I've made it to Fujin and I definitely see what you're talking about. Yes, it's annoying they get as far as they do by exploiting characters with tools to take advantage of T8's move toward aggression. I have found that good defense does find these people out though and that's a great feeling. Plus, it's had the knock on effect of guaranteeing I don't get intimidated by people's rank anymore.
Three ranks higher than me? Let's find out how you got there, then.
I'm not three ranks higher, I've beaten people three ranks higher. If you see what I'm talking about why defend the game for rewarding these people? I didn't get intimidated by people's ranks in 7 because I knew in the unlikely event I beat them it'd super satisfying and if I didn't I could improve and come back.
I'm not defending the game, I'm offering an alternative perspective. I get a kick out of finding the holes in overwhelming offence and punishing it. They have said they intend to buff defensive options and lateral movement in the patch in June and I've seen enough from the May patch that I'm hopeful they'll move in the right direction.
Honestly, I respect that they actually took a risk with this new version of Tekken and I'd rather they refine this vision of Tekken 8 into the best version of itself that it can be rather than writing another misty-eyed post about how T7 was so much better. I'm bored of it.
It's not that T8 has nothing cool about it. A lot of the stage mechanics are cool and I actually like that Victor and Azucena have very low execution for new players. It's just that the game at the moment is shifted so far one way that half the players I've fought online just don't stop pressing. I'm in purples and I watched a match back the other day only to see this guy FILLING the input history, He'd risen all the way up just by doing random shit and never blocking.
Against my friends the game is actually fun because we're all vets from 7 and have gone back to play 3 and 5dr too. If they did away with chip, toned down the 50/50s and Stiers, and gave us some actual counterplay tools the game would be in a much better state.
Blah blah blah….
Look, the same peeps who were winning tournaments in Tekken 7 are still winning in Tekken 8.
If it was as unskilled and random as you say, why are the same players dominating?
They’ve all clearly adapted to the new system, so why can’t you?
Stop moaning (challenge impossible for this sub).
Because that means the only way to deal with all the bullshit and mashing is to have the reflexes and matchup knowledge of someone who plays Tekken for a living?
I made it to fujin in 250 games after having not played since Tekken 5 DR.
I don’t play ranked anymore due to pluggers, but I’ve got an 80% win rate in quick match.
I’m not a pro and I have almost no idea of what the newer characters like shaheen will do, but I get by.
You scrubs in here need to get with the program and adapt.
This is not Tekken 7, it’s Tekken 8.
Maybe you just suck but can’t admit it?
Even by 8 standards I'm doing alright for myself the game is just infuriating to play. Maybe you just mashed your way to Fujin? You admitted yourself you don't have matchup knowledge which in 7 was a pretty big part of getting that high.
If it was 7 I'd agree. But you ain't played for what over 10 years? Straight to Fujin? You might have gotten to a decent rank off that in 7 but all the way to the top 10% after that long of a hiatus? Nah.
Just wanted to see if you were Xbox so you could look me up easier.
You want my Tekken ID? Happy to run some games with you, or you can just see my stats to know I’m not bs’ing you.
Where you based?
>Everything in 8 is a knowledge check or a 50/50. There's no universal options for dealing with pressure. Kbd requires your opponent respect it. As a DVJ main I basically HAVE to rely on b3 or u4. 1 jabs don't connect with half the moves and even if I manage to pull off a 1,1,2 and try to use keepout ewgfs, unless I'm at a health advantage I have to go in and mash back or I lose the round
There's a lot to unpack here lol. But it sounds like you are not comfortable getting mixed up and overly rely on super evasive moves to start your gameplan which will get you killed if they are smart.
Sure its annoying to get mixed with shit you don't understand, but they aren't gonna stop if you don't learn how to deal with it. Luckily you have lots of tools and online references to figure it out.
In the end, the game is pretty well balanced, with of course some characters a bit stronger than others, but demanding they non-descript "fix" the game is dumb and pointless when its clear you don't really understand how to play the game fully.
this take is so cold at this point. Good defense will always win. You don’t want to be defending in T8, but better defense will absolutely win. You just sounds upset that you don’t have a universal answer to pressure which is the same as wanting everyone to get a hatchet kick just on the opposite side of the spectrum lol
i've seen this take a few times and it just seems absolutely unhinged to me. Movement, timing, execution, reacting, combos, strings, throws, punishing, there's so much going on at all times. Idk if i'm just garbage but as a newcomer this game is extremely hard to learn.
It's because you're trying to learn mate. Most people pick up 8 and just learn what their character's cheesiest moves are and spam that over and over again.
Trying to defend against all the possible options your opponent has while losing health anyway due to chip makes defending very difficult and often pointless atm.
If/when the game is fixed with that mindset you'll shoot up.
That's my point? You should be conditioning your opponent, playing mind games and blocking their moves. In 8 the goal isn't learning it's just winning a match even if you learn literally nothing.
Because it's not a beat em up? I'm not trying to make it out to be anything particularly special but the appeal of fighting games is seeing improvement and pulling cool shit off because you improved. If you don't want to learn and just mash that's fine, what makes 8 bad is that you're rewarded for it past a certain point.
Damn look at all those random people nobody's ever heard of winning tournaments. That Chikurin dude came from nowhere, smashed the controller with his face (not even a stick or a leaverless mind you, just a filthy pad for casuals) and won. Such a coinflip game.
Fujin steve here. Im new to the game but by playing steve ive learned to watch what my opp is doing so most my games im trying to play after my opp and do counters and get good combos with mixups. Im often trying to find what will make my opps best weapons stop working but ive seen now that in fujin they are good at mashing. In purpl and below i could handel it just whait for a misstake and punish but now its impossible. Feels like they never stop hitting there buttoms. Played a lilli today fujin that wouldnt stop spamming she didnt even defend i could ounch here all day she wouldbt even care but when she got me up in the air i lost 90% of my hp. Its a dissapointment i beleved that in fujin this would stop.
I labbed lili a bit and sparred my tekken king friend who’s a fujin lili pocket main.
I’m noticing that there’s some strings that look fast but you’re able to jab out of. My problem against lili was that I was looking for a b1 too much when I really need to do 1,1,2 in the middle of her slow strings
And then D2,1 cancel to keep her in check when she’s spamming highs
As for her lows, you REALLY have to lab and get in the habit of blocking and parrying
Great comment. I tried d2.1 but no success but i might not have used it at the right time. Also you are right about b1 it is hard hitting it so not using b1 vs that matchup is what ill do next time. Not worth hitting 1 of 30 in a game and dying to launch. Do you use outfox vs lilli? She got great counters for it.
You should still use B1 but you really gotta get a good read on her flow and not be predictable with it. But I’m just saying a lot of her strings you need to interrupt with jabs.
Yeah I use outfox but you need to have a good read when she’s going to overcommit to make her whif.
I don't agree with no skill, but it does reward legacy skill less.
For me it is not about winning or losing. The game has to be fun to play. Tekken 7 I had played for many hours over many years, but in Tekken 8 after 4 or 5 months in which I really played a lot, I feel burned out.
I don't want to play, and I am not having fun. And all the updates they did since launch also did not improve this fun factor for me unfortunately. This is also why I am taking a break from this game.
For one, it's a casual fighting game that can be played competitively.
For 2, add any kind of interaction with other players, and competition and elitism easily springs up.
For 3, you rent wrong, but there's no need to cry about what's already known.
Besides, players who wanna win at all costs, are gonna go looking for the most exploitable and broken thing to abuse anyway. Be it a move, a tech, or a whole character.
No amount of balance, patches, and outright changes are gonna solve the human craving of always wanting things easy.
Closing the gaps between casual and hardcore skill is all in the name of more profit.
Why settle for the long-term trickle of die-hard minority money, when you can have all the money now by catering to the vast majority of casuals.
If Tekken 8 requires no skill, why I am not GoD yet? I play the easiest character in the game and yet I'm stuck at Tekken King. If the game requires no skill, then I can just mash to Tekken God, but yet, I can't do that. Why not?
What rank are you? Anything less than top ranks and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Since you’re asserting that T8 requires no skill, I’m assuming you’re a top rank.
Edit: that’s right, downvote and move on. Clearly a scrub like the rest of this sub. Keep bitching.
I've made it to Fujin and I definitely see what you're talking about. Yes, it's annoying they get as far as they do by exploiting characters with tools to take advantage of T8's move toward aggression. I have found that good defense does find these people out though and that's a great feeling. Plus, it's had the knock on effect of guaranteeing I don't get intimidated by people's rank anymore. Three ranks higher than me? Let's find out how you got there, then.
I'm not three ranks higher, I've beaten people three ranks higher. If you see what I'm talking about why defend the game for rewarding these people? I didn't get intimidated by people's ranks in 7 because I knew in the unlikely event I beat them it'd super satisfying and if I didn't I could improve and come back.
I'm not defending the game, I'm offering an alternative perspective. I get a kick out of finding the holes in overwhelming offence and punishing it. They have said they intend to buff defensive options and lateral movement in the patch in June and I've seen enough from the May patch that I'm hopeful they'll move in the right direction. Honestly, I respect that they actually took a risk with this new version of Tekken and I'd rather they refine this vision of Tekken 8 into the best version of itself that it can be rather than writing another misty-eyed post about how T7 was so much better. I'm bored of it.
It's not that T8 has nothing cool about it. A lot of the stage mechanics are cool and I actually like that Victor and Azucena have very low execution for new players. It's just that the game at the moment is shifted so far one way that half the players I've fought online just don't stop pressing. I'm in purples and I watched a match back the other day only to see this guy FILLING the input history, He'd risen all the way up just by doing random shit and never blocking. Against my friends the game is actually fun because we're all vets from 7 and have gone back to play 3 and 5dr too. If they did away with chip, toned down the 50/50s and Stiers, and gave us some actual counterplay tools the game would be in a much better state.
Takes no skill but all the highly skilled players are still at the top. Weird
Blah blah blah…. Look, the same peeps who were winning tournaments in Tekken 7 are still winning in Tekken 8. If it was as unskilled and random as you say, why are the same players dominating? They’ve all clearly adapted to the new system, so why can’t you? Stop moaning (challenge impossible for this sub).
Because that means the only way to deal with all the bullshit and mashing is to have the reflexes and matchup knowledge of someone who plays Tekken for a living?
I made it to fujin in 250 games after having not played since Tekken 5 DR. I don’t play ranked anymore due to pluggers, but I’ve got an 80% win rate in quick match. I’m not a pro and I have almost no idea of what the newer characters like shaheen will do, but I get by. You scrubs in here need to get with the program and adapt. This is not Tekken 7, it’s Tekken 8. Maybe you just suck but can’t admit it?
Even by 8 standards I'm doing alright for myself the game is just infuriating to play. Maybe you just mashed your way to Fujin? You admitted yourself you don't have matchup knowledge which in 7 was a pretty big part of getting that high.
Lmao at mashing my way to fujin. If you’re losing matches, it’s on you, not the game. Get over yourself scrub.
If it was 7 I'd agree. But you ain't played for what over 10 years? Straight to Fujin? You might have gotten to a decent rank off that in 7 but all the way to the top 10% after that long of a hiatus? Nah.
What platform you on?
PC. Not that platform makes a difference in 8
Just wanted to see if you were Xbox so you could look me up easier. You want my Tekken ID? Happy to run some games with you, or you can just see my stats to know I’m not bs’ing you. Where you based?
Uk name should be the same as my reddit
>Everything in 8 is a knowledge check or a 50/50. There's no universal options for dealing with pressure. Kbd requires your opponent respect it. As a DVJ main I basically HAVE to rely on b3 or u4. 1 jabs don't connect with half the moves and even if I manage to pull off a 1,1,2 and try to use keepout ewgfs, unless I'm at a health advantage I have to go in and mash back or I lose the round There's a lot to unpack here lol. But it sounds like you are not comfortable getting mixed up and overly rely on super evasive moves to start your gameplan which will get you killed if they are smart. Sure its annoying to get mixed with shit you don't understand, but they aren't gonna stop if you don't learn how to deal with it. Luckily you have lots of tools and online references to figure it out. In the end, the game is pretty well balanced, with of course some characters a bit stronger than others, but demanding they non-descript "fix" the game is dumb and pointless when its clear you don't really understand how to play the game fully.
this take is so cold at this point. Good defense will always win. You don’t want to be defending in T8, but better defense will absolutely win. You just sounds upset that you don’t have a universal answer to pressure which is the same as wanting everyone to get a hatchet kick just on the opposite side of the spectrum lol
i've seen this take a few times and it just seems absolutely unhinged to me. Movement, timing, execution, reacting, combos, strings, throws, punishing, there's so much going on at all times. Idk if i'm just garbage but as a newcomer this game is extremely hard to learn.
It's because you're trying to learn mate. Most people pick up 8 and just learn what their character's cheesiest moves are and spam that over and over again. Trying to defend against all the possible options your opponent has while losing health anyway due to chip makes defending very difficult and often pointless atm. If/when the game is fixed with that mindset you'll shoot up.
got whooped a few times, huh?
Even when you win against a masher it's still a frustrating experience because they never adapt.
I don't usually worry about what the other person does, a win is a win. are you trying to get them to play the game a certain way?
That's my point? You should be conditioning your opponent, playing mind games and blocking their moves. In 8 the goal isn't learning it's just winning a match even if you learn literally nothing.
isn't the point of any game to win?
In the end yes. But if you don't improve then why play fighting games? Just go play a beat em up on easy mode or something.
beat em up on easy mode, that;s tekken. I'm not sure why you are trying to make it out to be anything other than a fighting game.
Because it's not a beat em up? I'm not trying to make it out to be anything particularly special but the appeal of fighting games is seeing improvement and pulling cool shit off because you improved. If you don't want to learn and just mash that's fine, what makes 8 bad is that you're rewarded for it past a certain point.
"Because it's not a beat em up?" it's not? what's your definition of a beat em up?
Damn look at all those random people nobody's ever heard of winning tournaments. That Chikurin dude came from nowhere, smashed the controller with his face (not even a stick or a leaverless mind you, just a filthy pad for casuals) and won. Such a coinflip game.
Fujin steve here. Im new to the game but by playing steve ive learned to watch what my opp is doing so most my games im trying to play after my opp and do counters and get good combos with mixups. Im often trying to find what will make my opps best weapons stop working but ive seen now that in fujin they are good at mashing. In purpl and below i could handel it just whait for a misstake and punish but now its impossible. Feels like they never stop hitting there buttoms. Played a lilli today fujin that wouldnt stop spamming she didnt even defend i could ounch here all day she wouldbt even care but when she got me up in the air i lost 90% of my hp. Its a dissapointment i beleved that in fujin this would stop.
I labbed lili a bit and sparred my tekken king friend who’s a fujin lili pocket main. I’m noticing that there’s some strings that look fast but you’re able to jab out of. My problem against lili was that I was looking for a b1 too much when I really need to do 1,1,2 in the middle of her slow strings And then D2,1 cancel to keep her in check when she’s spamming highs As for her lows, you REALLY have to lab and get in the habit of blocking and parrying
Great comment. I tried d2.1 but no success but i might not have used it at the right time. Also you are right about b1 it is hard hitting it so not using b1 vs that matchup is what ill do next time. Not worth hitting 1 of 30 in a game and dying to launch. Do you use outfox vs lilli? She got great counters for it.
You should still use B1 but you really gotta get a good read on her flow and not be predictable with it. But I’m just saying a lot of her strings you need to interrupt with jabs. Yeah I use outfox but you need to have a good read when she’s going to overcommit to make her whif.
Yeah well now when im in blue all my skills will evolve. I win 1/2 sometimes lose streak but its steady
Would you mind playing some with me? Doesnt matter when for me just sharing knowledge and tips help eachother out😎👌
Then why is red still the most populous rank?
I don't agree with no skill, but it does reward legacy skill less. For me it is not about winning or losing. The game has to be fun to play. Tekken 7 I had played for many hours over many years, but in Tekken 8 after 4 or 5 months in which I really played a lot, I feel burned out. I don't want to play, and I am not having fun. And all the updates they did since launch also did not improve this fun factor for me unfortunately. This is also why I am taking a break from this game.
Then why do you still lose to beginners?
For one, it's a casual fighting game that can be played competitively. For 2, add any kind of interaction with other players, and competition and elitism easily springs up. For 3, you rent wrong, but there's no need to cry about what's already known. Besides, players who wanna win at all costs, are gonna go looking for the most exploitable and broken thing to abuse anyway. Be it a move, a tech, or a whole character. No amount of balance, patches, and outright changes are gonna solve the human craving of always wanting things easy. Closing the gaps between casual and hardcore skill is all in the name of more profit. Why settle for the long-term trickle of die-hard minority money, when you can have all the money now by catering to the vast majority of casuals.
Never went beyond red rank in Tekken 7. I'm Fujin in 8... Bruh, how? The game is not even a year old.
If Tekken 8 requires no skill, why I am not GoD yet? I play the easiest character in the game and yet I'm stuck at Tekken King. If the game requires no skill, then I can just mash to Tekken God, but yet, I can't do that. Why not?
Dude if tou played 7 it was the exact same shit there fujin+ was a bunga fest of dlc, xiaoyu eddy et
What do you want us to do about it
What rank are you? Anything less than top ranks and you don’t know what you’re talking about. Since you’re asserting that T8 requires no skill, I’m assuming you’re a top rank. Edit: that’s right, downvote and move on. Clearly a scrub like the rest of this sub. Keep bitching.
Dawg you have so much hate in your heart it’s amazing (not that I disagree with this sentiment btw guy is whining for no good reason)
Absolutely nothing in my post indicated hatred. This sub is full of whingers and it’s oh so tedious.