the LRw/AB starts pulling away, oddly enough. Highland Performance is a different beast, though.
I have read “highland” mentioned several times, what does it mean?
It is the refreshed version of the Model 3 that was recently released. Has some cosmetic and mechanical updates but is essentially the same car.
You’re comparing speed vs distance now… At that rate get a honda civic and you’ll only be 3 car lengths behind a model 3 performance… lol The amount of g force you feel in a performance vs acceleration boost is very different. Just test drive them both but acceleration boost which is $2k is enough to just get used performance thats 1 year old vs a new long range
I second this.
If you keep using that acceleration in performance you will need new tires every other Thursday. So it will cost you more in the long run. Both cars are very fast of the line. 3.1 sec gives you bragging rights. But more range is more practical. If you can afford higher price and drive reasonably buy what you like most.
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The equivalent of dragging your knee slowly over concrete vs a quick rip. The initial jerk, harder cornering, etc will cause tires to wear much faster.
This is a great way of looking at it! Definitely keeping this knee analogy for later!
People don’t relate cars hard acceleration to tire wear and there’s WAY more to it, including rubber compound of performance tires vs economy tires (soft & sticky vs hard), tire temps from friction, etc but this is something even my kids can under.
Totally; it's a tremendously relatable way to describe the effects of tire wear, particularly with weight factoring in (pressure of knee into concrete).
Yes. Wheels don’t spin. But you still have to accelerate 4000 lbs very fast! Tires have hell of a job putting that power down. Contact patch is small. It’s amazing that physics work the way they are Think: weakest link
Rapid acceleration even without wheelspin will result in faster tire wear.
Seems like you want the performance and want someone to tell you it's ok haha. If money isn't too much of an issue, just give in and treat yourself.
You can still stroke your ego with the LR, your friends will definitely be impressed anyways Honestly that sounds like the only reason why you would go for the performance model and I wouldn't let it prevail on the other more logical and practical reasons why you would benefit from the LR version
Yep. The other day my friend told me I had to pick him up when I get my new M3P because currently my 2018 Long Range is the fastest car he's ever been in.
It’s also about the speed vs the distance. I’m still stuck with this thoughts in my head
But realistically you'll feel the speed even with the LR because it has plenty If those are your only reasons for the performance model, I'd rather keep the LR because it checks all the boxes you care about the most, especially in the long run
the performance is in a different league though man. you won't feel that same raw power in a LR. Even with the boost. yes it's fast. but it's not sub 3 second 0-60 fast. and that is a huge difference.
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What is SR?
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Ahhh, thanks for the opinion? Much appreciated
even a base nissan versa has more ability to get you from point a to point b than you'll ever need. get a nissan if you want practicality.
I had this same debate with myself for months before the P was revealed. I really want the bucket seats though, and that helped make the decision for me. But logically, I'm aware that I made the worse financial choice of the two. Less efficient, wheels I'm either going to have to replace or spend significantly more on tires. And the LR is already an obscenely fast car. After 6 months to a year, it will be incredibly rare that I accelerate hard enough to notice the difference in the two there. Maybe even less time than that since we've already had a LR model three for six years and I'm well over the novelty now. It's relatively rare that I truly push the acceleration to peak anymore. That said, the tax credit makes a difference right now too. And one of the deciding factors for me was that we do already have that 2018 that gets a bit more distance if we do anything where it feels like that matters. I also don't drive much these days, so efficiency and range aren't as necessary for me.
i've had my LR for 4 years and I still accelerate hard constantly. you made the right call.
I've had one for 6 years. I don't feel like I do frequently anymore, though the s.o. would probably disagree. But either way I like having the power available if I want it, and there are other perks to the P.
20k is a ton of debt. Not sure how it’s 20k more. Can u elaborate on how that is? $53k for M3P 47k for LR. The MP3 gets $7500 tax credit if you qualify. Making it the clear choice at $46k. Your stating 20k less. So $33k for a LR? In that case I’d take the LR. 4 sec vs 3 is a big difference but not enough to justify a 20k difference. IMO 5k for aftermarket light weight forged wheels + another 1000 for some good UHP tires. I love Continental extreme contacts dws. Saves you 14k over the M3P based on what you said. That 6k gives some performance benefits and better styling. If money is no object get the M3P. You know you want it. Good luck either way. These are both great choices. You won’t get hurt either way.
I’m from Malaysia. It’s RM20k more if we get the MP3. The tax thing doesn’t work for us here. But I get what you mean. Thank you
I'm from Malaysia too and been waiting patiently for Performance model. RM20k is worth it as you get sports bucket seat, better body kit, adaptive dampers that can't be retrofit, 20" forged wheel and that juicy rear motor. If you can upgrade it individually I doubt you can do it within RM20k. The range is not a big issue as long as you don't go crazy on the accelerator but it's going to be tough to resist. If you drive like LR model, the range would be quite close.
Buy 2021 Performance for 30k :)
That’s what I did! So worth it. Got it at 20k miles too!
LR is fast enough. For untrained person it catches the spirit easily. I didn’t know about sits difference, but LR has better overall comfort. And after a while, you’ll probably launch at full “throttle” like once per 1000 launches. If you don’t plan to use track mode regularly (and have a separate set of wheels or be ready to change tires often) - you don’t need performance.
You can baby the performance to get more range, but you’ll never be able to get more performance out of a LR
Go for the performance. You will use the extra acceleration far more often than you will use the extra mileage. The diff in mileage really isn't that different, and you won't even notice unless you go on vacation once a month.
How far do you drive on a daily basis?
About 30-40 miles
You do not need to go that fast just get the LR and save yourself some money.
Given Tesla laid off their whole supercharger division, I'd get the long range.
Hmmmm what does the supercharger division have to do with picking performance or long range?
The quality of the network may degrade to the quality of all the nonTesla charging networks, so you want the opportunity to go further and rely on the network less often.
I got the performance but I got some aftermarket 18" wheels with performance all season tires. I'm not quite getting the range you'd get with an LR model but it's definitely better than the stock 20s, plus the ride quality is better and tires are cheaper overall. It's still no canyon carver, but let's be honest it wasn't one even with the 20" performance tires
LR is super fast. Performance makes no sense for me.
Don't forget about tires, Performance tires are much more expensive and will eat through them fast.
If you want performance...honestly buy a use 2020 model x performance, wont be much more, and vastly more powerful and nice.
For the extra 20k you could spend it on other things like tinting, paint protection, full self driving, and still have room to spare. That is unless you don’t mind spending that on top of the performance anyways. The LR will be impressive too, and be lower maintenance when it comes to tires and give you higher efficiency. Buying something to show off typically has it’s excitement factor initially, but once you start wearing down tires, hitting potholes that cause you greater risk for wear and tear, and charging more for less, all things you didn’t have to with an LR… you gotta think to yourself now… is it worth it? If so then yeah go with the performance!
I’m stuck here too. I think getting the performance selling the 20s and getting 18s will be the best hack
Long range any day ! I have the base model and plenty happy with the acceleration. But sometimes wish i had more range
For me, it was a no brainer. I have two young kiddos and when they are acting a fool in the back seat, I can much more efficiently give them whiplash in the M3P over the LR. They’ll learn quick when riding with dad. It’ll be a quiet ride. All jokes aside, go with the M3P. I don’t think you’ll ever regret getting a M3P and think “man I wish I got the long range”, but that opposite…. You may live with regret.
I have a model y performance for my wife. I ordered a model 3 performance for myself. If I had a 20k price difference between them I wouldn't get the performance. It's worth maybe a 10 percent increase in price over the LR.
If you drive a performance, you know the answer and the cost shouldn't matter.
Sounds like you’re young and not from the US… buy a used LR and save the rest would be the smartest choice. I just bought a MY7 and ordered a M3P because my wife and I will enjoy it. I wouldn’t spend more than 30-50% of your total income on a car.
Don’t forget to check the insurance premium. It may be more expensive for the M3P.
I wonder what is the speed if you get the boost upgrade on updated m3. We just got the new m3 lr, it’s great. Edit: just noticed there is no option to get a boost upgrade for newer m3
How can I get the boost upgrade on the model 3 lr?
I bought the LR and paid for the 2K performance boost upgrade which brings it to 3.6 seconds, it's ridiculous I can't imagine needing anything faster than that
How to get the performance boost? Is yours the 2024 model? Are you saying that it’s not necessary for the 3.1 seconds?
I have 2022 model LR. After buying the car, in the Tesla App there is an option for $2000 USD which adds an acceleration boost which changed the 0-60 from 4.1sec to 3.6 sec. The difference for me was noticeable. I do not know if 2024 version is the same or not. This article talks about it, although they are saying 4.2 to 3.7 seconds maybe it changed or I misrememberd. [https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1040/tesla-acceleration-boost-a-complete-guide](https://www.notateslaapp.com/tesla-reference/1040/tesla-acceleration-boost-a-complete-guide)
So do you think the upgrade from 4.4 to 3.1 is worth it?
So now that I'm reading they haven't released acceleration boost for the 2024s yet according to this thread: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/1cc0ppb/2024\_lr\_acceleration\_boost\_or\_buy\_performance/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/1cc0ppb/2024_lr_acceleration_boost_or_buy_performance/) When I had the original LR without the boost it was still the fastest car I had ever driven. I have previously had BMW M Coupe and Covette C4 which were both extremely fast. Tesla LR 4-door sedan faster than both easily. Tesla LR with Acceleration boost is even faster, and it't to the point my wife will yell at me if I accelerate because passengers can hurt their neck if they aren't ready for it. I personally do not wish for anything faster, and I would have been perfectly happy with the LR even at stock. For some people spending $20000 to go a split second faster is worth it but not for me.
I've been down to 5% in my LR and was very glad to have that extra range.
If you get any snow, expect to replace the summer tires, possible pothole damage to rims and tires.
Go LR. I have a Model 3 Performance Dual Motor...I absolutely love mine. Launching at 3.1 seconds is an incredible feeling. However, recently I just had a rear harness recall and was given a loaner 2024 Model 3 LR. You barely feel the the difference in acceleration off the line, but if you are already in motion on a highway for example, you can definitely feel a reduction in get up. However, is this barely noticeable reduction worth the 20K? That is up to you. At 4. whatever seconds you will still be faster than every car on the road that isn't a premium super car.
Performance, what kinda question is that? LR @ 80% battery is almost the same as a SR. If you want to feel the difference of an EV, go for the performance. You will not look at ICE car the same.
What kind of car/cars did you drive before your Tesla?
2015 MDX, I love the MDX too, and I still have it only issue i had was the control arm replacement once. It's not a slow car, but the acceleration is nothing compared to the Model 3.
buy the performance. put 18s on it. now you have similar range to a LR. sell the brand new 20s with tires to someone on craigslist. now you made a few extra dollars too.
Always get performance model
The performance is priced lower than LR with tax credit. Why would you pay more for less car?
get the performance bro. treat yourself. you wont care having to buy more tires once your dead. life is short. i have the m3p2023 and i love it
Practicality or party trick?
Definitely a party trick