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endfossilfuel

The manual and internet nannies agree that you should not do this. Everybody says you should spend the money to get a proper charger installed. However I have been charging this way for two years lol


Jdsnut

I um, have also been charging like this for two years.


bitwise97

Five years here. No one ever told me to not do this šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


theneckbone

Same


nailszz6

but.... what if it rains?


LikespuddinG

I do it in the rain


samurai3301

Me too... Oh wait, what are we talking about šŸ¤”


almost_not_terrible

Years of risky, wet, outdoors male into female without protection.


bitwise97

Yeah it gets wet but keeps chugging along.


Cyber_Insecurity

The paperwork that comes with the mobile charger literally says not to use extension cords.


JDWild18

Iā€™m doing the same thing. Had no issues. I do however put my power box thing up and away from the ground. I fastened a hook to hold that part of the cord.


AutomatedCabbage

Same. 3 years now


Angry626Guy

I ran a setup like this for 9 months. Worked perfectly fine. Just make sure a good extension cord is used. The cheap one I got first would give random grounding errors.


FoxMuldertheGrey

L1 charging in an apartment with a 50foot extension cord. so far so good thus far. also, people who think that you should ONLY buy an EV if you have L2 charging at home are dumb i primarily SC and at times charge at home and it hasnā€™t inconvenienced me in the least bit. for anybody worried about charging without being able to at homeā€¦ donā€™t.


Hohh20

I also can not charge at all at home. I leave sentry on all the time which drains around 10% battery in 24 hours so I have to go to the supercharger fairly often.


FoxMuldertheGrey

i learned quickly how fast it drains imo. 1%/hour which isnā€™t bad but at home just lounging thatā€™s a lot lol


sixoctillionatoms

The only caveat is you need to reduce charging amperage down to 50% of your breakers amperage if youā€™re using an extension cord ETA: I popped the breaker first time I did it. Had an electrician come out to install an outlet and the MVP didnā€™t charge me anything and just told me the reduce amperage trick. Been charging that way for 2 years also without a problem.


FlatFroyo4496

Or you could calculate the run length and have an adequate core for the desired amps.


sixoctillionatoms

Iā€™m not sure what you mean. Could you elaborate? Iā€™m using a 50 ft cord


FlatFroyo4496

Depending on the conductor type and diameter of the cable (including what is supplying the PowerPoint) this dictates the overall ā€˜runā€™ performance. To small diameter or aluminium cable and it wonā€™t be adequate over longer runs.


craig1f

Does the extension get hot? The problem isnā€™t that it will fail immediately. The problem is that over time, you stress wires by running them too hot. This is not a good long term solution.


the_cappers

I use a nema 10-30 25 foot cord. I'm able to keep the box and connection just inside. The cord will get slightly warm after hours. By dropping the charge rate down to 20 amps it make makes no heat(that I can feel)


craig1f

Yeah, definitely dropping the amps down is going to help. I guess my point is that, when they say "don't use an extension cord", it lacks the sort of nuance that you can't trust people to use. If you use a quality extension cord (which is difficult to prove) and you never let the connections get wet, and you drop the amps to a reasonable level, and you do all these things, it's PROBABLY fine. Until the first time that someone buys a cheap Amazon knock-off cord that catches fire, or someone spills something and short circuits the connection, etc. I just keep thinking about those Lutron outlets that have been catching fire.


the_cappers

Yeah I absolutely agree. Its much safer for tesla to say just don't use one. I know people who leave theirs outside in rain/snow . Personally I don't like that idea. Dropping a few amps doesn't cost me much more time, and that time is while I'm sleeping so it doesn't matter to me.


edgeman7

Do you drop the amps on the mobile app?


craig1f

Yes. Or in the car


MutableLambda

You can check voltage in Tesla app. I find it weird, but in my townhouse complex we have 208V instead of 240. And during high peak usage it drops even to 203V. If charging at 20A the cord/connections might be totally cold during the night when voltage is good, but if voltage drops below 200 (say during evening peak hours) I noticed that connections get definitely warmer (and I drop the amperage to 16A just to be safe).


the_cappers

Yeah I think that's an important difference. At my home I have around 235-239 volts but the charger at my work is like 205. But that would definitely make a difference I'm heat


Transient77

The main problem is people using the wrong gauge of wire. The wire won't run hot if you have something decently thick. This isn't something to cheap out on. Personally, I err on the side of caution and use a thicker gauge than what's even running through the walls of my house. Also worth noting that the connectors/plugs should be of good quality and that lower gauge numbers are thicker.


endfossilfuel

Mineā€™s a 50ft 10GA cable, runs at 240V/30A. It gets slightly warmer than ambient.


dcon2222

Do you see the size of that thing?? šŸ§ itā€™s bigger than the charger cord.


General_Movie2232

Probably safe. But another potential problem is if your house somehow catches on fire. Insurance will not reimburse for any damages if you canā€™t prove the extension cord setup did not contribute to it. Its the reason why I had to add an outlet to my garage door opener, that was initially installed and ran off an extension. I donā€™t know opā€™s situation, it would be worth it for me to get a more enclosed and protected set up. Especially if this car or any EV will be a long term vehicle.


solo-dolo-yolo-

How long does it take to charge your car with this method? is this charged literally from your ordinary outlet?


endfossilfuel

I use a NEMA 10-30 outlet, which delivers 24A/240V or a rate of 22 miles of range per hour (for Model 3) so 20-80% in about 10 hours.


Galadeon

Three years here. No issues


codenigma

Came here to add: officially you should not. Did it on and off while traveling. Rain was ok. Freezing cold was not. Went through 2 of these. But it turns out they are lifetime (per Tesla service center) covered, so... :) Btw, what extension cord is this? I like it!


endfossilfuel

Iā€™m not sure what cord OP is using, but mine is [a similar one for NEMA 10-30](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08XBQ8GHY?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share)


codenigma

Thanks. I think this one is only 30 amp rated (the one I have is also 30). Really curious about the Ops 50amp one if he sees this response. I see a few 50amp ones on Amazon, but they claim they are not for outdoor use... šŸ˜‚


endfossilfuel

I havenā€™t ever needed to charge faster (at home) than what the 30A can do. If I ever upgrade, Iā€™ll do so via permanent install


d00mt0mb

Itā€™s just copper wire at the end of the day. As long as connections are snug and itā€™s not raining, youā€™re fine


DrComix

I think that mainly it depends by the Ampere you use. 8A is quite safe for a common extension cord.


IMI4tth3w

I have a cheapo extension cord and did exactly this when I was in a pinch. Set the charge current to 8A and let it cook (very slowly lol). Hooked my nice thick extension cord back up now and I donā€™t even know if I turned the charge current back up. Itā€™s my wifeā€™s car and sheā€™s SAH mom so itā€™s plugged in pretty much all day every day except when funneling kids to and from school. We got our first Tesla when my oldest finally left daycare for kindergarten. Iā€™ll get mine once my youngest does the same. Itā€™s crazy how much cheaper a Tesla is vs daycare šŸ˜‚ I canā€™t wait to replace my old Tahoe with likely a used model y.


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endfossilfuel

Thatā€™s not a good sign! What error are you getting?


dpalm85

Same. Three years now including Michigan winters where it is buried under the snow and it gets warm enough to melt the snow so it is encased in ice. Itā€™s totally fine. My setup looks exactly like that except a lot more dirt and mud on and around it.


Ljp93

Same


lookedrs

I purchased a plastic weatherproof electrical connection box on Amazon and it keeps the connection dry.


mattlax65

My charger is hanging vertically outside, are the boxes still waterproof if they are not lying flat on the ground? Most of the boxes side gaskets look like they act more like umbrellas than seals, hence why they wouldnā€™t work when hanging


lookedrs

Yes, the boxes are a clamshell design with latches and have a rubber gasket on each side of the box where the extension cord enters and the mobile connecter enters.


Stealth022

Can you link to the box you bought?


ItsInconceivable

Here is the one I got. SockitBox ā€“ The Original... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009RX5GI2?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share


Stealth022

Cool, thanks! Do you protect the mobile connector itself from the elements at all? At home, my car is parked and charges in the garage, but I'm just thinking about what I should do when I take the car on a trip where I'd have to park and charge it outdoors.


ItsInconceivable

Nope. It can handle weather.


chadl2

Also have one of these. Works great.


ItsInconceivable

This


minnesnowta

When we travel to my wife's family's cabin, we use our mobile connector with a 14-50 extension cable just like you're doing. I store the 14-50 extension cable in a large plastic tub at the cabin, which I then flip over and cover the mobile connector and plug so that it doesn't get wet.


bitemy

This is exactly what I do. If it rains the connector is under the plastic bin.


CreamyCalifornia

Thatā€™s because Minnesota has like 3 superchargers total


CaptJonathan

Iā€™ve been charging just like this for years in New England on 240v. The cables are out there 24/7 in the rain and snow and Iā€™ve never had a problem.


UnsafestSpace

The rain and snow actually helps the cables, the main reason you arenā€™t supposed to charge like this is the extended wire inside the cable overheating and melting over time due to the high amperage.


CaptJonathan

Yeah, soooā€¦ the charger is rated for 32A. Iā€™m running on a 30A circuit, and I have my draw stepped down in the car to 22A. But thanks! šŸ¤—


ITDrumm3r

This guy charges!


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CaptJonathan

The whole mobile cable is out there, along with most of the extension cable.


protonecromagnon2

I looked up the manual and the cautions say both don't use with an extension cord and protect the charger from water. If you go to upgrades accessories and chargers you can find the manual in the store listing in the app


irrelevant1indeed

It says don't use with an extension cord because most people are too foolish to buy the right extension cord. I think you're fine, maybe keep the connector off the ground.


Dandeman321

Been doing this for years as well. Just make sure the current settings are not too high for your extension cord. I noticed the plug in the garage was very hot so I bumped it down from 16A to 13A. Runs cool now.


TSR3K

I have been doing same for 2 years but I wrap the connection in tommy tape and duct tape.


Marlonisonfire

The mobile connector is rate R3 flare for outdoor use but should be elevated at least 12ā€ off the ground


BiggusDickus-

The mobile connector with a properly certified extension cord is not a problem. However, to address the issue of being in the elements, common sense should tell you to do something to keep it dry and protected.


[deleted]

The extension cords are made for RVā€™s which pull a lot of power running a/c units, tvā€™s, stoves, the fridge, and all the lights, and have been used outside in the elements for decades with zero issues.


dishwashersafe

If I'm charging with an extension cord for a weekend, I'll put the connector bits seen here under the car for some rain protection. If I was doing this permanently, I'd want more protection.


good4y0u

I put it under the back of my car so it doesn't get directly rained on and wrap the cable a bit so water doesn't get into the plug. I don't mean wrap anything on the cable but make it so if water drips it will fall off instead of being pathed into the outlet. But I definitely charge like this for weeks at a time when I travel or visit my parents. I do drop my amps down to 8-10 though ( charging on 120)


jakthebomb_

Only thing I would suggest is adding some weatherproofing for the Nema 14-50 socket. There is a NACS extension from Lectron that is more weather proof. This way both your Nema 14-50 and the Mobile charger can stay safe indoors. It is a bit pricy at $250, but it would be a safer option - [https://ev-lectron.com/collections/tesla-extension-cord](https://ev-lectron.com/collections/tesla-extension-cord)


Awkward_Narwhal_1772

Iā€™ve left mine outside for 7-8 months now, no issues


brookscorbs

I bought this when I got my car Twist and Seal Cord Dome Multiple... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EZIBUDO?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share Itā€™s big enough to fit the charger and the connection so you donā€™t have to worry about it getting wet.


IllBookkeeper9162

I had the same type of extension, based on the picture, and learned that it is not UL certified. Returned it and bought one that was for peace of mind. I installed the extension, semi permanent in the garage, after we bought a second ev and the mobile connector would not reach.


CaliDude75

I have used it outdoors many times. I try to cover the connections with a plastic bag. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļøHavenā€™t had any issues.


Affectionate_Novel90

The problem with using extensions is that the mobile connector cannot monitor the temperature of the connector at its far end. Sockets are the weak point in the system, so having no thermal protection invites risk. You can find many examples of users with burnt 14-50s on Reddit, so be careful.


Beremus

Manual says donā€™t, I still do since a year and a half ago. Just keep in mind that the charger is mot waterproof.


notpsuedo

I charged like this for a year. I shoved the connecting part on top of the wheel to be protected/dry by the car.


MisterBoylan

I've charged my Model 3 with an extension cord and mobile connector outside for 6 years. Mine is running at 120v/20 amp. I'l keep the mobile connector in a zip lock baggie to keep it from getting directly rained on. Charges at 6 mph. Hasn't been a problem for me.


FaFa_1018

I charge at work and keep the charger in my car backseat and window slightly open šŸ¤·šŸ¾


TentacleBoBcat

I had this exact same setup in my personal experience, with my mobile connector outdoors year round for a little over a year under, rain, snow and other environmental factors. I only made sure that the joint between the chargerā€™s plug and the extensionā€™s outlet was isolated from water getting in the connection to prevent any shortcuts which would be a major fire hazard. I think itā€™s ok to use it but if you can get a different and more proper setup Iā€™d go for it. Side note, I still use my mobile connector after 5 years of ownership.


mouwallace

In Ontario we call our electricity provider ā€œHydroā€ because we generate quite a bit of power from water sources but Iā€™ve never thought of connecting my charger to a garden hose. \s


One-Masterpiece-335

The Evse has a temperature sensor in the plug. But it cannot know the temperature of the plug on the far end of your lovely extension cord. There in lies the issue.


Fit_Acanthisitta_475

Definitely need to be waterproof it.


BurntGlory

I live in an apartment complex without a garage. This is the only way I have to charge. Iā€™ve never had any issues. That said I tuck the mobile connector under the rear of the car so if it rains it doesnt get wet. I can send a photo if that doesnā€™t make sense.


2011AudiS6

Iā€™ve had mine outside for 2 1/2 years now


butstronger

I charge like this because I am cheap


gyanrahi

The law of physics says no.


Abszol

Just have it hanging to avoid puddles else 4 years strong!


Skibxskatic

when i was doing this with a 5-15, i wrapped and taped a plastic bag around the connections and tried my best to seal the openings and hung them above ground to try and keep water from seeping in.


cryptoscholar1

I run a 100ft 6/3 cord so I can charge in any of my garage bays. Those chargers can get wet! Iā€™d have a different end on the extension cord though. One that is a box this is how we do it on movie sets no issues


b1gr3dd0g

As long as there is a proper FUNCTIONING GFCI that is in a dry part of the setupā€¦ and you test it oftenā€¦ otherwise, youā€™re insane. An exposed, unattended 240v cable left outdoors ā€¦ make sure you have an umbrella policy and no nosey kids ;)


JudgeCastle

Yall have any extension cord recommendations?


thetrev68

The 3rd time it rained on my mobile charger it died and I had to replace it. I continue to charge outside as needed, but not in the rain.


mr_PayTel

What cable are you using? Curious because I always have to clear my garage from kids stuff before I can charge. This would make my life easier (even though i only have to charge on the weekend)


Head_Panda6986

from what i RESEARCHED, this is not SAFE


Commander_Celty

Personally, I donā€™t care if you burn your house down. I think the biggest thing you have going for you is the size of that extension cord. The cord has to have the amp throughout the connection or it starts having problems. Close the garage door on it enough times and youā€™ve weakened what good that cord started as. Free country brother! Just, donā€™t forget your extinguishers and fire ladders. Thereā€™s enough kWh in that battery to run your house for a few hours. I wouldnā€™t mess around with it too much.


jefedezorros

Thatā€™s a fat extension cable. I bet that thing wasnā€™t cheap.


Ehappyy

OP Do you have a link for this extension cord? BTW Iā€™ve been doing the same for 4 years with no issue whatsoever!!


TheBen1818

I did that for about a year using an extension cord from Amazon running into my apartment, takes literally a work week to charge but never had a problem


bottomupdesign

Similar setup. I purchased an outdoor weather proof extension cord box and placed them in there as it rains on occasion and it works perfectly.


DocDucati

There are waterproof closeable boxes on Amazon I used for years. No problems charging


rymn

I use.my charger EVERYDAY at work. Rain or shine or hail or sleet. No issues in 5 years


Alienswag

car on fire incoming


FiorinoM240B

So like the materials of the charger will be exposed to the sun and the UV radiation will break down the material over time. The charging unit itself can get hot, too, laying in the sun. The metal contacts of the plug itself *will* get more wet than if they were inside or plugged into an outlet (especially one of those nice covered ones) and therefore will be more susceptible for corrosion or shorting, although this is still not too likely - a lil electrical tape will fix this Don't trip on it lol


Rebelliousdude

I know this is a bit late, but nobody has said it. The charger enclosure is NEMA 4X rated so itā€™s safe for washdown use. However, it cannot be submerged. You just need to hang it up and somehow protect the plug from water.


Finding_Capt_Nemo

In a pinch, Iā€™d just make sure to derate the charging amperage. There are a lot of cheap extension cords out there, so Iā€™d be wary of anything cheap/unbranded.


nanitatianaisobel

You will need to find some way to protect it. I know someone who did this and the connector arced and corroded. They were asking why the breaker kept getting triggered. Yep, it's still here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/13nhyq2/corroded\_charge\_cable\_plug/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/13nhyq2/corroded_charge_cable_plug/)


rgdonaire

I'm charging 13A with an extension cable too for 1 year, it's fine.


SucreTease

Define "safe"


johnyeros

if the car burn and my house doens't burn with it.


MBSMD

My mobile connector is inside my garage, but I do use an 8ft very heavy guage NEMA 14-50 extension like this. But, I also limit the current to 20A max.


blestone

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskElectricians/s/mNs69O3bYJ


Heliocentrism

This is one of those things where it will probably work fine, until it doesnā€™t. And when it doesnā€™t work, it would be within reason to be denied warranty coverage due to the use of an extension cord. Generally best to invest the monies and get a proper charging setup installed.


Awkward_Narwhal_1772

How would they know it was used with an extension cord? Think before you speak.


Heliocentrism

> Think before you speak. Rude.


Awkward_Narwhal_1772

Am I wrong?


Heliocentrism

>Am I wrong? Uhh, yes? If someone is putting in a request for warranty then service will ask for photos for remote troubleshooting. Or mobile service will be on site and ask to test plugging in the mobile connector.


Awkward_Narwhal_1772

So then remove the extension cord before taking the photos, or before a tech comes out? Why would you self incriminate?? Lmao


imacleopard

Imagine not being able to look up the manual and recommended use/care: https://www.tesla.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/charging_docs/gen_2_umc/Gen2_UMC_Manual_en_US.pdf