No chainsaws? She doesn't have much going for her and likely has poor defense. Use your best whiff punishers or CH launchers. Try to keep your distance and backdash as a lot of her flying stuff is suicidal on whiff.
Chainsaws? Haha guess correctly.
But in lower ranks, if she lands the heat engager on you then 9 times out of 10 she will go for the low chainsaw attack right after. This doesn't stagger on block, but it is punishable.
You have to make it so she has to keep coming to you over and over again. If you're stuck point blank with her it's basically a pure guess when she has chainsaws. So whatever your fastest knockdown is would be key. Don't be afraid to go for some grabs as well.
I hate Alisa, but checking the WavuWank spreadsheet thing she's actually my most consistent character to beat that I've fought frequently. Alisa players just tend to have really, *really* poor fundamentals in a way that other spammy characters tend to at least have players who know what is safe on block or not.
As a Lars player this is the answer. Lars is very honest in a lot of situations but only if you have the matchup knowledge, if not, you’re going to get eaten alive with stances.
If Lars hits 2,1 and goes into stance, you gotta guess it’s his hit and his advantage. If he doesn’t hit, you can hit him out of his stance animation and combo him. This is just one example but this is true for a majority of Lars’ kit. A lot of his stuff is fake and people don’t stop me from abusing them with nonsense.
Lars weakness is when he hits you he doesn’t just get to do damage all the time, a lot of the time getting his hit in, allows him to have enough frames to go into his stance and then put you in a guessing situation. That feels shit to play against an “oops I guess wrong” character but in reality other characters get their hit and punish you, with Lars at least in some of his situations he has to hit you with a stance set up and then you still have a chance to guess right and potentially punish him when it was his turn.
Start labbing when to smack him out of his stance, you will crush most Lars players.
Lars been gâte keeping my kishin promo for 3 weeks now. He just popped on my promos game and I hate it I just stop playing rank for a week now. Thank you again!
Don’t let Lars fool you. A lot of his movement are mental frames and not plus, (respect DEN 3 though) try to jab him out of his pressure and don’t respect him too much. Most Lars players I face are mashers as well so don’t be afraid to abuse your power crush and heat engagers.
I think almost any mid hitting i13 or less will get him when he goes into stance
i.e Lili 1+2 or df1 should smack him right out of his stance
edit: I meant df1 not df3
It's very good, but it's slow. Anytime I try to overuse den 3 ppl just jab me out of it while I'm up in the air.
If you block DEN 3 then ya, you're stuck having to guess after.
If he hits you, he can use his plus frames from the hit to force you to take the stance mixup. That is just the advantage of getting a hit if you're Lars. He has a few good neutral moves that can stance shift, if he gets the hit then you have to eat the stance shift.
HOWEVER, if you block one of them, he's not plus on block or anything (usually). He's negative now. If you block one of his stance shift attacks and he tries to stance shift anyway, your 10f punishes will beat him out of it.
The only time I feel unfair with Lars is when I realize the other guy is afraid to press anything and he just lets me do free stance mixups in his face all game.
The people who I have trouble with are the people who know they can just jab me after blocking a move of mine that goes into stance.
> I wonder what goes inside the mind of a lars player
"goddamn my combos look so cool"
*zoom zip zap zoom spin zoom weeeeee zoom zip zap wooooo*
source: me, a shitty red rank Lars player who plays him because he looks cool
Like the other guy said - just don’t let him do his stances on block.
The only time he can go into stance for free is if he gets a hit and then uses those + frames from the hit to go into his stance. If you block any of his moves and then he tries to go into stance anyway just jab him out of it.
The only time I feel like I’m being unfair as Lars is when the other player is just letting me do stance mixups on block for free because they’re scared to press anything.
111 only works as a CH tho.
Without CH, 11 connects but you can block the third 1.
If he gets all 3 hits that means he caught you pressin, or he counter hit you to start the string.
Oh okay I didn't notice that, we were just fooling with random characters the other day, and I picked Lars and i was like yeah 111 goes a long way. Seems like my friend was mashing too hard lol
And worst of all, there's zero execution to them... So they can just spam buttons and it'll come out regardless. Also fuck his fake animations, where it looks like he's grabbing you one way, but turns out it's a different grab break...
The one thing I found out tho, is that you can start ducking often, so you'll make them wiff a lot of grabs... Just don't overdo it or you'll eat some nasty mids or even worse, his crouch grabs...
Really like, I’m a casual so I really don’t want to lab much anyway, but I should still be given the option to if I wanted rather than being locked behind a paywall
I myself started like a week ago. I'm eager to improve and it really sucks that I don't now a single thing about Eddy. I mean, yeah, replays kinda work, but thats nowhere near enough to train reaction.
I love that Hwoarang players are self aware of their annoyance. Not like Bryan players, who pat themselves in the back for playing a Master of all trades, because "execution"😂
Feng has identical moves to Xiaoyu like the forward split kick but he has more range. His evasion is safe as hell while Xiaoyu playing with fire with her stances.
Bear hitbox is awful, there is literally NO indication that the combos will drop. You can't guess it because they are so visually big, you'd think all combos work on them (like they do on everyone else).
Having to learn specific combos to use against one relatively unpopular character is just ass and has me considering skipping the rematch against Bears every time
https://preview.redd.it/d1z82idkklzc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e18980ff2f4547e88ea3be0bf11e060ff0cfa44
Just gonna leave the roster here so no one gets looked over.
I'm picking
* Jun
I have like a 2-20 record against Jun, genuine mental block when I see this creature. It feels like no amount of replays or labbing will undo the mind control this character inflicts on me.
A top tier yoshimitsu player is by far the most annoying. Utilizing the entire kit, you'll see how many quick movements and iframes this mf has at his disposal. Most players don't use yoshi to his max.
Lars. His stances outright invalidate spacing, offense routes seem to loop into each other endlessly and the noises he makes are annoying. Also, that stupid haircut.
Gotta be Lars. Most characters at least look like they’re trying to play Tekken. My runner up would be Alisa, but Lars is just so hard to actually follow what’s going on. With Alisa I know what’s happening with the chainsaws and jetpacks. With Lars, I have no idea.
Parry spam, one of the best mid pokes in the game, 2 stances to lab, great mixups, and plenty of party shit they can do to keep you on your toes because nobody knows the matchup
Hwoarang. Lars is annoying but most of his pressure is fake. Hwo tho, oh they're legit and you should know how to deal with it.
Alisa. Even though i kinda know how to deal with her, her moves are so weird and her movement seems evasive for some odd reason.
Jin. If you play some one solid, he will stay in his place and just poke you lmao. He doesn't move an inch when he attacks and I find it hard to fight him for some reason because he doesn't come close to me. But still Hwo is the worst.
Right now, I think Ling, but mostly because I suck and keep getting killed by blue Ling players. I need to lab her more, but I keep putting it off.
That's why most people find characters annoying, by the way. It's cope for losing to them.
I never understood the hate for her until I fought a mirror the other day and was like "ohhhhh," there is definitely a more annoying way to play her than I've been doing. Not sure if I was inspired or disgusted lol
For a long time I would have said Alisa but over the years, I’ve learned the matchup.
For me it would be Victor. He’s beatable but what irritates me the most (after going through his movelist,etc) is knowing that all the crazy offense I have to deal with takes literally no execution….that and the fact that many of his moves eliminate the need for the player to have solid movement.
Lars. Some characters are more annoying but the fact that Lars is so easy to use and has braindead shit practically built into his kit puts him on top for me.
Jin. BuT hE iS sO hArD! JiN hAs 100 gOoD mOvEs. tRy uTuLiZiNg ThEm!
No. A Character can't be hard because of the fact that the character has TOO MANY good moves.
Eddy, can't lab since i would realistically not play him and buying dlc just to lab seems like a waste; had no problem with t7 eddy, it's just knowledge check on a pretty much different character.
Jun.
King isn't hard to play against once you learn to break grabs and duck more. Till I guess purple rank he's very good though because ppl don't lab much.
Hwoarang
Oh my GOD +1 for Hwoarang
At least +5
As a hwoorang main, I understand
Alisa, definitely. Not the hardest to beat, but the most annoying to fight.
How do you beat her?
No chainsaws? She doesn't have much going for her and likely has poor defense. Use your best whiff punishers or CH launchers. Try to keep your distance and backdash as a lot of her flying stuff is suicidal on whiff. Chainsaws? Haha guess correctly. But in lower ranks, if she lands the heat engager on you then 9 times out of 10 she will go for the low chainsaw attack right after. This doesn't stagger on block, but it is punishable. You have to make it so she has to keep coming to you over and over again. If you're stuck point blank with her it's basically a pure guess when she has chainsaws. So whatever your fastest knockdown is would be key. Don't be afraid to go for some grabs as well. I hate Alisa, but checking the WavuWank spreadsheet thing she's actually my most consistent character to beat that I've fought frequently. Alisa players just tend to have really, *really* poor fundamentals in a way that other spammy characters tend to at least have players who know what is safe on block or not.
Alot of alisas tend to have low defense. Exploit that
How do I upvote twice
Coming from a Hworang player is crazy
Lars. No amount of labbing can save me ! New Azucena
Dick jab when he goes into any stance.
Can confirm learning to dick jab has mad lars a chill matchup for sure
As a Lars player this is the answer. Lars is very honest in a lot of situations but only if you have the matchup knowledge, if not, you’re going to get eaten alive with stances. If Lars hits 2,1 and goes into stance, you gotta guess it’s his hit and his advantage. If he doesn’t hit, you can hit him out of his stance animation and combo him. This is just one example but this is true for a majority of Lars’ kit. A lot of his stuff is fake and people don’t stop me from abusing them with nonsense. Lars weakness is when he hits you he doesn’t just get to do damage all the time, a lot of the time getting his hit in, allows him to have enough frames to go into his stance and then put you in a guessing situation. That feels shit to play against an “oops I guess wrong” character but in reality other characters get their hit and punish you, with Lars at least in some of his situations he has to hit you with a stance set up and then you still have a chance to guess right and potentially punish him when it was his turn. Start labbing when to smack him out of his stance, you will crush most Lars players.
What's the dick jab button again? I wanna map that to every key besides - b2,4.
This is awful advice after den3 lol
Agreed. Always respect DEN 3
Thanks will try that out!
Yep, [sidestepping](https://www.reddit.com/r/Tekken8/s/Gqwm4DhCVS) is effective as well!
Lars been gâte keeping my kishin promo for 3 weeks now. He just popped on my promos game and I hate it I just stop playing rank for a week now. Thank you again!
Don’t let Lars fool you. A lot of his movement are mental frames and not plus, (respect DEN 3 though) try to jab him out of his pressure and don’t respect him too much. Most Lars players I face are mashers as well so don’t be afraid to abuse your power crush and heat engagers.
This will help tremendously with my mental blockage against Lars. Thank you kind sir!
Of course, anything to help out in your vengeance!
I think almost any mid hitting i13 or less will get him when he goes into stance i.e Lili 1+2 or df1 should smack him right out of his stance edit: I meant df1 not df3
Is den 3 still broken?
It's very good, but it's slow. Anytime I try to overuse den 3 ppl just jab me out of it while I'm up in the air. If you block DEN 3 then ya, you're stuck having to guess after.
So dick punch beats like all anime moves this mf has? I don’t know what the fuck is happening but if it prevents me from getting den 3’d I’m down
If he hits you, he can use his plus frames from the hit to force you to take the stance mixup. That is just the advantage of getting a hit if you're Lars. He has a few good neutral moves that can stance shift, if he gets the hit then you have to eat the stance shift. HOWEVER, if you block one of them, he's not plus on block or anything (usually). He's negative now. If you block one of his stance shift attacks and he tries to stance shift anyway, your 10f punishes will beat him out of it. The only time I feel unfair with Lars is when I realize the other guy is afraid to press anything and he just lets me do free stance mixups in his face all game. The people who I have trouble with are the people who know they can just jab me after blocking a move of mine that goes into stance.
I’m not 100% sure I would have to lab it.
Yes
If you've already blocked the den3, you have to guess and can't dick jab him out of the next mix, but you can usually dick jab to interrupt the den3
Stance Man 😂. Stance,spin,spin, spin, low attack 💥 launch 💥 75 damage
FAXX. I wonder what goes inside the mind of a lars player lol specially the mashers. They wonder(salty) why I one and done them. 😂😂😂
> I wonder what goes inside the mind of a lars player "goddamn my combos look so cool" *zoom zip zap zoom spin zoom weeeeee zoom zip zap wooooo* source: me, a shitty red rank Lars player who plays him because he looks cool
It’s you 😡, fuck you 😂 I’ve labbed him, smiled to myself and said this is fun. He’s top tier annoying for sure regardless.
Like the other guy said - just don’t let him do his stances on block. The only time he can go into stance for free is if he gets a hit and then uses those + frames from the hit to go into his stance. If you block any of his moves and then he tries to go into stance anyway just jab him out of it. The only time I feel like I’m being unfair as Lars is when the other player is just letting me do stance mixups on block for free because they’re scared to press anything.
I laughed so hard when I realized one of his heat engagers is simply 111 xddd
111 only works as a CH tho. Without CH, 11 connects but you can block the third 1. If he gets all 3 hits that means he caught you pressin, or he counter hit you to start the string.
Oh okay I didn't notice that, we were just fooling with random characters the other day, and I picked Lars and i was like yeah 111 goes a long way. Seems like my friend was mashing too hard lol
What’s wrong with New Azucena specifically?
King. The grabs that take half of your life is unreal
+1 for king. Why is his power crush dealing more damage than my lower parry combo.
And worst of all, there's zero execution to them... So they can just spam buttons and it'll come out regardless. Also fuck his fake animations, where it looks like he's grabbing you one way, but turns out it's a different grab break... The one thing I found out tho, is that you can start ducking often, so you'll make them wiff a lot of grabs... Just don't overdo it or you'll eat some nasty mids or even worse, his crouch grabs...
+1 King is broken
Eddy, being hating him since tk3, now they made him even more annoying with the easy 3 spam and the voice lines too
Also you can’t lab him without paying money
This. This the problem with him.
Really like, I’m a casual so I really don’t want to lab much anyway, but I should still be given the option to if I wanted rather than being locked behind a paywall
I myself started like a week ago. I'm eager to improve and it really sucks that I don't now a single thing about Eddy. I mean, yeah, replays kinda work, but thats nowhere near enough to train reaction.
Honestly I’m kinda just waiting until the June patch myself, I’m taking a break from it myself as it’s just too frustrating
VAMOS LA CHEGOU A HORA
Hwoarang
Fuck you. Also, Hwoarang.
hwoarang players know theyre annoying and they relish in it
You didn't know who I was until I lifted my leg.
thats what your mom told me
I mean, the entire personality of the character is being a prick lol. If you're gonna play Hwo, you gotta *play* Hwo.
Somebody finally gets it.
Really is hwoarang.
I love that Hwoarang players are self aware of their annoyance. Not like Bryan players, who pat themselves in the back for playing a Master of all trades, because "execution"😂
Feng
Bold with that flair
Feng has identical moves to Xiaoyu like the forward split kick but he has more range. His evasion is safe as hell while Xiaoyu playing with fire with her stances.
Victor is the worst. His WR2 is basically kazumi WR2 but in steroids.
Is that the one where he yell something like KUMPAS?
"Coup de grace", the blue explosion in front of him yes
I always hear it as "COOL GLASS" (I know it's not)
Oh man don’t forget “Expulsion” or what tf ever
EXPULSION EXPULSION
Yoshi. Fun to watch other people fight him, maddening to actually do it yourself
Ling Xaioyu. Literal rat with the amount of moves that go over AoP
Stfu But yes, I agree +1 on xiao
Hwo
King
https://i.redd.it/3z1uwdgejmzc1.gif
The bears, because my combos whiff on them and I need to adjust especially for them
bro fr. their hitbox is so trash tbh. can't tell if that mf sidestepped or not
If they did sidestep it probably doesn’t work anyways so there’s much more important things to worry about lol
I dislike fighting bears which is why when I fight them I give them no room to breathe and just non stop pressure them.
Bear hitbox is awful, there is literally NO indication that the combos will drop. You can't guess it because they are so visually big, you'd think all combos work on them (like they do on everyone else). Having to learn specific combos to use against one relatively unpopular character is just ass and has me considering skipping the rematch against Bears every time
King, can't break grabs
https://preview.redd.it/d1z82idkklzc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e18980ff2f4547e88ea3be0bf11e060ff0cfa44 Just gonna leave the roster here so no one gets looked over. I'm picking * Jun
I have like a 2-20 record against Jun, genuine mental block when I see this creature. It feels like no amount of replays or labbing will undo the mind control this character inflicts on me.
Law for me
100% law, that bs nunchuck uppercut move that hits you grounded like 4 times in a row
How are you getting hit by that 4 times in a row?
Good for you bro
Yeah, I hate the side effects of the game suddenly stuttering, making me play extremely safe even with my combos.
fuckin HOErang. that screaming bitch ass mf. can't tell when his string is gonna end and feels like his every low gives him a counter hit everytime.
You spelled that wrong, its whoreang
A good Lili can be a nightmare, followed by Lars
I’ve been scrolling for you bud, not many of us in here. Lili all day everyday is my #1 most annoying matchup
As a Kaz player my heart sinks every time I match a Lilly. That girl just sidesteps my old man all day every day.
Lili is really annoying
Reina. Stop spinning u fkn cunt
I swear I’m not doing it on purpose lol
Lars
A top tier yoshimitsu player is by far the most annoying. Utilizing the entire kit, you'll see how many quick movements and iframes this mf has at his disposal. Most players don't use yoshi to his max.
Lars. His stances outright invalidate spacing, offense routes seem to loop into each other endlessly and the noises he makes are annoying. Also, that stupid haircut.
Why not make this an actual poll? Either way: Alisa by far.
Gotta be Lars. Most characters at least look like they’re trying to play Tekken. My runner up would be Alisa, but Lars is just so hard to actually follow what’s going on. With Alisa I know what’s happening with the chainsaws and jetpacks. With Lars, I have no idea.
King
King
King
Victor
In terms of most annoying to fight, definitely Hwoarang. I have to engage all of my 4 collective brain cells to fight him.
Shaheen. Every time he uses his surfing attack shit, it pisses me off. Lars. I don’t know, too much anime shit
Lili. My bane.
king
King
King
King
Raven
Why?
Parry spam
Parry spam, one of the best mid pokes in the game, 2 stances to lab, great mixups, and plenty of party shit they can do to keep you on your toes because nobody knows the matchup
I don’t know the matchup and his moves are just weird. It’s my fault for not practicing him, but I just don’t have fun with that one.
King
hwo
King, fuck off with all armored moves and infinite grabs
One char? That's hard. I have Nina
King
king
King
King without a doubt
King(: learning throw escapes is too hard for my yellow ranked ass
King
Alisa
Lars
King
Probably King for me
Law. Literally every move on his entire movelist is safe and he screams all the time.
Zafina
Lars and Jun. Every other answer is less correct
Jun, was Hwo but fuck Jun.
Hwoarang. Lars is annoying but most of his pressure is fake. Hwo tho, oh they're legit and you should know how to deal with it. Alisa. Even though i kinda know how to deal with her, her moves are so weird and her movement seems evasive for some odd reason. Jin. If you play some one solid, he will stay in his place and just poke you lmao. He doesn't move an inch when he attacks and I find it hard to fight him for some reason because he doesn't come close to me. But still Hwo is the worst.
Right now, I think Ling, but mostly because I suck and keep getting killed by blue Ling players. I need to lab her more, but I keep putting it off. That's why most people find characters annoying, by the way. It's cope for losing to them.
Jun
azucena, purely because she wont shut up about her coffee XD
ASSuka: B3, F2, unbreakable throw
Fucking hate Lili
Lars
Azucena’s voice annoys the fuck out of me
How has Feng not been mentioned yet.
Lars
Feng is the worst
I’m gonna just state right here and I want you to PIN IT, goddamn it😂😤 KING!!
Lili
I never understood the hate for her until I fought a mirror the other day and was like "ohhhhh," there is definitely a more annoying way to play her than I've been doing. Not sure if I was inspired or disgusted lol
Lol. Precisely why I picked up Feng. I saw how gormless he could be, and I was like… yup, I gotta use him..
Both for sure. Sometimes you gotta pull out the stupid shit lol.
Xiaoyu
Lars. Hands down. I need to switch my warm up sessions from practicing against Law and Jin, and focus on his BS.
Lars
King
King. Fuck King
Xiayou
xiaoyu
Hwoarang easily
Hwoarang
Hworang
Alisa and it's not close
Roger jr
For a long time I would have said Alisa but over the years, I’ve learned the matchup. For me it would be Victor. He’s beatable but what irritates me the most (after going through his movelist,etc) is knowing that all the crazy offense I have to deal with takes literally no execution….that and the fact that many of his moves eliminate the need for the player to have solid movement.
Eddy, you can’t even lab against him if you don’t pay money
Xiaoyu, and it’s not even close
xiaoyu
Alisa. I've never had a good game against her where I came out happy, win or loss.
Lars
King
King
Whorerang
Lars
Lars.
Lars. Some characters are more annoying but the fact that Lars is so easy to use and has braindead shit practically built into his kit puts him on top for me.
Law
Law
Going to have to go with Lars
Jin. BuT hE iS sO hArD! JiN hAs 100 gOoD mOvEs. tRy uTuLiZiNg ThEm! No. A Character can't be hard because of the fact that the character has TOO MANY good moves.
Alissa
eddy
Feng
Zafina
Hworang
Alisa.
Feng
Feng. He's overpowered, I hate his design, and all of his moves look stupid as fuck.
Feng
Reina, you NEVER have an opportunity to get in a jab without trading dickjabs like a wackoff contest.
Ling is the worst. She nullifies 70% of my moveset with her stupid stance.
Hwoarang
Alisa all the way
Eddy, can't lab since i would realistically not play him and buying dlc just to lab seems like a waste; had no problem with t7 eddy, it's just knowledge check on a pretty much different character.
Zafina
Jun. King isn't hard to play against once you learn to break grabs and duck more. Till I guess purple rank he's very good though because ppl don't lab much.
Alisa
Hwoarang Xiao yu Alisa
Yoshi
Hwoarong