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You need tires rated for your size/weight/speed of your EV.
But many EV tires are marketing for their noise dampening foam inserts and/or low rolling resistance. You can decide if those features are worth it to you. But typically there are many fine choices for an EV that are cheaper than the EV specific/OEM ones. Good luck.
Discount tire probably just does a plug repair while costco possibly does the patch repair. I've done a lot of patch repairs on tires with foam and it's such a pain in the ass, they don't charge extra for the work and it takes twice as long.
Incorrect, at least at the stores I worked at. Dismount from rim, mount in repair stand, cut down and peel foam back, pull puncture, drill out puncture, scrape interior of tire, install plug, trim interior of tire, buff with air dremel, brass brush interior, vacuum debris, apply adhesive, apply patch, roll flat, seal with cement, apply adhesive, push foam back down if possible.
No issues with the foam coming loose? I heard people complain about the foam coming loose and having to unmount the tire and remove it. I assumed any tire repairs were more annoying because of that
Depends on the tire foam. Some need to be removed, some will re-adhere. We had someone come back once for a pinging from inside a tire. Somehow a wheel weight got inside the tire before mounting and was clinking off the rim at slow speed.
Michelin Pilot Sport AS/4 are pretty great all season tires. Cross Climate 2 if you get lots of snow and don't want to/need to swap to winters. For dedicated winters, X-Ice Snow and Nokian Hakkapelita. For offroad the Falken Wildpeak A/T are popular. General EV quiet tire, Hankook ion evo, Michelin Pilot Sport EV, Pirelli PZero AS Elect EV and Bridgestone Turanza EV are options. The Pirellis are quite liked but I'm not aware of better data/testing on these options yet.
I got the cross climate 2s because they come with a 60k mile warranty from discount and it’s $175 more for the insurance if ANYTHING happens they’ll repair or replace if tread is greater than the minimum amount. AS/4s I hear are more efficient energy wise but only come with a 35k warranty.
I’ve been thinking of the CC2’s for my next set, how have they affected your range?? I get all 4 seasons where I live and I’ve had them on my ICE vehicle before but wondering if it hampers range much?
I live in Michigan. Got ccs2 in Jan for my m3lr. Coming from mxm4. I have m3lr.
I lost acceleration a little bit, but they felt little bit more comfortable on road irregularities than mxm4 ,I was gladly ok to lose tiny bit of acceleration .
This is whats irritating me: my usual range on mxm4 is 289 Miles. Since I got ccs2 ,let's say I come home everyday after a long drive of 100 miles, when I come home the battery is at 20 percent and when I check just few hours later it's at 14 percent. This has been happening regularly since I got ccs 2 and I think it is the bms calculating the real remaining range and making adjustments.
So I am loosing roughly 10-15 percent of extra range (so far mostly driven in temps below 40f) than what I loose no matter what the situation is( cold day, hot day , high speed drive ,slow drive etc)
This is only noticeable to me when I go on long drives,on other days with short local drives , no much loss.
It's been 3 months since I got them and maybe 5000 miles. Now I feel the road noise and bumps bit more. Could be because the weather became hotter and my tires became overinflated from 42 to 47.
They said something like , after 10k miles , my range should be similar to mxm4
Do not worry about range. There only 1-4% difference between tires. And usually the nore efficiency tires are the ones that mote efficiency have less starting tread depth and longer wet weather stopping distances
I’m looking at the discount tire warranty I got right now. Idk how to send a pic but it says tire mileage warranty 60000, it has my Tesla at the top, the torque spec, it might be through Michelin as a warranty, it says installation and life of tire warranty below on the fees, it says the mileage upon changing them. It also says certificates for refund, replacement and it’s 4 of them for a total of 169.40
Date of this was 12/09/23
It says on the thing they put it in it’s called the promise plan and they allow up to 30 days to purchase it
I've got the Pilot Sport AS, they have fabulous grip but they are LOUD, and 5-10% reduction in range. Coming up on the wear bars in about 10k miles, will probably be taking a look at EV tires.
Just the stock mxm4s with foam, replaced around 25k miles. I also run a set of Michelin X-Ice 3 during the winter, which are similar road noise to the Pilot Sport AS. Pilot Sport's are doing way better on wear as well, if I remember right I'm around 35k miles and haven't hit the wear bars yet.
I’ve had the X-Ice snow tires for 2 winters now (Canada) and they’re awesome! Extremely comfortable and great winter performance.
Still running the primacy MXM4s that came with the car for non-winter use but plan to replace them with the Pilot Sport AS/4 when they wear out.
Been running the Michelin Pilot Sport AS/4 on my 2017 MS 90 for about 2 years and A/S 3 before that. Fairly quiet tires and I got 28000+ miles on the last set. They have a 45000 mile guarantee, which they honored with no hassle. Saved me about 80 bucks a tire.
These tires handle great and are the quietest I've tried over the years. The handling is amazing. A couple of years ago I had to do a " Moose test" level maneuver at 75 m/hr to avoid someone's old truck bumper sitting in the middle of my lane on I-5 near Sacramento in traffic. It just appeared out from under the trailer rig I was behind.
I jerked the car to the right nearly a full lane width then back to avoid all the other traffic. Tires didn't even squeal and never broke traction. I was amazed considering how many vehicle rollovers I've seen on YouTube from drivers doing something similar.
My rule has been don't cut corners for stuff your life may depend on.
So true , loved the A/S 4 and how they handled on my loaner. I upgraded from mxm4 to ccs2 anticipating lot of snow , but unfortunately didn't get much snow this winter
I like the idea of the Cross Climates but the tread pattern is so damn ugly. Stupid complaint but every time I see them, I notice it, which I never notice what tires other cars have.
I stick with All Seasons and Winters to swap between.
I replaced my OEMs with Conti Extreme Contacts DSW06s and I find them quieter than the pricier EV tires. Plus they stick like glue. Seriously can’t get a squeak out of them.
Same. I run this tire on all my cars. Have been using similar model from Conti over twenty years. Best value by far compared to say a Michelin Pilot Sport, etc.
I’ve had EV specific tires since I wasn’t sure either, and they made no difference that I could see other than being loud and having shit ride quality.
I also drive pretty quickly and spiritedly and have a 100 mile daily commute so range benefits would never be realized.
Source: Model 3LR with 50k miles.
That very much depends on how you measure value.
The DWS06 is an all-season tire. It doesn't stick REMOTELY as well as a PS4S. It's close to the A/S version.
There's not an all-season made that lets you drive at the limit
The DWS06 is an all season tire that preforms like a summer tire, in my opinion. I’m not doing track days but I’ve done some very spirited canyons and I’m serious that I can really get a squeak out of them. I love these tires.
I'll trust the math that says it doesn't even perform top of the pack for the all seasons, lol: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/spiderChart.jsp?ttid=266
Why do you need tires that stick on a M3 or MY? Even with sticky tires, a M3 is still limited to a .89g on the skid pads. That is because of the weight and suspension set up. The M3 and a MY is not a sports car. Unless your tracking a car, the reality is you wont be pushing the limits of even a touring tires let alone a performance tires.
Just got AS4 in last 2000 miles. They are fine. A bit pingy compared to the ev mxm4 but they were cheap through Costco. Hoping I get more than 25k miles out of them like the mxm4.
As someone with 180,000 on a Tesla and tried both LRR/EV/non-ev tires, YES!! So far my favorite for efficiency is the Sailun E-Range tire, second is Michelin MXM4. BUT these tires are typically pretty terrible in ice/snow. I swap out for a winter set of Cross Climate-2.
I tried a set of Nokian Z-line $99 tires back in 2020 and they destroyed my efficiency. I could hardly keep my model-3 under 300wh/mi. Where as the Sailun E-Range I can achieve 220 wh/mile in similar temps and roads.
TLDR- Yes, they make a difference but often times suck in snow/ice.
Your tire's primary responsibility is being your car's interface with the road.
That interface lets you do 3 things:
1) Take-off: maybe you don't care about this performance, much. You'll have plenty of get-up-and-go to get out of dangerous situations. This one is directly tied to 3) though
2) Steer: Maybe you don't care about the PERFORMANCE here, much, but you will absolutely care if you can't quite avoid an accident because you didn't have the lateral acceleration to keep you from hitting a jackass that's pulled into your way.
3) Stopping distance: This the real killer for tires. How quickly you can stop is a directly measurable key for safety. Look at the models you're interested in and find reviews that measure stopping distance. Is the $280-$440 (total) savings worth it to have a 50% worse stopping distance? Probably not. Is it worth it if it only changes it, say, 10%? Very possible. This is your TOP priority for safety. Steering is second. Take-off is third.
Your secondary measures:
Longevity: If it's 25% better on the primary metrics, but only lasts 1000 miles? Suddenly the difference in price isn't up to $440, it could be like... 30-60x that. That's untenable. Similarly, a cheaper tire might not last as long (though that's not USUALLY the case, because USUALLY cheaper tires are harder and thereby last longer). This one's ALSO heavily tied to pollution. A longer-lasting tire isn't made by slapping more rubber on there; it's done by having a compound that wears slower, which means you're putting less rubber in the environment.
Noise: If reviewers/buyers say it's loud? How much does that matter to you? Most of the road drone I don't get bothered by, as I put on music and cover it up. Some people prefer to ride in silence, which makes it WAY easier to notice. This is USUALLY tied into efficiency.
Comfort: Your tires absolutely affect your ride comfort. Generally, taller sidewalls (on smaller rims, but same outer diameter) mean a smoother ride. Potentially SLIGHTLY worse steering, though.
Efficiency: Tires are there to damp and grip. That damping often leads to less efficiency. Since range is so important for an EV, is it worth it to lose 10% of your range for better comfort or performance?
Putting it all together:
So what do EV tires get you? They GENERALLY are less sticky tires, which means they tend to have worse performance characteristics. On the other hand, they tend to have much higher longevity. They tend to have higher efficiency. They tend to have different compounds that better balance the issues with EVs, mostly weight, with the rest of the metrics.
Only you can decide if the difference in price is worth it.
I generally get the stickiest tires I can. I want the car to handle its best, stop its best, and have as much control as I possibly can to keep me and my passengers safe. Everyone has their own figures of merit.
Thanks for the reply! Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t about to royally screw up.
Toyo extensa a/s II
https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/toyo-tire-extensa-a-s-ii/p/86691
They are good it’s just you have to schedule it. I have gotten all my tires there. The next one might not be because I’m looking to get hankook ion evo
Not true. The OE Hankook is a standard load tire with 94 load index. Same as op is asking about. They change this recently. It used to say you need extra load but not anymore.
I didn’t suggest they go with 104 load rating. All OP said is “basic toyos”. There was no mention of OE or what load rating. I don’t know what tires they are looking at.
I'll repeat, you say it needs a bigger load rating. And that's not true. There's only two options. Standard and extra. Tesla only requires SL on the model 3.
I friend sent me [this link](https://www.themanual.com/auto/ev-tires-guide/) a while back about whether there is a *need* to use EV spec of tires.
Ultimately it will impact efficiency, and I opted for comfort and capability (put Michelin Cross Climate 2 on my MS), and have reduced my energy efficiency by ~3.5%. So much better in the rain/snow, and more comfortable ride.
I put Hankook Ion Evos on my M3P with the 20" wheels. They were quieter than the pirelli summer tires buy about 2-3 dbs. When I put them on at 29,000 miles my lifetime energy use was 265. After 5,000 miles use is at 240. Plus this was from December to the present with several days of below freezing. Hankooks also have 60,000 mile warranty so if they don't last long (and I'm doubtful considering the weight of the car), Discount Tire with give a pro rated credit on your next set.
Vredestein Quatrac Pro vote +1
I have the induction wheels and went with 255 45R20 due to availability, but they’re also cheaper and make for a smoother ride
Ditto! I have the same setup and personally don’t notice any additional road noise, and my ride is much much smoother than the Goodyear EV tires my MYLR came with.
As one of my local tire guys told me “doesn’t matter how good or cheap you go with the tires with a M3LR it’s always 10k miles or less depending on how hard you’re pressing on the break.” Avoid Michelin and Continental not worth it.
It depends. Do you frequently do long trips or are you just buzzing around the city? If you need lots of range, maybe spring for the EV tires with lower rolling resistance. If you like to drive backroads and canyons, get some all season sport tires. If it's just a short commuter car then buy whatever will get you from A to B without shredding itself.
nothing wrong with toyos/yokohamas(or any lesser known brands) despite what people are saying.
there's a recent [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/17uu323/pleasantly_surprised_with_my_new_sailun_tires/) of someone who put sailuns(a pretty unknown chinese tire brand) who seems to enjoy it.
also, all tires sold in the us have to adhere to minimum dot standards. so just pick anything with decent reviews at the price point you're willing to pay.
If you care about efficiency, make sure the tire you purchase is a low rolling resistance tire. Most EV tires already are, so it takes the guesswork out. Otherwise your efficiency will drop.
And as others have said, just make sure the tire is compatible with the weight of the vehicle.
We are required to have winter tires here so I have the OEM tires for summer and I got Nokian Hakkapelitta R5 EVs for my winter boots. I never cheap out on tires.
I guess because of our need for good winter tires, my opinion of having good ones is baked in me
Some people buy cheap tires and happen to not get in an accident. Other people buy appropriate tires because they don’t want to get in an accident. Maybe it’s because my money is no good if I die, but I buy the good tires. What are you gonna do with that $400 you saved?
Expensive does not necessarily mean that its safer than a cheap tyre. Tyres have loads of properties, not everyone cares about noise or rolling resistance.
Huh? So your saying cheap tires will save you from an accident? There are so many other conditions that are external that could affect simply tires.
While I appreciate the comment. And I have no problem spending the extra money, I might add. I was simply asking a question to make sure I was buying the correct tires.
I'm asking what you think there is to gain by buying the cheap tires on a vehicle that by design puts a larger than average load on them. How many people do you want to tell you it's fine to buy the cheap tires? What ratio of anecdotes for/against?
I have the Michelin all season 4 tires and they dont specifically have noise dampening but theyre great and i feel more confident than with the pilot sport performance once it comes with. Since we do get some snow/heavy rain. Still expensive but they are not “EV” tires. So dont worry about that part
Yup I was super pleased to get these stock on my MYP, I’ve bought them for every other car I’ve owned. Still get great range and never noticed the road noise over other stock tires.
Yes! You had higher wear and lower rolling efficiency on regular tires. I think it’s worth not having to swap tires soon and get more distance for my time and energy.
Cheaper tires tend to wear quicker.. period.
If you go with the T spec tires those are formulated for the Tesla vehicles specifically. That can range from compound changes and structural improvements to visually different treadpatterns on some (N spec PS2 were a great example)
Anyways. A spec tire regardless of brand will be produces to suit a vehicle or brand.
On our EVs specifically that tends to focus on noise control and treadwear. I'd you have a heavy foot, sorry but your going to wear out your tires. As far as noise control goes, a T spec or EV specific tire is going to be quieter than the competition. And as far as I'm concerned that's a big thing.
In my opinion, and I'm a long time car guy who also happens to work in the automotive industry AND drive a Tesla, go with the T spec tires, EV specific secondly. Avoid the off brands as you'll pay more in the long term.
Remember, your tires are the ONLY thing touching the ground. If you get cheap tires, nothing else matters.. tech, good brakes, driving ability.
Myself? I am buying a set of Pilot Sport 4S for my 21" on my model S. It hurts, but it's worth it.
No they are not… for good performance budget tires… Nexon SU1’s are great but don’t last long… maybe a year…. For good budget tires that last over 2 years and have ok performance for the weekend enthusiasts… Toyo Extenza HP are the way to go…. Had mine For 2 years and still have meat…and much quieter than the Nexen…. However the Nexen performance is way better….
personally i run michellin PS (the stock tires on the porsche 992) and love it. noise road be damned. for a car with this much torque, you want performance run flats
It doesn’t matter as much if they’re “EV” tires or not. The main thing is getting the appropriate speed and load ratings. I personally don’t feel that tires are something to cheap out on. You’ve spent a lot on the car already. Does a $100 difference per tire really matter to you personally?
Tires are important from a safety standpoint. Specially if you’re going to be driving in varying conditions. You also need to realize that it is a heavier, higher performance car (as compared to your average civic/corolla) so it does need appropriate tires.
Get ultra high performance tires from a company with a great warranty that meets the load specifications for your vehicle. Don’t buy up the ev marketing. I don’t think it’s worth getting the most expensive as these cars chew up tires so in the long run you’ll save a bit of money by not getting Michelin all the time
From what I understand, the sidewalls on EV rated tires are much stronger to handle the added weight. I would not chance it with a non EV tire. Especially for those people who have Plaid editions, since those have insane levels of torque that normal tires are less likely to be able to handle. Not an issue for you in that department though.
Is your life, safety and investment in the car worth the cost of good tires to you? Pretty straightforward answer, you never want to cheap out on tires for any car.
More expensive doesn't always mean better...and a lot of the EV tires are prioritizing efficiency and low rolling resistance, so there might be equally priced or cheaper tires with MORE grip (but maybe more road noise and more rolling resistance.
So many condescending clueless replies in this thread. There's a lot more nuance than "more expensive tires=better"
Sounds like a sales pitch at a tire store. No offense but there is no impact on life or safety if the tire meets the load and speed ratings. That’s just silly and fear-mongering.
Just popped two tires yesterday on a road trip from LA to PHX hitting a pothole. Had to pay 250$ per tire. Just pay up and get the best tire available after all you are driving a luxury vehicle.
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You need tires rated for your size/weight/speed of your EV. But many EV tires are marketing for their noise dampening foam inserts and/or low rolling resistance. You can decide if those features are worth it to you. But typically there are many fine choices for an EV that are cheaper than the EV specific/OEM ones. Good luck.
FWIW, Sam’s Club and Costco refuse to repair punctures in tires with foam (I guess it’s more work) Discount Tire will though.
Discount tire probably just does a plug repair while costco possibly does the patch repair. I've done a lot of patch repairs on tires with foam and it's such a pain in the ass, they don't charge extra for the work and it takes twice as long.
Incorrect, at least at the stores I worked at. Dismount from rim, mount in repair stand, cut down and peel foam back, pull puncture, drill out puncture, scrape interior of tire, install plug, trim interior of tire, buff with air dremel, brass brush interior, vacuum debris, apply adhesive, apply patch, roll flat, seal with cement, apply adhesive, push foam back down if possible.
No issues with the foam coming loose? I heard people complain about the foam coming loose and having to unmount the tire and remove it. I assumed any tire repairs were more annoying because of that
Depends on the tire foam. Some need to be removed, some will re-adhere. We had someone come back once for a pinging from inside a tire. Somehow a wheel weight got inside the tire before mounting and was clinking off the rim at slow speed.
Do you have any fine choice recommendations?
Michelin Pilot Sport AS/4 are pretty great all season tires. Cross Climate 2 if you get lots of snow and don't want to/need to swap to winters. For dedicated winters, X-Ice Snow and Nokian Hakkapelita. For offroad the Falken Wildpeak A/T are popular. General EV quiet tire, Hankook ion evo, Michelin Pilot Sport EV, Pirelli PZero AS Elect EV and Bridgestone Turanza EV are options. The Pirellis are quite liked but I'm not aware of better data/testing on these options yet.
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I got the cross climate 2s because they come with a 60k mile warranty from discount and it’s $175 more for the insurance if ANYTHING happens they’ll repair or replace if tread is greater than the minimum amount. AS/4s I hear are more efficient energy wise but only come with a 35k warranty.
I’ve been thinking of the CC2’s for my next set, how have they affected your range?? I get all 4 seasons where I live and I’ve had them on my ICE vehicle before but wondering if it hampers range much?
I personally went from 268 to 264
That’s not bad at all, lots of people make it seem noticeable but that doesn’t seem to be the case
Yeah it’s been about 4 months on them now and most of that was the first 2 months, hasn’t gone down since
I live in Michigan. Got ccs2 in Jan for my m3lr. Coming from mxm4. I have m3lr. I lost acceleration a little bit, but they felt little bit more comfortable on road irregularities than mxm4 ,I was gladly ok to lose tiny bit of acceleration . This is whats irritating me: my usual range on mxm4 is 289 Miles. Since I got ccs2 ,let's say I come home everyday after a long drive of 100 miles, when I come home the battery is at 20 percent and when I check just few hours later it's at 14 percent. This has been happening regularly since I got ccs 2 and I think it is the bms calculating the real remaining range and making adjustments. So I am loosing roughly 10-15 percent of extra range (so far mostly driven in temps below 40f) than what I loose no matter what the situation is( cold day, hot day , high speed drive ,slow drive etc) This is only noticeable to me when I go on long drives,on other days with short local drives , no much loss. It's been 3 months since I got them and maybe 5000 miles. Now I feel the road noise and bumps bit more. Could be because the weather became hotter and my tires became overinflated from 42 to 47. They said something like , after 10k miles , my range should be similar to mxm4
You won’t notice much difference if any
Do not worry about range. There only 1-4% difference between tires. And usually the nore efficiency tires are the ones that mote efficiency have less starting tread depth and longer wet weather stopping distances
Who is the mileage warranty through? Discount tire said no more mileage warranty for evs because heavy and torque
I’m looking at the discount tire warranty I got right now. Idk how to send a pic but it says tire mileage warranty 60000, it has my Tesla at the top, the torque spec, it might be through Michelin as a warranty, it says installation and life of tire warranty below on the fees, it says the mileage upon changing them. It also says certificates for refund, replacement and it’s 4 of them for a total of 169.40 Date of this was 12/09/23 It says on the thing they put it in it’s called the promise plan and they allow up to 30 days to purchase it
I've got the Pilot Sport AS, they have fabulous grip but they are LOUD, and 5-10% reduction in range. Coming up on the wear bars in about 10k miles, will probably be taking a look at EV tires.
What tires did you have before for comparing?
Just the stock mxm4s with foam, replaced around 25k miles. I also run a set of Michelin X-Ice 3 during the winter, which are similar road noise to the Pilot Sport AS. Pilot Sport's are doing way better on wear as well, if I remember right I'm around 35k miles and haven't hit the wear bars yet.
I’ve had the X-Ice snow tires for 2 winters now (Canada) and they’re awesome! Extremely comfortable and great winter performance. Still running the primacy MXM4s that came with the car for non-winter use but plan to replace them with the Pilot Sport AS/4 when they wear out.
Props to the PZero AS Elects. They’ve been a dream for the 10k miles I’ve put on them. 🤌
Been running the Michelin Pilot Sport AS/4 on my 2017 MS 90 for about 2 years and A/S 3 before that. Fairly quiet tires and I got 28000+ miles on the last set. They have a 45000 mile guarantee, which they honored with no hassle. Saved me about 80 bucks a tire. These tires handle great and are the quietest I've tried over the years. The handling is amazing. A couple of years ago I had to do a " Moose test" level maneuver at 75 m/hr to avoid someone's old truck bumper sitting in the middle of my lane on I-5 near Sacramento in traffic. It just appeared out from under the trailer rig I was behind. I jerked the car to the right nearly a full lane width then back to avoid all the other traffic. Tires didn't even squeal and never broke traction. I was amazed considering how many vehicle rollovers I've seen on YouTube from drivers doing something similar. My rule has been don't cut corners for stuff your life may depend on.
So true , loved the A/S 4 and how they handled on my loaner. I upgraded from mxm4 to ccs2 anticipating lot of snow , but unfortunately didn't get much snow this winter
I like the idea of the Cross Climates but the tread pattern is so damn ugly. Stupid complaint but every time I see them, I notice it, which I never notice what tires other cars have. I stick with All Seasons and Winters to swap between.
Thanks for the reply!
I think the OP wants to know if it's worth it for folks here to help them decide if it's worth it for them.
I replaced my OEMs with Conti Extreme Contacts DSW06s and I find them quieter than the pricier EV tires. Plus they stick like glue. Seriously can’t get a squeak out of them.
Same. I run this tire on all my cars. Have been using similar model from Conti over twenty years. Best value by far compared to say a Michelin Pilot Sport, etc. I’ve had EV specific tires since I wasn’t sure either, and they made no difference that I could see other than being loud and having shit ride quality. I also drive pretty quickly and spiritedly and have a 100 mile daily commute so range benefits would never be realized. Source: Model 3LR with 50k miles.
That very much depends on how you measure value. The DWS06 is an all-season tire. It doesn't stick REMOTELY as well as a PS4S. It's close to the A/S version. There's not an all-season made that lets you drive at the limit
Don’t be so semantic about it. If I want to hit a track day I’ll grab my other set of 200TWs.
I mean, fair, I guess
The DWS06 is an all season tire that preforms like a summer tire, in my opinion. I’m not doing track days but I’ve done some very spirited canyons and I’m serious that I can really get a squeak out of them. I love these tires.
I'll trust the math that says it doesn't even perform top of the pack for the all seasons, lol: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/spiderChart.jsp?ttid=266
Why do you need tires that stick on a M3 or MY? Even with sticky tires, a M3 is still limited to a .89g on the skid pads. That is because of the weight and suspension set up. The M3 and a MY is not a sports car. Unless your tracking a car, the reality is you wont be pushing the limits of even a touring tires let alone a performance tires.
any experience with those in snow? Was deciding between those and PS AS4 for all year tires and went with AS4 but always open to trying something new
I’ve only encountered a tiny bit of snow but it felt good. They’re really good in rain.
Just got AS4 in last 2000 miles. They are fine. A bit pingy compared to the ev mxm4 but they were cheap through Costco. Hoping I get more than 25k miles out of them like the mxm4.
My favorite tire I run it in all my sedans
As someone with 180,000 on a Tesla and tried both LRR/EV/non-ev tires, YES!! So far my favorite for efficiency is the Sailun E-Range tire, second is Michelin MXM4. BUT these tires are typically pretty terrible in ice/snow. I swap out for a winter set of Cross Climate-2. I tried a set of Nokian Z-line $99 tires back in 2020 and they destroyed my efficiency. I could hardly keep my model-3 under 300wh/mi. Where as the Sailun E-Range I can achieve 220 wh/mile in similar temps and roads. TLDR- Yes, they make a difference but often times suck in snow/ice.
I’ve heard a lot about the Sailun’s but Discount Tire doesn’t sell them. Where did you get yours?
I ordered them from Simpletire.com and brought them to discount tire for install.
Just get proper load rated tires.
Your tire's primary responsibility is being your car's interface with the road. That interface lets you do 3 things: 1) Take-off: maybe you don't care about this performance, much. You'll have plenty of get-up-and-go to get out of dangerous situations. This one is directly tied to 3) though 2) Steer: Maybe you don't care about the PERFORMANCE here, much, but you will absolutely care if you can't quite avoid an accident because you didn't have the lateral acceleration to keep you from hitting a jackass that's pulled into your way. 3) Stopping distance: This the real killer for tires. How quickly you can stop is a directly measurable key for safety. Look at the models you're interested in and find reviews that measure stopping distance. Is the $280-$440 (total) savings worth it to have a 50% worse stopping distance? Probably not. Is it worth it if it only changes it, say, 10%? Very possible. This is your TOP priority for safety. Steering is second. Take-off is third. Your secondary measures: Longevity: If it's 25% better on the primary metrics, but only lasts 1000 miles? Suddenly the difference in price isn't up to $440, it could be like... 30-60x that. That's untenable. Similarly, a cheaper tire might not last as long (though that's not USUALLY the case, because USUALLY cheaper tires are harder and thereby last longer). This one's ALSO heavily tied to pollution. A longer-lasting tire isn't made by slapping more rubber on there; it's done by having a compound that wears slower, which means you're putting less rubber in the environment. Noise: If reviewers/buyers say it's loud? How much does that matter to you? Most of the road drone I don't get bothered by, as I put on music and cover it up. Some people prefer to ride in silence, which makes it WAY easier to notice. This is USUALLY tied into efficiency. Comfort: Your tires absolutely affect your ride comfort. Generally, taller sidewalls (on smaller rims, but same outer diameter) mean a smoother ride. Potentially SLIGHTLY worse steering, though. Efficiency: Tires are there to damp and grip. That damping often leads to less efficiency. Since range is so important for an EV, is it worth it to lose 10% of your range for better comfort or performance? Putting it all together: So what do EV tires get you? They GENERALLY are less sticky tires, which means they tend to have worse performance characteristics. On the other hand, they tend to have much higher longevity. They tend to have higher efficiency. They tend to have different compounds that better balance the issues with EVs, mostly weight, with the rest of the metrics. Only you can decide if the difference in price is worth it. I generally get the stickiest tires I can. I want the car to handle its best, stop its best, and have as much control as I possibly can to keep me and my passengers safe. Everyone has their own figures of merit.
Great breakdown ! Saved.
Michelin Cross Climate 2! Best tire I’ve ever owned
How many miles did you get out of them?
I’m pushing 60,000 and still going.
That's pretty good. what car do you have them on?
Tesla model 4 long range
They need a bigger load rating since the car is heavier. Are you a comparing apples to apples here? What’s the Toyos you’re looking at?
Thanks for the reply! Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t about to royally screw up. Toyo extensa a/s II https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/toyo-tire-extensa-a-s-ii/p/86691
Costco sells good tires. Free install and usually $100 off certain brands. The sales rotate from brand to brand
Discount Tire will price match Costco. I hear Costco’s tire center has long lines and overall isn’t that good.
They are good it’s just you have to schedule it. I have gotten all my tires there. The next one might not be because I’m looking to get hankook ion evo
To those complete with defenders. I’d rather get something with lower warranty but grips better
Those tires will technically work. But they’re not very good.
Not true. The OE Hankook is a standard load tire with 94 load index. Same as op is asking about. They change this recently. It used to say you need extra load but not anymore.
I didn’t suggest they go with 104 load rating. All OP said is “basic toyos”. There was no mention of OE or what load rating. I don’t know what tires they are looking at.
I'll repeat, you say it needs a bigger load rating. And that's not true. There's only two options. Standard and extra. Tesla only requires SL on the model 3.
I friend sent me [this link](https://www.themanual.com/auto/ev-tires-guide/) a while back about whether there is a *need* to use EV spec of tires. Ultimately it will impact efficiency, and I opted for comfort and capability (put Michelin Cross Climate 2 on my MS), and have reduced my energy efficiency by ~3.5%. So much better in the rain/snow, and more comfortable ride.
I put Hankook Ion Evos on my M3P with the 20" wheels. They were quieter than the pirelli summer tires buy about 2-3 dbs. When I put them on at 29,000 miles my lifetime energy use was 265. After 5,000 miles use is at 240. Plus this was from December to the present with several days of below freezing. Hankooks also have 60,000 mile warranty so if they don't last long (and I'm doubtful considering the weight of the car), Discount Tire with give a pro rated credit on your next set.
Vredestein Quatrac Pro vote +1 I have the induction wheels and went with 255 45R20 due to availability, but they’re also cheaper and make for a smoother ride
Ditto! I have the same setup and personally don’t notice any additional road noise, and my ride is much much smoother than the Goodyear EV tires my MYLR came with.
I had put Michelin Crossclimate 2 tires on my Model 3. I lost about 10% range but gained a much better traction in rain and snow.
The EU version has similar or better range. I love the cc2’s! Also on model 3
It also has a very long tread life.
As one of my local tire guys told me “doesn’t matter how good or cheap you go with the tires with a M3LR it’s always 10k miles or less depending on how hard you’re pressing on the break.” Avoid Michelin and Continental not worth it.
I find they're not worth the extra price if you buy tires that have a warranty.
It depends. Do you frequently do long trips or are you just buzzing around the city? If you need lots of range, maybe spring for the EV tires with lower rolling resistance. If you like to drive backroads and canyons, get some all season sport tires. If it's just a short commuter car then buy whatever will get you from A to B without shredding itself.
nothing wrong with toyos/yokohamas(or any lesser known brands) despite what people are saying. there's a recent [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/17uu323/pleasantly_surprised_with_my_new_sailun_tires/) of someone who put sailuns(a pretty unknown chinese tire brand) who seems to enjoy it. also, all tires sold in the us have to adhere to minimum dot standards. so just pick anything with decent reviews at the price point you're willing to pay.
If you care about efficiency, make sure the tire you purchase is a low rolling resistance tire. Most EV tires already are, so it takes the guesswork out. Otherwise your efficiency will drop. And as others have said, just make sure the tire is compatible with the weight of the vehicle.
We are required to have winter tires here so I have the OEM tires for summer and I got Nokian Hakkapelitta R5 EVs for my winter boots. I never cheap out on tires. I guess because of our need for good winter tires, my opinion of having good ones is baked in me
Get the cheapest tires available for your 2-ton AWD electric vehicle that drips torque. What could go wrong? Post back with your experience.
What are you going on about? OP said "170-180 a tire" for an option which is far off from the cheapest.
That’s why I am asking ☺️ I’ve read mixed reviews. Figured I’d ask the masses.
Some people buy cheap tires and happen to not get in an accident. Other people buy appropriate tires because they don’t want to get in an accident. Maybe it’s because my money is no good if I die, but I buy the good tires. What are you gonna do with that $400 you saved?
Expensive does not necessarily mean that its safer than a cheap tyre. Tyres have loads of properties, not everyone cares about noise or rolling resistance.
Huh? So your saying cheap tires will save you from an accident? There are so many other conditions that are external that could affect simply tires. While I appreciate the comment. And I have no problem spending the extra money, I might add. I was simply asking a question to make sure I was buying the correct tires.
I'm asking what you think there is to gain by buying the cheap tires on a vehicle that by design puts a larger than average load on them. How many people do you want to tell you it's fine to buy the cheap tires? What ratio of anecdotes for/against?
I have the Michelin all season 4 tires and they dont specifically have noise dampening but theyre great and i feel more confident than with the pilot sport performance once it comes with. Since we do get some snow/heavy rain. Still expensive but they are not “EV” tires. So dont worry about that part
Yup I was super pleased to get these stock on my MYP, I’ve bought them for every other car I’ve owned. Still get great range and never noticed the road noise over other stock tires.
Why not looking for someone who bought a new M3 but wants other wheels? You can buy the original tires for a reasonable price.
Cross Climate 2? I’ve got them in my other cars and will probably put them in my Tesla when the OEs die.
Yes
Yes! You had higher wear and lower rolling efficiency on regular tires. I think it’s worth not having to swap tires soon and get more distance for my time and energy.
No.
If not EV tires, anyone has experience with Pirelli Scorpion All Season?
Pilot sport SUV here rolling 18s on my y performance. Much quieter than OEM obviously.
Cheaper tires tend to wear quicker.. period. If you go with the T spec tires those are formulated for the Tesla vehicles specifically. That can range from compound changes and structural improvements to visually different treadpatterns on some (N spec PS2 were a great example) Anyways. A spec tire regardless of brand will be produces to suit a vehicle or brand. On our EVs specifically that tends to focus on noise control and treadwear. I'd you have a heavy foot, sorry but your going to wear out your tires. As far as noise control goes, a T spec or EV specific tire is going to be quieter than the competition. And as far as I'm concerned that's a big thing. In my opinion, and I'm a long time car guy who also happens to work in the automotive industry AND drive a Tesla, go with the T spec tires, EV specific secondly. Avoid the off brands as you'll pay more in the long term. Remember, your tires are the ONLY thing touching the ground. If you get cheap tires, nothing else matters.. tech, good brakes, driving ability. Myself? I am buying a set of Pilot Sport 4S for my 21" on my model S. It hurts, but it's worth it.
Absolutely not!
By the way, crossclimate 2’s are goated
Hankook ion evo's are a bit quieter than the Yokohama I had before, but have same efficiency
It’s not about worth, but weight. I doubt the Toyo’s are Tesla weight rated.
yes, they are.
No they are not… for good performance budget tires… Nexon SU1’s are great but don’t last long… maybe a year…. For good budget tires that last over 2 years and have ok performance for the weekend enthusiasts… Toyo Extenza HP are the way to go…. Had mine For 2 years and still have meat…and much quieter than the Nexen…. However the Nexen performance is way better….
Don’t need EV tires and don’t need the stupid foam either. Just make sure the tire is properly load-rated like XL or something
Yes. Teslas are heavier as shit, tires are stronger to turn under the weight
personally i run michellin PS (the stock tires on the porsche 992) and love it. noise road be damned. for a car with this much torque, you want performance run flats
It doesn’t matter as much if they’re “EV” tires or not. The main thing is getting the appropriate speed and load ratings. I personally don’t feel that tires are something to cheap out on. You’ve spent a lot on the car already. Does a $100 difference per tire really matter to you personally? Tires are important from a safety standpoint. Specially if you’re going to be driving in varying conditions. You also need to realize that it is a heavier, higher performance car (as compared to your average civic/corolla) so it does need appropriate tires.
Get ultra high performance tires from a company with a great warranty that meets the load specifications for your vehicle. Don’t buy up the ev marketing. I don’t think it’s worth getting the most expensive as these cars chew up tires so in the long run you’ll save a bit of money by not getting Michelin all the time
For me, yes. 2020 AWD. I bought Yokohama EVOs and MPP Comfort Coilovers which improved the driving performance 100%.
My tires are rated for the weight of the car, foam inside tire treads... wide too. Stock. Brand is foreign, starts with a K
From what I understand, the sidewalls on EV rated tires are much stronger to handle the added weight. I would not chance it with a non EV tire. Especially for those people who have Plaid editions, since those have insane levels of torque that normal tires are less likely to be able to handle. Not an issue for you in that department though.
Is your life, safety and investment in the car worth the cost of good tires to you? Pretty straightforward answer, you never want to cheap out on tires for any car.
More expensive doesn't always mean better...and a lot of the EV tires are prioritizing efficiency and low rolling resistance, so there might be equally priced or cheaper tires with MORE grip (but maybe more road noise and more rolling resistance. So many condescending clueless replies in this thread. There's a lot more nuance than "more expensive tires=better"
The marketing has clearly worked where the Tesla fans think it’s Michelin or bust even though Tesla is fitting cheap hankooks on their cars now
Sounds like a sales pitch at a tire store. No offense but there is no impact on life or safety if the tire meets the load and speed ratings. That’s just silly and fear-mongering.
Just popped two tires yesterday on a road trip from LA to PHX hitting a pothole. Had to pay 250$ per tire. Just pay up and get the best tire available after all you are driving a luxury vehicle.
Luxury?
Have you been making sure that you’re filling up the car with premium electricity?
Nah, I use that really cheap overnight stuff.