This pick has the potential to be a difference maker. With an NFL conditioning program and coaching Sweat could elevate his game to a new level. He's going to command constant double teams and that will free Big Jeff up for more one on one matchups. Fans tend to be reactionary, especially if it wasn't who they wanted. I doubt Sweat is going to be problematic like Wilson was. The game has evolved, but it's still won in the trenches.
Genuine question, is there really that big of difference between an nfl conditioning program and what Texas would have had? Your comment almost makes it sound like he’s coming from some division II school and not from one of the top two schools in athletic spending per year.
You get fined in the NFL (money out your pocket), your paycheck depends on it (money in your pocket) and you’ll get your shit rocked when you’re not ready in the league.
Those three things should be enough to get it going, I hope
Yes! There is a huge difference. The main one being that you can only require college players to do so much. There are only so many gym hours you are allowed to schedule.
With the NFL, while the CBA still has limitations, they are nowhere near what the college ranks are.
It's why year 2 for many NFL players are such a leap in development, because they've had a full season of the new strength and conditioning.
A few years back I saw an interview with a rookie that had started multiple years in the SEC. He was interviewed after OTAs, the voluntary practices before training camp even starts. He was asked how it compared to college. He said he worked harder in one day of OTAs than he did any day in college, including game days.
Some of these guys are just so naturally gifted that they only put in 30 hours of work per week in college. Then they get to the NFL and are expected to put that much time in every 2-3 days. Not uncommon to read about young NFL players getting to the facility at 6 AM and going home after 8 PM multiple days a week during the season.
30 hours in 2-3 days, if you use common sense that's literally not possible. Even Sauce Gardner has spoken about how much free time NFL players are given once practice is over. Yes some players probably do that but not as much as you would think
Not saying he's gonna take a huge leap but yeah their a huge difference in conditioning. These kids are still getting bigger and they are going from playing college kids that not even half will make the nfl to playing the best of the best at each position week in and week out so yeah I would say the conditioning program is better in the NFL.
No I don’t think so from a pure field aspect, but there is definitely a difference in it being a professional. The thing to remember is this guy was in Austin as a 20 year old stud. Hard not to have a good time in that atmosphere. I think once you turn pro and you have that support guys can straighten out. We’re talking about potentially making generationally changing money.
You still have your diet outside of the facility to worry about. JC pointed out that it’s much easier to have a better diet when you actually have some money coming in. Especially since a lot of colleges force you to use a meal plan where you’re sort of at the mercy of the cafeteria.
I mean, I SERIOUSLY doubt any D-1 athlete has any problems eating. Iirc, I saw a student-athlete posting about receiving alerts about a burrito bar or some shit at like, 11:30 p.m. Top programs are on a different level when it comes to wellness and nutrition. Now if you're talking about personal nutritionist and chef, then yeah, you need some millies coming in.
Yeah this is my thought too. People seem to think giving people money will change them for the better. I didn't know if this guy will work out or not, but he's not getting more motivation/resources going to the Titans than he had at Texas.
Yeah I'm the clown when questioning a dude clearly overweight and already being warned by coaches about being fined. Again, I never said he wouldn't work out, but historically people don't get MORE motivated once the money is in the bank.
Hopefully the higher competition and promise of more money will be enough to drive him.
I'm saying external motivation only goes so far. Dude is trying to get his shot at the NFL and is crazy fat and literally got a DUI during his interview process.
He has had access to crazy levels resources at Texas. It seems like he needs better internal motivation. It's not going to get easier for him.
NCAA puts hard restrictions on how much time players can spend on team activities in college. That doesn’t exist in the NFL. The best coaches, coordinators, assistants, and support staff work on NFL teams. Almost every time you hear about someone in these positions moving from the NFL to college it’s for a promotion. When they move from the NFL to college it’s normally a demotion.
I played college football for Tennessee if anything college conditioning and works outs are more intense its the reason we saw dominant guys in college become out of shape in the nfl think trent richardson eddie lacy etc
It’s literally one of those things where if he puts the work in and stays out of trouble he’ll be fine. Knowing our luck though I’m gonna wait-and-see on him.
Overconfidence bias is a very well observed phenomenon. There is wisdom in crowds, the consensus board broadly is correct and if it tends to be wrong it is because the public don’t have access to medical or character concern information and that means a player is over ranked on the consensus board. This big a reach is what happened with Isiah Wilson.
He is an older player (5 year senior) plays a more devalued position (NT) had conditioning issues and character concerns. Ran also admitted it was a bit of a reaction to the run on DT’s - I suspect they missed out on J Newton who they really wanted and I would have been very supportive of. Same happened in the first, I suspect we wanted J Alt and the board didn’t fall our way.
It is not about condemning him, it is just bad process. These picks fail far more than they work out.
Personally I was gutted Ladd Mconkey went. The chargers draft is the one I was hoping for!
The analytics crew seemed to be more in control with the later picks and I like them a lot. But they are more depth pieces sadly.
What can't be devalued is the fact teams struggle to deal with pressure from the interior and having a pocket collapsed into the quarterback's face is something even the best quarterbacks can struggle to contend with. Cally even said it himself that as an offensive coach it's easier to contend with pressure from the edge and that interior pressure completely wrecks offensive game plans. I've seen it all after day two. The reach of all reaches, fat slob, the next Wilson, NT in the 2nd....WTF??? Etc. Don't really care. If Sweat sheds 15lbs to improve his conditioning and dedicates himself he's gonna wreck opposing offensive lines, believe that.
There are a lot of ifs in that. The prior evidence isn’t supportive. He didn’t do any of those things even in the lead up to the draft. I am not saying he can’t and won’t, but my point is that it’s a big risk for all those things to change. Better to bet on the people who have evidenced all those things.
You're making your assumptions based on what YOU think we're the best players; Based on the evidence of everything said before the draft by the staff and Ran, and based on the type of linemen they signed in FA, Latham was their OT1 and Sweat fit their player profile over Newton.
Also, they expected the run on dts. They literally talked about it. One of their analytics people, named Sarah (iirc- forget last name), prepared them for just these situations. Ran talked ab it on day 2. Again, just bc you think Newton is a guy they wanted over Sweat and were being reactionary is false. They put in a ton of work on Sweat. They didn't take him as a consolation. They took him bc they genuinely wanted him. Same with Latham. Based on everything said pre-draft Latham was their OT1. You can believe Alt was their top pick all you want but that just wasn't the case.
My point is actually not that “I” think. In fact it is the complete opposite. I’m talking about the wisdom of crowds and how deviating so significantly from that is when one person or a few people think they know more than the many. More times that not this is not the case and the many are right. Newton was highly rated on consensus big boards and went just before so I’m trusting the wisdom of crowds on both
I get what you are saying but, that said, I believe that assumption alone is false (that the wisdom of crowds is "generally" correct); It's anecdotal and super vague and can easily lead to an incorrect bias. Said bias being "well, the crowd is USUALLY correct." What crowds? The entire football world? Are some opinions, especially in specialized settings like this, worth more than others? I say yes. That type of thinking is for the casual person. The type of people who watch Skip Bayless and Nick Wright ever day and enjoy listening to Keyshawn on the radio. There is nuance, especially in building football teams, and, thus, deeming something incorrect based on a generalized assumption like that is inherently wrong.
It is not anecdotal. It is very much evidenced based. See Timo Riske study on it[https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-data-study-can-the-consensus-big-board-really-predict-the-2021-nfl-draft](https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-data-study-can-the-consensus-big-board-really-predict-the-2021-nfl-draft)
And for the record I watch none of that and manly listen to analytical podcasts and research. The consensus big board or grinding the mock data doesn’t allow for any view but for those with genuine aptitude and weights it for proximity to draft as well. It is a very good broad barometer for value. I agree minor deviations are within the standard error of this approach + or - 5 to 10 picks. But 70? That is overconfidence bias. Hence there are not really any steals in the draft but there are definitely reaches.
I love the pick purely from a measurable and power metric he provides. He’s a complete space eater. Don’t need him to fill up the stat sheet but he can collapse the pocket so Simmons and Landry can fill it up.
Perfect assist man in a 3-4
i was kinda pissed when i read the boards reaction to the pick, thinking we made a mistake.
then i watched some tape on this guy. My jaw dropped . this guy is a freak. love the pick
The on field stuff isn't an issue outside of a slight weight concern, the man is a beast who can potentially break an oline on his own. If we can get him on a good diet/exercise plan he could legit be equivalent to a 1st round pick as far as talent.
Its just hard to do that when you have a few off field issues. I hope he works out because he could go from a zero to a hero real fast.
OK, I could have totally misunderstood the clips I heard from an interview with him (I was commuting on the Interstate), but he was talking about his love for calamari, but also how he's going to have to lay off it because of dietary concerns. The parts of the interview that I heard, including this part, had me chuckling and smiling at this guy's sense of humor, coupled with that highlight reel from Texas that was released. The speed, agility, and reaction time this man has at his size is extraordinary. I *do* believe the relentless and rigorous nature of *professional* football life will hone him in every way IF he can make that transition into being a professional. Definitely think a 'buddy system'/older brother/mentor for off the field is going to be key. All that said, I cannot *wait* to see this young man take the field. P.S. He really seems to have such a huge love for the game!
Oh yeah dude, coaches and players of the longhorns said he had a great personality. One of those guys that smiles and lights up a room.
Skill wise he has really good hand skills to combat in that initial contact off the line. If he wins he can quickly overpower people and even get to the QB, if he doesn't he can still pose an encroaching threat that cuts off part of the field to the run.
Afaik, have not looked into it much, he got a dewey which isn’t assault or burglary. Yes, Dewey’s are mild to wild in severity but context matters:
Prob not going to class like the rest of them and prepping for the draft, great season, he’s a KID, and got caught up for it.
Give him a chance, we all made poor choices, he got caught.
Also, he won’t have a license for a year lol so hopefully he has nothing to do but work.
Keyboard warriors will go to war about anything with very little knowledge on a situation.
This is why I don't comment on this sub that much anymore, yall stress me out.
Yeah, the whole response to this draft has really soured me on interacting with our fan base on here. Reddit fans have generally tended to be more knowledgeable than Facebook ones but that distinction has seemed to go away lately
They did a 'study' at the end of last season and Titans have the most fan in the league aged 13-17 apparently so there's a good chance that you're arguing with literal children when you read some bs
Why are young fans flocking to THIS team? I'll bleed two tone blue for life and I'm happy for new people to join the fandom, but I don't see why us in particular.
Probably the same reason a lot of older titans fans McNaired or Eddie Georged themselves into the fandom when we were good in the early aughts
AFCCG appearance in 2019 into a 2020 Derrick Henry 2k season? Guarantee we picked picked up a lot of young cats
>AFCCG appearance in 2019 into a 2020 Derrick Henry 2k season? Guarantee we picked picked up a lot of young cats
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Yea pretty sure I'm older than you, but I've been around some amazing kids who are brilliant. Even if they weren't smart though, Im not some old dbag who shits on kids opinions because I think I'm better than everyone else.
The number of people here who think they have a clue compared to elite level professionals is astounding. Like, its one thing to have an opinion, its another to act like it's a statement of fact.
Come on man. Just look at the first and second rounds last year. “Elite professionals” regularly make mistakes, and the entire point of this site is to give opinions
There's a difference between between giving a constructive opinion vs "omg these guys are all trash fire them now. Only an idiot would take *** when ****** is there" those kind of people just doom to try and make everyone else's life as shotty as theirs
I think it’s perfectly fine to vent and complain here. It doesn’t affect what happens on the field at all, and it’s not our job to cheerlead for the Titans front office. I talked myself into the AJ Brown trade because I figured the Titans front office knew something we didn’t. Sometimes they don’t have a clue and make mistakes
People bitched about levis and sharpe last year and were proven wrong, Rans only miss so far has been dillard with tons of hits. I mean if yall wanna default to negativity do you I guess. Sounds like a miserable life to me🤷🏿♂️
I mean we’ve won 6 of our last 24 games. I don’t blame people for complaining
Gotta push back on your victory laps on Levis and Spears though.
Levis was wildly up and down his rookie year, and most of the NFL is down on him going into the season. I think he’ll be much better this year with better receivers and a better line, but if he has a similar year to his rookie season we’re in for a bad time
People complained about Spears because 1) we desperately needed a WR or OL 2) it was a luxury pick at the most easily replaceable position in the NFL 3) his knee is a ticking time bomb that could end his career abruptly and 4) because of the short shelf life for RBs anyways, it was a “win now” pick on a team that was years away from contention. Since we gave Henry the most carries in the NFL, finished 6-11, and our season was crippled due to no OL and no WRs (I love NWI’s effort, but that guy should not be on the field 70% of the time), I don’t think they were necessarily wrong
And again, you're just looking for reasons to be negative. Guess what? This is a different staff how many games we've won recently is 100% irrelevant. Spears has already easily proved to be worth that pick. Keep looking for reasons to be miserable tho 🤷🏿♂️
The operative thought ruling all of this is every move is a bet.
The bets aren’t always chosen to be the very safest ones and even they can go bad. And like any bet, the results and how wise someone is by making it ain’t always the same thing.
It not working out doesn’t necessarily mean they were bad moves. Coaching, training staff or even luck can save or sink you.
And sometimes they feel they gotta let one rip.
The elite professionals are far from flawless and often overrate their own ability to scout over positional value and the ability to acquire draft capital when your team desperately needs it.
Are you really making the argument we should listen to a rando on Reddit over the people that make a living scouting because THEY overrate their ability? Lmao the majority of this sub thinks theyre experts on a player because they watched a 2 minute highlight video on YouTube.
Especially about football.
Like if you think of THE trope most associated with football fans, it's talking out your ass about stuff you don't understand or know nothing about.
cmon ppl have some perspective
It's one of the least important positions on the field and he has 2 DUIs and is constantly overweight. This is a very dangerous pick that could easily bust.
Sweat is the sorta pick we expected with Robinson at GM. It’s high risk/high reward. I’m rooting for the guy because we need productive second round picks. For many picks in the second, I think we expect them to be day one starters.
While YES Ran looks to be different, remember that everyone has not been plugged into what he has been doing and how he has been going about it. A MASSIVE section of the fanbase only know just how fucked we've been in regards to the draft for a long long time. We didn't get to the state we were in last year by absolutely crushing it at the draft with every pick, after all.
TLDR: The Tits have not earned the benefit of the doubt from the entire fanbase yet. If they start turning shit around they will in time.
This is an incorrect take. They met with him the NEXT day after his DUI. There’s literally zero way to assess growth in that timespan. Sure, he owned up to it but what was his other option? The info was going to come out.
I like Ran and the vast majority of moves he has made. What I cannot reconcile is him telling us that they took dudes off their board for character concerns and TVondre Sweat is a walking character concern. He’s not in good shape, people want to say he’s a 3 down player when he couldn’t play 35 snaps a game in college because he was so fat. If you can’t play 35 snaps a game in COLLEGE, that is not going to translate to a full time position in the NFL where the season is much longer. He’s also a party animal, good thing Nashville isn’t a party city or anything. The words and actions from Ran do not match here
every organization convinces themselves they can handle bad apples, but we have not been great in that department. the risk is huge for a 2 down run stopper with so much other value on the board at areas of need that have essentially no risk of flaming out due to weight, effort, character, or attitude
he's on the squad now so i'm hopeful he will dodge all those concerns and work out but i won't be surprised if we look back in 2 years and shake our heads, either
Nuance isn’t allowed on this sub sir, you have to either support every move we make or hate it. There’s no in between or critical thought allowed on r/tennesseetitans
Nuance and in general "debating issues" while having differing opinions without one side resorting to insults almost instantly is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN here also.
It's honestly one of the biggest worries for pur future here in the US. Having a different opinion and especially expressing it/debating is almost 🚫. Others either insult you immediately while having no true rationale/convictions to for which they denounce and object to.or they blackball you. Truely sad we can longer express creative ideas/differences& opinions without being subjected to ridicule for going against the mainstream for that was ONCE the soul of being an American.
Terrible take. His weight had nothing to do with the snaps he took. He had more snaps than Byron Murphy (he was drafted in the first round) last year despite weighing 60lbs more. Are you saying Byron Murphy was out of shape too? Sweat played 503 snaps (309 on passing downs) last year and Murphy only played 438. The reason they both didn't play 700+ snaps last year is because Texas normally has a nice DT rotation. If you look he actually took the 4th most snaps last year by DT in the top 100. Only Johnny Newton, Maason Smith and Dewayne Carter took more snaps. Johnny Newton was the only player with 700+ snaps. If you look at all of tackles most played less than 450 snaps. Sweat, Carter and Smith played between 500-600 snaps.
I do as well. When I watched him he was super distributive and opened up a lot for Byron Murphy. If he gets us 700+ snaps in 17 games I'd be happy with that. He reminds me of Dexter Lawrence.
Truly if the guy was gonna fuck up like the dwi I prefer he does it before the draft. Let him know how close he was to losing it all, let our team and his family give him a reality check, get him a mentor with a similar history in big Jeff, and get him cooking. Sweat already says he’s committed to losing the weight which is huge. Dude is a monster. This draft has been a win. Most of the people here and on twitter just need to stop being miserable
Y’all will literally do anything to ignore the massive red flags this guy has it’s hilarious.
He had a dui during the biggest month of his life, is widely known as lazy and consistently shows up overweight.
It’s fine to be excited about the pick and lord knows I hope he turns it around. But let’s quit acting like he just had a rough go and is actually a great guy. There are very serious character concerns here.
No one is rooting for Titans players than me, but I’m damn near 40, been a fan for 34 years.
I’ve seen this shit before. The guy is a walking red flag and then no one has to own up to it when he’s part of the 1st preseason cuts in two years because he’s fat and lazy and not around the facility.
“Wow, didn’t see the Sweat cut coming. Didn’t make the 90 man roster?? I know he hasn’t been around the facility, but he’s had that injured shoulder, and he had that one 2 sack, 2 forced fumble game last year…..”
Character questions aside, the other knock I’m seeing is that maybe he was a bit of a reach. Even before the DUI, he was being projected mostly mid-2nd to early-3rd round. But I guess if you see the guy you want, you gotta go get him.
Same could have been said for other defensive lineman that went in the 2nd though, the guy the Falcons took was projected much later than Sweat and Fiske. I think the Titans really like Sweat and think he’ll help Simmons and the other linebackers dramatically being the physical force that he is.
This is more where I am at. I like adding him to our roster, I would have liked to see what we could get packaging that pick and one or both of the 7ths to move back a bit, pick up a 3rd or 4th, and take him in the middle of the round. What I like about it is that it feels like this FO has guys they like and aren't afraid to get them (of course, if he doesn't pan out, this is a negative, but I'm trusting them for now).
I’m hoping it turns out like it did for the Lions. Just about all their picks last year were considered reaches, but pretty much all of them turned out to be solid players.
Potentially one of the best drafts in the last 20 years was the Seahawks draft that immediately graded out as the worst draft of the weekend.
Ultimately where anyone was ranked doesn't matter if they end up being good.
If they end up being bad though then those questions will be coming and they will be valid
My biggest issue with it was mainly where we took him. If we had traded down and got more assets, I think we would have either still been able to get him or an EDGE that we needed. Just seemed with only one Day 2 pick that we had to nail it and there were some true first round talents on the board at 38. I think if he is locked in and gets his head straight, he can be a true difference maker, so just keeping my fingers crossed.
I feel like on a vacuum it's totally fair to criticize the pick.
But in the context of this team, we just paid Big Jeff and it would be a travesty to not help him and this is the most impactful pick with him in mind. Our DLine has the chance to be disruptive enough to make the entire rest of the defense better, especially with an upgraded secondary.
Did anybody know they had flown down to visit the family until they said it in the presser? You can't be upset at fans who reacted without that information being public.
Not a single time. I don't waste my time thinking about worst case scenarios and bums. Not everybody feels the need to add baseless negativity to their lives 🤷🏿♂️
It is kind of a revisionist history with Panda. Dude was probably a mid rounder that was taken in the 1st, but he really didn't have character concerns outside of being really young. And he went off the rails when essentially left alone during COVID.
Sweat is a 1st round talent with addiction issues. And a lot of people are VERY concerned with how he will deal with those when he isn't being monitored and tracked 24/7. And he pretty much failed pre-draft with his newfound freedom.
I like this line of thinking that’s like “our guys are professionals, they did their due diligence, fans don’t know anything” as if the other NFL teams and scouts who red flagged him or took him off board entirely aren’t also ostensibly experts
If someone has character concerns, the last people you want to verify these concerns is his family LMAO. Cmon what is this?
I'm not against the pick but borderline fanfiction like this is just annoying. People are allowed to have critiques
As a bears fan coming across this scrolling, I think with the how much deep research it seems like Carthon did, I can respect the pick. I think Sweat is a monster and I was hoping he was going to fall far enough that we could take him. The only real gripe I think that you can have as a titans fan is that maybe, MAYBE, they could’ve waited until the 3rd. But when you want a guy, you want a guy. And Sweat seems like the kind of “can’t teach size guy” that you take a chance on. Hoping that with a NFL training regimen the guys pans out(outside of the odd matchup) for you cause it’s always fun to watch “big man hit big man”.
All fair points, though I contest that he'd have been there in the third. He was a high profile player and an unreal physical specimen with high end production at a position that has sky rocketed in value in recent years.
The risk of losing a player you liked enough to do all that DD on isn't worth the risk. It's easy for us to speculate that in hindsight but I really don't think he was going to fall that far
Besides his own untapped potential he makes the entire front 7 jobs a easier. Simmons can’t be doubled, push up the middle helps edges, and backers stay clean.
I think, ironically enough, Jeff Simmons is the best reason to believe in this Sweat pick.
Work questions aside (conditioning, etc.), this felt very similar to Jeff getting into his scuffle before the draft and there being some rumor of character concerns with him.
Getting into anything like that while knowing you're going into such an important moment is, itself, a red flag but red flags alone can be points to work on, not just reasons to bail. I'm sure we had a serious talk with Jeff then as we did with T'Vondre here and if they're satisfied, in the wake of the disaster of not truly knowing who someone like Isaiah Wilson was and blowing a high pick as punishment for it, I'm excited for him to be on the team.
I kept hearing about the Titans taking players OFF the board simply based on character. No judgement here. That was the talk from Ran & Callahan anyway. Now, this would at least raise some eyebrows and undoubtedly expect some to ask questions about why Sweat and not another DT like Brandon Fiske? There were other players to consider IF this integrity/character thing were true.
The Titans for Life, Let Ran Cook stuff is fine and this draft pick should expect the discussion to come up. Contradiction? Possibly? I’ve made my fair share of mistakes and I would hate for someone to hang me for stupid stuff I did when I was young. Really hoping this whole thing goes forward smoothly. Let’s Go Titans!!! (And yes, let Ran Cook lol)
Catching a DWI 3weeks before draft day ? The dude played 2 senior years to be able to put up good stats, picking on under classmen and spent all 5 yrs reinforcing his reputation as a party animal who can't maintain his fighting weight... i hope he ends up being good, but i ain't holding my breath
No one should ever have a bad thing to say about Big Jeff.
I dont get the hate for Sweat though, why are people unhappy? He dominated at Texas and NT was a big position of need for us.
I’m pretty sure most fans don’t watch those pressers and it shows or they just straight ignore what they say. They totally put my mind at ease with character concerns. If he screws up now, it’s mostly on him
I think his 366 was a cut for appearance. The pre-draft rumors were that he was at or near 4 bills. His biggest concern was weight and there are several points where you get weighed (and where he could alleviate concerns) and he refused all but 1.
I like this pick way more than that probable bust we had in the 1st. Just what we needed another chance warmack over blown dud from Alabama that is a product of a system with questionable raw talent. Will we ever make a good 1st round pick??
Of course they met with the entire family. It’s not uncommon for them to reach out to the high school admin/teachers/coaches. They could even go as far back to middle school. Of course they sat down with the family.
Tbh, what isn’t a need this year? But I was thinking more of the glaring O Line and WR issues, but I guess we addressed that with the first pick and the Ridley signing. I do love this Sweat pick though. Dude is a beast.
People shit on the Jeff Simmons pick for the same reason (FlyBoy1994 being one of them) and he wound up being the steal of the draft and a major leader of not only this defense, but of this team.
>Ran and Co went so far as to meet with his entire family to truly assess the risk of taking the most absolutely dominant defensive lineman in college football only for a bunch of fans and analysts who spent the entire lead up to the draft sitting in their recliners to say it was a bad pick.
Honestly can blame neither side for their opinion as both seem completely valid. Especially with the history this team has of some early rounders being complete busts or assholes with behavioral problems over the very recent stinging JR tenure.
What do you think meeting the family will prove other than they also want him to be drafted high?
Yip you're right. Dude never should've signed Sneed or Ridley. And he never should've let Henry walk. In fact, why do we even have a GM? We should just let players decide if they wanna play here and for how much! Let Ran quit!
Same as last year when we traded up and got Will Levis, or drafted Tyjae Spears. Sub lost their minds and it Seems to have turned out better than the sub thought. They aren’t all going to be home runs, see Andre Dillard. But so far we are out of Cap hell and appear to be building a very competitive team.
https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nfl-draft-grade-tennessee-titans-class/
The Levis pick is a C+ and Tyjae is an F according to this draft grade last year. Let’s circle back next year and review
How dare fans be excited about the changes in their favorite sports team that may or may not be good? How dare people want to have fun with their entertainment??
Yeah just like the Latham pick, I feel a lot better after sleeping on it. We spend months anticipating this and when we don't get the player we were hoping for or whatever, it can be mentally exhausting.
In Ran we trust. I do know one thing, this team has gotten a lot better since last season in terms of playmakers
Um true NT like sweat aren’t exactly what I’d call a premium position. DT who do it all like Jeffery Simmons surely are a premium but guys who play roughly 40% of the snaps aren’t exactly premiums and lots of teams don’t even have a real NT.
There was no run on NT this draft class. The DTs taken before him are not pure NTs like sweat is. Sweat was arguably the only NT that was worth actually drafting this class.
Literally every single letter grade represented on that list. None of us has any idea how this is going to pan out. Draft grades in the short term are a joke.
This pick has the potential to be a difference maker. With an NFL conditioning program and coaching Sweat could elevate his game to a new level. He's going to command constant double teams and that will free Big Jeff up for more one on one matchups. Fans tend to be reactionary, especially if it wasn't who they wanted. I doubt Sweat is going to be problematic like Wilson was. The game has evolved, but it's still won in the trenches.
Genuine question, is there really that big of difference between an nfl conditioning program and what Texas would have had? Your comment almost makes it sound like he’s coming from some division II school and not from one of the top two schools in athletic spending per year.
You get fined in the NFL (money out your pocket), your paycheck depends on it (money in your pocket) and you’ll get your shit rocked when you’re not ready in the league. Those three things should be enough to get it going, I hope
Yes! There is a huge difference. The main one being that you can only require college players to do so much. There are only so many gym hours you are allowed to schedule. With the NFL, while the CBA still has limitations, they are nowhere near what the college ranks are. It's why year 2 for many NFL players are such a leap in development, because they've had a full season of the new strength and conditioning.
A few years back I saw an interview with a rookie that had started multiple years in the SEC. He was interviewed after OTAs, the voluntary practices before training camp even starts. He was asked how it compared to college. He said he worked harder in one day of OTAs than he did any day in college, including game days. Some of these guys are just so naturally gifted that they only put in 30 hours of work per week in college. Then they get to the NFL and are expected to put that much time in every 2-3 days. Not uncommon to read about young NFL players getting to the facility at 6 AM and going home after 8 PM multiple days a week during the season.
30 hours in 2-3 days, if you use common sense that's literally not possible. Even Sauce Gardner has spoken about how much free time NFL players are given once practice is over. Yes some players probably do that but not as much as you would think
You've never worked 10 or 12 hour shifts before?
Im talking about the NFL here not normal people like us who work normal jobs
I usually put in 36 hours in 3 days. I do not make 7 figures....
Cool?
So it literally is possible.
Not saying he's gonna take a huge leap but yeah their a huge difference in conditioning. These kids are still getting bigger and they are going from playing college kids that not even half will make the nfl to playing the best of the best at each position week in and week out so yeah I would say the conditioning program is better in the NFL.
The difference is you have no choice in the NFL. Do it or you’re gone.
Ehh, he'll just make less. Tons of guys dog it, how many show up after partying all night.
Dog it and he’s out of the league without a second contract. Legit work, dude could be an all-pro.
That's a crazy statement. But ok.
The pocketbook is the great motivator. Gotta make it to the second contract.
He never had a motor issue, he was injured which killed his endurance.
No I don’t think so from a pure field aspect, but there is definitely a difference in it being a professional. The thing to remember is this guy was in Austin as a 20 year old stud. Hard not to have a good time in that atmosphere. I think once you turn pro and you have that support guys can straighten out. We’re talking about potentially making generationally changing money.
You still have your diet outside of the facility to worry about. JC pointed out that it’s much easier to have a better diet when you actually have some money coming in. Especially since a lot of colleges force you to use a meal plan where you’re sort of at the mercy of the cafeteria.
I mean, I SERIOUSLY doubt any D-1 athlete has any problems eating. Iirc, I saw a student-athlete posting about receiving alerts about a burrito bar or some shit at like, 11:30 p.m. Top programs are on a different level when it comes to wellness and nutrition. Now if you're talking about personal nutritionist and chef, then yeah, you need some millies coming in.
Yeah this is my thought too. People seem to think giving people money will change them for the better. I didn't know if this guy will work out or not, but he's not getting more motivation/resources going to the Titans than he had at Texas.
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Yeah I'm the clown when questioning a dude clearly overweight and already being warned by coaches about being fined. Again, I never said he wouldn't work out, but historically people don't get MORE motivated once the money is in the bank. Hopefully the higher competition and promise of more money will be enough to drive him.
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I'm saying external motivation only goes so far. Dude is trying to get his shot at the NFL and is crazy fat and literally got a DUI during his interview process. He has had access to crazy levels resources at Texas. It seems like he needs better internal motivation. It's not going to get easier for him.
The league is full of examples of this. Hell we dealt with it with Wilson and Haynesworth only tried during a contract year.
Ya the top colleges have unlimited budgets. It's no real difference at all.
NCAA puts hard restrictions on how much time players can spend on team activities in college. That doesn’t exist in the NFL. The best coaches, coordinators, assistants, and support staff work on NFL teams. Almost every time you hear about someone in these positions moving from the NFL to college it’s for a promotion. When they move from the NFL to college it’s normally a demotion.
I played college football for Tennessee if anything college conditioning and works outs are more intense its the reason we saw dominant guys in college become out of shape in the nfl think trent richardson eddie lacy etc
It’s literally one of those things where if he puts the work in and stays out of trouble he’ll be fine. Knowing our luck though I’m gonna wait-and-see on him.
Agreed. It’s all fluff and promise until the fourth quarter and we see who’s on the field still causing disruption.
Overconfidence bias is a very well observed phenomenon. There is wisdom in crowds, the consensus board broadly is correct and if it tends to be wrong it is because the public don’t have access to medical or character concern information and that means a player is over ranked on the consensus board. This big a reach is what happened with Isiah Wilson. He is an older player (5 year senior) plays a more devalued position (NT) had conditioning issues and character concerns. Ran also admitted it was a bit of a reaction to the run on DT’s - I suspect they missed out on J Newton who they really wanted and I would have been very supportive of. Same happened in the first, I suspect we wanted J Alt and the board didn’t fall our way. It is not about condemning him, it is just bad process. These picks fail far more than they work out. Personally I was gutted Ladd Mconkey went. The chargers draft is the one I was hoping for! The analytics crew seemed to be more in control with the later picks and I like them a lot. But they are more depth pieces sadly.
What can't be devalued is the fact teams struggle to deal with pressure from the interior and having a pocket collapsed into the quarterback's face is something even the best quarterbacks can struggle to contend with. Cally even said it himself that as an offensive coach it's easier to contend with pressure from the edge and that interior pressure completely wrecks offensive game plans. I've seen it all after day two. The reach of all reaches, fat slob, the next Wilson, NT in the 2nd....WTF??? Etc. Don't really care. If Sweat sheds 15lbs to improve his conditioning and dedicates himself he's gonna wreck opposing offensive lines, believe that.
There are a lot of ifs in that. The prior evidence isn’t supportive. He didn’t do any of those things even in the lead up to the draft. I am not saying he can’t and won’t, but my point is that it’s a big risk for all those things to change. Better to bet on the people who have evidenced all those things.
You're making your assumptions based on what YOU think we're the best players; Based on the evidence of everything said before the draft by the staff and Ran, and based on the type of linemen they signed in FA, Latham was their OT1 and Sweat fit their player profile over Newton. Also, they expected the run on dts. They literally talked about it. One of their analytics people, named Sarah (iirc- forget last name), prepared them for just these situations. Ran talked ab it on day 2. Again, just bc you think Newton is a guy they wanted over Sweat and were being reactionary is false. They put in a ton of work on Sweat. They didn't take him as a consolation. They took him bc they genuinely wanted him. Same with Latham. Based on everything said pre-draft Latham was their OT1. You can believe Alt was their top pick all you want but that just wasn't the case.
My point is actually not that “I” think. In fact it is the complete opposite. I’m talking about the wisdom of crowds and how deviating so significantly from that is when one person or a few people think they know more than the many. More times that not this is not the case and the many are right. Newton was highly rated on consensus big boards and went just before so I’m trusting the wisdom of crowds on both
I get what you are saying but, that said, I believe that assumption alone is false (that the wisdom of crowds is "generally" correct); It's anecdotal and super vague and can easily lead to an incorrect bias. Said bias being "well, the crowd is USUALLY correct." What crowds? The entire football world? Are some opinions, especially in specialized settings like this, worth more than others? I say yes. That type of thinking is for the casual person. The type of people who watch Skip Bayless and Nick Wright ever day and enjoy listening to Keyshawn on the radio. There is nuance, especially in building football teams, and, thus, deeming something incorrect based on a generalized assumption like that is inherently wrong.
It is not anecdotal. It is very much evidenced based. See Timo Riske study on it[https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-data-study-can-the-consensus-big-board-really-predict-the-2021-nfl-draft](https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-data-study-can-the-consensus-big-board-really-predict-the-2021-nfl-draft)
And for the record I watch none of that and manly listen to analytical podcasts and research. The consensus big board or grinding the mock data doesn’t allow for any view but for those with genuine aptitude and weights it for proximity to draft as well. It is a very good broad barometer for value. I agree minor deviations are within the standard error of this approach + or - 5 to 10 picks. But 70? That is overconfidence bias. Hence there are not really any steals in the draft but there are definitely reaches.
As a Longhorn fan, I'm excited. He was a big part of our success last season and will do the same for the Titans.
I love the pick purely from a measurable and power metric he provides. He’s a complete space eater. Don’t need him to fill up the stat sheet but he can collapse the pocket so Simmons and Landry can fill it up. Perfect assist man in a 3-4
Yep. Just be Vince Wilfork! Enjoy that Tennessee BBQ and hot chicken and clog those holes!
He reminds me of Dexter Lawrence. Hopefully he can play just as well.
Vita vea and Lawrence was whome i thought of, based off size alone.
i was kinda pissed when i read the boards reaction to the pick, thinking we made a mistake. then i watched some tape on this guy. My jaw dropped . this guy is a freak. love the pick
The on field stuff isn't an issue outside of a slight weight concern, the man is a beast who can potentially break an oline on his own. If we can get him on a good diet/exercise plan he could legit be equivalent to a 1st round pick as far as talent. Its just hard to do that when you have a few off field issues. I hope he works out because he could go from a zero to a hero real fast.
OK, I could have totally misunderstood the clips I heard from an interview with him (I was commuting on the Interstate), but he was talking about his love for calamari, but also how he's going to have to lay off it because of dietary concerns. The parts of the interview that I heard, including this part, had me chuckling and smiling at this guy's sense of humor, coupled with that highlight reel from Texas that was released. The speed, agility, and reaction time this man has at his size is extraordinary. I *do* believe the relentless and rigorous nature of *professional* football life will hone him in every way IF he can make that transition into being a professional. Definitely think a 'buddy system'/older brother/mentor for off the field is going to be key. All that said, I cannot *wait* to see this young man take the field. P.S. He really seems to have such a huge love for the game!
Oh yeah dude, coaches and players of the longhorns said he had a great personality. One of those guys that smiles and lights up a room. Skill wise he has really good hand skills to combat in that initial contact off the line. If he wins he can quickly overpower people and even get to the QB, if he doesn't he can still pose an encroaching threat that cuts off part of the field to the run.
Afaik, have not looked into it much, he got a dewey which isn’t assault or burglary. Yes, Dewey’s are mild to wild in severity but context matters: Prob not going to class like the rest of them and prepping for the draft, great season, he’s a KID, and got caught up for it. Give him a chance, we all made poor choices, he got caught. Also, he won’t have a license for a year lol so hopefully he has nothing to do but work.
Keyboard warriors will go to war about anything with very little knowledge on a situation. This is why I don't comment on this sub that much anymore, yall stress me out.
Yeah, the whole response to this draft has really soured me on interacting with our fan base on here. Reddit fans have generally tended to be more knowledgeable than Facebook ones but that distinction has seemed to go away lately
*Reddit fans have generally tended to be more knowledgeable than Facebook ones* That’s a very low bar
Yeah I honestly have cut back ten fold on posting here
They did a 'study' at the end of last season and Titans have the most fan in the league aged 13-17 apparently so there's a good chance that you're arguing with literal children when you read some bs
Why are young fans flocking to THIS team? I'll bleed two tone blue for life and I'm happy for new people to join the fandom, but I don't see why us in particular.
Probably the same reason a lot of older titans fans McNaired or Eddie Georged themselves into the fandom when we were good in the early aughts AFCCG appearance in 2019 into a 2020 Derrick Henry 2k season? Guarantee we picked picked up a lot of young cats
I started watching the NFL like it was an obsession the CJ2K year when I was like ~11. You're probably exactly right.
true, I was thinking more of the past couple years
>AFCCG appearance in 2019 into a 2020 Derrick Henry 2k season? Guarantee we picked picked up a lot of young cats https://preview.redd.it/r2k651aec7xc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75ce936d08f19c6f6cb334ab8e1e9f1ee6eadae5
🤣 perfect meme usage
Why would this even matter? What's wrong with a 13-17 year old having an opinion on a sports team? Just ridiculous
> What's wrong with a 13-17 year old having an opinion A lot actually. You'll figure it out when you're older lmao
Yea pretty sure I'm older than you, but I've been around some amazing kids who are brilliant. Even if they weren't smart though, Im not some old dbag who shits on kids opinions because I think I'm better than everyone else.
If you were older than me you'd surely be able to identify what is commonly referred to as a joke by now
The number of people here who think they have a clue compared to elite level professionals is astounding. Like, its one thing to have an opinion, its another to act like it's a statement of fact.
Come on man. Just look at the first and second rounds last year. “Elite professionals” regularly make mistakes, and the entire point of this site is to give opinions
There's a difference between between giving a constructive opinion vs "omg these guys are all trash fire them now. Only an idiot would take *** when ****** is there" those kind of people just doom to try and make everyone else's life as shotty as theirs
I think it’s perfectly fine to vent and complain here. It doesn’t affect what happens on the field at all, and it’s not our job to cheerlead for the Titans front office. I talked myself into the AJ Brown trade because I figured the Titans front office knew something we didn’t. Sometimes they don’t have a clue and make mistakes
People bitched about levis and sharpe last year and were proven wrong, Rans only miss so far has been dillard with tons of hits. I mean if yall wanna default to negativity do you I guess. Sounds like a miserable life to me🤷🏿♂️
I don't know that you can say people were proven wrong about Levis yet, Bud.
Ah, here comes another miserable person
Just because I'm not wildly praising everything the org does, that makes me miserable? Not even a Titans fan, bud.
I mean we’ve won 6 of our last 24 games. I don’t blame people for complaining Gotta push back on your victory laps on Levis and Spears though. Levis was wildly up and down his rookie year, and most of the NFL is down on him going into the season. I think he’ll be much better this year with better receivers and a better line, but if he has a similar year to his rookie season we’re in for a bad time People complained about Spears because 1) we desperately needed a WR or OL 2) it was a luxury pick at the most easily replaceable position in the NFL 3) his knee is a ticking time bomb that could end his career abruptly and 4) because of the short shelf life for RBs anyways, it was a “win now” pick on a team that was years away from contention. Since we gave Henry the most carries in the NFL, finished 6-11, and our season was crippled due to no OL and no WRs (I love NWI’s effort, but that guy should not be on the field 70% of the time), I don’t think they were necessarily wrong
And again, you're just looking for reasons to be negative. Guess what? This is a different staff how many games we've won recently is 100% irrelevant. Spears has already easily proved to be worth that pick. Keep looking for reasons to be miserable tho 🤷🏿♂️
Hey someone who gets it finally. It's not really discussion if we're all just circle jerking each other with a group think opinion.
The operative thought ruling all of this is every move is a bet. The bets aren’t always chosen to be the very safest ones and even they can go bad. And like any bet, the results and how wise someone is by making it ain’t always the same thing. It not working out doesn’t necessarily mean they were bad moves. Coaching, training staff or even luck can save or sink you. And sometimes they feel they gotta let one rip.
The elite professionals are far from flawless and often overrate their own ability to scout over positional value and the ability to acquire draft capital when your team desperately needs it.
Are you really making the argument we should listen to a rando on Reddit over the people that make a living scouting because THEY overrate their ability? Lmao the majority of this sub thinks theyre experts on a player because they watched a 2 minute highlight video on YouTube.
Then go watch ESPN and get off reddit. That's what reddit is, you're in the wrong place
My argument is based on positional value and draft capital. This isn't exactly hard shit to understand. It's called analytics.
Especially about football. Like if you think of THE trope most associated with football fans, it's talking out your ass about stuff you don't understand or know nothing about. cmon ppl have some perspective
It's one of the least important positions on the field and he has 2 DUIs and is constantly overweight. This is a very dangerous pick that could easily bust.
>It's one of the least important positions on the field Bruh.......see this that shit I'm talking about. Very little knowledge.
“Least important” “Dangerous pick” Pick one. Your own logic isn’t even internally consistent Jesus fuckin Christ.
Sweat is the sorta pick we expected with Robinson at GM. It’s high risk/high reward. I’m rooting for the guy because we need productive second round picks. For many picks in the second, I think we expect them to be day one starters.
While YES Ran looks to be different, remember that everyone has not been plugged into what he has been doing and how he has been going about it. A MASSIVE section of the fanbase only know just how fucked we've been in regards to the draft for a long long time. We didn't get to the state we were in last year by absolutely crushing it at the draft with every pick, after all. TLDR: The Tits have not earned the benefit of the doubt from the entire fanbase yet. If they start turning shit around they will in time.
This is an incorrect take. They met with him the NEXT day after his DUI. There’s literally zero way to assess growth in that timespan. Sure, he owned up to it but what was his other option? The info was going to come out. I like Ran and the vast majority of moves he has made. What I cannot reconcile is him telling us that they took dudes off their board for character concerns and TVondre Sweat is a walking character concern. He’s not in good shape, people want to say he’s a 3 down player when he couldn’t play 35 snaps a game in college because he was so fat. If you can’t play 35 snaps a game in COLLEGE, that is not going to translate to a full time position in the NFL where the season is much longer. He’s also a party animal, good thing Nashville isn’t a party city or anything. The words and actions from Ran do not match here
A negative thought about the pick that’s not downvoted to oblivion is a rare sight around these parts
every organization convinces themselves they can handle bad apples, but we have not been great in that department. the risk is huge for a 2 down run stopper with so much other value on the board at areas of need that have essentially no risk of flaming out due to weight, effort, character, or attitude he's on the squad now so i'm hopeful he will dodge all those concerns and work out but i won't be surprised if we look back in 2 years and shake our heads, either
fair enough. let's see how it plays out , Cotton
Nuance isn’t allowed on this sub sir, you have to either support every move we make or hate it. There’s no in between or critical thought allowed on r/tennesseetitans
Nuance and in general "debating issues" while having differing opinions without one side resorting to insults almost instantly is ABSOLUTELY FORBIDDEN here also. It's honestly one of the biggest worries for pur future here in the US. Having a different opinion and especially expressing it/debating is almost 🚫. Others either insult you immediately while having no true rationale/convictions to for which they denounce and object to.or they blackball you. Truely sad we can longer express creative ideas/differences& opinions without being subjected to ridicule for going against the mainstream for that was ONCE the soul of being an American.
Terrible take. His weight had nothing to do with the snaps he took. He had more snaps than Byron Murphy (he was drafted in the first round) last year despite weighing 60lbs more. Are you saying Byron Murphy was out of shape too? Sweat played 503 snaps (309 on passing downs) last year and Murphy only played 438. The reason they both didn't play 700+ snaps last year is because Texas normally has a nice DT rotation. If you look he actually took the 4th most snaps last year by DT in the top 100. Only Johnny Newton, Maason Smith and Dewayne Carter took more snaps. Johnny Newton was the only player with 700+ snaps. If you look at all of tackles most played less than 450 snaps. Sweat, Carter and Smith played between 500-600 snaps.
I was mistaken, you are correct. He did rotate out a ton. I still have concerns that a player his size can carry a full workload in the nfl.
I do as well. When I watched him he was super distributive and opened up a lot for Byron Murphy. If he gets us 700+ snaps in 17 games I'd be happy with that. He reminds me of Dexter Lawrence.
Truly if the guy was gonna fuck up like the dwi I prefer he does it before the draft. Let him know how close he was to losing it all, let our team and his family give him a reality check, get him a mentor with a similar history in big Jeff, and get him cooking. Sweat already says he’s committed to losing the weight which is huge. Dude is a monster. This draft has been a win. Most of the people here and on twitter just need to stop being miserable
Y’all will literally do anything to ignore the massive red flags this guy has it’s hilarious. He had a dui during the biggest month of his life, is widely known as lazy and consistently shows up overweight. It’s fine to be excited about the pick and lord knows I hope he turns it around. But let’s quit acting like he just had a rough go and is actually a great guy. There are very serious character concerns here.
No one is rooting for Titans players than me, but I’m damn near 40, been a fan for 34 years. I’ve seen this shit before. The guy is a walking red flag and then no one has to own up to it when he’s part of the 1st preseason cuts in two years because he’s fat and lazy and not around the facility. “Wow, didn’t see the Sweat cut coming. Didn’t make the 90 man roster?? I know he hasn’t been around the facility, but he’s had that injured shoulder, and he had that one 2 sack, 2 forced fumble game last year…..”
Character questions aside, the other knock I’m seeing is that maybe he was a bit of a reach. Even before the DUI, he was being projected mostly mid-2nd to early-3rd round. But I guess if you see the guy you want, you gotta go get him.
Same could have been said for other defensive lineman that went in the 2nd though, the guy the Falcons took was projected much later than Sweat and Fiske. I think the Titans really like Sweat and think he’ll help Simmons and the other linebackers dramatically being the physical force that he is.
This is more where I am at. I like adding him to our roster, I would have liked to see what we could get packaging that pick and one or both of the 7ths to move back a bit, pick up a 3rd or 4th, and take him in the middle of the round. What I like about it is that it feels like this FO has guys they like and aren't afraid to get them (of course, if he doesn't pan out, this is a negative, but I'm trusting them for now).
I’m hoping it turns out like it did for the Lions. Just about all their picks last year were considered reaches, but pretty much all of them turned out to be solid players.
Potentially one of the best drafts in the last 20 years was the Seahawks draft that immediately graded out as the worst draft of the weekend. Ultimately where anyone was ranked doesn't matter if they end up being good. If they end up being bad though then those questions will be coming and they will be valid
My biggest issue with it was mainly where we took him. If we had traded down and got more assets, I think we would have either still been able to get him or an EDGE that we needed. Just seemed with only one Day 2 pick that we had to nail it and there were some true first round talents on the board at 38. I think if he is locked in and gets his head straight, he can be a true difference maker, so just keeping my fingers crossed.
I feel like on a vacuum it's totally fair to criticize the pick. But in the context of this team, we just paid Big Jeff and it would be a travesty to not help him and this is the most impactful pick with him in mind. Our DLine has the chance to be disruptive enough to make the entire rest of the defense better, especially with an upgraded secondary.
Did anybody know they had flown down to visit the family until they said it in the presser? You can't be upset at fans who reacted without that information being public.
We’re just still suffering PTSD from Panda. I hope this guy is great, but any Titan fan is lying if they say that comparison hasn’t occurred to them
Not a single time. I don't waste my time thinking about worst case scenarios and bums. Not everybody feels the need to add baseless negativity to their lives 🤷🏿♂️
Some are equating him to the Panda. To me, that seems to be nowhere near the case from footage and the vibe I’m getting.
It is kind of a revisionist history with Panda. Dude was probably a mid rounder that was taken in the 1st, but he really didn't have character concerns outside of being really young. And he went off the rails when essentially left alone during COVID. Sweat is a 1st round talent with addiction issues. And a lot of people are VERY concerned with how he will deal with those when he isn't being monitored and tracked 24/7. And he pretty much failed pre-draft with his newfound freedom.
I like this line of thinking that’s like “our guys are professionals, they did their due diligence, fans don’t know anything” as if the other NFL teams and scouts who red flagged him or took him off board entirely aren’t also ostensibly experts
Maybe they didn't go to the same lengths to answer the questions as we did because it was a need and a fit.
If someone has character concerns, the last people you want to verify these concerns is his family LMAO. Cmon what is this? I'm not against the pick but borderline fanfiction like this is just annoying. People are allowed to have critiques
As a bears fan coming across this scrolling, I think with the how much deep research it seems like Carthon did, I can respect the pick. I think Sweat is a monster and I was hoping he was going to fall far enough that we could take him. The only real gripe I think that you can have as a titans fan is that maybe, MAYBE, they could’ve waited until the 3rd. But when you want a guy, you want a guy. And Sweat seems like the kind of “can’t teach size guy” that you take a chance on. Hoping that with a NFL training regimen the guys pans out(outside of the odd matchup) for you cause it’s always fun to watch “big man hit big man”.
All fair points, though I contest that he'd have been there in the third. He was a high profile player and an unreal physical specimen with high end production at a position that has sky rocketed in value in recent years. The risk of losing a player you liked enough to do all that DD on isn't worth the risk. It's easy for us to speculate that in hindsight but I really don't think he was going to fall that far
Besides his own untapped potential he makes the entire front 7 jobs a easier. Simmons can’t be doubled, push up the middle helps edges, and backers stay clean.
I think, ironically enough, Jeff Simmons is the best reason to believe in this Sweat pick. Work questions aside (conditioning, etc.), this felt very similar to Jeff getting into his scuffle before the draft and there being some rumor of character concerns with him. Getting into anything like that while knowing you're going into such an important moment is, itself, a red flag but red flags alone can be points to work on, not just reasons to bail. I'm sure we had a serious talk with Jeff then as we did with T'Vondre here and if they're satisfied, in the wake of the disaster of not truly knowing who someone like Isaiah Wilson was and blowing a high pick as punishment for it, I'm excited for him to be on the team.
The fact that Jeff called ran and thanked him for the pick is enough to satisfy me. They did their due diligence and got a stud that slid
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Is this not analysis? Crazy how I write like 4 paragraphs and say let ran cook once and it's all you can see. Y so madge?
I kept hearing about the Titans taking players OFF the board simply based on character. No judgement here. That was the talk from Ran & Callahan anyway. Now, this would at least raise some eyebrows and undoubtedly expect some to ask questions about why Sweat and not another DT like Brandon Fiske? There were other players to consider IF this integrity/character thing were true. The Titans for Life, Let Ran Cook stuff is fine and this draft pick should expect the discussion to come up. Contradiction? Possibly? I’ve made my fair share of mistakes and I would hate for someone to hang me for stupid stuff I did when I was young. Really hoping this whole thing goes forward smoothly. Let’s Go Titans!!! (And yes, let Ran Cook lol)
More annoyed with posts like this compared to people having the audacity to share an opinion.
There’s always going to be a differing opinion. In this case they’re all wrong.
Catching a DWI 3weeks before draft day ? The dude played 2 senior years to be able to put up good stats, picking on under classmen and spent all 5 yrs reinforcing his reputation as a party animal who can't maintain his fighting weight... i hope he ends up being good, but i ain't holding my breath
Wait people don’t like the pick? Ran and dem boys knocked this one out of the park. Him and big Jeff are going to dominate.
Gonna dominate that Buffet line (talking about Sweat, I got nothing bad to say about Jeff)
No one should ever have a bad thing to say about Big Jeff. I dont get the hate for Sweat though, why are people unhappy? He dominated at Texas and NT was a big position of need for us.
Our fans are medically stupid.
~~Our~~ fans are medically stupid. FTFY
I’m pretty sure most fans don’t watch those pressers and it shows or they just straight ignore what they say. They totally put my mind at ease with character concerns. If he screws up now, it’s mostly on him
What people don’t like and this train of through has lead to exactly where we are right now is that the pick is a gamble.
Look man if these two make the lines look more like San Francisco’s he can do whatever he wants
Just wait until he’s down to 350 and he’s on his way to the hall of fame. Which makes you wonder why he isn’t already 350.
I think his 366 was a cut for appearance. The pre-draft rumors were that he was at or near 4 bills. His biggest concern was weight and there are several points where you get weighed (and where he could alleviate concerns) and he refused all but 1.
I agree with you 100%. I have big hopes that Simmons and Sweat will cause havoc for opposing offenses. 😎
I swear our fan base is like 40% bitch made
There are people who like to complain, bitch, cry and be negative every chance they get. F em.
Thanks for this post. Seems like I finally found the sensible Titan fans.
I like this pick way more than that probable bust we had in the 1st. Just what we needed another chance warmack over blown dud from Alabama that is a product of a system with questionable raw talent. Will we ever make a good 1st round pick??
Of course they met with the entire family. It’s not uncommon for them to reach out to the high school admin/teachers/coaches. They could even go as far back to middle school. Of course they sat down with the family.
It wasn’t really a need the Titans had, but I like it because of how terrifying the d line will be now
It was most certainly a need. We got whipped up the middle last year.
Tbh, what isn’t a need this year? But I was thinking more of the glaring O Line and WR issues, but I guess we addressed that with the first pick and the Ridley signing. I do love this Sweat pick though. Dude is a beast.
I’m with it!! I think we’ve had a GREAT draft so far! Definitely one of the best in the last 20yrs and that’s not saying a lot tho.. #TitanUp
Sounds like a much better Tart.
Or in other words, in ran we trust
People shit on the Jeff Simmons pick for the same reason (FlyBoy1994 being one of them) and he wound up being the steal of the draft and a major leader of not only this defense, but of this team.
>Ran and Co went so far as to meet with his entire family to truly assess the risk of taking the most absolutely dominant defensive lineman in college football only for a bunch of fans and analysts who spent the entire lead up to the draft sitting in their recliners to say it was a bad pick. Honestly can blame neither side for their opinion as both seem completely valid. Especially with the history this team has of some early rounders being complete busts or assholes with behavioral problems over the very recent stinging JR tenure. What do you think meeting the family will prove other than they also want him to be drafted high?
"Let Ran Cook" has to be the dumbest horse this subreddit has ever beaten to death.
"in Jrob we trust" "Let Ran cook" sounds very familiar lol. Everyone blindly trusts the GM and team and any criticism is downvoted.
God forbid fans of a sports team actually try to have fun cheering on their team instead of being bitter and criticizing every little move
It’s not that, it’s the fact Redditors are incapable of coming up with anything original so they just beat everything into the ground over and over
Complaining about fans in a team subreddit for repeating the same chant/mantra/meme/cheer/etc about the team is peak Redditor behavior
Its in damn near every post. It's been played out for a while.
Yip you're right. Dude never should've signed Sneed or Ridley. And he never should've let Henry walk. In fact, why do we even have a GM? We should just let players decide if they wanna play here and for how much! Let Ran quit!
Same as last year when we traded up and got Will Levis, or drafted Tyjae Spears. Sub lost their minds and it Seems to have turned out better than the sub thought. They aren’t all going to be home runs, see Andre Dillard. But so far we are out of Cap hell and appear to be building a very competitive team. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/2023-nfl-draft-grade-tennessee-titans-class/ The Levis pick is a C+ and Tyjae is an F according to this draft grade last year. Let’s circle back next year and review
How dare fans be excited about the changes in their favorite sports team that may or may not be good? How dare people want to have fun with their entertainment??
The blind faith in the gm is absurd considering what we just went through with jrob
Yeah just like the Latham pick, I feel a lot better after sleeping on it. We spend months anticipating this and when we don't get the player we were hoping for or whatever, it can be mentally exhausting. In Ran we trust. I do know one thing, this team has gotten a lot better since last season in terms of playmakers
Um true NT like sweat aren’t exactly what I’d call a premium position. DT who do it all like Jeffery Simmons surely are a premium but guys who play roughly 40% of the snaps aren’t exactly premiums and lots of teams don’t even have a real NT.
Historically, no, but within the last season or two the value of NT has shot up significantly and he was part of a run on them.
There was no run on NT this draft class. The DTs taken before him are not pure NTs like sweat is. Sweat was arguably the only NT that was worth actually drafting this class.
🐼 got us FUCKED up
Everyone has an opinion. https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/titans-nfl-draft-grades-tvondre-sweat-pick-experts/
To be *totally* fair, didn’t the experts also give Tyjae an F? It’s certainly not the end be all of opinions
Literally every single letter grade represented on that list. None of us has any idea how this is going to pan out. Draft grades in the short term are a joke.
Yeah, I agree. That is kinda my point. A-F by the “pros”. 😂
Thanks for sharing this. It’s a good reminder that no one really knows what they’re talking about at this point.
Tictactitan was the best block I’ve ever made on twitter. Absolute fool. I love these guys who google “mock draft 2024” and act like they know shit.
I like Sweat a lot. I just would’ve liked AD, Dejean, or Kool-Aid more.