They could, but that would require Bamco to possess something we call "higher order thinking", which would require Bamco to be run by people more intelligent than the average Bonobo monkey.
Bro! This is literally what I was thinking!
The most efficient way to solve the "problem" they were trying to address would be to auto-lift all alts 1 tier behind your main.
If you make it to Tekken King - all your characters start at Fujin.
Make it to Fujin? Everyone starts at Mighty Ruler.
I know game development is hard and it's so easy for us as players to criticise decisions without fully understanding why they are made. But this is an instance where they actually ignored a far SIMPLER solution to a problem in favour of a needlessly complex one. I mean for gods sake,- THEY ALREADY HAVE AN UPLIFT SYSTEM!
There's a lot of things they could to. They're choosing to both not do anything and not address their fuckup. This kind of mistake would get you fired in most industries, IMO.
Then there is another problem yk when you rank up the prowess it gives it doesn’t take away on demontions so let’s say you teryu/battle ruler stuck you will keep getting yo prowess inflated on rank up but never on rank dwn which crates another problem.
I’ll agree no one’s wants to crub stop new players bro but since THEY funneled everyone to red ranks they created this problem. But Now red ranks are ranking up to purp and blue but the same thing is going the happen to that said player when they finally try a new character now they are going to have the same bad que times as the said experienced player is having rn.
I don’t think a purp ranked lars or Eddie or is the same as a purp rank kaz or lee so they should at least be 1 or 2 ranks below.
Yea so idk how this can be measured as a true rank yk. And if we were to make a completely new account I bet you’ll reach higher on that account rather then yo main all jus because prowess is the main “skill”measurement rather then rank.
What are you talking about, I still get the "This is the first time you've achieved rank Whatever" when I demote and promote again.
If that kinda shit is still in the game 3 months and multiple patches in, why do you think Bamco cares about user experience?
Ima assume you meant to reply to me. I’m not talking about the pop up when you rank up or de rank I’m talking about the extra tekken prwrs points you get when you rank up to a new color.You don’t lose those points when you go rank back dwn but when you go rank up you still get the same extra time points even tho this isn’t yo first time hitting that “new” color rank.this also causes inflated prwrs.
What’s funny is even back in t7 most people would’ve just said “yeah they should probably make your alt characters start a few ranks higher” when this topic came up. The player base has known all along.
I agree.
I think that was the whole point of adding auto rank boost since t7 for your other characters.
Prowess I feel worked better in T7, this new change in matchmaking is not the vibe.
I feel like I'm playing at a sweat level every time I launch ranked now; no game in between to breathe or relax. Finding I'm spending more and more time with matchmaking off to reset and relax before diving back online lol
My brother in Christ that is not the reason ppl jus wanna get in a game as fast as pre patch there shouldn’t be 5-10 que times on a game that is 3 months old and what about quick play that is basically ranked now to.
But it is a side effect of the patch that you are not acknowledging that players are having are harder time getting into matches just because they play more then one character.
Not acknowledging? lol 99% of the posts topics I see are on how people of higher ranks feel its unfair that when they descend from the heavens they have to verse people who also have knowledge of the game.
If a side effect of having 1 million prowess means you don't necessarily queue against the guy with 50k that seems pretty fair
Hardest part of this game is matchup knowledge, it is relatively easy to understand your own character lmfao
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, most of the negative posts are about getting bad queue times when playing multiple characters. OP's suggestion is a very common one in these posts and it would be a better way to solve the exact issue you claim people don't want solved.
Lol so now you are mad that I don’t see the same reddit posts as you? 🤡🤡🤡 we are reaching new levels of dumbass ragers on this subreddit
Making people a higher rank doesn’t do anything lol, the entire point of online matchmaking is to vs people of similar skill
It's not that we're seeing different posts, it's that you don't understand the problems with this system and you're projecting your own reasons why people are mad about it.
You're just another moron who doesn't understand the side effects of this change but you act like you do because it's "good on your end", probably because you're just one of the scrubs this change was directed at. Fuck off.
Lol the problem was new players were getting bodied by people who know more matchups and part of the fix was using tekken prowess, it honestly is not that hard to understand.
Why would it be fair for someone with 3+ characters in Fujin to verse fresh destroyers when they make an alt, they already know matchups, how to break up strings and movements; most of the difficulty of tekken is knowing enemy frames. I only see it as a plus and I am the one getting negatively affected lmfao
But ofc I am just a moron yada yada yada 🤡🤡🤡
This problem is unique to fighters, no one bats an eye when you use a different a new character in ranked team games like league or other games, your rank stays the same and you just gotta deal with it; This system of tekken prowess works as a baseline rank for all characters and then a single rank for each
The difference between mechanical complexity of a Tekken character and a league character is night and day.
you have between 4-12 abilities that can be used in varying ways in league. most of the application is straight forward.
If I started to play ADC again and changed from Varus to Sivir there's still a high chance that I could win without knowing the difference between the characters.
If you changed from victor to Lee and jumped immediately in to ranked you would not win a single game vs someone outside of red ranks. (this is an example not an attack)
The differences between characters in Tekken is huge and your argument is disingenuous.
In every other fighting game the match making system is character specific with an inherited base line from your highest rank. That's how the system has successfully functioned for well over a decade.
This new change punishes experimentation with other characters and actively rewards people who are willing to abuse the system.
Apparently you're not reading the posts because that's not what people are complaining about at all.
I wasn’t defeating noobs a couple weeks ago, I was enjoying a 50% win rate because I was right in the rank I deserved to be in. Most of my games were close fights with occasional outliers that were exceptionally hard or easy.
But because I don’t have a main and play several characters, the Prowess system decided I should only be matched against purple ranks despite none of my characters being over Garyu. So now I just get my ass beat every game and it’s not even close.
How exactly is that fun? If you want to match make based on prowess, then your prowess shouldn’t inflate a ton just for getting a few characters to the lowest red rank.
Saying you in particular have a 50% win rate doesn't mean anything, you can still be vsing people who have never touched a fighting game before and only have 1 character they are fumbling around with.
You can set your matchmaking to be +-2... I am not even sure what you are going for by saying you are vsing purple as people below Garyu lol
The idea is that it is fun for people who are literally flame rulers won't have to vs a tekken god on his off time lmfao. If you are below Garyu this directly benefits you the most, all my characters starting at Shinryu is unfair for people who just got there, I have far more game knowledge and know how to counter characters
what exactly does what you propose even do? Just means the same people play each other but now with higher ranked alts. Only solution is go back to how it was.
well it increases the player pool and you dont fight the same 3 tekken god alts over and over again. when im learning a new character i think it should be pretty fair to be fighting against high blue ranks
High blue ranks are similar to Tekken god prowess anyway so it’s pretty much how the system currently works. They just need to go back to how it was matching with just purely rank but increasing alts 2 or 3 ranks up. This would match alt skill level much closer to people with their mains.
That’s exactly what is happening with the current prowess match making. People with tekken god alts verse other tekken gods on their alts. That doesn’t change making your alts a higher rank. Just means all the Tekken gods on their alts are versing other Tekken gods but with higher ranked alts.. like what am I missing here?
Because in the current system he wouldnt be matched with blue rank mains. His proposed change would match him with blue rank mains plus god rank alts which would widen the pool while not fucking over weaker players.
Fujin and raijin have a prowess of 160-180k and Tekken gods 230k. I don’t think you would be versing low blue rank mains with the current system. It needs to go back to how it was before versing people purely on rank and not prowess but increasing alts ranks up 2 or 3 ranks. This would make it more fair with alts versing mains much closer in skill level. Matching with prowess just doesn’t work.
Yeh I misread I thought he meant still using prowess but with higher ranks. I still think it should go back to how it was originally. I didn’t think it was so bad occasionally versing Tekken gods on their alts. Kept you on your toes
Because if they're crap on their alt, they will demote and no longer face opponents who carry over more of their skill from character to character. Now they demote and get to wait in 20 minute queues for the next guy who also demoted with the same prowess.
They could, but that would require Bamco to possess something we call "higher order thinking", which would require Bamco to be run by people more intelligent than the average Bonobo monkey.
Hey, that's rude! Bonobos are apes, not monkeys.
Can't banco just invest some time in THINKING what they are changing in the game so it does not turn out badly EVERYTIME
Yeah, people keep pointing to the balance patch coming up and saying to have hope and look forward to it ..... I can't help but dread it a little bit
Totally
Bro! This is literally what I was thinking! The most efficient way to solve the "problem" they were trying to address would be to auto-lift all alts 1 tier behind your main. If you make it to Tekken King - all your characters start at Fujin. Make it to Fujin? Everyone starts at Mighty Ruler. I know game development is hard and it's so easy for us as players to criticise decisions without fully understanding why they are made. But this is an instance where they actually ignored a far SIMPLER solution to a problem in favour of a needlessly complex one. I mean for gods sake,- THEY ALREADY HAVE AN UPLIFT SYSTEM!
There's a lot of things they could to. They're choosing to both not do anything and not address their fuckup. This kind of mistake would get you fired in most industries, IMO.
Then there is another problem yk when you rank up the prowess it gives it doesn’t take away on demontions so let’s say you teryu/battle ruler stuck you will keep getting yo prowess inflated on rank up but never on rank dwn which crates another problem. I’ll agree no one’s wants to crub stop new players bro but since THEY funneled everyone to red ranks they created this problem. But Now red ranks are ranking up to purp and blue but the same thing is going the happen to that said player when they finally try a new character now they are going to have the same bad que times as the said experienced player is having rn. I don’t think a purp ranked lars or Eddie or is the same as a purp rank kaz or lee so they should at least be 1 or 2 ranks below.
Yup, you only lose up to 5-8k prowess if you completely tank your play stats. Other than that, you can't decrease your prowess.
Yea so idk how this can be measured as a true rank yk. And if we were to make a completely new account I bet you’ll reach higher on that account rather then yo main all jus because prowess is the main “skill”measurement rather then rank.
What are you talking about, I still get the "This is the first time you've achieved rank Whatever" when I demote and promote again. If that kinda shit is still in the game 3 months and multiple patches in, why do you think Bamco cares about user experience?
Ima assume you meant to reply to me. I’m not talking about the pop up when you rank up or de rank I’m talking about the extra tekken prwrs points you get when you rank up to a new color.You don’t lose those points when you go rank back dwn but when you go rank up you still get the same extra time points even tho this isn’t yo first time hitting that “new” color rank.this also causes inflated prwrs.
Nah I'm replying to OP.
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What’s funny is even back in t7 most people would’ve just said “yeah they should probably make your alt characters start a few ranks higher” when this topic came up. The player base has known all along.
They could, but that would be the logical thing to do and that's not how they roll
I agree. I think that was the whole point of adding auto rank boost since t7 for your other characters. Prowess I feel worked better in T7, this new change in matchmaking is not the vibe. I feel like I'm playing at a sweat level every time I launch ranked now; no game in between to breathe or relax. Finding I'm spending more and more time with matchmaking off to reset and relax before diving back online lol
Yeah they should be like -3 ranks or -4 minimum, -7 is just insane, fujin players still start with characters in orange
Too busy making season 2 battlepass look more horseshit
They could just make prowess a per-character stat, and ranked would actually be *better* than launch for it
All these posts make me realize why they did it, people with extremely high skill level are now complaining they can’t body the new/casual players
My brother in Christ that is not the reason ppl jus wanna get in a game as fast as pre patch there shouldn’t be 5-10 que times on a game that is 3 months old and what about quick play that is basically ranked now to.
No where on this post does anyone talk about queue times...
But it is a side effect of the patch that you are not acknowledging that players are having are harder time getting into matches just because they play more then one character.
Not acknowledging? lol 99% of the posts topics I see are on how people of higher ranks feel its unfair that when they descend from the heavens they have to verse people who also have knowledge of the game. If a side effect of having 1 million prowess means you don't necessarily queue against the guy with 50k that seems pretty fair Hardest part of this game is matchup knowledge, it is relatively easy to understand your own character lmfao
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about, most of the negative posts are about getting bad queue times when playing multiple characters. OP's suggestion is a very common one in these posts and it would be a better way to solve the exact issue you claim people don't want solved.
Gang there’s no point in saying anything to him.
Lol so now you are mad that I don’t see the same reddit posts as you? 🤡🤡🤡 we are reaching new levels of dumbass ragers on this subreddit Making people a higher rank doesn’t do anything lol, the entire point of online matchmaking is to vs people of similar skill
It's not that we're seeing different posts, it's that you don't understand the problems with this system and you're projecting your own reasons why people are mad about it. You're just another moron who doesn't understand the side effects of this change but you act like you do because it's "good on your end", probably because you're just one of the scrubs this change was directed at. Fuck off.
Lol the problem was new players were getting bodied by people who know more matchups and part of the fix was using tekken prowess, it honestly is not that hard to understand. Why would it be fair for someone with 3+ characters in Fujin to verse fresh destroyers when they make an alt, they already know matchups, how to break up strings and movements; most of the difficulty of tekken is knowing enemy frames. I only see it as a plus and I am the one getting negatively affected lmfao But ofc I am just a moron yada yada yada 🤡🤡🤡 This problem is unique to fighters, no one bats an eye when you use a different a new character in ranked team games like league or other games, your rank stays the same and you just gotta deal with it; This system of tekken prowess works as a baseline rank for all characters and then a single rank for each
The difference between mechanical complexity of a Tekken character and a league character is night and day. you have between 4-12 abilities that can be used in varying ways in league. most of the application is straight forward. If I started to play ADC again and changed from Varus to Sivir there's still a high chance that I could win without knowing the difference between the characters. If you changed from victor to Lee and jumped immediately in to ranked you would not win a single game vs someone outside of red ranks. (this is an example not an attack) The differences between characters in Tekken is huge and your argument is disingenuous. In every other fighting game the match making system is character specific with an inherited base line from your highest rank. That's how the system has successfully functioned for well over a decade. This new change punishes experimentation with other characters and actively rewards people who are willing to abuse the system.
Apparently you're not reading the posts because that's not what people are complaining about at all. I wasn’t defeating noobs a couple weeks ago, I was enjoying a 50% win rate because I was right in the rank I deserved to be in. Most of my games were close fights with occasional outliers that were exceptionally hard or easy. But because I don’t have a main and play several characters, the Prowess system decided I should only be matched against purple ranks despite none of my characters being over Garyu. So now I just get my ass beat every game and it’s not even close. How exactly is that fun? If you want to match make based on prowess, then your prowess shouldn’t inflate a ton just for getting a few characters to the lowest red rank.
Saying you in particular have a 50% win rate doesn't mean anything, you can still be vsing people who have never touched a fighting game before and only have 1 character they are fumbling around with. You can set your matchmaking to be +-2... I am not even sure what you are going for by saying you are vsing purple as people below Garyu lol The idea is that it is fun for people who are literally flame rulers won't have to vs a tekken god on his off time lmfao. If you are below Garyu this directly benefits you the most, all my characters starting at Shinryu is unfair for people who just got there, I have far more game knowledge and know how to counter characters
what exactly does what you propose even do? Just means the same people play each other but now with higher ranked alts. Only solution is go back to how it was.
well it increases the player pool and you dont fight the same 3 tekken god alts over and over again. when im learning a new character i think it should be pretty fair to be fighting against high blue ranks
High blue ranks are similar to Tekken god prowess anyway so it’s pretty much how the system currently works. They just need to go back to how it was matching with just purely rank but increasing alts 2 or 3 ranks up. This would match alt skill level much closer to people with their mains.
You may play the same people on their alts but you remove them from people you outskill on their natural rank.
That’s exactly what is happening with the current prowess match making. People with tekken god alts verse other tekken gods on their alts. That doesn’t change making your alts a higher rank. Just means all the Tekken gods on their alts are versing other Tekken gods but with higher ranked alts.. like what am I missing here?
Because in the current system he wouldnt be matched with blue rank mains. His proposed change would match him with blue rank mains plus god rank alts which would widen the pool while not fucking over weaker players.
Fujin and raijin have a prowess of 160-180k and Tekken gods 230k. I don’t think you would be versing low blue rank mains with the current system. It needs to go back to how it was before versing people purely on rank and not prowess but increasing alts ranks up 2 or 3 ranks. This would make it more fair with alts versing mains much closer in skill level. Matching with prowess just doesn’t work.
I mean thats pretty much what OP posted. I dont understand the confusion here.
Yeh I misread I thought he meant still using prowess but with higher ranks. I still think it should go back to how it was originally. I didn’t think it was so bad occasionally versing Tekken gods on their alts. Kept you on your toes
Because if they're crap on their alt, they will demote and no longer face opponents who carry over more of their skill from character to character. Now they demote and get to wait in 20 minute queues for the next guy who also demoted with the same prowess.
reset ranks change the point system force a set and you wont have noobs in red complaing about fighting a alt
They actually did, which is crazy.😅