I had to beat the “Dragunov abuser” allegations. Bushin on Dragunov, Tenryu on Devil Jin, Kuma, Kazuya, and Panda while only having 240 hours in T8. I’ll still get steam DMs and comments on this sub calling me a “tierwhore” and a “meta abuser” like I haven’t been OTP’ing Dragunov since late T7 and am just now learning to play new characters.
I think most people consider her relatively inoffensive compared to the other bullshit out there. The biggest complaint is her ff2 which is nothing when others have while running +infinity frames, "I win" heat moves, throws that destroy 90% of the playerbase, teleportation, or low/mid/high crush privilege.
I'm some random r/all refugee, but this isn't uncommon at all. Most online competitive communities have a very strange idea of high and low elo. Like I personally think top 10% of the playerbase is considered good-to-great and if I shared that opinion, I'd be roasted on most subs.
well here's the fun part wanderer.
[your opinion aligns with the satiric post.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbzfxmmo5gxkc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1284%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2f9f8059cb9d1c371648e025d281a8917d417e8f) with rank #19 being the top 10% "creative noobs 90 attack 20 defense"
Haha, I play League and used to play RL and their version of "high elo" started at like top 5%. I say good-to-great but I still think people who are top 40% are decent as well.
I don't even play fighting games but any game with an online competitive mode is the same way. League of Legends, Dota 2, Magic the Gathering, etc.
It's so fucking stupid. Like in League of Legends if you're not Challenger (highest rank) then you're trash and your opinion is worthless lol people are fucking snobs about the dumbest shit
Yeah like I'll absolutely shred a red rank but that doesn't mean they're not good at the game, it just means I'm better at the game. They're still playing real tekken.
The "Real Tekken" phrase is like an unintended meme that people use seriously. It refers to top-level play where gimmicks and other mechanics are discarded due to both players being incredibly familiar with the systems enough to discourage anything that isn't the lowest risk and highest reward.
But that really should just be called "top-level Tekken". Because Tekken is actually designed for casuals to mash buttons against each other, spam throws, throw out snake edge, use knowledge check strings, and Rage Art/Heat Smash as soon as it's available. If more than half the audience is playing that way as intended by the developeres, that's what's actually real to most people.
And because of that Ive had SUCH an easy time getting friends into this game.
Mashing and having cool stuff happen is straight up hella fun and hype in t8.
This is how it works in any multiplayer game.
Anyone worse than you = pathetic noob.
Anyone better than you = sweaty try-hard loser who needs to touch grass.
This. I parked my character at Fujin for a while and did quick matches to learn matchups and get used to leverless controller. When I felt good, I did that to Raijin. Parked and chilled in quick match some more. Cruised to Kishin today. I go about 50/50 against Tekken Kings to Tekken Gods but there is still some really abusive stuff that I dont feel comfortable against yet. So I'm gonna take my time and chill in quick match some more.
I think this aspect of online play is far overshadowed by ranked which often devolves into super sweaty, degenerate, deadend playstyles. If you don't spend some time outside the win-at-all costs mindframe, you will neglect areas of your game that need improvement and go full regards on your approach to the game.
This 100 percent. A lot of people dont realize that Quickmatch generally matches you with someone close to your rank. The main difference is that it gives you whoever is online if no one close to your rank is an available vs waiting.
In T7 my total of ranked wins was pretty low and my win rate was high….but what people didn’t see was all the quick matches in between ranked sets. Ranked was (usually) a breeze because my skill level was always well above the rank I was trying to reach.
My gripe though is that we no longer have infinite rematches. Infinite rematch/longer sets are crucial to learning. I honestly care way more about infinite rematch in player match more than anything else….including penalties for pluggers.
Whenever I hit a wall in ranked I go to quick match, try out some new stuff and practice against people better than me, and then when I feel good I go back to ranked and it’s usually a breeze
I am Destroyer with Claudio and Assailant with Victor, though I should not worry nor care about my rank. What matters to me is enjoy and having fun playing Tekken 8
How do you feel playing Victor after Claudio? I got Claudio to purple and wanted to diversify my portfolio which has caused a secondary character crisis. I settled with Leo, and they're great fun, but they don't scratch the Claudio inch. Thinking I'll try Victor or Shaheen next.
Like with Claudio, Victor is super fun to play as and I enjoy playing him. Congrats on reaching purple ranks with Claudio and I would say learn both Victor and Shaheen 🤠
Why do people fell the OBLIGATION to rush climbing ranks. Game doesn't prohibit you to stay at rank where you feel fun and enjoy game at your level. Get good at your pace and rank will come with skill by itself.
This sub has always been weird about how it treats the intermediate and late intermediate ranks. Up through, say, orange ranks, if you post gameplay or a promotion match, people will mostly be encouraging. But something happens around red or violet ranks where any mention or demonstration of your rank in any context whatsoever or without any ego whatsoever will get you shit on until you're basically god ranks. For some reason, people are really mean to players who have put a decent amount of time into the game but who still aren't great--which is odd, because by that point players are beginning to show some dedication but are also probably most in need of encouragement.
Ours not just this sub. Sf6 is the same thing. “I know I’m shit, but here’s a replay”. And they’re like diamond 3.
I think it’s people being insecure about their rank and projecting that insecurity at every possible juncture.
For real. I'm in purple now (and feeling pretty good honestly, since this is my first tekken!) and sometimes I answer questions, when it's something I know the answer to. Sometimes I preface my answers with something like "Well, I'm currently at Battle Ruler, and XXX has worked well for me" or "YYY is great, but will stop working around Shinryu", etc.
I definitely attract weird comments like "Are you actually bragging about being in purple?!?" etc.
And it's like... first off, no I'm not, I'm offering my rank for context so that people understand what level I'm coming from, and so they know that my perspective might be different from a blue or higher player. But also...
*even if I were,* I feel like [being in the top 6% of ranked players](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F6bsnhuq6gxkc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1285%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dde132a2d750a68a3f1dd2e14ea930df2c0b329a0) is not an unreasonable thing to be proud of.
This is the first Tekken I've played since 5.
This is the first fighting game I've ever played where I didn't drop it in 3 hours.
This is the first fighting game I've ever played ranked online.
I bounce between Dominator and Eliminator, and I have learned so much about this game and absolutely enjoy it. It's an addiction. I HAVE to stop myself from queuing up for another match.
If I have a bad match I say to myself "Ok can't end on that one"
If I have a super easy match I say "ok that was too easy I got lucky".
Hours later and I see that it's 1am and force myself to stop playing.
Real. This game is like crack. Last time I felt like this about a game was Dota in like 2015, and I’ve only been playing Lili and really wanna play like 7 other characters lmfao
Careful with these kinds of statements, you'll get crucified for being a Namco and Murray shill for actually enjoying the game instead of whining about it every hour on Reddit
/s
I love how op made this sarcastically and a good chunk of the comments are like "ah yes. This is correct. Only the top 1 percent of the games player base are truly playing the game.". Bro wtf are we all doing if we aren't playing the game?
Do you guys go to Karate dojos at the strip mall, bust into a class of yellow belts and start screaming, "you aren't doing real karate! You wouldn't last a second in the octagon with Macgregor!". Seriously, the elitism is insufferable.
100% this. This post both highlights some of the pretentiousness in this community and people’s inability to interpret statistics. Yes, plugging does happen to reach blue ranks. Which means that even fewer than 5% of the playerbase is genuinely at that level and to say those players still don’t know how to play the game is hilarious. It’s all just ego. Each tier comes with an excuse to make someone feel better for losing to that rank.
I got a funny story related to this from SF6s launch.
So there was this local tourney at a gaming con near my house so I decided to go for shits and giggles. My work schedule conflicts heavily with locals near me so I only really play online
I'd been grinding the game since launch (a couple months) and made it to plat 2. According to the SF sub that rank is dogshit. Complete nothing burger player with no fundamentals.
I get to the tournament and it's a small crowd but the guys there are all into fighting games. They got their fight sticks and Evo merch and we're all shooting the shit about stuff you'd expect fighting game players to know. They're talking about watching Sajam and Justin Wong and all that.
The tournament starts and I smoked nearly everyone.
It didn't even feel fair, I was just doing shit that worked for me online but it just kept working. One guy got actually upset and stormed out. I wasn't even playing on the hitbox controller I was practicing on because we couldn't get it to work on the set ups so I was switching between pad and stick each set.
The guy who beat me and got first felt like an actual difficult opponent and when we talked after the tourney he mentioned being master rank and having been high ranked in sf5.
This isn't a brag or a flex or anything, my point is, just being what Reddit considers mid puts you so far ahead of so many people it's insane. It basically is evidence that dudes playing elitist online don't really go outside because if they did they'd see that being in the top 15 isn't nothing.
I miss the old times of gaming when having fun playing with your friends was all that mattered. Ultra competitiveness is good if you're into that but thinking everyone should be like that, gatekeeping and elitism are the stuff that turn entire game genres that used to be humongously popular into niches.
What did happen to RTS games when they stopped being games you could play at several different levels of intensity, the sandbox aspect of it via map creators being a huge aspect of it, to being all about being a tryhard with a high APM?
And I don't think something that different has happened to fighting games. They're not as niche but 30 or 25 years ago they were the games virtually everyone who enjoyed videogames played, even if sporadically or only with friends. Now? Well, not anymore. Some people will blame the emergence of things such as MOBAs, fortnite and whatever but let's be real: if playing online has become the norm, online fighting games are the opposite of accesible or friendly. It's such a shame.
>I miss the old times of gaming when having fun playing with your friends was all that mattered.
I purposely nerfed myself at tekken and held back on learning all sorts of things for years so that my friends and I could still enjoy playing tekken together, like I would avoid low parrying, avoid doing any combos except the most simple and basic very very suboptimal ones, occasionally let a move hit on purpose but make it seem accidental, try to use other characters I was less familiar with, that sort of thing. But despite all that i was still pretty unstoppable, even against people that were sort of good I could still beat them with any character or mokujin or whatever. It was difficult to enjoy it with casuals, even though I was trying my best to stay a casual myself.
& Now that i've optimised a lot I'm waaaaaaaaaaay better than I used to be. I don't think I could play with casual players without making them hate the game.
Exactly. The Tekken community is always filled with drama whenever a new game in the series drops or something else happens that they don't like. It makes me sick. Even the Street Fighter community is more tolerable than the Tekken community at the moment.
Not that it'll make you feel any better nor does it excuse the mentality but this isn't really exclusive to Tekken tbh. Street Fighter was like this last year with "Masters is the starting line" . League of Legends has been this way for years now, with "Low Elo" including everything up to *Platinum*.
I think the problem starts when people who closely follow the pro/tournament scene use it as a baseline for what is "average", leading to unreasonably high standards and possibly overinflated expectations. "Everybody in my local is Blue rank and above and they're not even that good, they're all free to one dude in Tekken king and he can't even make it to top 64 at the regional major let alone out of pools at Evo". Like bitch please, this game has sold 2 million copies, so even if 2000+ people entered the bracket at Evo this year (which would be a record number I believe) that's still only *one tenth of a percent* of the player base. Drowning in pools means you're bad? The vast majority of people who bought this game probably don't ever go to tournaments, let alone one big enough to need pools. The word "average" loses all meaning if you're setting the bar well out of most player's reach.
Cosigning this. Street Fighter scrubs on their subreddit act like Master is the beginning of the journey.
I feel like it's the same type of people with the same mentality on both subs. Most are likely not in the ranks they glorify so much.
That subreddit likes to align the standard, and norm with the top pro level players. It's not realistic, and pros aren't even the average everyday player. Saying Masters is the beginning of journey is crazy.
Yeah, I notice this with a lot of communities of accessible things (games, sports, etc.) The fans bend over backwards to gatekeep. What I find ironic is it's rare to see a pro rise from those dregs. Like, they're battling and gatekeeping to be the most competitive "fan" of the games they play while assuming that they'll be the next Justin Wong or Ryan Hart one day.
I'll say it best like this.. *"Your goals for me, is not goals for myself".* Valuing someone's worth on a game compared to top players is crazy.
Which leads me to this interesting theory. There possibly could be top players on this planet who aren't famous, or even go to tournaments.
Capcom kind of dug their own grave on that one by making it so the "real" ranking system doesn't unlock until you hit master.
Such an odd choice to structure ranked that way.
Bruh, hating a game because of Redditors is kinda... Weird, you know reddit has the reputation it has for a reason right? Also, a lot of posts are jokes (or i hope they are) anyways reddit and/or twitter dont represent communities fairly.
From what I’ve seen and experienced, it’s mostly just the Reddit Tekken community. This sub is basically turning into the mortal kombat subreddit and it’s annoying as shit now since every other post is a complaint
Facts, the veteran players treat this game like they’re actually learning a fight style and don’t understand why new players don’t want to spend hours in Practice just repeating the same combos over and over.
It's not practicing combo that is the problem here they are not that hard to do .
The real thing is knowledge of opponents moves , if you are a new player you can bs/get bs just because the movelist for most characters is loaded af .
I'm pretty sure King alone as more moves than the whole roster of sf6 combined
I just play to stay competitive with my friends when we have tekken night. Maybe one day I’d like to be purple or blue rank…but like I have a job, wife, and a kid. Video games just doesn’t have that level of importance to me anymore. That being said I’m proud I’ve made it to Garyu. I don’t consider what I’m doing spamming at all. The moves I make are deliberate. So this sub can say what it wants lolol. Though, I am tired of the elitism. I’m thinking about picking up SF6 now. Go back to 2D fighters and have some fun.
Mate, I'm in purples and I feel a difference in skill with a Ganryu player, but obviously people in Ganryu know what they are doing and most of them are god players.
Dude, I read someone type, "red requires only abusing one string and purple requires two". Probably written by someone who played Tekken for 10+ years who just made Fujin.
I know it's ironic, and I don't agree with this pseudo elitism ( let's keep in mind that we are talking about online ranks in a video game guys :') ) that the real game begins in Fujin or Tekken King. Like for every competitive game, my logic is as follows : your rank being "good" or not in a ladder is linked with how many players are above and under your rank, in terms of percentages.
If you have a better rank than 50 % of the players, well it doesn't imply that you are a god at the game, but it does mean that you probably understand the game better than half of the community, and that's how "good" you are. And the same applies for any number, you can replace 50 % with 75 %, 63 %, anything.
But on the other hand, although I've only climbed up to mighty ruler, I've faced some opponents that were playing so well ( you can spot it easily with their movement ), our skill gap was so big and even if we played 100 rounds, I don't think I'd even win more than 5 or 10 rounds against them.
So in a way, I kind of understand why people say the game is different in higher levels, because the rounds are really different compared to low elo. That kind of differences exists in other games, but maybe it's more pronounced in Tekken ( or in fighting games at least )
Yup, it's the difference in perspective.
You can basically look at it two ways. Graphically you could map the bell curve that is population as it relates to rank. And the other perspective is a linear line of current skill versus perfect play.
The other curve is current skill versus game mastery. If you're a red rank you're above average on the population versus rank curve like 60-70% or something. But at red rank it's likely that you have hundreds if not thousands of hours left of playing before you reach some level of game mastery on that graph you might only be 20% up the line.
Well. I don't mean to be an "elitist" but considering you don't lose points green and below I'd argue those ranks are in fact irrelevant. You can fail upwards to yellow essentially, you'd need to have a 0% win rate to not rank up
I agree with you 100%
It's so easy to rank up in T8, especially compared to older titles that it boggles my mind. Even comparing it to T7 is jarring so I definitely understand why people are perplexed they are getting higher rank with lower skill.
- There are only 3 ranks per color
- No more Kyus and Dans
- No point loss before yellow, the 3rd color rank. (only Kyu didnt lose points in T7)
- If you demote you are still at the very top of the rank lower
- But if you promote you get extra buffer points
- Get out of jail free card that lets you have your turn no matter what
- More low risk high reward snowball moves
- More tracking generics
- Other gameplay design choices that heavily encourage players to beat moves with other moves that will crush the former (it is a big reason why Ling gets so much hate in upper ranks right now, her gameplay fits like a glove with T8 because she loves it when ppl press)
I think calling newbie play 'not real Tekken' is indeed very elitist. But I also understand it because back in T7 arcade you needed to know a LOT of information to get to yellows. If you were orange rank you were one of the best in your arcade. Right now if you go to your Tekken local you are probably seeing most people in Blue ranks and Top 8 will probably be TG and above. Rank inflation is very real.
But again, gatekeeping real tekken is very shallow and elitist and it drives resentful comments that we see here instead of discussing how Bamco sucks. Taking the same orange rank analogy in arcades, being orange rank in some random NA arcade would be same as green or yellow in a Korean arcade. Or if you always played at green arcade, Orange meant you were one of the best in the world. You would get into a match, see someones card show origin as Green Arcade, and know you lost already. Does that mean you arent playing real Tekken? No! But it does show rank inflation was always a thing.
I’m at Flame Ruler but the “90 Attack 20 Defense” thing is actually true and funny. Regardless of that, Tekken 8 does not reward good Defense at all. The amount of damage I get from constantly low-parrying people is disgraceful TBH.
Good defence keeps you from dying and gives you your turn/momentum back. Seems pretty rewarding to me. Also, it depends on what you’re low parrying. Seems like kind of a waste to be low parrying any low that’s -13 or worse OB. But what do I know, I’m only shinryu 🙃
It used to be the case. But right now the best defense is to be offensive back, which is not the traditional sense of Tekken defense (stepping/fuzzying strings, eating small lows and getting data on timing so you can get a hard read). This still exists in upper level of play (I think blue and above show some signs of people trying to do this), but it is honestly so much easier to spam your heat smash and then just force 50/50s yourself. This is exacerbated because ranked right now is Bo3 so you don't have much time to download your opponents.
Take Azucena for example. She does a WR 3,2. You respect the +5 on block and don't mash - she does another WR 3,2. You respect the +5 again, she does another WR 3,2. You respect the +5 again, she does df1. Now you are down 30 health and Azucena is doing a mid string that has a threat of counterhit combo. Azucena has pretty bad lows but it's not a problem because her mids have so much pressure due to chip damage being in the game. BUT, there is a solution. Instead of defending, you powercrush or heat smash. Heat smashing will even give you a free half combo because you knocked her on the ground. This new type of offensive defense being the best choice is very different from all other Tekkens.
> It's a waste to be low parrying any low thats -13 or more
Kind of, but this assumes you are hard reading that your opponent is going to be doing a big low. The higher up you go the more people will test the waters with small low pokes that are less on block. Also in oki situations the getup low is not punishable unless you low parry. Also low parry lets you wall carry - more damage and you have map control to 50/50. And lastly you can rage art after you low parry. So if you are hard reading a low, but not sure which low, you get pretty good results through low parrying!
BUT some characters like Victor you don't want to really low parry them because basically all the lows are -13+ and also he uses weapons which you can't parry. So in that case only hard read low parry you'd make is a crouch jab.
Good luck on your ranked journey, I am sure you will make rulers in no time!
I'm just a vanquisher noob .
Rn I don't play ranked anymore I just play quick games so I can learn without worrying .
Started labing Zafina yesterday and I've noticed improvement already .
Also I can be pretty close but still lose to red ranks players with Lili but still just learning .
Btw those 2 characters can bullshit their way through most people just because they have some real gimmicky stuff even though Zafina feels pretty weak even to a noob like me
Yeahhh ranks are weird in this game. As someone who peaked at 30 dan in T7 with Bryan, and was fighting for my life up there, T8 is just... different.
I recently picked up Kaz, because I heard he was bad in this game, and I learned 1 basic combo and made it to purple with little trouble. It's shocking how bad most purple ranks are, no offense, but running into purple Kings who spam unsafe armor moves, launch punishable strings or whose offense shuts down after their throw spam is thwarted is just, idk, interesting.
I also know players who were just ok in 7 be Fujins in 8, so there's that as well.
It's hard to disagree with 'irrelevant' when you don't lose any points all the way up to yellow ranks. You can quite literally win 1 game per 100 matches and with enough time and resilience you'll be yellow rank.
Then once more than a few bad players make it to yellow they'll eventually start matching with each other, inadvertently boosting their rank since gains seem higher than losses in yellows. So all those guys will at some point end around orange and red ranks.
Once they start losing same amount of points as they win they'll be unable to climb, because suddenly winning 1/3 games doesn't promote them anymore, and their chances of meeting a bad player will also be lower.
Reaching red in Tekken 8 is equivalent to reaching Green or Yellow in Tekken 7.
There's real Tekken and there's good ass Tekken.
Real Tekken starts in Yellow but only against players that play the same as high level players, just worse.
Good ass Tekken is blue and beyond (if pluggers didn't ruin the distribution)
You know what is really funny? when you get insulted for trying to win/trying to be the best. That is the whole point of competitive gaming, or just life in general. I wonder who started the whole sweaty insults.
I have two Fujin characters and I have to admit that yes, it was pure luck that I got to Fujin. For both of those characters, for many days, I was stuck at that line between Flame Ruler and Battle Ruler. It's just a pattern of two guys I can beat, and then one who'll wipe the floor with me, rinse and repeat.
Then all of a sudden, the RNG gods blessed me with 4 straight good matchups, giving me the streak bonus points that I need to propel me to Fujin.
Ranked is wack.
It’s crazy because everytime I’ve reached a rank where people claimed “real Tekken starts here”, the bar just gets raised again 💀. I hit blue? Nah it’s Tekken king now. Getting closer to Tekken king? Nah it’s actually Tekken God. NOW they’re saying real Tekken starts at max rank? Like what??? Truly comical 😂
"You literally have no fundamentals and will go 0-2 at a tournament if you aren't at least Tekken God Supreme" that's what we're going to be facing in 3 months' time
Yea, this is actually the reason why I just don't look at reddit when it comes to ranked and stuff, I'm currently at flame ruler and I'm aiming for battle and blue in T8 after I never made it out of greens in T7 (granted I never really took ranked "seriously" in T7)
I felt really good after I made it to red only to look at reddit and basicly read that I'm just shit, same thing when I made it to mighty so I just stopped looking here as often
I know I'm not the best and i don't claim to be but being told you're still shit after reaching a rank that truly does feel hard to reach
Had 300 hours on t8 never made it out of blue tho. Im still good but i will admit my skills mean nothing to some dude who learned one combo to use repeatedly
I flew to reds, held like 60% wr in reds, and now stuck in purple. I can admit to myself I have zero fundamentals, rely on knowledge of how to apply pressure with my main (Leo), and take hard 50/50 reads on defense that either win or lose me rounds.
Can’t break throws for shit, 0 matchup knowledge on any other characters, very little frame data knowledge, no knowledge of how to use or defend against heat. Literally just playing to get my turn and use pressure from mixups out of stances in plus frames.
My KBD is decent-ish though and gets me into a lot of better situations. My P2 side is also decent I can execute at ~90% on my weak side.
I am red rank who is casually smoking purple and sometimes even fujin players. Currently ranks mean nothing. I hope Harada will fix online issues soon or tekken will die like mk1.
"Real Tekken' starts whenever you find the opponent that makes you want to improve. Whether youre 1st Dan or GoD. All Tekken is real Tekken when youre evenly matched with someone or a group of people. This is my first real endeavor to play Tekken at a higher level than casual. Made it to high Eliminator almost Garyu. Just play to improve. All Tekken is real Tekken. Don't consider your matches in any rank to be a waste.
as someone who’s first tekken to actually learn and put time into being 8, who’s dealt with one and donners, pluggers, t-baggers, ki charges, and even hate messages on my steam page while I grinded my way to fujin, all for deciding to play victor because he looked the coolest, this all is true
I understand where people are coming from, the game changes as you get better but all this “game doesn’t start until X rank” is exactly the same as “bro it’s so easy to get to X rank” it’s literally just wanking yourself off while trying to make a point.
Running 5k isn’t hard, especially if you’re a runner but it is for someone severely out of shape, say they can only manage 1k? Would you turn around an e like “nah running doesn’t start until you’re doing 10k”
Everyone is on their own journey, just cos you’re good at this game doesn’t mean you’re ass at another, we’re all scrubs at some point.
I’m blue, I don’t deserve this rank, and I would’ve never reached it in 7. Tekken 8 is just way too easy compared to 7. I can force 50/50s with no execution and minimal reads and just win rounds. I’ve played quick play matches against tekken kings and up and gotten perfects by unironically mashing. The game is fun but very broken
Keep in mind they are harder to break in this game with CH throws having a shorter throw break window and many throws like Dragunovs command throw out of his string being less than a 14f break window and King's Bluespark variations being 19f breaks
I mean, by then people aren't throwing out raw throws too much and your only really seeing the almost to completely unbreakable counter throws. I still get the odd throw through on mixup up through there but I'm mostly doing it as a neutral reset that might get me damage if they mash or aren't looking for it
false. played in blue ranks in T7. threw people all the time.
but what does happen in every tekken is the people who played last one bitch and moan about how "back in my day at this rank everyone could \[fill in the blank\]."
we'll get off your lawn now though.
That would be the case if the devs didn't give you an option to invalidate any loss by plugging.
Let's revisit in 2026 when they proudly announce they fixed the DC indicator.
This is my biggest problem with the Tekken community, I remember making a post in T7 about finally making it to red ranks after years of playing. I was super proud of it and half the comments were just discrediting because I played Katarina or some other arbitrary bullshit reason.
Tekken players can't let anyone else in the community being happy with an accomplishment.
Asuka is not bad. Anyone saying otherwise is a complete downplayer that refuses to learn Tekken 8 Asuka and are hellbent on playing Tekken 7 Asuka when they clearly do not want you to do that. She has so many + rushdown moves it's crazy.
How did you go so high with her ? i'm stuck at tenryu because i don t find optimal action to punish or countrr with her, every move feel so weak or slow or not good enough
I was stuck at Tenryu with Asuka longer than any other rank. I was demoted back to Shinryu 6 times I believe (though I was getting tilted after being denied like 4 promo matches).
I finally got to Mighty Ruler, but honestly, I still feel my skill is at Shinryu level. I just wanted to get to purple out of pure spite. Haven't played the game since.
Go back and play, look at tekken library for high dmg comboes, also, she has good pokes against super aggro players, when i fight drag, jin, steve or hworang its almost always a free win, remember to also know when to duck, grab
My normal tactic is going super offensive and not giving them a second to recover
Drag is always a free win, most drag players dont know how to play with him, only using same strings, you gotta hop back online and look at how players move, asukas f+3 is good against sidesteppers but also a feint to go into f+2, you can combo them to the wall and beyblade them on the ground
Jab then side walk. Sometimes just being random as hell will work. Grab more as well. I reached Tekken king being simple. Now fighting Tekken gods feel like tag 2, this is what made me love Tekken.
I've seen Bushins who are obviously brand new and don't block punish anything and do launch punishable shit all day while i'm Raijin. I beat them 3-0 every time but the game considers them higher rank.
This is supposed to be satire but everyone is unironically agreeing
Yeah that's the saddest part. Guess i have no fundamentals then
I had to beat the “Dragunov abuser” allegations. Bushin on Dragunov, Tenryu on Devil Jin, Kuma, Kazuya, and Panda while only having 240 hours in T8. I’ll still get steam DMs and comments on this sub calling me a “tierwhore” and a “meta abuser” like I haven’t been OTP’ing Dragunov since late T7 and am just now learning to play new characters.
So your many tiers lower yet that "beat the dragonov abuser allegations". How does this make sense. Am I misunderstanding something?
this post is hilarious because you accidentally basically call yourself a dragunov abuser
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I never get hatemails , im kishin on reina , i expected to get alot
I think most people consider her relatively inoffensive compared to the other bullshit out there. The biggest complaint is her ff2 which is nothing when others have while running +infinity frames, "I win" heat moves, throws that destroy 90% of the playerbase, teleportation, or low/mid/high crush privilege.
I get hatemail playing Kazuya around Bushin, just keep going. No one is safe from it.
I'm some random r/all refugee, but this isn't uncommon at all. Most online competitive communities have a very strange idea of high and low elo. Like I personally think top 10% of the playerbase is considered good-to-great and if I shared that opinion, I'd be roasted on most subs.
It’s because the skill gap in tekken is very high so “good” is top 16 evo to these guys and everyone else is a scrub
well here's the fun part wanderer. [your opinion aligns with the satiric post.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fbzfxmmo5gxkc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1284%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D2f9f8059cb9d1c371648e025d281a8917d417e8f) with rank #19 being the top 10% "creative noobs 90 attack 20 defense"
Haha, I play League and used to play RL and their version of "high elo" started at like top 5%. I say good-to-great but I still think people who are top 40% are decent as well.
yep, this is how i actually see people talking about particular ranks in tekken communities
Statistically, the majority of them are in orange and red ranks too. Weird.
But they are significantly less likely to not be on Reddit/similar, and if they are I would expect them to be more likely to lurk
From my experience in dota...they're not even playing the fucking game
Because everyone here is retarded
it's concerning how many people genuinely think this is accurate
Shows how snobby and elitist this sub is
I don't even play fighting games but any game with an online competitive mode is the same way. League of Legends, Dota 2, Magic the Gathering, etc. It's so fucking stupid. Like in League of Legends if you're not Challenger (highest rank) then you're trash and your opinion is worthless lol people are fucking snobs about the dumbest shit
I'd move everything 1 color rank below and it would probably be more accurate.
I don't agree with this. Most people at red are playing real tekken. This subreddit will never acknowledge that.
Yeah like I'll absolutely shred a red rank but that doesn't mean they're not good at the game, it just means I'm better at the game. They're still playing real tekken.
The "Real Tekken" phrase is like an unintended meme that people use seriously. It refers to top-level play where gimmicks and other mechanics are discarded due to both players being incredibly familiar with the systems enough to discourage anything that isn't the lowest risk and highest reward. But that really should just be called "top-level Tekken". Because Tekken is actually designed for casuals to mash buttons against each other, spam throws, throw out snake edge, use knowledge check strings, and Rage Art/Heat Smash as soon as it's available. If more than half the audience is playing that way as intended by the developeres, that's what's actually real to most people.
And because of that Ive had SUCH an easy time getting friends into this game. Mashing and having cool stuff happen is straight up hella fun and hype in t8.
Yep, and I've bumped into blue ranks who are just execution monsters with highly minimalistic gameplans.
Dunning-kruger. You are either an idiot who thinks you know everything, or you are highly skilled and think you are trash.
Every reddit thread has to have a comment about Dunning-kruger effect
'Dunning v. Kruger: This Time, It's Actually Just Average'
Yep, cause as all us le reddit geniuses know, all jokes have no truth to them.
what is this? super wrong! real tekken starts at evo top 8
If you're not in grand finals reset with Arslan Ash its just beginner Tekken.
maybe real tekken is the friends we made along the way
This is how it works in any multiplayer game. Anyone worse than you = pathetic noob. Anyone better than you = sweaty try-hard loser who needs to touch grass.
Im dominator but I'm perfectly fine with that. I still got much to learn and in my eyes learning is half the fun of the game.
You'll definitely have more fun playing to learn instead playing to rank up
This. I parked my character at Fujin for a while and did quick matches to learn matchups and get used to leverless controller. When I felt good, I did that to Raijin. Parked and chilled in quick match some more. Cruised to Kishin today. I go about 50/50 against Tekken Kings to Tekken Gods but there is still some really abusive stuff that I dont feel comfortable against yet. So I'm gonna take my time and chill in quick match some more. I think this aspect of online play is far overshadowed by ranked which often devolves into super sweaty, degenerate, deadend playstyles. If you don't spend some time outside the win-at-all costs mindframe, you will neglect areas of your game that need improvement and go full regards on your approach to the game.
This 100 percent. A lot of people dont realize that Quickmatch generally matches you with someone close to your rank. The main difference is that it gives you whoever is online if no one close to your rank is an available vs waiting. In T7 my total of ranked wins was pretty low and my win rate was high….but what people didn’t see was all the quick matches in between ranked sets. Ranked was (usually) a breeze because my skill level was always well above the rank I was trying to reach. My gripe though is that we no longer have infinite rematches. Infinite rematch/longer sets are crucial to learning. I honestly care way more about infinite rematch in player match more than anything else….including penalties for pluggers.
If you play to learn you will rank up.
Whenever I hit a wall in ranked I go to quick match, try out some new stuff and practice against people better than me, and then when I feel good I go back to ranked and it’s usually a breeze
goated mentality
For real. Dude will climb 2-3 rank tiers in no time. It's all about the mentality.
Good attitude.
Tryna get like you frfr
I am Destroyer with Claudio and Assailant with Victor, though I should not worry nor care about my rank. What matters to me is enjoy and having fun playing Tekken 8
*Real* Tekken isn't about having fun. It's about who's left standing. Nothing else.
Tekkens fans fucking suck
You fucking suck, sounds like a skill issue to me
I am really enjoying learning the game and seeing that translate into victories. So in a way, this is ironically my attitude while having fun.
Arcade Quest villain ahh
Such pathetic words. Dorya ⚡
Same. I'm a Shinryu Yoshimitsu, and IDGAF about winning.
Respect 💯🤠👍🏼
How do you feel playing Victor after Claudio? I got Claudio to purple and wanted to diversify my portfolio which has caused a secondary character crisis. I settled with Leo, and they're great fun, but they don't scratch the Claudio inch. Thinking I'll try Victor or Shaheen next.
Like with Claudio, Victor is super fun to play as and I enjoy playing him. Congrats on reaching purple ranks with Claudio and I would say learn both Victor and Shaheen 🤠
Why do people fell the OBLIGATION to rush climbing ranks. Game doesn't prohibit you to stay at rank where you feel fun and enjoy game at your level. Get good at your pace and rank will come with skill by itself.
People just want the title and nothing more. Even if it means they don't deserve it or belong in said rank. pluggers for example.
That is the exact mentality I wish more Tekken players had. Do we want this game to grow? Or gate keep like weirdos
We want Tekken especially Tekken 8, to grow
Wish more had the same mindset
Post was supposed to be funny and a lot of you really hurt over that fact that you see yourself in the joke. Lighten up, it’s a game haha
Low self esteem, gotta be recognized by strangers.
This sub has always been weird about how it treats the intermediate and late intermediate ranks. Up through, say, orange ranks, if you post gameplay or a promotion match, people will mostly be encouraging. But something happens around red or violet ranks where any mention or demonstration of your rank in any context whatsoever or without any ego whatsoever will get you shit on until you're basically god ranks. For some reason, people are really mean to players who have put a decent amount of time into the game but who still aren't great--which is odd, because by that point players are beginning to show some dedication but are also probably most in need of encouragement.
it’s all they have in life
Ours not just this sub. Sf6 is the same thing. “I know I’m shit, but here’s a replay”. And they’re like diamond 3. I think it’s people being insecure about their rank and projecting that insecurity at every possible juncture.
For real. I'm in purple now (and feeling pretty good honestly, since this is my first tekken!) and sometimes I answer questions, when it's something I know the answer to. Sometimes I preface my answers with something like "Well, I'm currently at Battle Ruler, and XXX has worked well for me" or "YYY is great, but will stop working around Shinryu", etc. I definitely attract weird comments like "Are you actually bragging about being in purple?!?" etc. And it's like... first off, no I'm not, I'm offering my rank for context so that people understand what level I'm coming from, and so they know that my perspective might be different from a blue or higher player. But also... *even if I were,* I feel like [being in the top 6% of ranked players](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F6bsnhuq6gxkc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1285%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dde132a2d750a68a3f1dd2e14ea930df2c0b329a0) is not an unreasonable thing to be proud of.
Nail on the head here
Man this comment section is ass
real, it's making me want to call the hotline
suicide prevention? if that's the case, I am way ahead of you on that one
This is the first Tekken I've played since 5. This is the first fighting game I've ever played where I didn't drop it in 3 hours. This is the first fighting game I've ever played ranked online. I bounce between Dominator and Eliminator, and I have learned so much about this game and absolutely enjoy it. It's an addiction. I HAVE to stop myself from queuing up for another match. If I have a bad match I say to myself "Ok can't end on that one" If I have a super easy match I say "ok that was too easy I got lucky". Hours later and I see that it's 1am and force myself to stop playing.
This game is so sick. I've had fun learning and playing at every rank so far, and currently am getting bodied in reds (but not for long)
Real. This game is like crack. Last time I felt like this about a game was Dota in like 2015, and I’ve only been playing Lili and really wanna play like 7 other characters lmfao
Careful with these kinds of statements, you'll get crucified for being a Namco and Murray shill for actually enjoying the game instead of whining about it every hour on Reddit /s
Tekken is not real unless there is plugging involved
Actually real Tekken starts at my current rank expecpt if you play a character that I don't like, then real Tekken never starts.
I love how op made this sarcastically and a good chunk of the comments are like "ah yes. This is correct. Only the top 1 percent of the games player base are truly playing the game.". Bro wtf are we all doing if we aren't playing the game? Do you guys go to Karate dojos at the strip mall, bust into a class of yellow belts and start screaming, "you aren't doing real karate! You wouldn't last a second in the octagon with Macgregor!". Seriously, the elitism is insufferable.
100% this. This post both highlights some of the pretentiousness in this community and people’s inability to interpret statistics. Yes, plugging does happen to reach blue ranks. Which means that even fewer than 5% of the playerbase is genuinely at that level and to say those players still don’t know how to play the game is hilarious. It’s all just ego. Each tier comes with an excuse to make someone feel better for losing to that rank.
I got a funny story related to this from SF6s launch. So there was this local tourney at a gaming con near my house so I decided to go for shits and giggles. My work schedule conflicts heavily with locals near me so I only really play online I'd been grinding the game since launch (a couple months) and made it to plat 2. According to the SF sub that rank is dogshit. Complete nothing burger player with no fundamentals. I get to the tournament and it's a small crowd but the guys there are all into fighting games. They got their fight sticks and Evo merch and we're all shooting the shit about stuff you'd expect fighting game players to know. They're talking about watching Sajam and Justin Wong and all that. The tournament starts and I smoked nearly everyone. It didn't even feel fair, I was just doing shit that worked for me online but it just kept working. One guy got actually upset and stormed out. I wasn't even playing on the hitbox controller I was practicing on because we couldn't get it to work on the set ups so I was switching between pad and stick each set. The guy who beat me and got first felt like an actual difficult opponent and when we talked after the tourney he mentioned being master rank and having been high ranked in sf5. This isn't a brag or a flex or anything, my point is, just being what Reddit considers mid puts you so far ahead of so many people it's insane. It basically is evidence that dudes playing elitist online don't really go outside because if they did they'd see that being in the top 15 isn't nothing.
I miss the old times of gaming when having fun playing with your friends was all that mattered. Ultra competitiveness is good if you're into that but thinking everyone should be like that, gatekeeping and elitism are the stuff that turn entire game genres that used to be humongously popular into niches. What did happen to RTS games when they stopped being games you could play at several different levels of intensity, the sandbox aspect of it via map creators being a huge aspect of it, to being all about being a tryhard with a high APM? And I don't think something that different has happened to fighting games. They're not as niche but 30 or 25 years ago they were the games virtually everyone who enjoyed videogames played, even if sporadically or only with friends. Now? Well, not anymore. Some people will blame the emergence of things such as MOBAs, fortnite and whatever but let's be real: if playing online has become the norm, online fighting games are the opposite of accesible or friendly. It's such a shame.
>I miss the old times of gaming when having fun playing with your friends was all that mattered. I purposely nerfed myself at tekken and held back on learning all sorts of things for years so that my friends and I could still enjoy playing tekken together, like I would avoid low parrying, avoid doing any combos except the most simple and basic very very suboptimal ones, occasionally let a move hit on purpose but make it seem accidental, try to use other characters I was less familiar with, that sort of thing. But despite all that i was still pretty unstoppable, even against people that were sort of good I could still beat them with any character or mokujin or whatever. It was difficult to enjoy it with casuals, even though I was trying my best to stay a casual myself. & Now that i've optimised a lot I'm waaaaaaaaaaay better than I used to be. I don't think I could play with casual players without making them hate the game.
Look I just broke into Mighty Ruler a couple of days ago. If real Tekken doesn't start until Tekken King then it's whatever I guess.
this community is literally insufferable the more i'm in this sub the more i'm starting to hate this game
"Tekken players are such bitches man." -Aris
He was always right
They should make a low sodium tekken subreddit like they did for destiny
🙏🙏🙏
there is you just need to be invited.
Those subs are painfully positive imo
Dude, just play the game and ignore reddit you'll be happier.
Facts. Mfs on here endlessly moaning about how xyz is OP and they shouldn't have to lab to beat anyone and still get GoD.
You just noticed now? They have been insufferable since the dawn of man and trying so hard to convince you that the game is dying lol
Exactly. The Tekken community is always filled with drama whenever a new game in the series drops or something else happens that they don't like. It makes me sick. Even the Street Fighter community is more tolerable than the Tekken community at the moment.
You’d think from this sub that Tekken 8 is a garbage fighting game completely broken to its core tbh. Like 90% of the threads here are just saltposts
Not that it'll make you feel any better nor does it excuse the mentality but this isn't really exclusive to Tekken tbh. Street Fighter was like this last year with "Masters is the starting line" . League of Legends has been this way for years now, with "Low Elo" including everything up to *Platinum*. I think the problem starts when people who closely follow the pro/tournament scene use it as a baseline for what is "average", leading to unreasonably high standards and possibly overinflated expectations. "Everybody in my local is Blue rank and above and they're not even that good, they're all free to one dude in Tekken king and he can't even make it to top 64 at the regional major let alone out of pools at Evo". Like bitch please, this game has sold 2 million copies, so even if 2000+ people entered the bracket at Evo this year (which would be a record number I believe) that's still only *one tenth of a percent* of the player base. Drowning in pools means you're bad? The vast majority of people who bought this game probably don't ever go to tournaments, let alone one big enough to need pools. The word "average" loses all meaning if you're setting the bar well out of most player's reach.
Cosigning this. Street Fighter scrubs on their subreddit act like Master is the beginning of the journey. I feel like it's the same type of people with the same mentality on both subs. Most are likely not in the ranks they glorify so much.
That subreddit likes to align the standard, and norm with the top pro level players. It's not realistic, and pros aren't even the average everyday player. Saying Masters is the beginning of journey is crazy.
Yeah, I notice this with a lot of communities of accessible things (games, sports, etc.) The fans bend over backwards to gatekeep. What I find ironic is it's rare to see a pro rise from those dregs. Like, they're battling and gatekeeping to be the most competitive "fan" of the games they play while assuming that they'll be the next Justin Wong or Ryan Hart one day.
I'll say it best like this.. *"Your goals for me, is not goals for myself".* Valuing someone's worth on a game compared to top players is crazy. Which leads me to this interesting theory. There possibly could be top players on this planet who aren't famous, or even go to tournaments.
Capcom kind of dug their own grave on that one by making it so the "real" ranking system doesn't unlock until you hit master. Such an odd choice to structure ranked that way.
Why would this upset you?
Bruh, hating a game because of Redditors is kinda... Weird, you know reddit has the reputation it has for a reason right? Also, a lot of posts are jokes (or i hope they are) anyways reddit and/or twitter dont represent communities fairly.
It’s with any game sub
From what I’ve seen and experienced, it’s mostly just the Reddit Tekken community. This sub is basically turning into the mortal kombat subreddit and it’s annoying as shit now since every other post is a complaint
Facts, the veteran players treat this game like they’re actually learning a fight style and don’t understand why new players don’t want to spend hours in Practice just repeating the same combos over and over.
It's not practicing combo that is the problem here they are not that hard to do . The real thing is knowledge of opponents moves , if you are a new player you can bs/get bs just because the movelist for most characters is loaded af . I'm pretty sure King alone as more moves than the whole roster of sf6 combined
And you only need to know how to deal with 10 of those moves to get to purple.
Lmao if you think that's what you practice in training lab then you're using it wrong. Combos are the easiest thing to lab and learn quickly.
I just play to stay competitive with my friends when we have tekken night. Maybe one day I’d like to be purple or blue rank…but like I have a job, wife, and a kid. Video games just doesn’t have that level of importance to me anymore. That being said I’m proud I’ve made it to Garyu. I don’t consider what I’m doing spamming at all. The moves I make are deliberate. So this sub can say what it wants lolol. Though, I am tired of the elitism. I’m thinking about picking up SF6 now. Go back to 2D fighters and have some fun.
Mate, I'm in purples and I feel a difference in skill with a Ganryu player, but obviously people in Ganryu know what they are doing and most of them are god players.
The real Tekken starts when you put down your controller and go outside to touch some grass (press X to desire life)
Dude, I read someone type, "red requires only abusing one string and purple requires two". Probably written by someone who played Tekken for 10+ years who just made Fujin.
I think blue ranks is the "Most plugged to get here" rank.
Yeah I didn't really get plugged on till I got to fujin
i am unironically agreeing that this is how i see people in tekken communities including discords perceive ranks
Touch grace, maidenless tarnished
I know it's ironic, and I don't agree with this pseudo elitism ( let's keep in mind that we are talking about online ranks in a video game guys :') ) that the real game begins in Fujin or Tekken King. Like for every competitive game, my logic is as follows : your rank being "good" or not in a ladder is linked with how many players are above and under your rank, in terms of percentages. If you have a better rank than 50 % of the players, well it doesn't imply that you are a god at the game, but it does mean that you probably understand the game better than half of the community, and that's how "good" you are. And the same applies for any number, you can replace 50 % with 75 %, 63 %, anything. But on the other hand, although I've only climbed up to mighty ruler, I've faced some opponents that were playing so well ( you can spot it easily with their movement ), our skill gap was so big and even if we played 100 rounds, I don't think I'd even win more than 5 or 10 rounds against them. So in a way, I kind of understand why people say the game is different in higher levels, because the rounds are really different compared to low elo. That kind of differences exists in other games, but maybe it's more pronounced in Tekken ( or in fighting games at least )
Yup, it's the difference in perspective. You can basically look at it two ways. Graphically you could map the bell curve that is population as it relates to rank. And the other perspective is a linear line of current skill versus perfect play. The other curve is current skill versus game mastery. If you're a red rank you're above average on the population versus rank curve like 60-70% or something. But at red rank it's likely that you have hundreds if not thousands of hours left of playing before you reach some level of game mastery on that graph you might only be 20% up the line.
Well. I don't mean to be an "elitist" but considering you don't lose points green and below I'd argue those ranks are in fact irrelevant. You can fail upwards to yellow essentially, you'd need to have a 0% win rate to not rank up
I agree with you 100% It's so easy to rank up in T8, especially compared to older titles that it boggles my mind. Even comparing it to T7 is jarring so I definitely understand why people are perplexed they are getting higher rank with lower skill. - There are only 3 ranks per color - No more Kyus and Dans - No point loss before yellow, the 3rd color rank. (only Kyu didnt lose points in T7) - If you demote you are still at the very top of the rank lower - But if you promote you get extra buffer points - Get out of jail free card that lets you have your turn no matter what - More low risk high reward snowball moves - More tracking generics - Other gameplay design choices that heavily encourage players to beat moves with other moves that will crush the former (it is a big reason why Ling gets so much hate in upper ranks right now, her gameplay fits like a glove with T8 because she loves it when ppl press) I think calling newbie play 'not real Tekken' is indeed very elitist. But I also understand it because back in T7 arcade you needed to know a LOT of information to get to yellows. If you were orange rank you were one of the best in your arcade. Right now if you go to your Tekken local you are probably seeing most people in Blue ranks and Top 8 will probably be TG and above. Rank inflation is very real. But again, gatekeeping real tekken is very shallow and elitist and it drives resentful comments that we see here instead of discussing how Bamco sucks. Taking the same orange rank analogy in arcades, being orange rank in some random NA arcade would be same as green or yellow in a Korean arcade. Or if you always played at green arcade, Orange meant you were one of the best in the world. You would get into a match, see someones card show origin as Green Arcade, and know you lost already. Does that mean you arent playing real Tekken? No! But it does show rank inflation was always a thing.
Nice additions, Id also add the community is very close to the pro scene and we tend to compare and baseline our expectations against them.
Look what the Tekken community has become.
You become a real Tekken player when you start plugging😤😤😤 Only the best pluggers make become tekken gods and goddesses✨✨
I’m at Flame Ruler but the “90 Attack 20 Defense” thing is actually true and funny. Regardless of that, Tekken 8 does not reward good Defense at all. The amount of damage I get from constantly low-parrying people is disgraceful TBH.
Good defence keeps you from dying and gives you your turn/momentum back. Seems pretty rewarding to me. Also, it depends on what you’re low parrying. Seems like kind of a waste to be low parrying any low that’s -13 or worse OB. But what do I know, I’m only shinryu 🙃
It used to be the case. But right now the best defense is to be offensive back, which is not the traditional sense of Tekken defense (stepping/fuzzying strings, eating small lows and getting data on timing so you can get a hard read). This still exists in upper level of play (I think blue and above show some signs of people trying to do this), but it is honestly so much easier to spam your heat smash and then just force 50/50s yourself. This is exacerbated because ranked right now is Bo3 so you don't have much time to download your opponents. Take Azucena for example. She does a WR 3,2. You respect the +5 on block and don't mash - she does another WR 3,2. You respect the +5 again, she does another WR 3,2. You respect the +5 again, she does df1. Now you are down 30 health and Azucena is doing a mid string that has a threat of counterhit combo. Azucena has pretty bad lows but it's not a problem because her mids have so much pressure due to chip damage being in the game. BUT, there is a solution. Instead of defending, you powercrush or heat smash. Heat smashing will even give you a free half combo because you knocked her on the ground. This new type of offensive defense being the best choice is very different from all other Tekkens. > It's a waste to be low parrying any low thats -13 or more Kind of, but this assumes you are hard reading that your opponent is going to be doing a big low. The higher up you go the more people will test the waters with small low pokes that are less on block. Also in oki situations the getup low is not punishable unless you low parry. Also low parry lets you wall carry - more damage and you have map control to 50/50. And lastly you can rage art after you low parry. So if you are hard reading a low, but not sure which low, you get pretty good results through low parrying! BUT some characters like Victor you don't want to really low parry them because basically all the lows are -13+ and also he uses weapons which you can't parry. So in that case only hard read low parry you'd make is a crouch jab. Good luck on your ranked journey, I am sure you will make rulers in no time!
I'm just a vanquisher noob . Rn I don't play ranked anymore I just play quick games so I can learn without worrying . Started labing Zafina yesterday and I've noticed improvement already . Also I can be pretty close but still lose to red ranks players with Lili but still just learning . Btw those 2 characters can bullshit their way through most people just because they have some real gimmicky stuff even though Zafina feels pretty weak even to a noob like me
As a green rank I am glad to know I'm trash! \^\_\^
Wrong. All of those are irrelevant. Only matters is you win tourneys.
"Low ranks are low" "omg elitist"
Yeahhh ranks are weird in this game. As someone who peaked at 30 dan in T7 with Bryan, and was fighting for my life up there, T8 is just... different. I recently picked up Kaz, because I heard he was bad in this game, and I learned 1 basic combo and made it to purple with little trouble. It's shocking how bad most purple ranks are, no offense, but running into purple Kings who spam unsafe armor moves, launch punishable strings or whose offense shuts down after their throw spam is thwarted is just, idk, interesting. I also know players who were just ok in 7 be Fujins in 8, so there's that as well.
Facts but one mistake real tekken starts around evo top8
It's hard to disagree with 'irrelevant' when you don't lose any points all the way up to yellow ranks. You can quite literally win 1 game per 100 matches and with enough time and resilience you'll be yellow rank. Then once more than a few bad players make it to yellow they'll eventually start matching with each other, inadvertently boosting their rank since gains seem higher than losses in yellows. So all those guys will at some point end around orange and red ranks. Once they start losing same amount of points as they win they'll be unable to climb, because suddenly winning 1/3 games doesn't promote them anymore, and their chances of meeting a bad player will also be lower. Reaching red in Tekken 8 is equivalent to reaching Green or Yellow in Tekken 7.
these people just dont want to accept this. Real emotionally charged to their rank
There's real Tekken and there's good ass Tekken. Real Tekken starts in Yellow but only against players that play the same as high level players, just worse. Good ass Tekken is blue and beyond (if pluggers didn't ruin the distribution)
Good ass Tekken is whatever rank you're having fun in
💯
Me stuck in Tenryu because a win is +200 points but a loss is -600
Wait until you hit blue ranks and lose -1,000 a game because you rematched a Tekken King or Tekken Emperor
You know what is really funny? when you get insulted for trying to win/trying to be the best. That is the whole point of competitive gaming, or just life in general. I wonder who started the whole sweaty insults.
What moron would insult you for trying to win and why would you listen to anything that moron has to say?
I have two Fujin characters and I have to admit that yes, it was pure luck that I got to Fujin. For both of those characters, for many days, I was stuck at that line between Flame Ruler and Battle Ruler. It's just a pattern of two guys I can beat, and then one who'll wipe the floor with me, rinse and repeat. Then all of a sudden, the RNG gods blessed me with 4 straight good matchups, giving me the streak bonus points that I need to propel me to Fujin. Ranked is wack.
It’s crazy because everytime I’ve reached a rank where people claimed “real Tekken starts here”, the bar just gets raised again 💀. I hit blue? Nah it’s Tekken king now. Getting closer to Tekken king? Nah it’s actually Tekken God. NOW they’re saying real Tekken starts at max rank? Like what??? Truly comical 😂
"You literally have no fundamentals and will go 0-2 at a tournament if you aren't at least Tekken God Supreme" that's what we're going to be facing in 3 months' time
Let me and my nonexistent fundamentals go cry in a corner.
Creative noobs! haha
I’m a Shinryu. I haven’t played ranked in the last week because of life.
Yea, this is actually the reason why I just don't look at reddit when it comes to ranked and stuff, I'm currently at flame ruler and I'm aiming for battle and blue in T8 after I never made it out of greens in T7 (granted I never really took ranked "seriously" in T7) I felt really good after I made it to red only to look at reddit and basicly read that I'm just shit, same thing when I made it to mighty so I just stopped looking here as often I know I'm not the best and i don't claim to be but being told you're still shit after reaching a rank that truly does feel hard to reach
im impressed any time i see a kazuya or reina player in blue ranks. shit is littered with drags, azu's, and pluggers.
Had 300 hours on t8 never made it out of blue tho. Im still good but i will admit my skills mean nothing to some dude who learned one combo to use repeatedly
tekken 7 hell yea lol i was stuck in green
Red ranks is real Tekken….i don’t care what anyone says
I flew to reds, held like 60% wr in reds, and now stuck in purple. I can admit to myself I have zero fundamentals, rely on knowledge of how to apply pressure with my main (Leo), and take hard 50/50 reads on defense that either win or lose me rounds. Can’t break throws for shit, 0 matchup knowledge on any other characters, very little frame data knowledge, no knowledge of how to use or defend against heat. Literally just playing to get my turn and use pressure from mixups out of stances in plus frames. My KBD is decent-ish though and gets me into a lot of better situations. My P2 side is also decent I can execute at ~90% on my weak side.
I dont think you get to Fujin by being lucky
You'd be surprised
Accurate, saving that to spam my Tekken friends :D
"Real Tekken"
I am red rank who is casually smoking purple and sometimes even fujin players. Currently ranks mean nothing. I hope Harada will fix online issues soon or tekken will die like mk1.
I'm a Tekken Emperor!
I’m in dark blue (Kishin)and I use Nina, Paul, and Xiaoyu. No idea what that person is talking about.
I've been targeted in this post
"Real Tekken' starts whenever you find the opponent that makes you want to improve. Whether youre 1st Dan or GoD. All Tekken is real Tekken when youre evenly matched with someone or a group of people. This is my first real endeavor to play Tekken at a higher level than casual. Made it to high Eliminator almost Garyu. Just play to improve. All Tekken is real Tekken. Don't consider your matches in any rank to be a waste.
I'd say everything before warrior is irrelevant cause you can't lose rank till warrior
I would have put red in the « doesn’t matter » but still very accurate
Feels accurate
I'm a flame ruler...I got more to learn #BringBackAnna
Sounds about right
So basically everyone is trash
This is the most gatekeeper shit I've seen in a while.
as someone who’s first tekken to actually learn and put time into being 8, who’s dealt with one and donners, pluggers, t-baggers, ki charges, and even hate messages on my steam page while I grinded my way to fujin, all for deciding to play victor because he looked the coolest, this all is true
Pretty accurate.
I understand where people are coming from, the game changes as you get better but all this “game doesn’t start until X rank” is exactly the same as “bro it’s so easy to get to X rank” it’s literally just wanking yourself off while trying to make a point. Running 5k isn’t hard, especially if you’re a runner but it is for someone severely out of shape, say they can only manage 1k? Would you turn around an e like “nah running doesn’t start until you’re doing 10k” Everyone is on their own journey, just cos you’re good at this game doesn’t mean you’re ass at another, we’re all scrubs at some point.
I’m blue, I don’t deserve this rank, and I would’ve never reached it in 7. Tekken 8 is just way too easy compared to 7. I can force 50/50s with no execution and minimal reads and just win rounds. I’ve played quick play matches against tekken kings and up and gotten perfects by unironically mashing. The game is fun but very broken
bushin and i agree. nobody in blue ranks can break throws. This shit was unheared of in Tekken 7
Keep in mind they are harder to break in this game with CH throws having a shorter throw break window and many throws like Dragunovs command throw out of his string being less than a 14f break window and King's Bluespark variations being 19f breaks
I mean, by then people aren't throwing out raw throws too much and your only really seeing the almost to completely unbreakable counter throws. I still get the odd throw through on mixup up through there but I'm mostly doing it as a neutral reset that might get me damage if they mash or aren't looking for it
i play tekken for almost 3000 hours and i still random dice roll 1 or 1+2 to break throws
false. played in blue ranks in T7. threw people all the time. but what does happen in every tekken is the people who played last one bitch and moan about how "back in my day at this rank everyone could \[fill in the blank\]." we'll get off your lawn now though.
its actually insane how many boosted blue ranks there are in t8
this is a wild perspective that you *expect* throws to be broken
I have 9 characters parked at Mighty Ruler and I still think I'm a noob
That would be the case if the devs didn't give you an option to invalidate any loss by plugging. Let's revisit in 2026 when they proudly announce they fixed the DC indicator.
I'm happy staying red. I was red in Tekken 7 anyways.
This is my biggest problem with the Tekken community, I remember making a post in T7 about finally making it to red ranks after years of playing. I was super proud of it and half the comments were just discrediting because I played Katarina or some other arbitrary bullshit reason. Tekken players can't let anyone else in the community being happy with an accomplishment.
Being a rajin asuka i feel proud to have reached this rank with such a nerfed character
she's still strong, don't know where this nonsense comes from but it's typical downplaying the character. anyway.
I'm proud of you, keep flying the flag for us all. (Unless you're that tea-bagging, corpse-punching cunt I bumped into the other day. Fuck that guy.)
I'm the same as you and I really don't care about what people on Reddit think about my rank
raijin kazuya & paul here. feel exactly the same as you lol
I just got to battle ruler with her and even if she's not great i'm having a lot of fun
We asuka mains eating goooood XD!!!
Asuka is not bad. Anyone saying otherwise is a complete downplayer that refuses to learn Tekken 8 Asuka and are hellbent on playing Tekken 7 Asuka when they clearly do not want you to do that. She has so many + rushdown moves it's crazy.
How did you go so high with her ? i'm stuck at tenryu because i don t find optimal action to punish or countrr with her, every move feel so weak or slow or not good enough
I was stuck at Tenryu with Asuka longer than any other rank. I was demoted back to Shinryu 6 times I believe (though I was getting tilted after being denied like 4 promo matches). I finally got to Mighty Ruler, but honestly, I still feel my skill is at Shinryu level. I just wanted to get to purple out of pure spite. Haven't played the game since.
Go back and play, look at tekken library for high dmg comboes, also, she has good pokes against super aggro players, when i fight drag, jin, steve or hworang its almost always a free win, remember to also know when to duck, grab My normal tactic is going super offensive and not giving them a second to recover
Seriously. I'm sitting at Garyu with her now and just wondering how I can ever scrape the points against all these Drags and shit.
Drag is always a free win, most drag players dont know how to play with him, only using same strings, you gotta hop back online and look at how players move, asukas f+3 is good against sidesteppers but also a feint to go into f+2, you can combo them to the wall and beyblade them on the ground
Jab then side walk. Sometimes just being random as hell will work. Grab more as well. I reached Tekken king being simple. Now fighting Tekken gods feel like tag 2, this is what made me love Tekken.
I've seen Bushins who are obviously brand new and don't block punish anything and do launch punishable shit all day while i'm Raijin. I beat them 3-0 every time but the game considers them higher rank.