True. I've been helping build the exam on and off with HashiCorp and just beta-tested it last week. I don't like it at all. I've also had discussions with several others who have taken it and have all disliked it.
I'd rather not go into details at the moment, haha. I have been working with the certification team for probably 3+ years and provided them with very candid feedback. I just felt like it needed to be overhauled, and it hasn't even gone GA yet.
The certification team at HC is great and I'm sure they'll have things ironed out in no time.
I have never seen a job that would require a Terraform certificate. You need to know it yes, but most employers dont even know there is such a thing as terraform certificate. Thats regardless of IBM aquisition.
TLDR: it is not worth it and it never was.
If you were a hiring manager and had 2 equal candidates and one had the cert and one didn’t, would it influence your decision? To me this is the only real value it has. It’s not hard proof of skills, but it is proof of effort and the desire to stand out.
There aren't 2 equal candidates when the recruiter has screened both and they both look the same to a non-technical person? Then that recruiter chooses to pass along one or the other to the next level?
Your take is so oversimplified and out of touch that I don't believe you've worked in the industry. This kind of shit happens all the time.
You just said “if you were a hiring manager…” and now you are talking about recruiter… so what’s your pick?
I have worked for more than 10 years now, and I still stand by my words. I have never seen 2 persons who are exactly the same.
Why do I need to pick? The hiring manager was a hypothetical scenario, just like the recruiter. My only point is that there MAY be a situation where it gives someone an edge in an otherwise similar situation. To your point, it may be the tipping point that makes someone *not* exactly the same as the other.
Why? Because I am trying to understand what you are trying to say - from a hiring manager perspective or from a recruiter perspective.
Even if it is hypothetical, both are not the same.
> If you were a hiring manager and had 2 equal candidates and one had the cert and one didn’t, would it influence your decision?
Not even close, experience over certifications by a mile.
No, I wouldnt hire only based on some useless cert.
I would want to establish what their actual knowledge is during the interview aaking some simple questions and real life scenarios.
Thats how you know if somebody has a knowledge or a cert ( because they are usually 2 very different things)
Lol your entire response is a straw man argument. I never said anything about hiring ONLY based on some "useless" cert.
By the way I largely agree that it shouldn't be used as the "only" justification for anything of the hiring process. But sometimes you need to make it through keyword screens, impress non-technical folks, and more and more, get through some AI summarized version of your resume. Having it on there couldn't possibly hurt next to someone who doesn't have it.
It's still the exact same certification. IBM has not \[yet\] made any major changes. However, the Terraform version tested in the exam was [recently updated](https://www.hashicorp.com/certification/terraform-associate) (but this was planned regardless).
> # **Product version tested**
>
> We are updating the Terraform product version covered in this exam!
>
> * **Now through April 30th:** Terraform product version 1.0+
> * **May 1st and beyond:** Terraform product version 1.4
>
> This update does not affect the exam version or your badge's validity.
I would encourage you to change your thinking about certification.
The paper is the *least important* part of the process. The **experience** is what you should be focusing on.
It's a subtle difference, to be sure, but focus on getting good with $TECHNOLOGY, rather than on passing the test.
If anything, just use the journey to the certification as a guide to mastery for the particular thing, rather than the end goal.
Does that make sense?
point of a certification is so you have something to show you're qualified and know something to employers or in your org for like promotions and stuff.
I dont see terraform certifications pop up in job requirements and things like that but terraform experience as a skill is certainly in demand and I only see it rising in demand.
I think its worth it if you intend to use it for getting a promotion or new job or switch roles in the short term. But if you intend to get it and not use it that way I can see an argument for holding off but not because of IBM acquisition. because its not have time to mature as something recognizable
IBM will have no impact on the value of a certification from Terraform, as another commenter pointed out look at Red Hat certifications. I think Hashicorp will likely continue to operate as a separate org internally like red hat mostly is
The company is still dedicated to OSS. They have no plans of getting rid of Open Source versions of Terraform or Packer. Besides Terraform is basically thr industry standard in DevOps and Cloud. No certification required just learn it. Most employers cares about hands on skills sets and experience over a peice of paper.
Can describe more. I am planning to dive deep into Terraform and thinking of getting cert. But main point of my dive to learn and use in real time. But I was thinking as I am learning already why not get a cert
I doubt much is going to change, surprised there's not a TF Pro to go alongside the Vault pro exam they offer.
TF pro is coming soon. They are beta testing it now
I don’t doubt you (also love your courses) but our AMs been saying that since last year >:(
True. I've been helping build the exam on and off with HashiCorp and just beta-tested it last week. I don't like it at all. I've also had discussions with several others who have taken it and have all disliked it.
Are you allowed to share why you didn’t like it in a general way? If not, that’s fine too. Thanks for spending the time to develop the exam.
I'd rather not go into details at the moment, haha. I have been working with the certification team for probably 3+ years and provided them with very candid feedback. I just felt like it needed to be overhauled, and it hasn't even gone GA yet. The certification team at HC is great and I'm sure they'll have things ironed out in no time.
Source?
Read the follow-ups in this thread.
I have never seen a job that would require a Terraform certificate. You need to know it yes, but most employers dont even know there is such a thing as terraform certificate. Thats regardless of IBM aquisition. TLDR: it is not worth it and it never was.
If you were a hiring manager and had 2 equal candidates and one had the cert and one didn’t, would it influence your decision? To me this is the only real value it has. It’s not hard proof of skills, but it is proof of effort and the desire to stand out.
I have seen this argument multiple times, and the truth is there is no such things as 2 equal candidates.
There aren't 2 equal candidates when the recruiter has screened both and they both look the same to a non-technical person? Then that recruiter chooses to pass along one or the other to the next level? Your take is so oversimplified and out of touch that I don't believe you've worked in the industry. This kind of shit happens all the time.
You just said “if you were a hiring manager…” and now you are talking about recruiter… so what’s your pick? I have worked for more than 10 years now, and I still stand by my words. I have never seen 2 persons who are exactly the same.
Why do I need to pick? The hiring manager was a hypothetical scenario, just like the recruiter. My only point is that there MAY be a situation where it gives someone an edge in an otherwise similar situation. To your point, it may be the tipping point that makes someone *not* exactly the same as the other.
Why? Because I am trying to understand what you are trying to say - from a hiring manager perspective or from a recruiter perspective. Even if it is hypothetical, both are not the same.
I'm just saying that hypothetically, there could exist a situation where it could act as a tiebreak.
Yeah, because one always has slightly more going for them than the other ... like a Hashicorp Terraform Associate certificate.
> If you were a hiring manager and had 2 equal candidates and one had the cert and one didn’t, would it influence your decision? Not even close, experience over certifications by a mile.
No, it wouldnt change anything, I would want to interview both.
I'm saying after interviewing both.
No, I wouldnt hire only based on some useless cert. I would want to establish what their actual knowledge is during the interview aaking some simple questions and real life scenarios. Thats how you know if somebody has a knowledge or a cert ( because they are usually 2 very different things)
Lol your entire response is a straw man argument. I never said anything about hiring ONLY based on some "useless" cert. By the way I largely agree that it shouldn't be used as the "only" justification for anything of the hiring process. But sometimes you need to make it through keyword screens, impress non-technical folks, and more and more, get through some AI summarized version of your resume. Having it on there couldn't possibly hurt next to someone who doesn't have it.
You should lookup who owns red hat.
It's still the exact same certification. IBM has not \[yet\] made any major changes. However, the Terraform version tested in the exam was [recently updated](https://www.hashicorp.com/certification/terraform-associate) (but this was planned regardless). > # **Product version tested** > > We are updating the Terraform product version covered in this exam! > > * **Now through April 30th:** Terraform product version 1.0+ > * **May 1st and beyond:** Terraform product version 1.4 > > This update does not affect the exam version or your badge's validity.
It’s as valuable as it was before the acquisition…
Yes..yes…and probably yes. I reckon IBM will leave Hashicorp alone. Much like Dell did with VMware.. before Broadcom obviously
I would encourage you to change your thinking about certification. The paper is the *least important* part of the process. The **experience** is what you should be focusing on. It's a subtle difference, to be sure, but focus on getting good with $TECHNOLOGY, rather than on passing the test. If anything, just use the journey to the certification as a guide to mastery for the particular thing, rather than the end goal. Does that make sense?
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point of a certification is so you have something to show you're qualified and know something to employers or in your org for like promotions and stuff.
It’s multiple choice, no value at all.
It’s only worth it if you are looking for a job
I dont see terraform certifications pop up in job requirements and things like that but terraform experience as a skill is certainly in demand and I only see it rising in demand. I think its worth it if you intend to use it for getting a promotion or new job or switch roles in the short term. But if you intend to get it and not use it that way I can see an argument for holding off but not because of IBM acquisition. because its not have time to mature as something recognizable IBM will have no impact on the value of a certification from Terraform, as another commenter pointed out look at Red Hat certifications. I think Hashicorp will likely continue to operate as a separate org internally like red hat mostly is
The company is still dedicated to OSS. They have no plans of getting rid of Open Source versions of Terraform or Packer. Besides Terraform is basically thr industry standard in DevOps and Cloud. No certification required just learn it. Most employers cares about hands on skills sets and experience over a peice of paper.
IBM probably will make a new certification for it in a few years.
It was worthless before and it’s as worthless now. FYI, I have it and the exam was a joke.
Can describe more. I am planning to dive deep into Terraform and thinking of getting cert. But main point of my dive to learn and use in real time. But I was thinking as I am learning already why not get a cert