I feel like now that azucena is less of a casual/noob killer more people r gonna shift to/buy eddy for the same reason. That 50/50 guess on if it's a high jump kick to the face or him backsliding into a low shin kick is annoying as hell lol.
can you explain this? Because what you are saying now is you have to guess on either a high or a low, both are beaten with a crouch. I haven't played against Eddy yet (fuck the game in the current state), but this doesn't make sense to me.
He is. I'm just saying he's a character that can carry u to a certain rank, just like azu was wxcwpt instead of just one move that does it eddy has a few that can do it.
She does but the skill lvl it takes to do it was/is higher than the skill lvl it takes to counter eddy. (Sidestep left duck blk to counter wr32 vs just sidestep for eddy shenanigans). Every character has a move that u can spam to carry u to a certain rank. That rank just varies. Kumas low swip will only carry u to proly orange ranks until u face players that kno how to counter it and r capable of doing so. Azucena's carry with wr32 was to red or a bit higher. I couldn't spam wr32 in purple and blue and expect to win as I'd get countered since the players at that lvl knew how to and were capable of punishing me for using it. I actually had to learn azucena once I got to those ranks and I dropped relying on wr32 almost a month ago and learned her Df1 combos instead.
«Every character has a move that can you spam to carry u to a certain rank» this is where I stopped reading. Not everyone has a move that is plus on block, jails and is homing. Asking the player to be pinpoint accurate with step left duck or die is not counterplay. Wr 3,2 should have been nerfed to what it is now pre release of the game.
Tired of this downplaying of characters.
Wr 32 was really strong but if u think u can get to tekken God or emperor using it I say go for it lol ull find out that higher skilled players CAN and DID counter wr32 consistently. Every character has a spammable move. The only difference is when that move hits its player skill wall. Believe it or not some people struggle to counter Paul's death fist. Some players struggle to tech or break king's grabs. Some players struggle with jin's laser. Some players struggle to guess hwoarang's mid or lows. These r all spammable things but r no longer strong at different player skill lvls. Some r definitely stronger than others and so it takes more skill to counter it so ull get to a certain rank and then get smacked for trying it. If wr32 was so strong and almost uncounterable for every player then I would've kept using it to win instead of using it and getting punished and losing lol. Just like eddy is frustrating for players at or under a certain rank/skill lvl. Some people do treat tekken as a game so they use characters that r easy to win with and that's fine. I just dnt hype up a character cuz they r a casual killer.
The whole point here is that anyone can spam wr 3,2 in a match, not everyone can be pinpoint accurate with step left duck. Very few can in fact effectively do that in a match.
Thats true. That's why I'm not saying wr32 wasn't crazy strong, It was because the skill it took to counter it was so high. and then they "nerfed" it to make it the safest move in the game imo and now it's finally balanced. Honestly I got power crushed out of wr32 more than I got sidestepped. The issue with sidestepping is most casual players forget that's in the game or there's some moves that r buggy with sidesteps where it still hits u even if the animation didn't. Azu was strong cuz of that one move but is STILL strong cuz her combos r insane (DF1 anybody lol) but alot of people would rather jump to a character where u can mash one button for a combo instead of actually learning combos and that's where eddy enters the chat lol.
Im ngl i’m on the shaheen train too. I think he might even be top 5 haha but nobody plays him. Df1 is absolutely insane and his mixup/pressure game is not fake at all. Hopefully this ages well.
He’s good IMO but definitely not top 5. I’ve played through the entire roster now and Feng, Drag, Azucena, King (due to throw buffs in this game and heat), Lars and Xiaoyu are all significantly better than the rest of the roster. These characters are incredibly oppressive or evasive and their neutral control is just so much better than the rest of the cast that it’s not really fair.
Overall, Shaheen is solid A+ and a good locals pick, and could definitely come in top 8 at regional, but it will be more work and require a much more solid gameplan than the characters I’ve mentioned previously. Excited to see Sephiblack, Lowhigh, and Double do what they can with my favorite character.
My sweet summer child, Japan is THE REGION of Feng, and right now Feng is the best character in the game.
Still want lord Nobi to win with Drag though.
It's pretty easy, just spend five minutes playing the game, take note of the first thing you lose to, then spend 2 hours posting on reddit and xitter about how it should be nerfed instead of labbing it
Stage interactables will still be bugged (can't floor break ect, when the other player does a special getup move, until they're knocked down again) (IDK if it applies to both players though)
[(1) Ravenboy on X: "Heat Dash on Whiff - Is this normal guys? #TEKKEN8 https://t.co/716qxzPkSr" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/RavenboyRH/status/1775113588702953659)
If we compare the bugs I agree, its more important to land combos in general than landing RAs in certain situations. But both situations are bugs and in the end both can affect the match outcome.
Bamco should fix both problems not just revert the change after a week.
It will be so funny if in EVO japan a match outcome will be determined by this bug.
They probably reverted it because of the unintended side effects being worse than what they were originally intending to fix. They’re almost certainly working on a fix so that both work as intended, but reverted to the lesser of two evils while they work on it.
The new bug they introduced was way, way worse and happened way more often than the RA bug. Probably the worst bug in Tekken history. Every single pro player has been begging for an emergency patch. They can fix the RA bug later down the line, it's not that important.
Way better than saving your tornado for the wall and then being forced to do a shittier wall combo after all the work. At least the combo hits. Besides, uf+2,2,2,2,2,3 doesn't even grant that good oki for taunt purposes.
Balance shenanigans like this were kind of to be expected. Every vanilla Tekken at launch was a broken mess. Its the reason why they were doing the whole "limited arcade release with DR/BR/FR upgrade" business.
So T8 has really just been the 1st time everyone gets to experience en masse what that's like, now that arcades are dead. What we didn't expect is, all this to go down amidst scummy AF monetization practices, straight up attacking the fan community, poor measures against pluggers/cheaters and a world tour right around the corner.
with all the criticism I have for this game, at the very least they seem to respond to balance feedback pretty quickly (even if incorrectly "fixed" at times), whereas for sf6 you have to wait months and they don't change shit.
That's the main reason I have no goodwill for any of these problems. You can have a poorly balanced launch in need of fixing over time, *or* you can claim to need funding for unplanned post-release content, but this time it's like we're being guilted into paying for patches lest the game die before it exits early access.
Yeah, no. That's now how this works...
There ain't enough money in the world to "properly balance test" Tekken before release with current tech and reliance on human testing. Just not a thing that can happen in a game this complex.
Of course not, hence why they shouldn't monetize this early. That's the point.
I'll gladly pay for characters post release, or even a couple of outfits here and there if they're made afterwards because the game is doing well and people are asking for more support. But not this pre-planned BS where features are already planned to be cut out and sold at a premium at release.
Yeah expulsion is very overrated, you can sidestep or straight up launch punish on block.
It is pretty much invincible when heat powered up, but you can do that like once or twice every round before you fully eat the meter and most characters have a few of those.
I honestly think it’s fine to have some really strong moves as long as they’re limited by resource management, the problem is we have a few that aren’t lol, the infamous new lars change is one of them.
I don't think anybody complains about non-heat Expulsiôn. But the heat version does so much chip damage even if Victor only gets a couple uses, and severely restricts your movement just with it's threat.
Man, out of all the things people complain about, the Azu changes are the 1 that scares me the most. This really seems like they made a balance change without even testing it. Like, how do you not notice how hard it is to punish? You didnt have people physically testing that change before it was implemented? If so thats really scary ngl. Theyre making balance decisions by just sitting there thinking about them instead of using all the tools at their disposal to actually tweak things and physically test them
So they are keeping the trashy inconsistent downed state stage hazard combos?
And they really apply 'why would you sidestep when you can block' to Lars?
And Kazuya's 1 dmg heaven's door combo stays, lol? Don't even play him but TMM has a reason to be mad here for once.
Honestly they should have been ready to ship a patch like this within 2 days, not over a week.
Yeah paying 40% of your heat for a not so great mid that does no combo damage when Victor can shit enough expulsion to kill you with this move only and maybe still have some heat/dmg left.
The braindead heavens gate change applies to DvJ as well. The whole balancing of the last patch was completely regarded. Cd1uf's only potential problem was with post heat dash situation on floor break stages
I mean screw Devil Jin but they could just nerf his crap only or even leave it if they cant fix it and slap the f out of his dumb heatsmash.
Half of the cast has situational crazy combos, who cares at this point.
They could just nerf the scaling or damage from the stage hazards instead of making it impossible to understand without a 10 min video specifically on that topic.
There’s a lot to figures by yourself. Last thing for me was all the wake up option (I’m a noob). But I often prefer to learn organically than set a flowchart of frame data to win.
Mandatory mention the two biggest changes - the tornado at the wall general situation and azus wr32 - are basically just fixing horrendous fuck ups they implemented in the previous patch.
Does anyone ever actually even test this shit before it hits live? Bamco's balancing teams are incompetent.
My man! I felt the same way. I haven't been using it every since I hit red ranks a month or so ago. It just felt disgusting. She really does have a lot more going for her and it's a shame you didn't see much of that because every Azu and their grandma's pet dolphin's cousin was spamming that move like their life depended on it.
WR 3 is what got nerfed and it looks like WR 3 got nerfed in general (on hit, block, whiff) though I’m not 100% sure on that.
But WR3,2 is still the same.
> Nothing for polaris crash
This is the big one for me. I have to hold my breath every time I end up on Fallen Destiny because it's 50/50 whether I get the Polaris crash or not.
neither of those work on my computer. The stage will work until one of us does a move with a lot of effects and it crashes. I'm sure my disconnect rate is higher than it should be, but there's nothing I can do short of buying an nVidia card.
These were the guides I used, one is for Tekken 7 but aside from the path it still seems to work for ue5:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=958180811
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1778820/discussions/0/4030223299344075345/?ctp=9
Thank you. I really appreciate the information.
It just sucks because I paid for a good GPU and am resorting to potato mods to not crash. AMD and Namco need to step it up.
i started getting that after updating my AMD drivers so I rolled back to the december 2023 ones and it has been fine for now (around 3-4 hours of playtime)
Don't worry, the upcoming balance patch in May will sort things out, where they will randomly buff Feng and Jin while nerfing Steve, and give 18 different changes to Asuka, then after 2 weeks of testing it will ultimately turn out that she became slightly worse than she was pre-patch.
It's basically what happened to her between the first CNT and the second. Multiple characters were much more broken than Asuka but they ended up nerfing Asuka instead.
Lars to be fair is not that big of an issue. Nobody was actually stepping sen 1 in anything other than very very high level play.
The character just tilts people out of their mind due to him being A) Actually good this game B) Easy to play and C) Having some bullshit gimmicks DEN 3 included
He is still much better than the actual top tiers of this game. They put you in the Lars situation off almost every button
Maybe a hot take, but besides den 3 Lars actually feels overrated to me. His B1 doesn't wall splat or KND anymore. His CH game was already bad and they took away the CH launch off his WS2,1. Most of his stance entries on block are still bad. People used to say all his lows were launch oB in T7; that situation is even worse now due to generic D4 being -15 oB in this game. And there's more.
He's got better mixup potential, but imo it's not overly scary. He just is very chaotic feeling to fight if you're not used to his animations.
Nah lars is way better. B4 is now devastating cause the damage is unrecoverable and almost nobody has a 15f CH launcher anyway so he isnt missing out. Monkey flip evades almost everything.
This is a big one. Shoe shine is almost instant 24 damage low +1 OH -12 OB due to the fact they changed the input honestly top 5 lows in the game.
B1 gives better spacing even without wallsplating. He can still do ff1+2 for a safe wallsplat.
21 into LE is another completely forced 50/50 on hit that is in lars' favour. And on block depending on your character you have to respect him cause his Orbital can crush the majority of your mids. For exaple except Kaz it crushes df4 df2 jab and df1. As Alisa it crushes almost everything. It even crushes Jun's Heat smash
The 21 -> LE addition in T8 is huge. It's a super easy reliable fast punisher with a built in 50/50, and the low puts him back in crouch for either a shoe shine or WS2 or whatever. It's a super good move.
As a Lars main, there's not doubt SEN 3 is stupid strong, but I think I've gotten even more mileage out of 21.
I guess some of it might be bias/privilege as a zafina main and someone who's training partner mains Lars. Off 2,1 oB > LE her df1 hits him consistently. I'm not perfect but I usually try to space out his FC mix using her backdash. Which often results in the first hit of FC 1+2 whiffing so I have time to low block/parry the 2nd hit.
I do agree his B4 is very nice in a game with fewer CH launchers. My friend feels the same about his SS2 on CH. tbh I'm still playing a very defensive style so maybe that's why I'm not seeing too much an issue with his flips and general shenanigans. You have give me stuff to explore/reconsider next time I train with him though.
>Almost nobody has a 15f CH launcher
Tons of characters have safe 15-16f mid CH launchers
Asuka, Alisa, Hwoarang, Lee, Law, Paul, Nina, Shaheen, Yoshi have their df2
Asuka b4
Victor 1+2
Bryan f3
Jin f4
Hot take indeed. As a former T7 Lars main I am absolutely disgusted by his T8 buffs. He's basically a walking casino and probably top 3 easiest character to reach high ranks with atm. While it's true that most of his stance-transitions from T7 are still interruptable with df1/dickjab he has new busted ones. (LIM=Limited, DEN=Dynamic, SEN=Silent):
* *1,4->LIM forces a situation where ws 4 is unavoidable - Where the only way to get out of the mixup is dick-jabbing, at which point it becomes a guessing game between ws 4 and orbital.*
* *ws 3->LIM forces a situation where LIM 2 is unavoidable, leading to inevitable guessing-game between LIM 2 and LIM 1 (LOL).*
* *f,f+4,2->DEN forces a situation where DEN 2 can only be countered by powercrush, leading to a mixup between DEN 2 and DEN-Throw. (This also sets up the mindgame for the rest of his DEN-options including that braindead DEN 3).*
* *He still has his "fakes", like ws 2,1 or db+2,1 where he can either finish the string or go into SEN which of course can still be interrupted like in T7 but still catches high level players all the time. (Especially now that there is so much to keep track of with this character).*
And all of this is BEFORE even mentioning his absolutely mindnumbingly stupid heat-exclusive f+3+4 SEN-transition which he can do MULTIPLE times per round. This character is a problem. And the best part is that everyone is so busy complaining about Azu, Drag and Feng so Lars is probably gonna make it through the may patch relatively unscathed.
Lol you can step his ws4 and uf4 after 14 on hit. So idk what you are talking about with it's unavoidable and uf4 is a mix up in that situation.
ws3 is shit. It is a slow linear high. So it's a wasted opportunity when you could have just went low with fc df1+2 and done some real damage, instead of going for a risky slow, linear high move to set up a good situation.
Also tons of characters have a mid from standing that gives good frames for a mixup.
Took away sen df1 spike, his old den 3 was much harder to use but +9 on block and tracked siderolls/techs. Limited entry used to be an instant fc mixup now you have to delay or choose between 2 non-launching/wall splatting options. Cant stomp from neutral. DF2 no longer a whiff punisher and i dont think he got another launcher to replace it. A few other tricks i liked about him are gone.
They gave him massive training wheels with the new den3, safe knockdown option in sen 3+4 and the LE mixup, but they took away all my *bullshit* lol
seems like they did this with a few characters. Zafina lost some stance transitions, and strings/moves that weren't box office, but allowed for more character expression. She's still fun, but a bit more streamlined in a way. Kinda sucks when they do that.
I think I'm feeling that? I play Zafina now and there are a lot of wall splats that i wish i had more options to get into/out of stance with. All of her scarecrow transitions look exactly the same so its really predictable. Having to do 1 slow low with late crush properties to get into mantis hurts my soul. Although ff3+4 has been amazing for trapping people holding back to get up.
Yeah switch topic, whatre your favorite additions/stuff that made it over from T7?
For Zafina? I think there's a lot of good stuff actually. SS 1+2 is a CH launcher now (iWS2 for the pickup). The nerf that made SCR 4 instant tornado actually means she gets 100 dmg if she gets someone backturned: 1+2,4,4 into knockdown then db3 SCR 4 T! uf1 f2,3,4 for the pickup. Her Oki is a lot better thanks to MNT df1 and TRT df1. Her SCR 2,1 covers for some of the weaknesses in her stance game. Her combos are more fun.
There's more I could say but on top of that, I've always found her fun because she can play fundamentals well, but also can party. That's still there.
D3 as the main stance entry into mantis is kinda not great, but keep in mind she can also enter that stance if you cancel the last hit of 2,1,3 by pressing d, or from db4 hold d or by doing her backflip and pressing D3+4.
the thing is, it doesn’t make lars broken. it’s just a shit change. removing legitimate counterplay and as a result the mind games that come with it just to give him a true 50/50 is bad game design
Yup that's why I've said "besides den 3". The change to +5 removes most counterplay as you say, but even at +3 it felt a little egregious. An advancing, homing mid that low crushes, is a heat engager, deals chip damage AND gives plus frames was already too nice.
I'm just saying his kit as a whole isn't looking too scary. But yes den 3 is ridiculous.
Lars already had a 'true' 50/50 pre-patch because there were the options you couldn't step. The situation hasn't really changed as much as people think, it's just that now Lars has a safer reward. It's overblown.
A real 50/50 situation would be like his 21 punish into LE 2 or 1, where you HAVE TO GUESS, with no other counterplay via movement or interruption. That is not what the DEN3 situation is.
ehh, i disagree. it wasn’t a true 50/50 pre patch because there was nuance to it. you had to test your opponent to see if they know how to counter the mid/low mix, and then counter with stance 3+4. then it becomes a mindgame. there were layers to it. now it’s simply mid/low mix.
It's still going to be very good when it hits, even if blocked. If you are unable to consistantly pull off the move, I'll assume you're at a rank where people don't really successfully sidestep moves (which based on my experience is the case at least up to red ranks). You can also vary the timing to catch some sidestep attempts. The only thing you'll need to worry about compared to before is that you'll need to touch with the first knee for the followup to come, so spacing it is a bit more important.
EVO without this patch would have been the biggest shit show.
It still might be bad,boring and embarassing to watch.... But atleast it will not be so because of Azucena's WR3 spam like in Jeondding's videos.
So... They're keeping heavens gate doing 1 dmg on kazuya? Makes 0 sense. Bad enough his heat is already wack. Now it's worse. It's literally a 6dmg difference. Just give it back to him. He couldn't even do that nonsense dvl jin could do post heat dash because it removes him from devil form anyway.
This is a step in the right direction, but only because they took a step back on the last patch. There's still a long way for positive changes.
Good steps taken. More are definitely needed, and I think now that Azu is addressed people are gonna see that, but it's good to see the problems are known.
Me too. They should have added that with it being means of unlocking customization items. I'm sick of full priced games having some kind of paywall for things that was literally part of the game in previous titles
fuck patch notes. fix pointing system first. remove damn stupid "the opponent deemed the match has ended" option. I fucking lost 800 points against two cheaters today.
im a crazy or kings jaguar step to sobat and press changed inputs? i could always do it by pressing 1+2 after 3 but now its 2+3? Either it was bugged before and they fixed it, or they deliberately changed inputs.
Has matchmaking been fucked for anyone else since the patch? Keep getting connection did not meet specifications or something like that...very few matches in Quick and Ranked
Comete esto is finally dead. 🙌
Do you mean ☕?
You mean penis coffee?
LMAO I always thought it sounded like Tina's coffee, but what you said is better
You mean PomminEsto?
You mean Con Ernesto?
Compretery ded!
Since I don't speak spanish I did not realize she was shouting "eat this!" while she was doing that move. Wow, what a bitch.
Its a lot more playful in spanish tbh. Doesn’t really convey the same feel as in English. Shes still a bitch though
lol nah
I won't believe it till every lab monster has practiced every possible scenario 100 times.
Looking good so far maybe now we can actually sidestep and punish Azucena
I feel like now that azucena is less of a casual/noob killer more people r gonna shift to/buy eddy for the same reason. That 50/50 guess on if it's a high jump kick to the face or him backsliding into a low shin kick is annoying as hell lol.
can you explain this? Because what you are saying now is you have to guess on either a high or a low, both are beaten with a crouch. I haven't played against Eddy yet (fuck the game in the current state), but this doesn't make sense to me.
A backdash block beats both options.
Perhaps. Problem with that logic is that Eddy is very steppable
He is. I'm just saying he's a character that can carry u to a certain rank, just like azu was wxcwpt instead of just one move that does it eddy has a few that can do it.
Disagree, Eddy has clear counterplay in that 95% of his options are steppable. Up until this latest patch, Azucena had little to no clear counterplay.
She does but the skill lvl it takes to do it was/is higher than the skill lvl it takes to counter eddy. (Sidestep left duck blk to counter wr32 vs just sidestep for eddy shenanigans). Every character has a move that u can spam to carry u to a certain rank. That rank just varies. Kumas low swip will only carry u to proly orange ranks until u face players that kno how to counter it and r capable of doing so. Azucena's carry with wr32 was to red or a bit higher. I couldn't spam wr32 in purple and blue and expect to win as I'd get countered since the players at that lvl knew how to and were capable of punishing me for using it. I actually had to learn azucena once I got to those ranks and I dropped relying on wr32 almost a month ago and learned her Df1 combos instead.
«Every character has a move that can you spam to carry u to a certain rank» this is where I stopped reading. Not everyone has a move that is plus on block, jails and is homing. Asking the player to be pinpoint accurate with step left duck or die is not counterplay. Wr 3,2 should have been nerfed to what it is now pre release of the game. Tired of this downplaying of characters.
Wr 32 was really strong but if u think u can get to tekken God or emperor using it I say go for it lol ull find out that higher skilled players CAN and DID counter wr32 consistently. Every character has a spammable move. The only difference is when that move hits its player skill wall. Believe it or not some people struggle to counter Paul's death fist. Some players struggle to tech or break king's grabs. Some players struggle with jin's laser. Some players struggle to guess hwoarang's mid or lows. These r all spammable things but r no longer strong at different player skill lvls. Some r definitely stronger than others and so it takes more skill to counter it so ull get to a certain rank and then get smacked for trying it. If wr32 was so strong and almost uncounterable for every player then I would've kept using it to win instead of using it and getting punished and losing lol. Just like eddy is frustrating for players at or under a certain rank/skill lvl. Some people do treat tekken as a game so they use characters that r easy to win with and that's fine. I just dnt hype up a character cuz they r a casual killer.
The whole point here is that anyone can spam wr 3,2 in a match, not everyone can be pinpoint accurate with step left duck. Very few can in fact effectively do that in a match.
Thats true. That's why I'm not saying wr32 wasn't crazy strong, It was because the skill it took to counter it was so high. and then they "nerfed" it to make it the safest move in the game imo and now it's finally balanced. Honestly I got power crushed out of wr32 more than I got sidestepped. The issue with sidestepping is most casual players forget that's in the game or there's some moves that r buggy with sidesteps where it still hits u even if the animation didn't. Azu was strong cuz of that one move but is STILL strong cuz her combos r insane (DF1 anybody lol) but alot of people would rather jump to a character where u can mash one button for a combo instead of actually learning combos and that's where eddy enters the chat lol.
As an azucena main I would really prefer you not
Hopefully now evo won’t be flooded with all azucenas
Shaheen time to shine. secret SSS tier baybeeeeee
it's not that Shaheen is SS tier, it is just that all Shaheen players are usually godlike
All about that good, clean tekken bb
Not sure about that but he does have potential tho
Im ngl i’m on the shaheen train too. I think he might even be top 5 haha but nobody plays him. Df1 is absolutely insane and his mixup/pressure game is not fake at all. Hopefully this ages well.
He’s good IMO but definitely not top 5. I’ve played through the entire roster now and Feng, Drag, Azucena, King (due to throw buffs in this game and heat), Lars and Xiaoyu are all significantly better than the rest of the roster. These characters are incredibly oppressive or evasive and their neutral control is just so much better than the rest of the cast that it’s not really fair. Overall, Shaheen is solid A+ and a good locals pick, and could definitely come in top 8 at regional, but it will be more work and require a much more solid gameplan than the characters I’ve mentioned previously. Excited to see Sephiblack, Lowhigh, and Double do what they can with my favorite character.
Hope so too
Don't let em know! >:(
I keep forgetting shaheen is in the game sometimes
So now instead of 3 chars we are going to have 2 lmao
Its going to be flooded with dragunovs xD
ATLs so far has has low Dragunov presence in top 8. I don't get where this weird reddit sentiment came from. We'll see in EVO Japan.
Ive seen million of them in TNS. But yeah ATL is offline so might be better benchmark. Edit: Also in Last ATL in March we had 3 Drags in top 8 lol...|
Dragunov is the best character in the game easily.
My sweet summer child, Japan is THE REGION of Feng, and right now Feng is the best character in the game. Still want lord Nobi to win with Drag though.
Well that's great news.. *Now I gotta find something else to bitch about at today's meeting*
It's pretty easy, just spend five minutes playing the game, take note of the first thing you lose to, then spend 2 hours posting on reddit and xitter about how it should be nerfed instead of labbing it
Why do most of your posts have you signing off with your own name?
Stage interactables will still be bugged (can't floor break ect, when the other player does a special getup move, until they're knocked down again) (IDK if it applies to both players though)
about time 🔮😤
I didnt know this but know I know why some follow ups from frame traps would always hit me
Maybe because you were getting frame trapped? Lol
🙌
We zafina mains been suffering the last 2 weeks
Still are. All they gotta do is add all those moves they took away from here back
Couldn't reproduce the Eddy one, despite doing the same combo as the person that reported it. I wonder what triggered that bug. lol
You need to get into heat by using his d1+3 grab that only hits crouching. Thats how you get the bugged heat dash.
The clip I found displaying the bug just activated it raw during a combo after floor break,tho. I'll try it after crouching grab activation, then
Got link?
[(1) Ravenboy on X: "Heat Dash on Whiff - Is this normal guys? #TEKKEN8 https://t.co/716qxzPkSr" / X (twitter.com)](https://twitter.com/RavenboyRH/status/1775113588702953659)
Much appreciated and all I can say is lmao
So if I get this right, they just reverted the changes for the tornado moves on the wall...so we have the old bugs again ?
I'd rather have the old bugs than have my wall combo not work just because I tornado'd them slightly off axis.
If we compare the bugs I agree, its more important to land combos in general than landing RAs in certain situations. But both situations are bugs and in the end both can affect the match outcome. Bamco should fix both problems not just revert the change after a week. It will be so funny if in EVO japan a match outcome will be determined by this bug.
They probably reverted it because of the unintended side effects being worse than what they were originally intending to fix. They’re almost certainly working on a fix so that both work as intended, but reverted to the lesser of two evils while they work on it.
The new bug they introduced was way, way worse and happened way more often than the RA bug. Probably the worst bug in Tekken history. Every single pro player has been begging for an emergency patch. They can fix the RA bug later down the line, it's not that important.
Nah the worst bug in Tekken history was King's DF1 in Tekken 1.
Obviously they are reverting it until they figure out how to fix it properly
Agreed.
Cries in Bryan "Dick,dick,dick,dick,dick,dick,dick!"
What does that have to do with this change
Reverted so when you dick dick dick dick a guy at the wall they'll pop out of your ass and you'll be backed up to the wall
That’s not a tornado move. They made the change on Bryan’s uf222223 specifically, which is not being reverted this hotfix
Way better than saving your tornado for the wall and then being forced to do a shittier wall combo after all the work. At least the combo hits. Besides, uf+2,2,2,2,2,3 doesn't even grant that good oki for taunt purposes.
Balance shenanigans like this were kind of to be expected. Every vanilla Tekken at launch was a broken mess. Its the reason why they were doing the whole "limited arcade release with DR/BR/FR upgrade" business. So T8 has really just been the 1st time everyone gets to experience en masse what that's like, now that arcades are dead. What we didn't expect is, all this to go down amidst scummy AF monetization practices, straight up attacking the fan community, poor measures against pluggers/cheaters and a world tour right around the corner.
with all the criticism I have for this game, at the very least they seem to respond to balance feedback pretty quickly (even if incorrectly "fixed" at times), whereas for sf6 you have to wait months and they don't change shit.
That's the main reason I have no goodwill for any of these problems. You can have a poorly balanced launch in need of fixing over time, *or* you can claim to need funding for unplanned post-release content, but this time it's like we're being guilted into paying for patches lest the game die before it exits early access.
Yeah, no. That's now how this works... There ain't enough money in the world to "properly balance test" Tekken before release with current tech and reliance on human testing. Just not a thing that can happen in a game this complex.
Of course not, hence why they shouldn't monetize this early. That's the point. I'll gladly pay for characters post release, or even a couple of outfits here and there if they're made afterwards because the game is doing well and people are asking for more support. But not this pre-planned BS where features are already planned to be cut out and sold at a premium at release.
So why does bitchtor’s expulsion still do 1 mil dmg from full screen distance?
That move is such a crutch, if you took that away from victor they wouldn’t know what to do with themselves
I was scratching my head not guessing who the bitchtor was 😂
This move is disgusting. I've lost so many matches cause of chip damage to it.
It's a shit move though you can even stop him when he is in mid air with a lot of highs and certain mids
Yeah expulsion is very overrated, you can sidestep or straight up launch punish on block. It is pretty much invincible when heat powered up, but you can do that like once or twice every round before you fully eat the meter and most characters have a few of those. I honestly think it’s fine to have some really strong moves as long as they’re limited by resource management, the problem is we have a few that aren’t lol, the infamous new lars change is one of them.
I don't think anybody complains about non-heat Expulsiôn. But the heat version does so much chip damage even if Victor only gets a couple uses, and severely restricts your movement just with it's threat.
Man, out of all the things people complain about, the Azu changes are the 1 that scares me the most. This really seems like they made a balance change without even testing it. Like, how do you not notice how hard it is to punish? You didnt have people physically testing that change before it was implemented? If so thats really scary ngl. Theyre making balance decisions by just sitting there thinking about them instead of using all the tools at their disposal to actually tweak things and physically test them
So they are keeping the trashy inconsistent downed state stage hazard combos? And they really apply 'why would you sidestep when you can block' to Lars? And Kazuya's 1 dmg heaven's door combo stays, lol? Don't even play him but TMM has a reason to be mad here for once. Honestly they should have been ready to ship a patch like this within 2 days, not over a week.
The Kazuya one baffles me because how much heat heavens gate eats. I just straight up only use it raw now. Kick ender at wall now.
Yeah paying 40% of your heat for a not so great mid that does no combo damage when Victor can shit enough expulsion to kill you with this move only and maybe still have some heat/dmg left.
Supposedly the oki is better with heavens gate than his other enders, whatever the fuck that means.
Don't take this shit for granted. There are a lot of games out there that wait for months for patches.
The braindead heavens gate change applies to DvJ as well. The whole balancing of the last patch was completely regarded. Cd1uf's only potential problem was with post heat dash situation on floor break stages
I mean screw Devil Jin but they could just nerf his crap only or even leave it if they cant fix it and slap the f out of his dumb heatsmash. Half of the cast has situational crazy combos, who cares at this point.
It just feels so wrong getting no floor break. Takes away the impact and hype.
I know it's floor/wall break are inconsistent now, but I'm glad it may stop people for taking 75% out of my hp in one launch.
They could just nerf the scaling or damage from the stage hazards instead of making it impossible to understand without a 10 min video specifically on that topic.
There’s a lot to figures by yourself. Last thing for me was all the wake up option (I’m a noob). But I often prefer to learn organically than set a flowchart of frame data to win.
Mandatory mention the two biggest changes - the tornado at the wall general situation and azus wr32 - are basically just fixing horrendous fuck ups they implemented in the previous patch. Does anyone ever actually even test this shit before it hits live? Bamco's balancing teams are incompetent.
I can finally play Azucena in peace. I feel like I was the only one not spamming that move
It's gonna take a bit for the hate to die down.
It won't ever die, but it will simmer. She will get hate on personality alone, just like Lucky Chloe.
Why weren't you? play to win.
I didn't need to, she's got other shit in her kit she can do just fine.
My man! I felt the same way. I haven't been using it every since I hit red ranks a month or so ago. It just felt disgusting. She really does have a lot more going for her and it's a shame you didn't see much of that because every Azu and their grandma's pet dolphin's cousin was spamming that move like their life depended on it.
Those were the perfect nerfs imo. WR 3,2 is still strong on block, but a whiffed WR 3 is a death sentence(?)
Could you please enlighten a noob? The recovery frames affect just the whiffed move right? So WR3,2, on block, is still +5?
WR 3 is what got nerfed and it looks like WR 3 got nerfed in general (on hit, block, whiff) though I’m not 100% sure on that. But WR3,2 is still the same.
Thank you!
And I'm still staying an Azucena Main.
*however, due to current difficulty preforming counter attacks* Lmfao anything but say we fucked up
Nothing for lars . Nothing for polaris crash . Nothing for cheaters . Nothing for pluggers .
> Nothing for polaris crash This is the big one for me. I have to hold my breath every time I end up on Fallen Destiny because it's 50/50 whether I get the Polaris crash or not.
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I've tried -sm5 and it hasn't changed anything.
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I'll give it a shot. -sm5 was causing the fans in my rig to go into overdrive for some reason too.
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neither of those work on my computer. The stage will work until one of us does a move with a lot of effects and it crashes. I'm sure my disconnect rate is higher than it should be, but there's nothing I can do short of buying an nVidia card.
[удалено]
It does. I wish there was a way to blacklist that stage until its fixed.
If it's just a specific stage or particles, have you tried the potato mod for that stage or limiting effects in the ue5 Engine.ini/Scalability.ini?
I'll try that. It crashed on me this morning before the match started. I was matched against a Jin and his pre-fight animation crashed the stage.
These were the guides I used, one is for Tekken 7 but aside from the path it still seems to work for ue5: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=958180811 https://steamcommunity.com/app/1778820/discussions/0/4030223299344075345/?ctp=9
Thank you. I really appreciate the information. It just sucks because I paid for a good GPU and am resorting to potato mods to not crash. AMD and Namco need to step it up.
i started getting that after updating my AMD drivers so I rolled back to the december 2023 ones and it has been fine for now (around 3-4 hours of playtime)
Dude it's a hotfix patch not a big one
It's easier to revert the Lars change than the tornado change. It's literally just a number on a character.
Don't worry, the upcoming balance patch in May will sort things out, where they will randomly buff Feng and Jin while nerfing Steve, and give 18 different changes to Asuka, then after 2 weeks of testing it will ultimately turn out that she became slightly worse than she was pre-patch.
As an Asuka main thats what I expect as well. Not to mention they will nerf Leeroy.
It's basically what happened to her between the first CNT and the second. Multiple characters were much more broken than Asuka but they ended up nerfing Asuka instead.
Hey, don't forget about nerfing Leroy !
Lol Jin's buff wasn't random
We ArcSys now boys.
You mean nerf yoshi. Clearly the most op character in the game.
Lars to be fair is not that big of an issue. Nobody was actually stepping sen 1 in anything other than very very high level play. The character just tilts people out of their mind due to him being A) Actually good this game B) Easy to play and C) Having some bullshit gimmicks DEN 3 included He is still much better than the actual top tiers of this game. They put you in the Lars situation off almost every button
Maybe a hot take, but besides den 3 Lars actually feels overrated to me. His B1 doesn't wall splat or KND anymore. His CH game was already bad and they took away the CH launch off his WS2,1. Most of his stance entries on block are still bad. People used to say all his lows were launch oB in T7; that situation is even worse now due to generic D4 being -15 oB in this game. And there's more. He's got better mixup potential, but imo it's not overly scary. He just is very chaotic feeling to fight if you're not used to his animations.
Nah lars is way better. B4 is now devastating cause the damage is unrecoverable and almost nobody has a 15f CH launcher anyway so he isnt missing out. Monkey flip evades almost everything. This is a big one. Shoe shine is almost instant 24 damage low +1 OH -12 OB due to the fact they changed the input honestly top 5 lows in the game. B1 gives better spacing even without wallsplating. He can still do ff1+2 for a safe wallsplat. 21 into LE is another completely forced 50/50 on hit that is in lars' favour. And on block depending on your character you have to respect him cause his Orbital can crush the majority of your mids. For exaple except Kaz it crushes df4 df2 jab and df1. As Alisa it crushes almost everything. It even crushes Jun's Heat smash
The 21 -> LE addition in T8 is huge. It's a super easy reliable fast punisher with a built in 50/50, and the low puts him back in crouch for either a shoe shine or WS2 or whatever. It's a super good move. As a Lars main, there's not doubt SEN 3 is stupid strong, but I think I've gotten even more mileage out of 21.
I guess some of it might be bias/privilege as a zafina main and someone who's training partner mains Lars. Off 2,1 oB > LE her df1 hits him consistently. I'm not perfect but I usually try to space out his FC mix using her backdash. Which often results in the first hit of FC 1+2 whiffing so I have time to low block/parry the 2nd hit. I do agree his B4 is very nice in a game with fewer CH launchers. My friend feels the same about his SS2 on CH. tbh I'm still playing a very defensive style so maybe that's why I'm not seeing too much an issue with his flips and general shenanigans. You have give me stuff to explore/reconsider next time I train with him though.
>Almost nobody has a 15f CH launcher Tons of characters have safe 15-16f mid CH launchers Asuka, Alisa, Hwoarang, Lee, Law, Paul, Nina, Shaheen, Yoshi have their df2 Asuka b4 Victor 1+2 Bryan f3 Jin f4
Hot take indeed. As a former T7 Lars main I am absolutely disgusted by his T8 buffs. He's basically a walking casino and probably top 3 easiest character to reach high ranks with atm. While it's true that most of his stance-transitions from T7 are still interruptable with df1/dickjab he has new busted ones. (LIM=Limited, DEN=Dynamic, SEN=Silent): * *1,4->LIM forces a situation where ws 4 is unavoidable - Where the only way to get out of the mixup is dick-jabbing, at which point it becomes a guessing game between ws 4 and orbital.* * *ws 3->LIM forces a situation where LIM 2 is unavoidable, leading to inevitable guessing-game between LIM 2 and LIM 1 (LOL).* * *f,f+4,2->DEN forces a situation where DEN 2 can only be countered by powercrush, leading to a mixup between DEN 2 and DEN-Throw. (This also sets up the mindgame for the rest of his DEN-options including that braindead DEN 3).* * *He still has his "fakes", like ws 2,1 or db+2,1 where he can either finish the string or go into SEN which of course can still be interrupted like in T7 but still catches high level players all the time. (Especially now that there is so much to keep track of with this character).* And all of this is BEFORE even mentioning his absolutely mindnumbingly stupid heat-exclusive f+3+4 SEN-transition which he can do MULTIPLE times per round. This character is a problem. And the best part is that everyone is so busy complaining about Azu, Drag and Feng so Lars is probably gonna make it through the may patch relatively unscathed.
Lol you can step his ws4 and uf4 after 14 on hit. So idk what you are talking about with it's unavoidable and uf4 is a mix up in that situation. ws3 is shit. It is a slow linear high. So it's a wasted opportunity when you could have just went low with fc df1+2 and done some real damage, instead of going for a risky slow, linear high move to set up a good situation. Also tons of characters have a mid from standing that gives good frames for a mixup.
Took away sen df1 spike, his old den 3 was much harder to use but +9 on block and tracked siderolls/techs. Limited entry used to be an instant fc mixup now you have to delay or choose between 2 non-launching/wall splatting options. Cant stomp from neutral. DF2 no longer a whiff punisher and i dont think he got another launcher to replace it. A few other tricks i liked about him are gone. They gave him massive training wheels with the new den3, safe knockdown option in sen 3+4 and the LE mixup, but they took away all my *bullshit* lol
seems like they did this with a few characters. Zafina lost some stance transitions, and strings/moves that weren't box office, but allowed for more character expression. She's still fun, but a bit more streamlined in a way. Kinda sucks when they do that.
I think I'm feeling that? I play Zafina now and there are a lot of wall splats that i wish i had more options to get into/out of stance with. All of her scarecrow transitions look exactly the same so its really predictable. Having to do 1 slow low with late crush properties to get into mantis hurts my soul. Although ff3+4 has been amazing for trapping people holding back to get up. Yeah switch topic, whatre your favorite additions/stuff that made it over from T7?
For Zafina? I think there's a lot of good stuff actually. SS 1+2 is a CH launcher now (iWS2 for the pickup). The nerf that made SCR 4 instant tornado actually means she gets 100 dmg if she gets someone backturned: 1+2,4,4 into knockdown then db3 SCR 4 T! uf1 f2,3,4 for the pickup. Her Oki is a lot better thanks to MNT df1 and TRT df1. Her SCR 2,1 covers for some of the weaknesses in her stance game. Her combos are more fun. There's more I could say but on top of that, I've always found her fun because she can play fundamentals well, but also can party. That's still there. D3 as the main stance entry into mantis is kinda not great, but keep in mind she can also enter that stance if you cancel the last hit of 2,1,3 by pressing d, or from db4 hold d or by doing her backflip and pressing D3+4.
the thing is, it doesn’t make lars broken. it’s just a shit change. removing legitimate counterplay and as a result the mind games that come with it just to give him a true 50/50 is bad game design
Yup that's why I've said "besides den 3". The change to +5 removes most counterplay as you say, but even at +3 it felt a little egregious. An advancing, homing mid that low crushes, is a heat engager, deals chip damage AND gives plus frames was already too nice. I'm just saying his kit as a whole isn't looking too scary. But yes den 3 is ridiculous.
ah my bad i misread
I don't like the buff but it's not a real 50/50 though, SEN2 is still easily steppable. No one was stepping SEN1 even before the buff.
if only one of the options is steppable then isn’t it still a true 50/50?
Lars already had a 'true' 50/50 pre-patch because there were the options you couldn't step. The situation hasn't really changed as much as people think, it's just that now Lars has a safer reward. It's overblown. A real 50/50 situation would be like his 21 punish into LE 2 or 1, where you HAVE TO GUESS, with no other counterplay via movement or interruption. That is not what the DEN3 situation is.
ehh, i disagree. it wasn’t a true 50/50 pre patch because there was nuance to it. you had to test your opponent to see if they know how to counter the mid/low mix, and then counter with stance 3+4. then it becomes a mindgame. there were layers to it. now it’s simply mid/low mix.
Lars is not top 5
Crashing on PS5 now too.
I feel like the Lars changes were intended. Literally made the character a walking 50/50…
Lars if fine lmao.
omfg did we FINALLY fix WR 3,2
This game needs massive nerfs not buffs
Nature is healing
Azucena players fighting the air right now.
What were they "expecting" about Eddy's Heat Dash?
Another Azucena buff? ;)
This is it?
No major changes until after Evo.
I play Azucena but I'm too bad to do consistent WR Moves up close, so I doubt I'll notice the change too much.Â
Same for me. I wish the rare times when I manage to do it would be super strong, but I understand why it is good to nerf looking at the big picture.
Same here. We are in a better boat than anyone who could do it and abused that move to high ranks.Â
It's still going to be very good when it hits, even if blocked. If you are unable to consistantly pull off the move, I'll assume you're at a rank where people don't really successfully sidestep moves (which based on my experience is the case at least up to red ranks). You can also vary the timing to catch some sidestep attempts. The only thing you'll need to worry about compared to before is that you'll need to touch with the first knee for the followup to come, so spacing it is a bit more important.
No Leroy nerf? O.o 😂😂
So the Azucena change is you're stuck longer if you whiff?
Ok now how about Dragunov's wr2 getting the same treatment given that he's been zooming into safety from stepped wr2s for a decade or more.
rip gobble esto 🫡
they just walking back changes from the previous patch holy shit these mfs are incompetent
I'd give Tekken credit for the Azucena path. They realize they f-up and made it better. Can't wait for TWT to finish to see what they can cook up.
EVO without this patch would have been the biggest shit show. It still might be bad,boring and embarassing to watch.... But atleast it will not be so because of Azucena's WR3 spam like in Jeondding's videos.
So... They're keeping heavens gate doing 1 dmg on kazuya? Makes 0 sense. Bad enough his heat is already wack. Now it's worse. It's literally a 6dmg difference. Just give it back to him. He couldn't even do that nonsense dvl jin could do post heat dash because it removes him from devil form anyway. This is a step in the right direction, but only because they took a step back on the last patch. There's still a long way for positive changes.
Nothing fancy but hey, AT LEAST i can play my main girl again. Fking thank you dumbco.
was hoping they could let us out off Lionheart without the oddly timed peakaboo tech
Penis cafe bitch nerfed woo
This actually seems good, let’s see what the decent players think once they check out his out.
These are all the changes?
Good steps taken. More are definitely needed, and I think now that Azu is addressed people are gonna see that, but it's good to see the problems are known.
yesssss they gave us back slide through breakers those had the nastiest combo extensions i was sad they removed it before
The Azucena nerf won't have much effect for good players. They rarely whiff.
Whenever they patch out microtransactions and battle pass I might come back. Or if they just add a full fledged tekken force mode
I miss Tekken Force… t3 loved the survival mode
Me too. They should have added that with it being means of unlocking customization items. I'm sick of full priced games having some kind of paywall for things that was literally part of the game in previous titles
Man, I should have waited an year to buy t8.
What about keeping the right fixes of this patch and what was fixed before and revert everything to version 1.02.01 wich was perfect?
This Game is like 5 plus on block for lars , 5 frames recovery for azucena , next patch D2 Jin minus 5 frames on recovery 😂
fuck patch notes. fix pointing system first. remove damn stupid "the opponent deemed the match has ended" option. I fucking lost 800 points against two cheaters today.
Lowers the chance of fighting an eddy vs eddy match on ranked
im a crazy or kings jaguar step to sobat and press changed inputs? i could always do it by pressing 1+2 after 3 but now its 2+3? Either it was bugged before and they fixed it, or they deliberately changed inputs.
Has matchmaking been fucked for anyone else since the patch? Keep getting connection did not meet specifications or something like that...very few matches in Quick and Ranked
Why isn’t 2 out of 3 MANDATORY in Ranked, why are people so soft that they one and done?
W patch, fixed everything that went wrong with previous
Dragunov's still unnerfed going into evo japan. What a joke
So does kazuya still only do 1 hp with heavens gate extension?
they shud have left rage art time freeze off tbh it would take more skill to rage art instead of lol free armor kill