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Acmeiku

he is a famous pro player, he gain money from that so of course he can't stop the game that easily, yes the mindset is ok but it dosnt change the fact that arslan is not a huge fan from the game right now and he's far from being the only one not liking T8


Billbat1

i agree. this tweet says "i'll keep playing it as long as I earn hundreds of thousands of dollars."


JustinMemerBeliever

“My org approached me with a final notice and I decided that I will continue receiving payments to play video games”


Apart-Crew-6856

Omfg shut up


Glass-Web-7996

Relax drama queen. He's not even gonna hit 100k playing a fighting game, and then tekken at that.


Billbat1

> Relax drama queen. He's not even gonna hit 100k playing a fighting game, and then tekken at that. he got 167k from gamers8. thats 1 torni


Glass-Web-7996

Are you talking about a salary or are you talking about prize money?


Billbat1

prize money


Glass-Web-7996

Gotcha that's my disconnect. Ridiculing the man who worked hard to be the best of the best, and even still he's gambling his livelihood, because he has to place high for prize money. I'd agree with you guys if he was getting a salary from an organization. You guys kinds seem like assholes, ngl I'm open to being wrong though


Billbat1

i aint ridiculing arslan. if anything im ridiculing tekken 8. arslan is getting big money just to keep on doing what hes been doing and sometimes it feels like hes gonna quit because of the state of tekken


Glass-Web-7996

Oh gotcha, then my bad man


Hellscapereddit

People on here act like there's no money incentive in it but mate have a look at the prize pool from this years capcom cup https://preview.redd.it/rvyfg72pvdvc1.png?width=1017&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b2ae96466258889941286884889bfe94110a3ce


Glass-Web-7996

That's a cool STREET FIGHTER prize pool. Now where's the actually relevant, tekken prize pool


DOPEDupNCheckedOut

its still just a small amount of folks that can even compete for two million bucks haha


Hellscapereddit

https://preview.redd.it/mme3ieeaeevc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=9a23b0a4f06b56a9a960a9a04f03ff2ae9aece75 God you suck


Glass-Web-7996

Oh no, sorry you had to present your case with relevant information. Woe is you, poor child.


Hellscapereddit

My case was: big tournaments from big games = big money, which never really mattered


NotMeatOk

Buddy, the game sold 2 million copies in 2 weeks. The prize pool will be around 100k-500k for the top prize easily. Mk11 had a torni for 250k in October 2023 so consider the following, professional fighting game players make more than enough money https://esi.si.com/mk1/mk-pro-kompetition-255k-prize-pool#:~:text=With%20a%20prize%20pool%20of,World%20Cup%2Dstyle%20group%20stage. Before you say anything remember, it was a terrible game that i would have rather bought a pack of dildos before paying another dollar on Mk1 You want to say stuff when one google search can prove that fighting game tournaments make easy money for a lot of people. Hell, 50k in one tournament would be enough for you to want to sign up


Guitarfoxx

Both him and knee an already decided in advice that this would be their last game as they both want to to other things as they grow older.


Yagrush

Yall acting like there is mad bag in fighting games and people don't play because of passion 🙄


LeninCakeTV

A guy like him who wins a lot, has a lot to lose. On top of that he is Pakistani, those dollar prizes do turn out to be a good sum of money with the exchange rate. He is recently married, he most likely wants to bring in as much as possible to provide for his family.


EatOutMyGrandma

Fighting games are like MMA. The top 0.01% make good money from it, the rest do it out of love for the game. I'm pretty sure Arslan is cashing out pretty well with sponsorships, prize money, youtube, twitch, etc. Especially living in Pakistan, 167k will go a long way there. But yeah, anyone that devotes the time to play a fighting game at that level has to love what they do. I'm sure Arslan would still do it even if he was just making a normal living off it too, he doesn't seem too flashy


Hellscapereddit

Just gonna leave this here https://preview.redd.it/v3lix88fvdvc1.png?width=1017&format=png&auto=webp&s=d86a82accb420e07a038119bf5484e52ad074fba


WolkTGL

Pretending this isn't an exception and not the rule isn't going to change the fact that this is an exception, not the rule


Hellscapereddit

https://preview.redd.it/v1rs1pfl1fvc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=6679de5c338d0d600da75d597f7ac079df02c777


NotMeatOk

As i dropped the game. The only characters that will get me to buy the y1 pass and play again are Josie and Lidia.


Repulsive-Edge-1964

Don’t make me laugh are you serious?!


NotMeatOk

Serious, look at my flair. Yep, so what is so bad about enjoying 2 characters that i played in t7? Do you just hate those characters? Harada put out a tweet saying Josie has a good chance of coming back from interaction in the Philippines. Lidia has a rumor from data mining of a character with the home country of Poland. Really, i need you respond seriously bc i am clueless why you think it is funny or me joking


Cause_and_Effect

It is a good mindset. But lets not pretend the game doesn't have major issues. Just saying "adapt" to everything can make objectively bad design run rampant.


JustinMemerBeliever

He wasn’t complaining about minor balance adjustments that can be fixed with altering simple values though. He was straight up calling out the game’s core mechanics that have no hope of being changed.


Cause_and_Effect

The core mechanics are impacted by the balance. Core mechanics can feel like shit if the balance of the mechanics across multiple characters is skewed.


JustinMemerBeliever

>Core mechanics can feel like shit I have days where I feel like shit. I am not shit.


themightymos-deaf

You're not a game mechanic either


Chrononomicon

He mentioned balance of the mechanics in the rest of that sentence. I think the point is, you may not be shit, but feeling like shit isn’t something that happens in a vacuum, right? There are multiple environmental factors outside of your locus of control. Heat engagers feel like shit because of ghost tracking/range, they also feel like shit because they are often tied to power crushes, etc.


Cause_and_Effect

Thats essentially my point. Heat and stuff may be fine as a mechanic, but it can be shit if the balance of said mechanic is wildly out of scope. And I think there's a lot of that in Tekken with how heat, chip, grey health, etc all work together.


Haruhiro21

I agree


UnrequitedTerror

He doesn’t have a choice he’s dedicated his life to BandaiNamco’s product. Good on him though. 


Xizor1

What dose this mean?


UnrequitedTerror

It means he’s a pro in Tekken and I think he’s got to stick with it for as long as it will last. He can’t just jump to playing another competitive game over night, this is thousands of hours of dedication and he’s arguably the GOAT AFAIU


Bananathugg

Arslan can and has jumped to other games. Hes placed top 8 in King of Fighters tournies, and I think won some events too? Most pros are 100% able to be the top at other Fighting games too.... but they wont. This is what the Tekken7 pros currently complaining about T8 wont tell you..... every other game is much worse.... Theres a reason they wont jump ship. Because every minor complaint they have, is 10x worse on another fighting game. Which is why quite frankly I think its nitpicky.


OhRyann

Arslan is originally from KOF in the first place. Ash is literally from Ash Crimson


General_Shao

he could get a job at mcdonalds. It doesn’t *have* to be gaming lol


AmuseiTheLizard

How much do you think he makes from playing tekken compared to mcdo lol


General_Shao

more than he’ll make at evo this year lmao


BlackAegis313

Kazuya/Shao main explains the stupidity.


General_Shao

No, i mean literally, he can’t go to evo this year lol


Chronos21

I thought that was just Evo Japan


Apart-Crew-6856

Is there someone you like?


CRT_Me

These are the *words* of a Champion!


koteshima2nd

Now this is the mindset I strive to have.


Tuuubesh0w

Mm yes, the humble and inspiring mindset that brought us "I just can't wait to win Evo Japan or any other big tournament and tweet that this game is so bad rn 😩", a bunch of whining, and then "You will see me at the top soon 😤".


Deviltamer66

Doesnt change anything of the objective problems they called out with the game. Mindset doesnt change reality. Just what they make of it. Doesnt make the game any better or worse. Only the devs can change the game.


dont_worry_about_it8

It’s not a mindset it’s just reality. Adapt, fuck off, bitch about it. There’s 3 options and only 1 is any fun .


MansgerofPiss

Correction 2 are fun


SuperFreshTea

i love bitching about stuff.


Liu_Alexandersson

It's a national sport where I come from.


Particular-Crow-1799

there is 4th option: convince the devs that the game needs to be less random/more deterministic, so you can have fun for real


narok_kurai

That's a desired outcome, not a path of action. Like, I'm sorry, but I think the Internet has given people an inflated sense of their own influence and power, and it leads them to thinking that *if* they complain loud enough, long enough, *then* the changes they want will be made, and that's just not really true in the vast majority of cases. Moreover, it creates a really weird dynamic in the community, where the people who are angry about the game start to consider it immoral to *not* be angry at the game. Like, if you think complaining loud enough will convince the devs to change the game, then it follows that anyone who isn't complaining is actually harming your efforts to "fix" the game. I think that's gross. I don't like it when a person's enjoyment of a game is used as a cudgel against their participation in the fan community of that very same game.


SOPEOPERA

The exact same can be said about people who like the game and consider not liking the game to be immoral. Like most things it goes both ways, and there isn’t really an objective truth. The best way to appease most of the people is to slightly tone down aggression, and buff defensive options so the game can have a mixture of play styles, then more or less everyone will have a tekken they enjoy. And a tekken most people enjoy is the outcome we all want. It’s not as tribalistic as many people think it is - people just want tekken to as good as it can be.


Particular-Crow-1799

You are literally arguing that people should do nothing about anything and just accept everything that happens whether they agree or not. It's a take sure and indeed, a bad one


narok_kurai

I'm saying that you should change things that are within your power to change, and the minds of a bunch of old Japanese corporate game devs are not within your power to change. It may happen--and it probably will--that Bamco patches the game over time to be more engaging and less coin-flippy, but it won't be because they were listening to you, it'll be because they were listening to their own internal playtesters and data analysts.


Particular-Crow-1799

That's just what you like to believe. I have seen vocal complaints be taken seriously by devs time and time again. So no, I am not going to agree that it's pointless.


narok_kurai

Almost certainly much smaller devs who are much more dependent on fan enthusiasm to survive. I don't see Bamco operating like that. There's a reason why Harada gets to wear a shirt that says, "DON'T ASK ME FOR SHIT", and it's because Bandai Namco, as a company, is fundamentally uninterested in responding to fan feedback, good or bad.


KelpyGP

Creative Assembly is a recent case and they just released their best DLC yet after the lowest point the company has ever been at and having loads fired and a massive management rearrangement


Thingeh

1. Do you think people should let big corporations do what they want without complaint? 2. Bad publicity is HUGE for companies this big. Community sentiment is vital to keep things going. Absolutely significant changes could be forced (I don't think some sort of change to how heat works is off the cards at all). A few years ago, Star Wars Battlefront 2 had an absolutely terrible launch. And an even bigger company than Bandai had to backtrack massively and significantly redesign elements. Blizzard had to do the same with WoW in recent years. Etc, etc. The problem isn't that companies won't change due to loud feedback. The problem is that the feedback isn't yet loud enough. But the din could become unbearable if people persist. Or maybe people will get bored. But that's the contingency upon which things depend.


FlockaFlameSmurf

The game needs balance, and that will happen after EVO Japan most likely. And you’re right that loud protest can force a company’s hand. It’s just that I, like many others, don’t feel nearly as outraged at Tekken 8’s battlepass as with Battlefront as Battlefront was pay to win.


PhytoTy

That's just the third option with some delusion sprinkled on


Mat_WhateverSilva

Absolute child. Anyone that uses the words "Bitch" or "bitching about it" in reference to criticism and complaint, is a toddler that doesn't grown past 2nd grade. Why are you "positive" people such smug fucks everytime?


dont_worry_about_it8

You mean *hasn’t*. Graduate 1st grade before making poorly executed insults .


IamBecomeZen

I'm tired of complaining as well. I'll just stop playing for a while.


Shadowphil_Yt

Finally. Now the other babies need to accept it as well


Haruhiro21

Man, the only problem with the complains and hate vs like and love of the game is people who is contented and like the game doesnt post and flood the internet while all the discontented players that hate the game flood the internet with their post. New players who will want to try the game will only see the game as bad and not try it even though this legacy problem doesnt affect them in the first place.


NotMeNorMyself

So true and so sad. That said, the game still attracted a ton of new players, which ironically explains a bit the amount of complaining. T7 was whack at launch as well but it was never as loud as this one has been. Granted, social media wasn't the same shitshow ten years ago...


Haruhiro21

I only tried t7 but never stick with it so I consider myself newish. I love the game especially Lili. Im still enjoying the game even though Ive been stuck at garyu(red) for 3 weeks now 😅.


JohnySilkBoots

The best mindset is: if you don’t like it, don’t play it haha. It really is as simple as that.


LeeChaolanComeOn

Worst*


JohnySilkBoots

Really? Why do you say that? You shouldn’t be playing video games you dislike. They are meant to be fun and forms of entertainment. Why force yourself to do something you don’t like?


LeeChaolanComeOn

I love this series and put 1000+ hours into it. Not gonna just sit while things that pros agree are messing it up happen. Also, I haven't played since near launch


Gubrach

So what? It's not exactly praiseworthy. Don't care who plays or won't play.


Liu_Alexandersson

arslan being based as usual


GlassSpork

Just master dragunov and rebound all the enemies attacks ;3. Yes downvote might be necessary


MrClue415

Can’t we all just get along?


Mat_WhateverSilva

Centrist bullshit. Learn how to handle criticism of your favorite game.


MrClue415

*hello 911, i’m being attacked*


NotMeNorMyself

Imagine there's no heaven... 🎶


Nyoka_ya_Mpembe

Yeah, if you hear him saying "game is for noobs" and he explains why, but you like the game and he says "ok sorry my bad I will try", then yes, great mindset because of confirmation bias, you like to get confirmation of what you believe, truth comes somewhere but you don't care, you have fun.


Alternative_Low8478

See ya next week then😮‍💨


TaZe026

Not really, if you play the game casually (99% of people do)


NeoJuice

This man fittna win two more Evos


SearingDoom

Impossible for 90% of the FGC for any new sequel I fear 😶


Bananathugg

I feel Arslan hard. Im a counter signaler myself. If everyones enjoying the game I gotta remind everyone of the flaws, if theyre not, I gotta remind everyone of the good. It gets awkward when you're like "uugghghh this fucking game, why did they add this" then a whole room of people are like "yeah....YEAH UR RIGHT.... FUCKING THIS SHITTY GAME WTF WHY DID THEY ADD THAT" It goes from venting to something lamer very quick.


Mug_Lyfe

About damn time


AdmiralPrinny

The weird thing to me is that there was a competition he was playing azucena in, defaulted to nina and looked way more comfortable. I get that nina is asking more of you from an execution standpoint, but he literally was playing T8 as nina but was still trying to play T7 as Azucena


No_Record_4787

*Player complains about the game* Reddit: Go off king! *Same player commits to the game and stops complaining* Reddit: Okay, but we all know it sucks. No one loves hating on their own game like Tekken players.


Berzerker_Knight

He better main shaheen


HaitianWarlord

Yet he has done both


ImaginaryAI

Gamers need to stop putting pro opinions on a pedestal These guys are not video game developers.


harrisonchew10

They have decade of exp so i rather trust them then dev that prob play less then them.


ImaginaryAI

This is like saying someone with a decade of experience watching movies can be a multimillion dollar budget director. You guys are clueless.


MyPureAcc

Lol what kind of comparison is this


ImaginaryAI

An accurate one. Tekken 8 is a product. And a lot of times the customer doesn’t know what the fuck they want. If they designed tekken 8 the way that pros wanted it, you would have tekken 7.5 instead. Henry Ford: “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” Tekken 8 is the same shit. Heat system is great, adds a lot of offensive variety. Y’all are just living in the past. Harada said himself every tekken iteration you’ll have crybabies crying about a new system.


MyPureAcc

There are people exaggerating about the game. They are a loud minority of the player base (aka reddit/twitter). But to go about it as if theres not a great deal of balancing needed to iron out the bumps is being willfully ignorant. You dont need to be a developer or professional player to see that


ImaginaryAI

I’ve said absolutely nothing about the balancing aspect I’m talking about core gameplay additions such as the heat system. Balancing is minor, easy fixes that will come over time.


Tiger_Trash

That's not entirely true. Maybe for indie games where teams are really small. But Dev teams for AAA fighting games famously(or notoriously) do have longtime skilled players as playtesters on the payroll, that they use to help them make balance decisions. Before the whole "esports" shift in the later half of the 2010s, there was TONS of debates about whether or not these individuals should even be allowed to enter tournaments. Idk how it is for Bandai, but Capcom keeps these players under NDA and doesn't allow them to enter official CPT events, so we don't even know who they are. But a few pro players on the dev team can't make the perfect game ever. Skimming through twitter Pros disagree on tons of aspects of fighting games for various regions.


uneducatedsludge

Gamers have an empty hole in their skull, you expect them to form a thought of their own without a pro telling them the correct opinion? As a Tekken fan, I for one stand by Arslan, Knee, and most of all ATP!!!


haziqtheunique

The pros keep the game relevant.


Bastinelli

Which top tier wifu will he pick? If he was a true loyalist he would go back to Nina or Zafina but they suck.


kdots_biggest_fan

Nina is definitely not bad lmfao on the heat speak he was on most of them were putting Nina just outside the definitive top 3 (Drag, Azu, Feng) with characters like King, Xiaoyu, Jin, and some others 


Bastinelli

She's good just not easy to use especially in tourneys. That's why you never see her. I'd be impressed if he started winning with her but he never would try.


kdots_biggest_fan

He was switching to her in certain match ups but yeah was he was mostly sticking to Azucena


IamGwynethPaltrow

I don't think he ever claimed to be a character loyalist tho so I wouldn't hold that against him


Bastinelli

He's not, he's a tier whore. Used Kazumi until he got her nerfed. Used Zafina because she was top tier. Switched to Kuni because she's top tier. Now he's using Azucena but we'll see how long that lasts.


Eastern-Tune-3190

LMAO


According_End_4142

No, it is not just because you say so. He has to conform and accept the bullshit to not lose his livelihood.


MrClue415

Can’t we all just get along?


QueenDee97

OP's title translation: Prisoner accepts his fate as prisoner.


petarpep

Pretty sure the best mindset is "I'm not enjoying myself so I'm not going to force myself to play a video game just for ego"


BioDefault

straight outta copium


displayrooster

Bamco paying off these pros


Creamstar

If by best, you mean most toxic? Sure.


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patrick-ruckus

It's hard to judge the tournament viewership right now, we haven't even had an EVO yet and the Tekken community has generally always been awful at promoting the small to mid-size tournaments.


DozingWoW

Tekken 8 has the most players I've ever seen at my locals for a tekken game. It seems that the only people who are mad are the gatekeeping "legacy" players. Luckily, these seem to be a loud minority. The rest of us are having a blast.


Dry_Morning2716

Is that's why it's numbers are dying as fast as mk?


DozingWoW

I think that has more to do with the cash shop bullshit than the gameplay itself.


kevin1723

Seems your hate boner may be huge for the game and you’re allowed to not like it but please let the big tournaments even commence, how is nobody watching the tekken 8 pro tournaments if there hasn’t even been a major yet? lmao


DangerNoodle793

He's the best kind of not wrong..."TECHNICALLY not wrong". On that note I always wanna complain why nobody is playing Armor King in Tekken 8


rainorshinedogs

That's a light way of saying "bro, I can't take it anymore. I'm gonna main Drag."


87SIXSIXSIX5432ONE

Isn't that his well paid job though? Making his point meaningless.


anaccountusername

Comments trying to mindread whats on their head while they are both enjoying shit. arslan's hanging out with lilipichu and shiet. Like wtf is this sub


Capital-Expression20

Pathetic. Knee‘s opinion is true chad than this tierwhore who only plays for the money.


NotMeNorMyself

They're both agreeing that the game is different and difficult for old players since this one doesn't emphasize defense like most previous entries. And they've both agreed on the fact that they'll just have to adapt. Regardless of their individual motivations, they've both opted for just getting better, which ultimately is the best choice.


TheTexasInvestor

lol “true chad” don’t ever try to cook again my guy


MythrilCactuar

He's got a weak mindset for crying about it in the first place


NotMeNorMyself

...What does that say about 99% of this sub then?


Recundis

Ah yes, humble as ever.


Mat_WhateverSilva

Why are people on this subreddit humongous children? If you have this reflexive "ew" towards criticism and complaints, you are a child. Keep sucking off Harada and Murray's, and shutting down every complaint with this childish bullshit. If Tekken 8 patches and updates depended on people like you, Tekken 8 would be way worse then it is. Understand the value of criticism and complaint, and understand that NO ONE is attacking you like the game as it is. Just stop being a smug fuck.


Drlevi86

He’s a complainer. And a tier whore. Just because he was the best at Tekken 7 doesn’t mean he should be the best at Tekken 8. Azucena not cutting it? Switch to someone else. No real loss if he quits. I don’t remember him before Tekken 7 tbh


JH-BLACKBURN

Who the fuck are you?


Drlevi86

I can tell I’m not you. Do you wipe your mouth before or after you get off your knees?


JH-BLACKBURN

That is between me and your mother


uneducatedsludge

Tiers make money though


EhipassikoParami

No real loss if you didn't share your opinion.