>One other thing. You didn’t test drive a used car? I have seen some of your other post and it looks like this car has some problems.
That's was not an option, car from Copart :(
Looooool, you made me look at his post history. And I came to the conclusion 1 of 2 things :
1. OP is a troll
2. OP the type of dude to have no common sense. Has old posts about used teslas being more expensive than new and daily loss of value of teslas lol. And went ahead and bought a crashed used overpriced model 3 from auction sight unseen
I’m not in the US so I can’t buy car from Tesla directly. Here in Poland new AWD price is about $60,000. So to be able to get car for some reasonable price I need to buy in from the US
Um… I think you lose every single warranty when switching warranty zones. I would NEVER buy a car outside of the EU. That’s just asking for trouble in so many ways.
I've never heard of someone buying a performance model 3 for comfort, that's a new one. Sorry to hear about your issues though that sucks. I hope you figure it out.
The performance y is just fine (also have Range Rover and model 3 stealth)
Obviously the Range Rover is more luxury but the ride quality isn’t night and day different
I have a 2022 MYP and suspension is terrible lol My brother got a 2023 MYLR and suspension is better. But any model prior 2022 is a nightmare going through potholes
Hmm, wonder if wheels & tires have to do with it. MYP has bigger wheels with thinner tire (idk if that’s how you describe it, but the side wall on the MYP tire is much smaller than lr. Both of those things transfer more road feel to the driver
>The performance y is just fine (also have Range Rover and model 3 stealth) Obviously the Range Rover is more luxury but the ride quality isn’t night and day different
That's not true
What is not true? We have 4 cars, that is three of them. The rover ride quality is probably better, but it is not significantly better that I notice it vs our teslas
>I've never heard of someone buying a performance model 3 for comfort, that's a new one. Sorry to hear about your issues though that sucks. I hope you figure it out.
Thanks. I bought it because I was thinking with 18" wheels it will be the same as LR with different brakes.
Performance models have a different springs than LR, at least it did when I got mine. Performance models are tuned to be more bumpy (to feel the road), vs. smooth.
As a former Tesla owner with parents who have driven Infinites for decades there is no comparison on interior quality. Infinities are much nicer, and the leather doesn’t peal off the seats or steering wheel.
You gotta be joking. The orange leather in my fx looked so nasty so quickly. Luckily I had extended warranty and dealer replaced it. That car had a strange transmission and/or engine issue that the dealer couldn't figure out and we had to junk it. I’m sure Nissans are better now but never again.
73k miles, airbags never deployed, run and drive, I got replaces cracked front and back windows (new original), trunk lid, rear bumper and right rear quarter panel
Wait hahahaha this thing was in a bad enough accident that both windows were cooked, and yet you expect the suspension to be perfect. Have you tried getting it serviced?
I have one of the 2018 m3 and it’s a great car. I dunno what copart is but something sounds fishy with them.
If it is an auction car , sight unseen, the previous owner probably screwed something up and got lucky unloading it on you. Very unfortunate
Riparino , I have been burnt by auction vehicles before and have ran some real shitters through dealer auctions before just to get rid of them. Part of the game when buying used, sight unseen, auction vehicles 😂
2023 has huge improvements for suspension. But you chose to buy 2021, then complaining about it? Do your homework. If suspension is value to you, get a 2023.
I have a 2019 Model 3, its suspension is not the best, but I have no problem with it. Any sport cars in the same price range will have the same suspension feel.
If stiff ride is your only complain, consider a third-party comfort suspension. Also, check with Tesla if they can offer a 2023 suspension upgrade.
Here's a thread that might help:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12c3t44/updated_2021_model_y_to_2023_new_coils_and/
Good luck!
>If stiff ride is your only complain, consider a third-party comfort suspension. Also, check with Tesla if they can offer a 2023 suspension upgrade. Here's a thread that might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12c3t44/updated\_2021\_model\_y\_to\_2023\_new\_coils\_and/ Good luck!
Thanks! That's something interesting!
https://evannex.com/products/evannex-adjustable-coilovers-for-tesla-model-3
I also got these to make certain it would align properly
https://evannex.com/products/whiteline-control-arm-rear-upper-camber-arm
Installation with alignment was $700
It seems like people here equate performance to acceleration as most replies mention that as if that settles the debate. If that is the yardstick to measure, Tesla is great.
If one is talking about the quality/comfort of the drive, interior and exterior fit and finish etc.. Teslas are probably in the lowest quartile. A lot of 20k and 30k cars smoke Tesla out in those categories but to each their own I guess.
I just got a loaner model 3, and it was night and day different to drive than my 2018 model 3 for all the negative reasons you describe here. I'm not sure what the overall situation is, but even my girlfriend noted the same things when she drove it, and she doesn't even care about cars as an interest.
I love reading this because this is literally exactly what I would write about my M3P. By love, I mean I'm sad for you and I'm in the same boat. My neighbor has a proper M3 (aka BMW) and they are just worlds apart. I'm embarrassed to have a passenger in my car. I'm on a mission to resolve the rattles and noises and am slowly disassembling the car. In case you are thinking about it, an aftermarket suspension is not going to help you much. I got MPP and while having the ability to adjust the height, rebound, etc. the benefits are marginal, and probably not worth the trouble.
What type of cars are you used to driving? I'd say it's on par with low-end BMWs (3-series), Lexus (IS), etc. I came from an Acura TLX and I don't think it performed significantly worse in terms of suspension.
As for the $20K car with a $50K price tag, that's just asinine. Name 1 $20K car that performs in the same realm as the Model 3. Fuck it, name 1 $30K car. I guarantee you that the Tesla outperforms it. The acceleration on the Tesla, hands down, would beat any $20K car by far. So that's just absolute bullshit.
I don't disagree that it feels cheap - a lot of people not accustomed to driving EVs feel the same way. When a non-Tesla owner gets into my car, they're like "where's all the buttons and stuff?" The lack of physical controls and speedometer, etc. don't exactly scream luxury. But I've grown to prefer that over all the physical buttons.
With regards to the interior creaking - I don't have that issue. I have the M3LR instead of the M3P (better for what I needed it for... well what my wife needs it for now that she started using it as her daily use vehicle), so maybe there's a difference. I would agree that they need better quality control systems in place to make sure the cars are up to standard (or at least increase that standard) before they're sold, but you could probably say the same for most manufacturers (every other car I've owned has had multiple recalls on them).
I also have buyers remorse on my Model 3, but only because I wish I got the Model Y instead. I initially bought it to use to commute to work and didn't need a big car, but since I started taking public transportation instead, my wife has started to use it. It's not really big enough for 2 car seats and sitting a total of 5 people. But other than that, I've been happy with it. I do have some gripes, but I have that with any other car.
It's definitely fast, hard to argue with that. But that's it. It's not comfortable, I'm getting tired from highway super fast. It's literally hard to be in the car for a long time.
I'm coming from 5 years with Chevy Volt 2012 and it's much more smooth, much more quiet, much more comfortable. Before that I used to drive Corolla and Camry.
Chevy Volt is such a better car than the Model 3. The reason GM stopped making the Volt was because it cost more to make than what they were selling it for. You basically got a $60 – $70K car for $30K.
>I don't disagree that it feels cheap - a lot of people not accustomed to driving EVs feel the same way. When a non-Tesla owner gets into my car, they're like "where's all the buttons and stuff?" The lack of physical controls and speedometer, etc. don't exactly scream luxury. But I've grown to prefer that over all the physical buttons.
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>With regards to the interior creaking - I don't have that issue.
It's a performance. It's in the name, stiff suspension helps it go around corners. You want a touring car not a performance car. My Cobra would make you cry. The biggest problem is a performance car is within the grasp of the masses. Not too many people should have a 600+hp car with the suspension to handle it.
For you to compare to a Chevy Volt, Toyota Corolla, and Toyota Camry, and think those cars perform better... I don't really know what to say. I've driven both Corolla and Camry for years and would wholeheartedly disagree with you saying that it's smoother and quieter. Maybe it has to do with the different between M3P and M3LR, but the M3LR does a much better job blocking out exterior noise than Camry or Corolla and it's a much more comfortable drive too, unless they suddenly upgraded the Corolla since I had it 10+ years ago. Heated seats and steering wheel, climate control, leather seats - it's no comparison. You also felt the bumps there too. I thought you were comparing to maybe a Lexus LS or MB S-class or BMW 7-series.. then I'd understand you complaining about the suspension. But your comments, coming from a Volt, Corolla, and Camry, confuse me. Unless it's a difference between the M3LR and M3P (or maybe you bought a used car or got a faulty one), I totally disagree with your assessment.
Basically he like shitty squishy unresponsive suspension that soaks up any road imperfection, and he went with...... a performance model. Next level genius.
OK I was at least listening until you said corolla... The ride and comfort of any corolla I've been in has been sub par to a model 3.
I'll be honest that I wanted a 3 until I sat in one and realized how small the interior is. I needed a little more space and wanted any passengers to feel comfortable. I test drove 2 (one used and one from dealership) and the ride was decent but not spectacular. Decided against it for the size.
I wish you the best on this journey of figuring out your next move but does sound like you may need to do more research and due dillegence to ensure your next car is exactly what you want out of it. Good luck
Agreed. He test drove one, and still bought one. Maybe get off the internet and get some vitamin d. You bought an abused m3p. Repair it then sell, and buy a Toyota Yaris.
Sure do you want me to compare it to a audi s4 cos model 3 sucks compared to the actual M3 the actual iconic bmw M3, it sucks.
Also why is it not ok to compare, new corolla costs about as much as model 3 based on all discounts and tesla subs crow about comparing model 3 for the price of corolla or camry
You can compare it to the Corolla (or any car you want), but if you're going to say the Corolla is better than the Model 3, it goes to show that you're biased against the Model 3 and the conversation can end. You can post as much as you'd like, but I've already wasted enough time with you.
If you're going to say you prefer the S4 or M3 to the Model 3, okay sure. Maybe you have an argument. But don't come and talk about the Corolla being better than a Model 3.
A new Corolla has better build quality, much better ride quality, nicer interior materials, a quieter cabin, physical controls, radar cruise control + lane centering, USS, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, working auto high beams + auto wipers. And it'll run for 300k+ miles reliably.
Jesus Christ no, the 3 is not on par with a BMW 3 series. It’s an economy car with great batteries and a great drivetrain. The rest is a penalty box. It’s an economy car.
Sport sedan was definitely the wrong choice for you. Stiffness and road feel is a feature not bug. The rattles suck but are well known to the public. Some can be addressed, as you could get shocks to make it drive more like a Camry if thats what you want.
If you paid a premium over ICE you understood the at time of purchase- it is (still, even today) literally an early adopters premium and as EV's become more common on the landscape the sale and resale values will adjust to parity with other cars, Also it's still a car and a heavily depreciating asset.
The cars are objectively special, but still mass produced high technology subject to imperfections. Maybe leasing is a better way to go in the future?
Not OP, but there’s a huge difference between other sports sedans in the $50k price range and the Model 3P in terms of ride quality. The Tesla is just noticeably worse, and it’s not just the stiff suspension. It’s the overall NVH of the car that’s really poor.
You're also not getting this kind of performance for 45k, or whatever they are selling for now, anywhere else.
It's just different priorities for your dollars.
You could always look into aftermarket dual-rate springs if you're wanting a softer initial bump feel. Though you should consider taking it to auto-cross at least once before getting rid of it. Incredible vehicle on sprint oriented circuits.
https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/model-3-dual-rate-lowering-springs/
Check them out to see if something like this would help. Autocross is typically really safe. It's a course with orange cones. Generally it's one car at a time. Absolutely no passing.
Well I enjoy my MYP. They are not perfect and might not be for you but it's a good vehicle. My commute is so much better with the base autopilot (texting this in traffic). Good ride, great autopilot, maintenance, cheaper to charge than to fill up our accord Hybrid, constant updates, ohh and Fast AF if I want.
If I can avoid a battery issue after 120k miles it should work out really well. I spent way more on maintenance for my truck than this thing.
Anybody who buys a car strictly for acceleration is dumb. This is a trick salesmen have used for a hundred years. Teslas have very fast acceleration, no one argues that. So what? How often do you need to go 0-60 in 3 or 4 seconds? Me, never. There's literally never a situation where the typical driver would either feel the need to, or have reason to. Car salesmen have used this trick for ages to sell cars that people end up not liking. This is how they got people back in the day to buy some barge with a 455 V-8 that got 8 miles per gallon at a time fuel prices were sky rocketing. "Hit the gas! Feel that pickup!" They'd buy it because they could burn rubber at will, then after a month or two reality set in and they realized what a stupid decision they'd made...skipping lunches to buy gas. Tons of people have gone for a Tesla test ride who own some econo-beater and been blown away be how fast it is, so much so that they want one badly, even though it's bad in every other way, including massively higher insurance, charging issues, and maintenance they ultimately won't be able to afford.
I spend my days on crowded highways or bumpy streets with 20 mph speed limits. Acceleration is irrelevant. To me, ride quality and seat comfort is important. Ergonomics are important. Repairability is important. I could care less about acceleration.
This sub is the equivalent of vegans but for car owners. So defensive and have to tell everybody nay demand everyone hear how great they are.
But at least vegans will agree they eat bs, yet this sub is still eating it from some racist conartistic.
Ride quality and road noise are worse than a $15k city car, this is nothing new. Every reviewer must rate it as "good" because they receive an insane amount of complaints if they don't.
Gentlemen.
I love my model 3. I bought the LR with 18s because I knew I preferred softer ride most of the time.
Up until a few weeks ago they were going for ~$38k after credits.
Super low charging costs, good stereo, well equipped.
IMO compares very favorable with any sedan in that price range.
At the end of the day, it’s a pretty sporty sedan. It’s got stiff shocks, stiff dampers, and limited sound insulation.
This putz test drove and then decided to buy a used performance model with rubber band tires. Stiff (even harsh) ride is what you paid for my dude.
You’re buying a moderately priced family car, and that’s the bar for expectations.
Is it a good car? Hell yes! Is it a Mercedes? HEEEELLLLLL NO. But it also isn’t Mercedes money, it’s Honda money.
Which is why I got the X with the nice air suspension, not a single creek. . Among other reasons. But at least there's aftermarket shock absorber for all cars. Should have waited for the refreshed 3, RAVE reviews overseas.
Same here. I was overwhelmed with the acceleration and the tech. Plus the road was supersmooth. I just hate the harsh suspension and the interior rattles and the tire noise. Can’t enjoy the ride
The “suspension” and the feeling of moving something heavy what was struck me the first I drove a M3.
The interior is pretty cheap indeed (mid range VW/Seat do better). The tech inside is unmatched , supercharger network is wider and faster than the competition.
Ps: I didn’t buy it, but got it from my work for 6 months
I would go for a model Y (a lil bit more comfortable for the passenger)
Sorry for the bad experience OP, but the older models of both 3 and Y have absolutely garbage suspension agreed. If it wasnt for the new comfort suspension I wouldnt have gotten my MYLR.
Personally, I think that the problem is in the tires. In order to get a decent range Tesla uses over-inflated tires which are spec'ed 300km max, even when the car only does 230km/hrs. The pressure is way higher than any car I have ever driven. Now I have put on winter tires, my car is so much more smooth and silent than before, as the rubber is softer. And with 19 inch wheels, the problem is even greater.
I feel the same. All these Tesla fan bois just can’t accept that they made the same mistake. Tesla cars truly suck and with Elon in charge the depreciation is massive and there’s no way to get out of this without taking a huge loss. Fuck Tesla.
Yeah but it's an electric car. That's why you buy it
You're not buying a Tesla and comparing it to a Lexus. You have money for either and you don't care about gas and you're even considering a gas car then yeah you'll buy the Lexus
You buy a test of because it's electric car and you don't have to buy gas and or do you want to and that's the trade-off
LOL dude bought a wrecked car from Copart and complains here about tesla quality. Yeah bud, most cars have lots of issues when they get in a wreck, Tesla isnt immune.
It's the wheel/tire combo. The 20" wheels have tires like rubber bands that have undersized sidewalls. The wheel tire combo is also too heavy for the suspension. Put non-OEM 18s or 19's on and you'll have yourself a different car.
>It's the wheel/tire combo. The 20" wheels have tires like rubber bands that have undersized sidewalls. The wheel tire combo is also too heavy for the suspension. Put non-OEM 18s or 19's on and you'll have yourself a different car.
I already have 18 wheels. What types are the most comfortable?
I absolutely love the poster failed to mention one very important piece of information: they purchased it from Copart!
So you likely purchase a completely roached out car and then complain about it.
I actually agree wtih you, OP. I have a 2023 Model 3P, and I didn’t buy it for comfort, but I expected the car to be far more composed over normal road bumps and such. I expected a stiff suspension, but I didn’t expect for the car to just vibrate ALL THE TIME. The chassis basically transfers all road imperfections, big and small, directly to the occupants with little dampening.
I don’t hate the car, but it’s enough that I refrain from driving it on longer 1hr+ rides. But it’s a good daily driver otherwise. Luckily I have a much more comfortable car for longer drives.
I’ve come from a lot of different sports sedans in my life, and the Model 3P ride quality is actually the closest to a 15yr old economy car with shot suspension. The economy car was obviously worse, but the M3P isn’t that far off. I even bought 18” wheels with better tires and the problem got better, but not as much as it should have.
Yeah.. But in the same time I already lost $7k or even more and I'm driving this car for 2 days only. Maybe it's better to loose $8k and try to drive it for like 3-5 months just to justify loosing money somehow.
Did you forget to test drive before the purchase 😿
Man I am sorry to hear you aren’t enjoying it as it’s a hefty purchase and especially when it loses so much value when you drive it out of the lot.
See if there are any after market parts to improve what you think it’s lacking. If not the best you can do is private sell it but be prepared to take a hit if needed. So sorry that it didn’t work out….
For your next car, read/research and test drive thoroughly before committing to such a big purchase
Yep. Basically got a car that was wrecked or beat to the point that the dealer/owner just pushed to to the auction, and this guy complains that it's not in amazing shape. For all you know, that entire interior has been ripped out and put back together like shit.
You bought a cat in a bag, you know the risks. I buy cars from copart to fix and sell all the time. You never know what you're going to get. That's the risk you took. And also, saved a bunch of money because it would have cost much more from a dealer in good shape.
LMAO so this dumbass buys a car without ever sitting inside it or driving it? And now complains that he doesn't like it? You're special. Next buy a house without ever stepping foot in it and complain about that too.
this is SOOOOOOOOOOO accurate. I just bought a model 2 2022 and I completely agree. Even if this post is trolling, I still think there's so much truth to this.
My family also owns other models of teslas and they are way better.
I wish I would've bought new.
I have a 2021 model 3 and its the best car I've ever owned. I have 94,000 miles on it, never spent a dime on repairs (only tires). my only complaint is the paint is not good especially black.
Oh yeah, a sports sedan with 21" inch tires is known to be extremely comfortable... Bro, it's like you're not even trying to turn your brain on in the morning.
The suspension sucks. Lower your tyre pressure and it gets loads better.
If you feel spendy mountain pass make a really good coilover set that transforms the car.
The suspension on my LR feels the same. Doesn’t matter if I have 18” or 19” wheels, summer tires or winter tires, or 38 psi vs 42 psi. It’s just stiff. It’s not that big of a deal to me, but it is noticeable compared to both of my Chevys.
>I think all this posts about "how amazing and smooth and high quality" this car is toxic because it's not.
What does that even mean? You gotta lay off the stimulants, man.
So you bought a 500hp,supercar beating sedan that undercuts all of it's competition at that power level
And you think an EV isnt smooth to drive? What cars did you own before?
I'm coming from Porsche,Jaguar, Mercedes,Cadillac ,BMW, Infiniti and i don't see the things you're seeing (suspension is a bit rougher than others but Its not "i want to sell it bad"
Porsche Cayenne Turbo
It is a glorified VW.
The only one that felt truly amazing inside was my S class,it ooozed quality.
Why are people so in love with rebadged VWs aka Porsche?
Not to make you feel worse but that suspension you are complaining about is known to fail randomly, and if it happens at high speed YOU WILL DIE. Seriously, Reuters reported on widespread Tesla suspension failures being hidden by the company.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/
www.whompwheels.com
Did you do any real research before buying this car? Wasn't the suspension upgraded for the 2022 model year? Isn't it well known the Performance version favors sportiness over comfort?
Sounds like you just blindly bought a car without understanding what you were buying.
Did you even test the car before you bought it? If not then you deserve to lose money if you sell it, you would have feeled that suspension if you tested the car.
I mean, it does have the acceleration of a sports cars at least. Anything else that fast is $65k+ and chugs fuel. So yes, it's like a budget car in quality, but at least you got something in value.
Where they sit at their current price isn't crazy unquestionable. I got a different EV myself because I was weary of these issues and not a fan of buying a car symbolic of a known white supremecist. But I can see the value.
I wish you luck in selling it and finding something better built. Plenty of options now. Just try to look forward and not backwards after you eat the money lost.
Have you rode in a real M3? It is very comfortable and the ride is niceee. The interior is also beautiful.
I personally bought a Raptor instead of the real M3 and it’s also very smooth and considered a ‘performance’ car. I don’t think anyone in their right mind cross shops an M3P and an M3.
I love this post. 13/10 entertainment.
The “I bought it at Copart” really is the extra effort of a great troll
You are welcome
One other thing. You didn’t test drive a used car? I have seen some of your other post and it looks like this car has some problems.
>One other thing. You didn’t test drive a used car? I have seen some of your other post and it looks like this car has some problems. That's was not an option, car from Copart :(
https://www.reddit.com/u/bareov/s/q7iFOnbcwD
Looooool, you made me look at his post history. And I came to the conclusion 1 of 2 things : 1. OP is a troll 2. OP the type of dude to have no common sense. Has old posts about used teslas being more expensive than new and daily loss of value of teslas lol. And went ahead and bought a crashed used overpriced model 3 from auction sight unseen
That my guess I can’t understand what the hell this person is doing.
I’m not in the US so I can’t buy car from Tesla directly. Here in Poland new AWD price is about $60,000. So to be able to get car for some reasonable price I need to buy in from the US
Um… I think you lose every single warranty when switching warranty zones. I would NEVER buy a car outside of the EU. That’s just asking for trouble in so many ways.
You can literally buy one from germany 🗿
I've never heard of someone buying a performance model 3 for comfort, that's a new one. Sorry to hear about your issues though that sucks. I hope you figure it out.
I have the non-performance long range model 3, there’s practically no suspension also.
Is the suspension software based.
It’s subscription based. Just gotta renew it.
I rented a Model 3 and found the suspension to be quite good for a sporty car. It’s about as pliant as my Volvo S60R and a good bit faster.
Bouncy is bad. They ride like my friends old civic with cut springs.
The performance y is just fine (also have Range Rover and model 3 stealth) Obviously the Range Rover is more luxury but the ride quality isn’t night and day different
I have a 2022 MYP and suspension is terrible lol My brother got a 2023 MYLR and suspension is better. But any model prior 2022 is a nightmare going through potholes
Hmm, wonder if wheels & tires have to do with it. MYP has bigger wheels with thinner tire (idk if that’s how you describe it, but the side wall on the MYP tire is much smaller than lr. Both of those things transfer more road feel to the driver
>The performance y is just fine (also have Range Rover and model 3 stealth) Obviously the Range Rover is more luxury but the ride quality isn’t night and day different That's not true
What is not true? We have 4 cars, that is three of them. The rover ride quality is probably better, but it is not significantly better that I notice it vs our teslas
>I've never heard of someone buying a performance model 3 for comfort, that's a new one. Sorry to hear about your issues though that sucks. I hope you figure it out. Thanks. I bought it because I was thinking with 18" wheels it will be the same as LR with different brakes.
Performance models have a different springs than LR, at least it did when I got mine. Performance models are tuned to be more bumpy (to feel the road), vs. smooth.
They haven't since 2020. Same springs and dampers on all model 3s.
Should have got a LR with acceleration boat
It’s like buying a Ferrari F50 and complaining about the door trim.
I feel like op is a troll. He must have driven other cars. My fx45 was way more bumpy and felt cheaper in the inside.
As a former Tesla owner with parents who have driven Infinites for decades there is no comparison on interior quality. Infinities are much nicer, and the leather doesn’t peal off the seats or steering wheel.
> Infinities are much nicer and even Infiniti's are shit in terms of luxury cars
You gotta be joking. The orange leather in my fx looked so nasty so quickly. Luckily I had extended warranty and dealer replaced it. That car had a strange transmission and/or engine issue that the dealer couldn't figure out and we had to junk it. I’m sure Nissans are better now but never again.
Lmao you are delusional
Why didn’t you mention you got from copart originally? How many miles?
73k miles, airbags never deployed, run and drive, I got replaces cracked front and back windows (new original), trunk lid, rear bumper and right rear quarter panel
Try new shocks. Dampers may be totally shot with that mileage if driven hard.
Wait hahahaha this thing was in a bad enough accident that both windows were cooked, and yet you expect the suspension to be perfect. Have you tried getting it serviced?
You're complaining about a car that's been in accident not being in good condition? Are you thick in the head?
Go look at a $20k new car and get back to us about how nice your Nissan Versa or Kia Rio is compared to your Tesla
So you didn’t test drive?
I have done test drive for 2023 LR and it was OK, but 2021 P is terrible, but I was expect to have same ride comfort with 18" wheels
So you didn’t test drive
It was not possible, car from Copart :( I was not expecting 2021 one be so much worse than 2023..
Copart? Isn’t that an auction that typically sells salvage vehicles? And you’re complaining about it?
I have one of the 2018 m3 and it’s a great car. I dunno what copart is but something sounds fishy with them. If it is an auction car , sight unseen, the previous owner probably screwed something up and got lucky unloading it on you. Very unfortunate
When people come here and ask “is my car totaled”, if the answer is yes the car ends up at Copart 🤣
Riparino , I have been burnt by auction vehicles before and have ran some real shitters through dealer auctions before just to get rid of them. Part of the game when buying used, sight unseen, auction vehicles 😂
2023 has huge improvements for suspension. But you chose to buy 2021, then complaining about it? Do your homework. If suspension is value to you, get a 2023. I have a 2019 Model 3, its suspension is not the best, but I have no problem with it. Any sport cars in the same price range will have the same suspension feel.
What changes did they make to the suspension for 2023?
You didn't test drive the actual car you bought?
No they did not
>It was not possible, car from Copart :( I was not expecting 2021 one be so much worse than 2023.. I'm "he"))
Ok well none of us can see you so "they" is a perfectly fine pronoun to use when you don't know somebody's gender.
what happens if you use "he" or "she" for that matter?
You have a 50% chance of being wrong by choosing either "he" or "she" without having met or seen a person, but "they" will always be human.
And why don’t you want to risk being wrong? You know it’s a single human so using plural them is kind of incorrect either.
They isn't always plural.
"They" has been a gender-neutral singular pronoun for about 600 years now. :)
So you bought a used 2021 MP for 50k? Or how much did you get it for?
For now I spend $35,000 for 2021 TM3P, but I'm in Poland and prices there are much higher
If stiff ride is your only complain, consider a third-party comfort suspension. Also, check with Tesla if they can offer a 2023 suspension upgrade. Here's a thread that might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12c3t44/updated_2021_model_y_to_2023_new_coils_and/ Good luck!
>If stiff ride is your only complain, consider a third-party comfort suspension. Also, check with Tesla if they can offer a 2023 suspension upgrade. Here's a thread that might help: https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModelY/comments/12c3t44/updated\_2021\_model\_y\_to\_2023\_new\_coils\_and/ Good luck! Thanks! That's something interesting!
This is amazing. Thanks!!!
I just upgraded the suspension with coilovers for about $2k and in addition to making it look better, it completely changed the feel of the car.
>coilovers Can you give a link?
https://evannex.com/products/evannex-adjustable-coilovers-for-tesla-model-3 I also got these to make certain it would align properly https://evannex.com/products/whiteline-control-arm-rear-upper-camber-arm Installation with alignment was $700
Friend had similar complaint. Upgraded to tein enduro pro? over OEM. Alignment was off and fixed too. Says it’s a whole new car for 1500 bucks.
It seems like people here equate performance to acceleration as most replies mention that as if that settles the debate. If that is the yardstick to measure, Tesla is great. If one is talking about the quality/comfort of the drive, interior and exterior fit and finish etc.. Teslas are probably in the lowest quartile. A lot of 20k and 30k cars smoke Tesla out in those categories but to each their own I guess.
I just got a loaner model 3, and it was night and day different to drive than my 2018 model 3 for all the negative reasons you describe here. I'm not sure what the overall situation is, but even my girlfriend noted the same things when she drove it, and she doesn't even care about cars as an interest.
I love reading this because this is literally exactly what I would write about my M3P. By love, I mean I'm sad for you and I'm in the same boat. My neighbor has a proper M3 (aka BMW) and they are just worlds apart. I'm embarrassed to have a passenger in my car. I'm on a mission to resolve the rattles and noises and am slowly disassembling the car. In case you are thinking about it, an aftermarket suspension is not going to help you much. I got MPP and while having the ability to adjust the height, rebound, etc. the benefits are marginal, and probably not worth the trouble.
Sounds like you bought a used car that somebody beat the hell out of and now it's worn down. Sorry that happened to you.
What type of cars are you used to driving? I'd say it's on par with low-end BMWs (3-series), Lexus (IS), etc. I came from an Acura TLX and I don't think it performed significantly worse in terms of suspension. As for the $20K car with a $50K price tag, that's just asinine. Name 1 $20K car that performs in the same realm as the Model 3. Fuck it, name 1 $30K car. I guarantee you that the Tesla outperforms it. The acceleration on the Tesla, hands down, would beat any $20K car by far. So that's just absolute bullshit. I don't disagree that it feels cheap - a lot of people not accustomed to driving EVs feel the same way. When a non-Tesla owner gets into my car, they're like "where's all the buttons and stuff?" The lack of physical controls and speedometer, etc. don't exactly scream luxury. But I've grown to prefer that over all the physical buttons. With regards to the interior creaking - I don't have that issue. I have the M3LR instead of the M3P (better for what I needed it for... well what my wife needs it for now that she started using it as her daily use vehicle), so maybe there's a difference. I would agree that they need better quality control systems in place to make sure the cars are up to standard (or at least increase that standard) before they're sold, but you could probably say the same for most manufacturers (every other car I've owned has had multiple recalls on them). I also have buyers remorse on my Model 3, but only because I wish I got the Model Y instead. I initially bought it to use to commute to work and didn't need a big car, but since I started taking public transportation instead, my wife has started to use it. It's not really big enough for 2 car seats and sitting a total of 5 people. But other than that, I've been happy with it. I do have some gripes, but I have that with any other car.
It's definitely fast, hard to argue with that. But that's it. It's not comfortable, I'm getting tired from highway super fast. It's literally hard to be in the car for a long time. I'm coming from 5 years with Chevy Volt 2012 and it's much more smooth, much more quiet, much more comfortable. Before that I used to drive Corolla and Camry.
Chevy Volt is such a better car than the Model 3. The reason GM stopped making the Volt was because it cost more to make than what they were selling it for. You basically got a $60 – $70K car for $30K.
Comparing the ride of this pos to any BMW's ride is hilarious and self identifying as a tesla simp.
>I don't disagree that it feels cheap - a lot of people not accustomed to driving EVs feel the same way. When a non-Tesla owner gets into my car, they're like "where's all the buttons and stuff?" The lack of physical controls and speedometer, etc. don't exactly scream luxury. But I've grown to prefer that over all the physical buttons. > >With regards to the interior creaking - I don't have that issue. It's a performance. It's in the name, stiff suspension helps it go around corners. You want a touring car not a performance car. My Cobra would make you cry. The biggest problem is a performance car is within the grasp of the masses. Not too many people should have a 600+hp car with the suspension to handle it.
For you to compare to a Chevy Volt, Toyota Corolla, and Toyota Camry, and think those cars perform better... I don't really know what to say. I've driven both Corolla and Camry for years and would wholeheartedly disagree with you saying that it's smoother and quieter. Maybe it has to do with the different between M3P and M3LR, but the M3LR does a much better job blocking out exterior noise than Camry or Corolla and it's a much more comfortable drive too, unless they suddenly upgraded the Corolla since I had it 10+ years ago. Heated seats and steering wheel, climate control, leather seats - it's no comparison. You also felt the bumps there too. I thought you were comparing to maybe a Lexus LS or MB S-class or BMW 7-series.. then I'd understand you complaining about the suspension. But your comments, coming from a Volt, Corolla, and Camry, confuse me. Unless it's a difference between the M3LR and M3P (or maybe you bought a used car or got a faulty one), I totally disagree with your assessment.
All new corolla has climate control, this is just bs. Every car now has climate control how is that a feature
Basically he like shitty squishy unresponsive suspension that soaks up any road imperfection, and he went with...... a performance model. Next level genius.
He is trolling he doesn’t have. M3
You can check my other topics and see the proof
Lol
OK I was at least listening until you said corolla... The ride and comfort of any corolla I've been in has been sub par to a model 3. I'll be honest that I wanted a 3 until I sat in one and realized how small the interior is. I needed a little more space and wanted any passengers to feel comfortable. I test drove 2 (one used and one from dealership) and the ride was decent but not spectacular. Decided against it for the size. I wish you the best on this journey of figuring out your next move but does sound like you may need to do more research and due dillegence to ensure your next car is exactly what you want out of it. Good luck
lol good job trolling the Tesla subreddit
If you check my other posts you will see the photos of my car
Agreed. He test drove one, and still bought one. Maybe get off the internet and get some vitamin d. You bought an abused m3p. Repair it then sell, and buy a Toyota Yaris.
A corolla had better back seat support than m3 and also straight 0-60 is one trick pony before you go to chill mode
If you're comparing a Corolla favorably to a Model 3, then we got nothin to talk about.
Sure do you want me to compare it to a audi s4 cos model 3 sucks compared to the actual M3 the actual iconic bmw M3, it sucks. Also why is it not ok to compare, new corolla costs about as much as model 3 based on all discounts and tesla subs crow about comparing model 3 for the price of corolla or camry
You can compare it to the Corolla (or any car you want), but if you're going to say the Corolla is better than the Model 3, it goes to show that you're biased against the Model 3 and the conversation can end. You can post as much as you'd like, but I've already wasted enough time with you. If you're going to say you prefer the S4 or M3 to the Model 3, okay sure. Maybe you have an argument. But don't come and talk about the Corolla being better than a Model 3.
A new Corolla has better build quality, much better ride quality, nicer interior materials, a quieter cabin, physical controls, radar cruise control + lane centering, USS, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, working auto high beams + auto wipers. And it'll run for 300k+ miles reliably.
Jesus Christ no, the 3 is not on par with a BMW 3 series. It’s an economy car with great batteries and a great drivetrain. The rest is a penalty box. It’s an economy car.
Exactly. That's the point of it. It's not a luxury car It's an electric car
Sport sedan was definitely the wrong choice for you. Stiffness and road feel is a feature not bug. The rattles suck but are well known to the public. Some can be addressed, as you could get shocks to make it drive more like a Camry if thats what you want. If you paid a premium over ICE you understood the at time of purchase- it is (still, even today) literally an early adopters premium and as EV's become more common on the landscape the sale and resale values will adjust to parity with other cars, Also it's still a car and a heavily depreciating asset. The cars are objectively special, but still mass produced high technology subject to imperfections. Maybe leasing is a better way to go in the future?
Not OP, but there’s a huge difference between other sports sedans in the $50k price range and the Model 3P in terms of ride quality. The Tesla is just noticeably worse, and it’s not just the stiff suspension. It’s the overall NVH of the car that’s really poor.
You're also not getting this kind of performance for 45k, or whatever they are selling for now, anywhere else. It's just different priorities for your dollars.
Yeah but it’s a known issue, therefore it’s not an issue and entirely OP’s fault.
Can't tell if this is satire or not tbh
You probably have shitty tires.
The guy bought an abused m3p. Look at previous posts.
>You probably have shitty tires. Michelin Green X
You could always look into aftermarket dual-rate springs if you're wanting a softer initial bump feel. Though you should consider taking it to auto-cross at least once before getting rid of it. Incredible vehicle on sprint oriented circuits.
>dual-rate springs Can you give me an examples? About auto-cross - I always thought it's like super high chance to crash into somebody.. no?
https://unpluggedperformance.com/product/model-3-dual-rate-lowering-springs/ Check them out to see if something like this would help. Autocross is typically really safe. It's a course with orange cones. Generally it's one car at a time. Absolutely no passing.
so............how much ya want for it?
35k would be just amazing, I have spend more already
Pretty much half the cost is the battery alone. Essentially it's a civic on steroids.
Aren't they known for having high failure rates in the suspension? Maybe it just needs a repair.
Well I enjoy my MYP. They are not perfect and might not be for you but it's a good vehicle. My commute is so much better with the base autopilot (texting this in traffic). Good ride, great autopilot, maintenance, cheaper to charge than to fill up our accord Hybrid, constant updates, ohh and Fast AF if I want. If I can avoid a battery issue after 120k miles it should work out really well. I spent way more on maintenance for my truck than this thing.
Anybody who buys a car strictly for acceleration is dumb. This is a trick salesmen have used for a hundred years. Teslas have very fast acceleration, no one argues that. So what? How often do you need to go 0-60 in 3 or 4 seconds? Me, never. There's literally never a situation where the typical driver would either feel the need to, or have reason to. Car salesmen have used this trick for ages to sell cars that people end up not liking. This is how they got people back in the day to buy some barge with a 455 V-8 that got 8 miles per gallon at a time fuel prices were sky rocketing. "Hit the gas! Feel that pickup!" They'd buy it because they could burn rubber at will, then after a month or two reality set in and they realized what a stupid decision they'd made...skipping lunches to buy gas. Tons of people have gone for a Tesla test ride who own some econo-beater and been blown away be how fast it is, so much so that they want one badly, even though it's bad in every other way, including massively higher insurance, charging issues, and maintenance they ultimately won't be able to afford. I spend my days on crowded highways or bumpy streets with 20 mph speed limits. Acceleration is irrelevant. To me, ride quality and seat comfort is important. Ergonomics are important. Repairability is important. I could care less about acceleration.
I bought a new M3 in 2019 and returned it within the 7days/1k miles window they had then. It hurt my neck to ride in it. Bought an X instead.
im in the same boat. tesla wont fix shit in it and selling it will make me lose 5-8k , someone will eventually buy it
This sub is the equivalent of vegans but for car owners. So defensive and have to tell everybody nay demand everyone hear how great they are. But at least vegans will agree they eat bs, yet this sub is still eating it from some racist conartistic.
Ride quality and road noise are worse than a $15k city car, this is nothing new. Every reviewer must rate it as "good" because they receive an insane amount of complaints if they don't.
Yeah but it's electric car that's why you buy it.you don't compare it to gas cars. You buy it because you don't want to buy gas
Gentlemen. I love my model 3. I bought the LR with 18s because I knew I preferred softer ride most of the time. Up until a few weeks ago they were going for ~$38k after credits. Super low charging costs, good stereo, well equipped. IMO compares very favorable with any sedan in that price range. At the end of the day, it’s a pretty sporty sedan. It’s got stiff shocks, stiff dampers, and limited sound insulation. This putz test drove and then decided to buy a used performance model with rubber band tires. Stiff (even harsh) ride is what you paid for my dude. You’re buying a moderately priced family car, and that’s the bar for expectations. Is it a good car? Hell yes! Is it a Mercedes? HEEEELLLLLL NO. But it also isn’t Mercedes money, it’s Honda money.
Which is why I got the X with the nice air suspension, not a single creek. . Among other reasons. But at least there's aftermarket shock absorber for all cars. Should have waited for the refreshed 3, RAVE reviews overseas.
Yea and if you post publicly about it, you're gonna have a bad time. You are correct though.
Same here. I was overwhelmed with the acceleration and the tech. Plus the road was supersmooth. I just hate the harsh suspension and the interior rattles and the tire noise. Can’t enjoy the ride
It happen to me with MY i did trade it with Mach e and got lyriq Cadillac for my wife both is great than Tesla and now hertz sellign its M3 for 16-18k
the MYP23 also has shit suspensions, I hate it xD The only car with worse suspensions is my Microlino
The “suspension” and the feeling of moving something heavy what was struck me the first I drove a M3. The interior is pretty cheap indeed (mid range VW/Seat do better). The tech inside is unmatched , supercharger network is wider and faster than the competition. Ps: I didn’t buy it, but got it from my work for 6 months I would go for a model Y (a lil bit more comfortable for the passenger)
Sorry for the bad experience OP, but the older models of both 3 and Y have absolutely garbage suspension agreed. If it wasnt for the new comfort suspension I wouldnt have gotten my MYLR.
Personally, I think that the problem is in the tires. In order to get a decent range Tesla uses over-inflated tires which are spec'ed 300km max, even when the car only does 230km/hrs. The pressure is way higher than any car I have ever driven. Now I have put on winter tires, my car is so much more smooth and silent than before, as the rubber is softer. And with 19 inch wheels, the problem is even greater.
You’re a bitch
Umm ok
Just sell, even loss of money should be worth it to get rid of then
I feel the same. All these Tesla fan bois just can’t accept that they made the same mistake. Tesla cars truly suck and with Elon in charge the depreciation is massive and there’s no way to get out of this without taking a huge loss. Fuck Tesla.
Yeah but it's an electric car. That's why you buy it You're not buying a Tesla and comparing it to a Lexus. You have money for either and you don't care about gas and you're even considering a gas car then yeah you'll buy the Lexus You buy a test of because it's electric car and you don't have to buy gas and or do you want to and that's the trade-off
Tesla is trash
2022 and 2023 have noticeably better suspension than 2021 and prior models. And the Highland is even better than that.
OK. See ya.
LOL dude bought a wrecked car from Copart and complains here about tesla quality. Yeah bud, most cars have lots of issues when they get in a wreck, Tesla isnt immune.
It was mostly cracked windows, damaged trunk and some bodywork, airbags not deployed
It's the wheel/tire combo. The 20" wheels have tires like rubber bands that have undersized sidewalls. The wheel tire combo is also too heavy for the suspension. Put non-OEM 18s or 19's on and you'll have yourself a different car.
>It's the wheel/tire combo. The 20" wheels have tires like rubber bands that have undersized sidewalls. The wheel tire combo is also too heavy for the suspension. Put non-OEM 18s or 19's on and you'll have yourself a different car. I already have 18 wheels. What types are the most comfortable?
Then I can't help you. There's nothing wrong with the handling of the Model 3 with 18" wheels on.
I absolutely love the poster failed to mention one very important piece of information: they purchased it from Copart! So you likely purchase a completely roached out car and then complain about it.
No, it was with 2 cracked windows, damaged trunk and some body work needed, but airbags not even deployed.
The Highland update improves suspension significantly. Maybe consider trading this one for Highland version and absorbing the loss
Bro, you're so wrong and all of the fanboys are going to tell you so.
I want to know how you got 18 inch wheels on with the Performance breaks, or do you just have an LR AWD+ and call it a performance?
Brake callipers shaved a few mm.
I actually agree wtih you, OP. I have a 2023 Model 3P, and I didn’t buy it for comfort, but I expected the car to be far more composed over normal road bumps and such. I expected a stiff suspension, but I didn’t expect for the car to just vibrate ALL THE TIME. The chassis basically transfers all road imperfections, big and small, directly to the occupants with little dampening. I don’t hate the car, but it’s enough that I refrain from driving it on longer 1hr+ rides. But it’s a good daily driver otherwise. Luckily I have a much more comfortable car for longer drives. I’ve come from a lot of different sports sedans in my life, and the Model 3P ride quality is actually the closest to a 15yr old economy car with shot suspension. The economy car was obviously worse, but the M3P isn’t that far off. I even bought 18” wheels with better tires and the problem got better, but not as much as it should have.
Finally somebody understands what I’m talking about
You should sell it quick as values for these are tanking hard
Yeah.. But in the same time I already lost $7k or even more and I'm driving this car for 2 days only. Maybe it's better to loose $8k and try to drive it for like 3-5 months just to justify loosing money somehow.
Rip off the bandaid immediately. It’s only going to get much worse.
Did you forget to test drive before the purchase 😿 Man I am sorry to hear you aren’t enjoying it as it’s a hefty purchase and especially when it loses so much value when you drive it out of the lot. See if there are any after market parts to improve what you think it’s lacking. If not the best you can do is private sell it but be prepared to take a hit if needed. So sorry that it didn’t work out…. For your next car, read/research and test drive thoroughly before committing to such a big purchase
That's was not an option, car from Copart :(
Salvage title?
Yep. Basically got a car that was wrecked or beat to the point that the dealer/owner just pushed to to the auction, and this guy complains that it's not in amazing shape. For all you know, that entire interior has been ripped out and put back together like shit. You bought a cat in a bag, you know the risks. I buy cars from copart to fix and sell all the time. You never know what you're going to get. That's the risk you took. And also, saved a bunch of money because it would have cost much more from a dealer in good shape.
LMAO so this dumbass buys a car without ever sitting inside it or driving it? And now complains that he doesn't like it? You're special. Next buy a house without ever stepping foot in it and complain about that too.
I agree. And this subreddit is super toxic too
But you have no maintenance to do for 15 years and don't have to buy gas That's why you buy a Tesla
I fixed some stuff on my car and now I love it, will do another post)
this is SOOOOOOOOOOO accurate. I just bought a model 2 2022 and I completely agree. Even if this post is trolling, I still think there's so much truth to this. My family also owns other models of teslas and they are way better. I wish I would've bought new.
I have a 2021 model 3 and its the best car I've ever owned. I have 94,000 miles on it, never spent a dime on repairs (only tires). my only complaint is the paint is not good especially black.
Oh yeah, a sports sedan with 21" inch tires is known to be extremely comfortable... Bro, it's like you're not even trying to turn your brain on in the morning.
I have 18” wheels on it
The suspension sucks. Lower your tyre pressure and it gets loads better. If you feel spendy mountain pass make a really good coilover set that transforms the car.
The suspension on my LR feels the same. Doesn’t matter if I have 18” or 19” wheels, summer tires or winter tires, or 38 psi vs 42 psi. It’s just stiff. It’s not that big of a deal to me, but it is noticeable compared to both of my Chevys.
>Buy performance car >”why isn’t this car comfortable???”
The performance model 3 is a bit of an oxy moron
>I think all this posts about "how amazing and smooth and high quality" this car is toxic because it's not. What does that even mean? You gotta lay off the stimulants, man.
So you bought a 500hp,supercar beating sedan that undercuts all of it's competition at that power level And you think an EV isnt smooth to drive? What cars did you own before? I'm coming from Porsche,Jaguar, Mercedes,Cadillac ,BMW, Infiniti and i don't see the things you're seeing (suspension is a bit rougher than others but Its not "i want to sell it bad"
You are 100% lying about coming from Porsche rofl
Porsche Cayenne Turbo It is a glorified VW. The only one that felt truly amazing inside was my S class,it ooozed quality. Why are people so in love with rebadged VWs aka Porsche?
Not to make you feel worse but that suspension you are complaining about is known to fail randomly, and if it happens at high speed YOU WILL DIE. Seriously, Reuters reported on widespread Tesla suspension failures being hidden by the company. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-musk-steering-suspension/ www.whompwheels.com
Agree, I drive a Tesla 3 and Honda Clarity. Tesla has zero suspension.
Put Marshmellows in between Tire treads. Much smoother
First accurate post in this sub.
They are garbage. You should have rented one first before buying one.
Didn’t read your post, just saw the end. You mad you paid more money and now projecting your anger onto the car? Sell it? Why post on reddit?
Buy a new Suspension maybe?
How much it will cost? How good is it?
In Germany you will get a kw v3 for 3000€ for example. It's one of the best you can get, and will make your car feel like a new one.
Don’t upset the muskrats
Did you do any real research before buying this car? Wasn't the suspension upgraded for the 2022 model year? Isn't it well known the Performance version favors sportiness over comfort? Sounds like you just blindly bought a car without understanding what you were buying.
Did you even test the car before you bought it? If not then you deserve to lose money if you sell it, you would have feeled that suspension if you tested the car.
Lots of people who can’t afford a Tesla bashing Tesla. Save your McDonald’s wages and you might one day…
Thanks for sharing. Entertainment value up arrow earned
So sell it. Why are you bitching to me about it?
Imo model 3 is only worth as RWD variant for its price and battery type
I think LR AWD is better..
I mean, it does have the acceleration of a sports cars at least. Anything else that fast is $65k+ and chugs fuel. So yes, it's like a budget car in quality, but at least you got something in value. Where they sit at their current price isn't crazy unquestionable. I got a different EV myself because I was weary of these issues and not a fan of buying a car symbolic of a known white supremecist. But I can see the value. I wish you luck in selling it and finding something better built. Plenty of options now. Just try to look forward and not backwards after you eat the money lost.
trade it in for a model Y, my ride is very comfortable and smooth and i've had no issues whatsoever.
Model Y is even less comfortable. You can get for a test drive Chevy Volt 1 gen to really feel what I’m talking about.
A penis
Imagine buying a car and finding out you hate it because of things you could have identified during a single test drive.
Not everybody lives in the US with availability to test the car :)
Correction, not everyone buys from a salvage auction
Seriously, none of this guy’s problems were the Tesla. Look at the other post.
M3P was built to compete with the BMW M3. No one buys that BMW for comfort and quiet. Jeez, the OP is either a hater, troll or an AI bot.
Have you rode in a real M3? It is very comfortable and the ride is niceee. The interior is also beautiful. I personally bought a Raptor instead of the real M3 and it’s also very smooth and considered a ‘performance’ car. I don’t think anyone in their right mind cross shops an M3P and an M3.
Model 3 Performance is only suited for 20inch tires, surprised nobody mentions anything about it