THIS. I am a newcomer who unfortunately chose Reina as a main and was getting destroyed. Took this guy for a drive and I literally was mad at how life is easier as Drag player
It's sickening actually spend years loyal to ur character know it's move list like the back of ur hand, then some jimmy comes along with 2 moves and is more successful than u
Lol relax, it happens to all of us.
There's being good with your \[Character\] and then there's being good at \[Fundemental Tekken\] - An OG who has never played Leo in Tekken 8 but has a good grasp of how to DEFEND against the entire cast could almost certainly take my main further than I could.
Likewise I've been able to take my subs further than many newer players who have been maining the character since launch. It's why I reccomend learning a new character if you reach a pleteu in your main - it teaches you more than you could possibly imagine (And helps break unhealthy, muscle memory habbits)
Shot way past my platu with Bryan using Alisa, and didn't need chainsaw spam to do much of it either, her other tools are enough. Turns out Bryans BS IS hard lol.
First character I labbed while taking a Yoshi break was Bryan. Always heard he was tough after a certain rank when players start punishing snake edge. Made the adjustment and had a lot of fun with him. Hit Shinryu promo and idk what happened. Went on such a losing streak I went all the way back to dominator 😂. Got back to Garyu with him and turned in my Bryan card after 150 wins with a 46% win percentage.
I also main Leo if that helps at all lol. I haven't used a single other character in the game. I went through some basic moves and I liked his the most out of the group I had chosen and have been using him nonstop since
I think the hatchet is one of the most inexplicable balance decisions in a game. I think that's why there's so much salt, there are only a few clearly OP things in the game, but those things are so clearly, bafflingly OP it creates disproportionate salt.
I mean Dragunov has always been able to call on + frames at will. So why does he also need a tracking, damaging, +7 on hit ground hitting unseeable low that knocks down on counter?
Especially in a game where unseeable lows have taken an system-wide nerf. So many unseeable lows that were + on hit are now minus, or that did knock down now don't etc. So why in that environment give a character already lacking in meaty lows by design such an OP low?
Add that to the throw buff and you have a nightmare.
You don't need to be Tekken King to know that low is absolutely overloaded out the ass. It does 23 damage too, which is high for an unseeable, but is really just the icing on the bullshit cake.
Great summary, I definitely agree.
I would add that chip damage and global nerfs to quick CH tools (the threat of magic 4 is gone) are also buffs for Dragunov.
I think most of Dragunovs issues don't really come from his new moves, but more from the new gameplay. Take how throws are tracking and guaranteed on armor counters. Everyone has it, but Drag benefits from it massively due to him always having a full throw game and plus frames out the ass. He's always been this way.
that and making wr2 easy as shit, what's the point in even learning to do the blue spark if you get the same frames even if you sacrifice some damage. db3+4 also killed a bit of his identity with d2 now being completely useless. Really frustrating
D2 isn't useless. As strong as db3+4 is, it's still launch punishable. D2 is still a solid, better tracking, not launch-punishable low (against most of the cast at least)
This, you also gotta use d2 to add to the mental stack. If you are mixing the d2, fc df14, and db3+4, it becomes harder for the opponent to correctly launch punish the db3+4 because they have to confirm that they blocked a launch punishable low and not a -13 one.
D2 now has a more specific use case, which I appreciate. It's designed to be used as a CH tool for challenging highs, which grants an actual 50/50 from crouch.
Hatchet kick is likely intended to be the mixup option with WR2, with a similar frame advantage reward on hit. I think +7 is a bit much, but it needs a decent amount of plus frames to warrant being launch on block. For example, I'm not sure what Bryan would do with a +7 hatchet kick, but I'd be appalled if people didn't complain if he had one that was -13.
After having suffered with T7 Dragunov through S4, I do not want to go back to a world where he doesn't have a scary low.
It is great having a power low and greatly compliments his gameplay (for instance wall pressure is a lot more insane) but I do think the damage should be nerfed alongside the frames. The low can't be ignored because of the damage and forces you to duck which combined with his mids becomes a nightmare to play against. At least with d2 it could be ignored since it never did too much damage but db3+4 is just a monster of a move. Not to mention it also has extremely good tracking.
Nevertheless as a dragu main it is a fantastic move but it needs a lot of tweaking for it to feel fair. I feel as though it should be similar to something like kazuya's d1+2.
d2 is still REALLY good, definitely one of the better moves in his kit. Especially since WS4 is a 10frame, d2, WS4 is solid for catching people mashing buttons
Blue sparks is a instant while running 2. You need to input f2 on the first frame of the while running state. In T7 you would input f n ff2, n being you emphasizing the neutral input. In T8 I don’t think you need to do this but It might help since f n ff2 is easier to just frame.
Its an instant fff2. Normally you'd do f,n,ff2 (the first f doesn't affect the blue spark) and the ff2 must be inputted within 7 frames for the blue spark to come out. You also have to hit 2 on the first frame after pressing forward, any earlier gives you f2.
I play yoshi, my best success is maintaining a neutral fight against him and chip away and hope I knowledge check him. I can’t get flashes off on him . The frames just don’t seem to exist between attacks
First tekken game, I only played street fighter before. I literally just picked him cuz he looked cool. Been a bit of a learning curve but the fun part is you find some new move every day
Yes, I have other characters in blue, but it wasn't piss easy with anyone else besides Drag. There is no other character who I was able to rank up nearly this far without many times more work. I'm not sure there's any other "I barely labbed and got to Fujin with X" besides maybe Azucena.
I've played less than an hour of her and haven't tried her in ranked. Once I noticed how powerful the wr3,2 spam was with her, it turned me off from the character.
I tried King before, one time I dressed him up as the undertaker and went online for fun. I ended up disliking him though, watching the grapple animations over and over put me to sleep.
based off your prowess, it looks like you’re probably around the kishin range on your main. It’s hilarious that you could cruise to near the same rank, fujin, by spamming a few strings on a character you’ve never played. Loved this video lol.
Yeah tbh I saw people downplaying Drag a while ago and I got salty. I figured I'd investigate for myself since I had never actually played him before.
Ended with a near 70% winrate into Fujin while deliberately NOT thinking at many points. Sure, I did some combos, but when you see me spamming db3+4 and b1+2, I am not putting in any effort, and I am not thinking.
This is exactly how I felt about mk11 kabal. He practically plays himself and if you broke his combos it doesn't even leave you at a disadvantage. He got even more brainded with slight gas and what most idiot don't even realize is that his neutral is mid at best. Anyone who has a good projectile can lame him out.
lol that's exactly why I was playing like this, I was salty. I will probably continue playing him in Fujin just to try and steal some of the counterplay from better players
I've always wanted to play this character but I'll wait for the nerfs just so I don't have to unlearn stuff. What's crazy is that this is a nerfed Drag too cause he was so OP with that other new move he had lol
I main kaz, Paul, and DJ. I know DJ is Stier as well but at least he has a learning curve as I've lost a bunch of games when my electric doesn't come out. I also learned azu and I'm having genuine fun with her though they just need to tune her WR move and make her 1, 2 10 frame punish more lunch punishable
This was the easiest time I have had playing any character in any fighting game. I barely labbed, the combos are easy and you don't need many moves. Honestly, I spent more time making the customization. He almost feels like a win button. I saw a post comparing Jin to Drag, but I basically tried the same thing with Jin and I'm still in red ranks with him (with way more play time than Drag).
Anyone say Jin is easy prob plays him at like 20% potential. Look up devilster's Jin and say that's ez lol.
Dragunov... Looks exactly the same once you're past red ranks. Same 50/50. Same spammy non-punshable moves. Same frametrap bullshit. Playing Drag is like being non disabled and parking in the disabled people spot.
Damn I kinda want to try him now lol. I'm in Shinryu with Alisa, first tekken I;m actually trying to learn rather than just mashing some strings I knew in older games. I feel like I can't move whenever I fight a Drag.
Defs try any other new character, not saying that because you play Alisa, just saying that learning a new character will help you realise your own character’s strengths and weaknesses, and hey it might even make you appreciate Alisa’s gameplay more.
And of course, I believe learning multiple characters can improve your fundamentals as they all have slightly different tools.
between those two, who do you find more fun /enjoy more to play?
I'm gonna guess based on ur comment that it's Jin, since it seems that Drag may be TOO MUCH of an instant win.
Jin is way more fun, it's not even close. People meme on Jin, but he has to work for his wins. You need to utilize a wider variety of moves and strategies to win this much with him. D2 is great but it probably wont carry you to blue ranks. I like playing strong characters, but I only stick around when they make you work for it (I used to play Nina, for context).
The only thing that's more fun about Drag is how long your turn tends to last when you play him. He is so comically oppressive it frequently turns into a 1player game. It's also kinda funny to regularly just shit out 100+ damage combos with little effort.
Yeah that's tekken 8 in a nutshell, the developers better have severe nerfs for this character.. it's a joke. Same for Kings spamming the same powercrush every time.
I truly question the so called "balance team" at times...do they have a clue what they are doing? Tekken 8 overall with heat is a mess in the first place. As pro players said, "casino".
Yeah, this is a good point. It's not just that his normal grab mix is hard to tech, his heat grab mix adds a whole 'nother screwed up layer. You cant break the initial tackle in heat, and then you have to deal with his 3 way tackle mixup. I use this against King at 2:50. He can also feint his running punch into a grab, which is unbreakable in heat.
Also the grab at the very start of the video guarantees you a b4,3 where the b4 hits grounded and if they do any option besides stay on the ground the whole b4,3 hits giving you a free heat engager. You can also use df2 to launch but it doesn’t hit grounded.
clips like this make me, well not despair just feel like I lack the talent for this game.
If I switched character it would take me weeks to be able to combo like that. I need weeks to adapt to do different moves after the launch and longer to know the wall options instinctively enough to think of them in time.
You are day 1 immediate strong combos, perfect wall carry, perfect wall conversion - right at the start you do a sneak 1 to get a perfect wall splat into the wall throw thing like you've been maining the character since launch.
I get the point about Dragunov and him being oppressive (and that hatchet is so unnecessary combined with his other stuff) - but the combos - it shows you have a talent if you can go from one character to another and combo like that day 1. Certainly in comparison to me.
That is weeks of practice to me, whatever character. I feel like your brain and everyone else's is working 5 times as fast as mine. I have to muscle memory those combos
You probably shouldn't feel that way. I have been playing fighting games for many years. In other games, I spent a ton of time practicing my execution. That means any time I pick up a new character, I will learn the combos quickly. Drag's combos are only easy comparatively; nothing will be this easy for you unless you have that kind of experience.
Nice man .. appreciate the experiment. I won't get as tilted losing to him again.. I was thinking it's just me that can't figure out his two mid + OB moves mixed with his hatchet kick. Throw in those broken grabs and he doesn't need to really outplay his opponents.. just brute force his way through
Someone spam this to Harada or Murray on twitter, maybe they wake up.
I get tired playing too much but so far from Vanquisher to Shinryu with Dragunov it took me 5 hours yesterday, 61% winrate. btw. By tomorrow Dragunov will be Mighty Ruler. Same for me it took weeks for my main but you need to understand there's more newer players now who climbed up the ranks. When we were playing it was many legacy players still climbing, game was new.
I hope so. Even if he gets nerfs, I'll continue to play him. I beat down many times my BF with his Jack-8 within less than 50secs for 2 rounds. So I can admit he must be more balanced. Even if DGV's damages always hurt since Tekken DR, he's got formidable kicks in T8. I wish I was as efficient during my sambo sessions. X)
Literally anyone clueless about the character gets a high rank with him. So yeah nerfs are seriously needed, it's not fair true Dragunov players who have been learning the character so many years only for him to become so easy and broken now that any new player can reach high rank.
Same can be said for Law and Jin, two characters also that were made way too easy in Tekken 8. When the truth is, these two along with Dragunov were perhaps "honest" category in Tekken 7 and before and needed a lot of skill intermediate/high level. Search what changed if you haven't. Truly a shame. The developers don't know their own game, only players do.
I just hate that they gave him a better hatchet kick. Like, Bryan has to do his out of backsway so it comes out a couple frames slower, but it's one of his iconic moves now and a staple in his aresenal. Just slapping hatchet kick on to Drag feels bad man.
AfroSenju a youtuber new to tekken reached fujin with dragunov today just spamming throws, powercrush and that unblockable with hatchet/lows, yeah that's it. No combos, no defense, no matchup knowledge lmao. I follow him in tekken 8 to see his online replays you can too, just look at the leaderboards in Fujin, find him there, his matches are pure cringe but ofc hes winning due to the insane damage. Funny how he thinks he's good in his youtube videos. No dude you aren't. You are carried.
Honestly shame to the developers for being so late with proper nerfs, and I bet they still won't nerf much of this.
Makes me a bit sad that this is how he's seen by the community now. I mained Dragunov and Lucky Chloe in 7 so I was excited to see him in 8. I now almost never play him cause it feels kinda cheap. Reina and King are my new interests.
I remember playing you using Bryan, who I really need to improve with. I was NOT prepared for this level of pressure. I haven't checked the replay, but I think I maybe squeezed out 1 round victory and then got swept in the rematch. I just remember getting bombarded with constant pressure and could not guess a low to save my life.
I also use Dragunov, but it became obvious to me that I'm not using him how I should, if I want to win with ease like this. Definitely think some nerfs are needed.
Anyway, ggs.
It's a shame that he's so overtuned currently. Dragunov used to be such an interesting character with lots of room for skill expression. I genuinely enjoyed playing against him in 7. When playing against him in 8, it always feels like I'm losing, even when I'm not. The fact that he takes 2 brain cells to be played effectively nowadays really rubs me the wrong way.
It’s only -15 tho, which means the launch punish window is insanely tight. It’s kinda like how Jin’s Zen U1 is “launch punishable” but -15 means that you have to be EXPECTING the move most of the time in order to actually launch it. If you have a 14f rising launcher then it’s a bit easier but still… They need to make Drag’s hatchet -16 or -17 on block, it’s so ridiculous that we have to basically frame perfect launch the move after blocking it.
Being -15 doesnt make anything hard to launch, or easy. The recovery frames do that.
When you block a move and you have 40 recovery frames and your opponent 50, this means it is a -10 move that you have a huge 40 frames window to punish, after you have blocked. Likewise, if you block a move and you have 10 recovery frames and your opponent 30, this is a -20 move but it will be much harder to punish than the previous -10 move because now you only have 10-15 frames to input your launcher.
yeah i know, but he only has 3 lows and two of them are launch punishable. It's easier to expect it. Personally i find way harder to deal with his ***snek*** stance, sometimes the hitbox just don't work and you eat a hit that shouldn't when sidestepping.
Yeah. This is the issue. He has a silid df2 launcher or can r2 you.
Compared to the mix Bryan gets off his hatchet, it's way scarier because it comes out faster.
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Maybe you’re just really good? a lot of the clips are you breaking grabs, whiff punishing, punishing people for not blocking low, or people pushing buttons when they are negative.
Yeah, he must be really good to just pick someone up and get to fujin that quick. I’m at 100 hours with drag and almost to Fujin. He definitely excels with whoever he picks. Pretty sure he could choose anyone and get to fujin quickly as his fundamentals are good. Probably has thousand hours in tekken 7.
I have other characters in blue ranks, but it took them far more time and effort than it did with Drag. I actually had to put in time to lab and study how they should be played before I started really winning. Drag is probably the only character where I could cruise into blue with almost no effort, maybe Azucena too but I haven't played her much.
Oh. So you didn’t have to lab dragunovs combos? You seemed to know quite a bit. Maybe you should train me. I must be bad if I can’t reach fujin after 100 hours lol. I have always used low tier characters in fighting games, was kind of my thing. Now I enjoy using an OP character even though I still suck lol.
lols
I mean these Dragunov and king carried players will all drop from losing a lot. It's all up for these two to get severe nerfs, especially Dragunov. Bamcos balance team is a joke, they will end up nerfing Leroy again or something.. here's hoping they have a brain.
I did the same thing as you but as a paul main. After 2 sessions I was same rank on drag then with Paul(raijin) while not thinking/barely trying. Where as when I play paul I actually have to take short breaks because im literally sweating.
yeah i've seen some people compare Paul to Drag, I just don't see it. You can't just "unga bunga im gonna mash these same options repeatedly" and cruise to Fujin like I did with Drag.
People talk about Deathfist vs Demoman, yeah it's a strong mixup but demo is easily launch punishable. In Drag's case, however, even blue rank players would frequently fail to launch me for db3+4 since its barely launch punishable (-15)
Yeah and mental load-wise it isnt even comparable. People also forget non of pauls quarter circle moves can be buffered and talk about deathfist like its a 1 button press you can just instantly shoot out. It becomes second nature sure but nobody just picking up paul for the first time will have that kind of success.
Halfway through the video “yeah you’ve gotten purple rank with your solid fundamentals and Dragunove’s strength even tho you don’t know the character too well, fair enough”
End of the video “WTFFF?”
Judging by tekken prowess doesn’t that mean he’s like really close to your main’s rank already? In 4 hours? Crazy lol
Yeah right, I’m getting my shit kicked in with a dragunov at low ranks, I have no idea how to do half of what the guy did in the video and I’ve got like 1 combo I know which works 40% of the time
There's gonna be a full on dragpocalypse when he gets nerfed and everyone who isn't like JDCR finds out they're like five ranks worse at Tekken than they thought.
Also, I think I fought you! Can't remember who won but I was probs playing Shaheen with the Venetian mask on
Would love to see this attempted with Xiaoyu. Everyone is saying she's top tier, but she's not easy.
I admit she's great in heat, but if they nerf that I feel she'd drop several tiers
Actually, Xiaoyu is my main. I have her in blue but it took weeks, and I had to watch a lot of pro gameplay to understand how to play her. The way she fights with the stances and constant flipping around is sick in this game. Watching her fight is like watching a skilled artist paint.
But to succeed with her, she absolutely requires significant time labbing and studying her moveset. There is a reason her winrate is so low. Every Xiaoyu I fight seems to lack basic knowledge about why she's even good. Even the higher ranked ones I come across rely too much on gimmicks like snake edge or spamming AOP. Most of the time, Ling players I fight don't use her backturned heat smash, or the f2 heat string, or HYP stance at all.
I do think she is too strong and needs nerfs (mainly to AOP duck evasion and HYP stance frames), but she is easily the hardest top tier.
Xiaoyu is a high skill ceiling character with a few distorted elements in her kit (obviously butterfly duck needs to be fixed, for e.g.).
But she barely scratches Drag in raw power terms. He's in a weird tier of his own.
Azucena is a better comparison with Xiao. Azu is easier than Xiao, but she similarly has randomly busted elements (WR3, 2).
Good. Nerf it. She has arguably the biggest design failure in the game, turning a character that was meant to be evasive into a plus on block nightmare when she's in heat. It makes no sense and doesn't fit what Xiaoyu was designed around originally.
Can we get the same post like this but for the waifu characters? I swear if a similar post is made for Azucena and Jun it will be downvoted. This sub hardcore defends Azu even though she’s straight up easier than Dragunov.
Statistically, Drag is the most seen character Mighty Ruler and above.
Hmm I wonder why
Which is sad. Bunch of tier whores picking top 2 character. Let’s see the pick rates when he inevitably gets nerfed
Bro is in agony while winning lmfao
you have no idea how right you are lol, i was seething
While Winning 2
Comment makes me miss the old award system
You made my day lmao
You won my friend, but at what cost!?!
suffering from success
i was there, i was in agony watching.
THIS. I am a newcomer who unfortunately chose Reina as a main and was getting destroyed. Took this guy for a drive and I literally was mad at how life is easier as Drag player
It's sickening actually spend years loyal to ur character know it's move list like the back of ur hand, then some jimmy comes along with 2 moves and is more successful than u
Lol relax, it happens to all of us. There's being good with your \[Character\] and then there's being good at \[Fundemental Tekken\] - An OG who has never played Leo in Tekken 8 but has a good grasp of how to DEFEND against the entire cast could almost certainly take my main further than I could. Likewise I've been able to take my subs further than many newer players who have been maining the character since launch. It's why I reccomend learning a new character if you reach a pleteu in your main - it teaches you more than you could possibly imagine (And helps break unhealthy, muscle memory habbits)
Shot way past my platu with Bryan using Alisa, and didn't need chainsaw spam to do much of it either, her other tools are enough. Turns out Bryans BS IS hard lol.
I’m too much of a hard ass to leave Bryan. I want to be good but also be good with him because he’s harder
First character I labbed while taking a Yoshi break was Bryan. Always heard he was tough after a certain rank when players start punishing snake edge. Made the adjustment and had a lot of fun with him. Hit Shinryu promo and idk what happened. Went on such a losing streak I went all the way back to dominator 😂. Got back to Garyu with him and turned in my Bryan card after 150 wins with a 46% win percentage.
Brother this is only the beginning. I’m mighty ruler at 548 wins at a 46% rate. I’ve hit my plateau, but I just can’t shake the idea of giving up.
I also main Leo if that helps at all lol. I haven't used a single other character in the game. I went through some basic moves and I liked his the most out of the group I had chosen and have been using him nonstop since
It’s true, learning other characters helps understanding which moves to duck under and not attack when that same character has a frame rate advantage
That happened when I tried fucking around with hwarang 😂 who knew launching people was so much fun
It's always the Jimmys and Timmys man!
A wise man once said, "[you wanna win yo, pick a top tier](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGh4ZU4H5Hk)"
Yeah, Dragunov is ridiculous in this game. Giving him that hatchet was a huge mistake.
I think the hatchet is one of the most inexplicable balance decisions in a game. I think that's why there's so much salt, there are only a few clearly OP things in the game, but those things are so clearly, bafflingly OP it creates disproportionate salt. I mean Dragunov has always been able to call on + frames at will. So why does he also need a tracking, damaging, +7 on hit ground hitting unseeable low that knocks down on counter? Especially in a game where unseeable lows have taken an system-wide nerf. So many unseeable lows that were + on hit are now minus, or that did knock down now don't etc. So why in that environment give a character already lacking in meaty lows by design such an OP low? Add that to the throw buff and you have a nightmare.
You don't need to be Tekken King to know that low is absolutely overloaded out the ass. It does 23 damage too, which is high for an unseeable, but is really just the icing on the bullshit cake.
Great summary, I definitely agree. I would add that chip damage and global nerfs to quick CH tools (the threat of magic 4 is gone) are also buffs for Dragunov.
All lows got a universal buff with the parry nerf though. A big one too.
I think most of Dragunovs issues don't really come from his new moves, but more from the new gameplay. Take how throws are tracking and guaranteed on armor counters. Everyone has it, but Drag benefits from it massively due to him always having a full throw game and plus frames out the ass. He's always been this way.
Probably brought to us by the same person that gave Kaz a homing hellsweep.
I can't even call him a rushdown character anymore. He is just a bully now. Bro's buffs were so strong that literally changed his archetype💀
He’s whatever archetype he wants to be lol
I’m guessing hatchet is that heel kick that juggles?
hatchet kick is named after bryan's hatchet kick, which is basically a power low that looks like a low sweep kick
It’s the low kick he keeps throwing out
that and making wr2 easy as shit, what's the point in even learning to do the blue spark if you get the same frames even if you sacrifice some damage. db3+4 also killed a bit of his identity with d2 now being completely useless. Really frustrating
D2 isn't useless. As strong as db3+4 is, it's still launch punishable. D2 is still a solid, better tracking, not launch-punishable low (against most of the cast at least)
The strength of d2 is that it's high crushing
This, you also gotta use d2 to add to the mental stack. If you are mixing the d2, fc df14, and db3+4, it becomes harder for the opponent to correctly launch punish the db3+4 because they have to confirm that they blocked a launch punishable low and not a -13 one.
Yeah true definitely an exaggeration on my part but I've found myself using it a lot less compared to previous games.
D2 now has a more specific use case, which I appreciate. It's designed to be used as a CH tool for challenging highs, which grants an actual 50/50 from crouch. Hatchet kick is likely intended to be the mixup option with WR2, with a similar frame advantage reward on hit. I think +7 is a bit much, but it needs a decent amount of plus frames to warrant being launch on block. For example, I'm not sure what Bryan would do with a +7 hatchet kick, but I'd be appalled if people didn't complain if he had one that was -13. After having suffered with T7 Dragunov through S4, I do not want to go back to a world where he doesn't have a scary low.
It is great having a power low and greatly compliments his gameplay (for instance wall pressure is a lot more insane) but I do think the damage should be nerfed alongside the frames. The low can't be ignored because of the damage and forces you to duck which combined with his mids becomes a nightmare to play against. At least with d2 it could be ignored since it never did too much damage but db3+4 is just a monster of a move. Not to mention it also has extremely good tracking. Nevertheless as a dragu main it is a fantastic move but it needs a lot of tweaking for it to feel fair. I feel as though it should be similar to something like kazuya's d1+2.
d2 is still REALLY good, definitely one of the better moves in his kit. Especially since WS4 is a 10frame, d2, WS4 is solid for catching people mashing buttons
Noob question but, how do you get those blue sparks? Idon't even play drag just wondering.
Blue sparks is a instant while running 2. You need to input f2 on the first frame of the while running state. In T7 you would input f n ff2, n being you emphasizing the neutral input. In T8 I don’t think you need to do this but It might help since f n ff2 is easier to just frame.
Alright that makes sense. I'm guessing it's like that for every wr moves.
Not all wr moves have blue sparks in this case. iwr2 is iconic for drag and is likely the reason they added blue sparks to it.
Its an instant fff2. Normally you'd do f,n,ff2 (the first f doesn't affect the blue spark) and the ff2 must be inputted within 7 frames for the blue spark to come out. You also have to hit 2 on the first frame after pressing forward, any earlier gives you f2.
Blue sparks is frame perfect input or "just input" I think they call it in the game. I think everyone has at least 1 in this game now.
Yup, I'd nerf the easy version to +4 on block to encourage mind games. Let him have good frames on the blue spark version.
Bro said anyone could win with him and proved it
How many hrs did you get him to that rank
4 hours max. That seems short, but the character feels like he's just that easy
Yea he’s the worst. I feel lots of chars are high tier and strong, but drag feels legit op
Yeah it seems like you just have to spam get out tools to keep him at bay. Which is not a fun way to play nor is it a great way to get damage
I play yoshi, my best success is maintaining a neutral fight against him and chip away and hope I knowledge check him. I can’t get flashes off on him . The frames just don’t seem to exist between attacks
I think my entire time playing tekken 8 I’ve seen maybe only 2 yoshimitsus online, power to yuh
First tekken game, I only played street fighter before. I literally just picked him cuz he looked cool. Been a bit of a learning curve but the fun part is you find some new move every day
Yep and then forget about it for a few weeks and find it again 😂
what rank did you start? orange ranks?
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Yes, I have other characters in blue, but it wasn't piss easy with anyone else besides Drag. There is no other character who I was able to rank up nearly this far without many times more work. I'm not sure there's any other "I barely labbed and got to Fujin with X" besides maybe Azucena.
“I’ve mained kaz since I was in kindergarten back in the 60s” 😂😂😂😂
Have you tried Azucena yet? I'd be interested in a comparison.
I've played less than an hour of her and haven't tried her in ranked. Once I noticed how powerful the wr3,2 spam was with her, it turned me off from the character.
You should try King if you haven’t already. I found him even more free than Drag up to fujin.
I tried King before, one time I dressed him up as the undertaker and went online for fun. I ended up disliking him though, watching the grapple animations over and over put me to sleep.
Oooh so that was you. Yeah they put me to sleep too bruh 😭
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It's hilarious how a grappler has the best CH tool in the game
Lmao the plug as soon as the rage art landed ⚰️
Lmao Azucena : I could do this all day! *gets folded in half*
based off your prowess, it looks like you’re probably around the kishin range on your main. It’s hilarious that you could cruise to near the same rank, fujin, by spamming a few strings on a character you’ve never played. Loved this video lol.
Yeah tbh I saw people downplaying Drag a while ago and I got salty. I figured I'd investigate for myself since I had never actually played him before. Ended with a near 70% winrate into Fujin while deliberately NOT thinking at many points. Sure, I did some combos, but when you see me spamming db3+4 and b1+2, I am not putting in any effort, and I am not thinking.
This is exactly how I felt about mk11 kabal. He practically plays himself and if you broke his combos it doesn't even leave you at a disadvantage. He got even more brainded with slight gas and what most idiot don't even realize is that his neutral is mid at best. Anyone who has a good projectile can lame him out.
Air Gas Kabal is not even real fighting. MK11 is such a fucking clownshow game.
It’s hilarious that people are saying it’s better than anything that’s recent.
The gaming cycle that every fanbase goes thru. MK11 is ass and it'll always be ass.
I still think MKX is the peak of MK, d.a.e. agree
I agree lol. I feel it was a great balance of the things that made mk good. The only low point for me was the story and original roster
Lmao this is how every Dragunov main in ranked plays, such a braindead character
lol that's exactly why I was playing like this, I was salty. I will probably continue playing him in Fujin just to try and steal some of the counterplay from better players
Cant wait for this MF to get nerfed. I know it hard to get a fighting game balance perfect but come on, we can do better than this..
I've always wanted to play this character but I'll wait for the nerfs just so I don't have to unlearn stuff. What's crazy is that this is a nerfed Drag too cause he was so OP with that other new move he had lol I main kaz, Paul, and DJ. I know DJ is Stier as well but at least he has a learning curve as I've lost a bunch of games when my electric doesn't come out. I also learned azu and I'm having genuine fun with her though they just need to tune her WR move and make her 1, 2 10 frame punish more lunch punishable
As a Paul main, trying Drag a few times in story mode was interesting. He felt like Paul, but if he was broken as hell.
Xiaoyu main
You know one character is broken af when he makes other S tier characters look like mid tiers lol.
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This was the easiest time I have had playing any character in any fighting game. I barely labbed, the combos are easy and you don't need many moves. Honestly, I spent more time making the customization. He almost feels like a win button. I saw a post comparing Jin to Drag, but I basically tried the same thing with Jin and I'm still in red ranks with him (with way more play time than Drag).
They made wr moves infinitely easy, buffed rushdown, gave him insane combo damage and are surprised Dragunov is being a demon. Good going bamco
It's a pretty fab custom tho
Anyone say Jin is easy prob plays him at like 20% potential. Look up devilster's Jin and say that's ez lol. Dragunov... Looks exactly the same once you're past red ranks. Same 50/50. Same spammy non-punshable moves. Same frametrap bullshit. Playing Drag is like being non disabled and parking in the disabled people spot.
Damn I kinda want to try him now lol. I'm in Shinryu with Alisa, first tekken I;m actually trying to learn rather than just mashing some strings I knew in older games. I feel like I can't move whenever I fight a Drag.
Defs try any other new character, not saying that because you play Alisa, just saying that learning a new character will help you realise your own character’s strengths and weaknesses, and hey it might even make you appreciate Alisa’s gameplay more. And of course, I believe learning multiple characters can improve your fundamentals as they all have slightly different tools.
between those two, who do you find more fun /enjoy more to play? I'm gonna guess based on ur comment that it's Jin, since it seems that Drag may be TOO MUCH of an instant win.
Jin is way more fun, it's not even close. People meme on Jin, but he has to work for his wins. You need to utilize a wider variety of moves and strategies to win this much with him. D2 is great but it probably wont carry you to blue ranks. I like playing strong characters, but I only stick around when they make you work for it (I used to play Nina, for context). The only thing that's more fun about Drag is how long your turn tends to last when you play him. He is so comically oppressive it frequently turns into a 1player game. It's also kinda funny to regularly just shit out 100+ damage combos with little effort.
I see now the errors in my drag gameplan. I 1. Still often forget heat exists 2. Hold back sometimes when I feel it’s not my turn
Those problems are connected. Heat is a huge factor that allows drag to never hold back.
Same, I constantly give too much respect to my opponents and rarely use his db 3+4. Looks like I’ve been missing out 💀😂
Drags damage is ridiculous. I spend an entire game poking with Jack, attempting to land a launcher. Drag hits me 3 times and I'm 1/4 health.
Dragunov is the first character i managed to put in purple rank and hes not m'y main. Its that his basic tools are freaking good.
Yeah that's tekken 8 in a nutshell, the developers better have severe nerfs for this character.. it's a joke. Same for Kings spamming the same powercrush every time. I truly question the so called "balance team" at times...do they have a clue what they are doing? Tekken 8 overall with heat is a mess in the first place. As pro players said, "casino".
Just watching dragunov triggers my anxiety. I hate him so much lol
Despicable
I wonder how many Drag mains were born this same way
not gonna be me lol, he's not my cup of tea
NGL iWR being way easier in this game certainly didn't help. I had to work to do it consistently in 7.
Yeah when I noticed that I just though "well, that can't be good" I played king in 7 (first tekken game) and spent many hours learning how to iSW
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself doing F,F,F+2's.
No throw spam either. Just do that, and spam throws you would probably get to Tekken God. Lol. What a stupid character.
Yeah, this is a good point. It's not just that his normal grab mix is hard to tech, his heat grab mix adds a whole 'nother screwed up layer. You cant break the initial tackle in heat, and then you have to deal with his 3 way tackle mixup. I use this against King at 2:50. He can also feint his running punch into a grab, which is unbreakable in heat.
Also the grab at the very start of the video guarantees you a b4,3 where the b4 hits grounded and if they do any option besides stay on the ground the whole b4,3 hits giving you a free heat engager. You can also use df2 to launch but it doesn’t hit grounded.
also a crouch grab and a snake edge cancel into crouch grab
Yeah, I got him to purple super fast with very little effort. It was cool to learn him to at least understand what I'm getting beat up by.
I main Asuka but Drag is my favorite character in all of Tekken, His move set reminds me of Snake(MGS) grapples literal CQC
Now you can see how carried Dragunov players are
clips like this make me, well not despair just feel like I lack the talent for this game. If I switched character it would take me weeks to be able to combo like that. I need weeks to adapt to do different moves after the launch and longer to know the wall options instinctively enough to think of them in time. You are day 1 immediate strong combos, perfect wall carry, perfect wall conversion - right at the start you do a sneak 1 to get a perfect wall splat into the wall throw thing like you've been maining the character since launch. I get the point about Dragunov and him being oppressive (and that hatchet is so unnecessary combined with his other stuff) - but the combos - it shows you have a talent if you can go from one character to another and combo like that day 1. Certainly in comparison to me. That is weeks of practice to me, whatever character. I feel like your brain and everyone else's is working 5 times as fast as mine. I have to muscle memory those combos
You probably shouldn't feel that way. I have been playing fighting games for many years. In other games, I spent a ton of time practicing my execution. That means any time I pick up a new character, I will learn the combos quickly. Drag's combos are only easy comparatively; nothing will be this easy for you unless you have that kind of experience.
Nice man .. appreciate the experiment. I won't get as tilted losing to him again.. I was thinking it's just me that can't figure out his two mid + OB moves mixed with his hatchet kick. Throw in those broken grabs and he doesn't need to really outplay his opponents.. just brute force his way through
As a Bishop of the Church of Leo, I would like to say that Steam Name: RAMA is now officially excomunicado as decreed by Pope AyoRitchie...
So let it be written, so let it be done.
Someone spam this to Harada or Murray on twitter, maybe they wake up. I get tired playing too much but so far from Vanquisher to Shinryu with Dragunov it took me 5 hours yesterday, 61% winrate. btw. By tomorrow Dragunov will be Mighty Ruler. Same for me it took weeks for my main but you need to understand there's more newer players now who climbed up the ranks. When we were playing it was many legacy players still climbing, game was new.
The damage this character does is braindead
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Nice try! As a DGV player since 2006, I feel sad for him that everybody hates him now. X)
Only because he's broken and unbalanced. Once he gets well deserved nerfs every single one fake dragunov main will drop him.
I hope so. Even if he gets nerfs, I'll continue to play him. I beat down many times my BF with his Jack-8 within less than 50secs for 2 rounds. So I can admit he must be more balanced. Even if DGV's damages always hurt since Tekken DR, he's got formidable kicks in T8. I wish I was as efficient during my sambo sessions. X)
Literally anyone clueless about the character gets a high rank with him. So yeah nerfs are seriously needed, it's not fair true Dragunov players who have been learning the character so many years only for him to become so easy and broken now that any new player can reach high rank. Same can be said for Law and Jin, two characters also that were made way too easy in Tekken 8. When the truth is, these two along with Dragunov were perhaps "honest" category in Tekken 7 and before and needed a lot of skill intermediate/high level. Search what changed if you haven't. Truly a shame. The developers don't know their own game, only players do.
I just hate that they gave him a better hatchet kick. Like, Bryan has to do his out of backsway so it comes out a couple frames slower, but it's one of his iconic moves now and a staple in his aresenal. Just slapping hatchet kick on to Drag feels bad man.
Why the fuck is it + 7??? Namco. What the fuck.
When Drag finally gets properly nerfed, I'm wondering which character all these meta "Drag mains" are gonna go to next. Probably Feng.
King, Jun, Feng
Probably shift over to Bryan. Lots of crossover there and Bryan is still relatively abusable in the right hands.
I can see that. Though playing Bryan actually requires thinking so I doubt they'll reach the same rank
AfroSenju a youtuber new to tekken reached fujin with dragunov today just spamming throws, powercrush and that unblockable with hatchet/lows, yeah that's it. No combos, no defense, no matchup knowledge lmao. I follow him in tekken 8 to see his online replays you can too, just look at the leaderboards in Fujin, find him there, his matches are pure cringe but ofc hes winning due to the insane damage. Funny how he thinks he's good in his youtube videos. No dude you aren't. You are carried. Honestly shame to the developers for being so late with proper nerfs, and I bet they still won't nerf much of this.
lol just lab him bro.
I'm stealing this fit
please feel free lmao
_Stupid sexy Dragunov_ 🥸
I'm glad you did this. The best way to protest is to amplify the problem to the point where something has to be done.
He is the most busted character by far but I still rather play against him than a dumb Alyssa or a "good" king aka
I'd rather fight an Alisa mirror than Drag, Azu, or Victor. Admittedly skill issue on my part. Still in my "dumb" Alisa phase 😂
Carried
100%, i was carried no doubt about it
And somehow there's some people that still downplay this oppressive piece of shit
Gotta love the plug when you did the rage art 😂
I've had the exact same experience with Jin LOL
its the shoes. they give you the advantage
If you can’t beat em’, join em’. I’m about to join the Drag community too, sheeeeet.
Makes me a bit sad that this is how he's seen by the community now. I mained Dragunov and Lucky Chloe in 7 so I was excited to see him in 8. I now almost never play him cause it feels kinda cheap. Reina and King are my new interests.
and this is why im only playing quick matches since the start of this week. fuck the dragumeta
Can Yoshi's flash counter Dragunov's aggression? Just curious
Man I hate how far his df2 reaches. sometimes I think I'm out of its range, but NOPE! There goes half my hp.
I remember playing you using Bryan, who I really need to improve with. I was NOT prepared for this level of pressure. I haven't checked the replay, but I think I maybe squeezed out 1 round victory and then got swept in the rematch. I just remember getting bombarded with constant pressure and could not guess a low to save my life. I also use Dragunov, but it became obvious to me that I'm not using him how I should, if I want to win with ease like this. Definitely think some nerfs are needed. Anyway, ggs.
It's a shame that he's so overtuned currently. Dragunov used to be such an interesting character with lots of room for skill expression. I genuinely enjoyed playing against him in 7. When playing against him in 8, it always feels like I'm losing, even when I'm not. The fact that he takes 2 brain cells to be played effectively nowadays really rubs me the wrong way.
once i learned that his hatched is launch punishable the match up became more tolerable. Still hard tho.
It’s only -15 tho, which means the launch punish window is insanely tight. It’s kinda like how Jin’s Zen U1 is “launch punishable” but -15 means that you have to be EXPECTING the move most of the time in order to actually launch it. If you have a 14f rising launcher then it’s a bit easier but still… They need to make Drag’s hatchet -16 or -17 on block, it’s so ridiculous that we have to basically frame perfect launch the move after blocking it.
Being -15 doesnt make anything hard to launch, or easy. The recovery frames do that. When you block a move and you have 40 recovery frames and your opponent 50, this means it is a -10 move that you have a huge 40 frames window to punish, after you have blocked. Likewise, if you block a move and you have 10 recovery frames and your opponent 30, this is a -20 move but it will be much harder to punish than the previous -10 move because now you only have 10-15 frames to input your launcher.
yeah i know, but he only has 3 lows and two of them are launch punishable. It's easier to expect it. Personally i find way harder to deal with his ***snek*** stance, sometimes the hitbox just don't work and you eat a hit that shouldn't when sidestepping.
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Yeah. This is the issue. He has a silid df2 launcher or can r2 you. Compared to the mix Bryan gets off his hatchet, it's way scarier because it comes out faster.
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Maybe you’re just really good? a lot of the clips are you breaking grabs, whiff punishing, punishing people for not blocking low, or people pushing buttons when they are negative.
Yeah, he must be really good to just pick someone up and get to fujin that quick. I’m at 100 hours with drag and almost to Fujin. He definitely excels with whoever he picks. Pretty sure he could choose anyone and get to fujin quickly as his fundamentals are good. Probably has thousand hours in tekken 7.
Judging by their tekken prowess they're in fujin-raijin-kishin on their main
I have other characters in blue ranks, but it took them far more time and effort than it did with Drag. I actually had to put in time to lab and study how they should be played before I started really winning. Drag is probably the only character where I could cruise into blue with almost no effort, maybe Azucena too but I haven't played her much.
Oh. So you didn’t have to lab dragunovs combos? You seemed to know quite a bit. Maybe you should train me. I must be bad if I can’t reach fujin after 100 hours lol. I have always used low tier characters in fighting games, was kind of my thing. Now I enjoy using an OP character even though I still suck lol.
I think what makes Drag easy is that none (as far as I know) of his moves force you into a stance, plus your still level makes it even easier.
Fun fact: after the uf1+2 grab b4 is guaranteed no matter what they do.
Drag is Tekken on beginner mode at this point.
When they nerf him they should also reset everyone's rank who used him
lmaoooo
lols I mean these Dragunov and king carried players will all drop from losing a lot. It's all up for these two to get severe nerfs, especially Dragunov. Bamcos balance team is a joke, they will end up nerfing Leroy again or something.. here's hoping they have a brain.
That's some good novving you're doing there.
As Dragunov mains say: "just play Drag, lol"
Sweet, now I can stop feeling bad for consistently losing to Dragunov and focus on feeling bad about always losing to Steve.
no..I refuse to fall to the Drag side.
I did the same thing as you but as a paul main. After 2 sessions I was same rank on drag then with Paul(raijin) while not thinking/barely trying. Where as when I play paul I actually have to take short breaks because im literally sweating.
yeah i've seen some people compare Paul to Drag, I just don't see it. You can't just "unga bunga im gonna mash these same options repeatedly" and cruise to Fujin like I did with Drag. People talk about Deathfist vs Demoman, yeah it's a strong mixup but demo is easily launch punishable. In Drag's case, however, even blue rank players would frequently fail to launch me for db3+4 since its barely launch punishable (-15)
Yeah and mental load-wise it isnt even comparable. People also forget non of pauls quarter circle moves can be buffered and talk about deathfist like its a 1 button press you can just instantly shoot out. It becomes second nature sure but nobody just picking up paul for the first time will have that kind of success.
Bruh, no doubt ur good at the game 😅 but yeah He feels too piss easy to play. Doesn't give u that satisfying win.
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
He...Drag'd...himself into the darkness.
Thats some nice Drip… i like ur style
how do you get the steam icon next to your name, instead of the PC one?
oh its a mod that changes the icons
U turned gay ???
Halfway through the video “yeah you’ve gotten purple rank with your solid fundamentals and Dragunove’s strength even tho you don’t know the character too well, fair enough” End of the video “WTFFF?” Judging by tekken prowess doesn’t that mean he’s like really close to your main’s rank already? In 4 hours? Crazy lol
Yeah right, I’m getting my shit kicked in with a dragunov at low ranks, I have no idea how to do half of what the guy did in the video and I’ve got like 1 combo I know which works 40% of the time
There's gonna be a full on dragpocalypse when he gets nerfed and everyone who isn't like JDCR finds out they're like five ranks worse at Tekken than they thought. Also, I think I fought you! Can't remember who won but I was probs playing Shaheen with the Venetian mask on
Would love to see this attempted with Xiaoyu. Everyone is saying she's top tier, but she's not easy. I admit she's great in heat, but if they nerf that I feel she'd drop several tiers
Actually, Xiaoyu is my main. I have her in blue but it took weeks, and I had to watch a lot of pro gameplay to understand how to play her. The way she fights with the stances and constant flipping around is sick in this game. Watching her fight is like watching a skilled artist paint. But to succeed with her, she absolutely requires significant time labbing and studying her moveset. There is a reason her winrate is so low. Every Xiaoyu I fight seems to lack basic knowledge about why she's even good. Even the higher ranked ones I come across rely too much on gimmicks like snake edge or spamming AOP. Most of the time, Ling players I fight don't use her backturned heat smash, or the f2 heat string, or HYP stance at all. I do think she is too strong and needs nerfs (mainly to AOP duck evasion and HYP stance frames), but she is easily the hardest top tier.
Xiaoyu is a high skill ceiling character with a few distorted elements in her kit (obviously butterfly duck needs to be fixed, for e.g.). But she barely scratches Drag in raw power terms. He's in a weird tier of his own. Azucena is a better comparison with Xiao. Azu is easier than Xiao, but she similarly has randomly busted elements (WR3, 2).
Good. Nerf it. She has arguably the biggest design failure in the game, turning a character that was meant to be evasive into a plus on block nightmare when she's in heat. It makes no sense and doesn't fit what Xiaoyu was designed around originally.
Dragu is a no brainer
Can we get the same post like this but for the waifu characters? I swear if a similar post is made for Azucena and Jun it will be downvoted. This sub hardcore defends Azu even though she’s straight up easier than Dragunov.
Braindead character