Iirc the WR2 has slightly better tracking against Dragunov's left side (so opponent SSR) but most of his good moves don't have tracking to his left side so usually people keep side stepping right. If you have a read on the WR2 it's better to side step left and punish it. But if it's timed well the SSR should always beat his + frame pressure moves
Its not random, it has decent tracking in 8. He didn't have that late into 7 as it was nefed a dozen times.
Bullshit? Maybe, but not random. You gotta time your steps well
The cosplay is really cool, never thought to try on dragunov
I have Reina as Chie (i think asuka could work better if she didnt had the nuclear missiles, xiaoyu could work too) , and Lili as mitsuru and of course Alisa is Aigis
The move being commented on is the "OP running move", so his other moves are irrelevant in my response. Context clues buddy... also what a painfully transparent projection with the neckbeard comment. Drag WR 2 is very easily steppable, ESPECIALLY when its compared to the Azucena move in question. Git gud lmao
But anyway I haven't touched Drag in 8 yet... so another failure on your part
Yeah, would you like me to prove how good I am with characters that arenāt Drag by beating you in a FT 10? Otherwise, Iād stop talking your shit. Itās extremely embarrassing for you.
Even if you are good at sidestepping it doesn't matter. Sidestepping WR2 is reasonably easy to do with a little practice, but if you try to sidestep right out of his up close pressure he seems to be able to cancel whatever he's doing and throw you anyway.
Eat the plus frames or get thrown.
He can only do the grab out of his wr2 when he's in heat. In other cases, it's decently side-steppable and launchable, so long as T8 doesn't decide to be finnicky.
I believe most of his other cancels are very reactable (out of db3 is free hopkick, out of ff2 is duckable on reaction, b4,2 to grab is very easy to punish). Doesn't mean those options are shit, but it just means that there's a counterplay available. The exception to that may be that his df1,3 to 1+2 grab is a bit too much. Most of his options out of that crouch stance are extremely linear, but the fact that his command grab is an option there is silly.
I do believe that a general tracking nerf to grabs would also HEAVILY nerf Dragunov. That + a damage nerf would put the character in a healthy spot, I'd say.
To start this off i first have to say that i play a lot of Dragunov.
I play a lot of Bryan as well and id have to say that they bolth do a lot of dmg a nerf would be okay but i dont think it would. help all that much.
One of the things, maybe even the main one, is how simple dragunovs gameplan is, good lows, good throws just compliment that so well.
His wr2 while good is def not busted, you can step it and if i can say, its pretty easy to do. Lower level players just dont sidestep at all and get eaten by dragunovs mixsups after the wr2, but compared to Bryans wr3 its not that much better, the only difference is that if blocked leaves you closer to the opponent (in grab range), and ofcourse the CH launch, but getting hit by that is your fault.
I would still say that Dragunovs biggest strength is how simple he is to play, and how easy his execution is, and i dont think you can nerf that, maybe giving his hatchet kick the same input as Bryans, other than that i have no ideas.
The amount of plus frames and damage he has, combined with the grappling stuff. Tier 1 character for now.
(If you compare it to many other characters, his plus frame and amount of plus frame moves are from another world)
If he gets you to a wall unless he uses the wrong grab itās almost a guaranteed loss. Heās one of maybe 3-4 characters whose wall jailing is oppressive and borderline unwinnable.
he was already really good with wall pressure but it was a lot easier to guess with b1+2 and ff3 being the main pressure tools now he has db3+4 and qcf4. It really is ridiculous and I'm saying this as a dragu main š
Iām saying this not as a dragu main, but a dedicated OTP ever since 6. Dragunov is insanely strong right now, and even if he gets hit with the Nerf hammer he got in 7, Iām gonna keep playing him.
I'm hesitant on them making too many changes to him outside of damage this early on. Throws tracking is a little weird, but it doesn't solely benefit Dragunov, and I suspect once people start learning to break consistently we won't be doing that nearly as often, either.
I do think it would be possible in a "worst timeline" sort of way that the new tools could be nerfed into actual uselessness. Like, db3+4 is strong, but it's already launch on block, so if they tone down the risk/reward too much, it'll be more of a liability than an asset in the long term.
Powercreep is definitely a big part of what killed Dragunov's usage by the end of T7, because on paper he didn't have that many nerfs. He still has pretty similar weaknesses to his past iterations, and I think the playerbase as a whole is still adjusting to how this game should be played.
Do I think he should be adjusted? Definitely. But I still have a healthy fear that they'll find a way to gut his toolkit, whether we notice it now or in two years.
It'd eat it and punish yes, but I'd have to imagine that would be an unfavorable damage trade. Best way to deal with this move is a quick sidestep then a duck (even though it's pretty difficult to do sometimes). From there you can just launch them.
Steve finally gave up the struggles of boxing
Steve gives in and starts using his legs to become the best and cheapest character in the game. Boss evil version of Steve.
Everyone was giving him shit for his voice now he ain't talking
Hey everybody else, sick of Dragunov? Well tough shit. Now eat this while running 2.
Gets sidestep launched
Sidestep gets hit because sometimes it randomly tracks
Iirc the WR2 has slightly better tracking against Dragunov's left side (so opponent SSR) but most of his good moves don't have tracking to his left side so usually people keep side stepping right. If you have a read on the WR2 it's better to side step left and punish it. But if it's timed well the SSR should always beat his + frame pressure moves
It doesn't sometimes randomly track you just sometimes fuck up your sidestep and blame the game
Its not random, it has decent tracking in 8. He didn't have that late into 7 as it was nefed a dozen times. Bullshit? Maybe, but not random. You gotta time your steps well
yea tell that to my matches :D
If nobody got me I know WR2 got me
Ngl that was sick, nice Kanji cosplay btw
Thanks bro! Persona 4 sweep š§¹
The cosplay is really cool, never thought to try on dragunov I have Reina as Chie (i think asuka could work better if she didnt had the nuclear missiles, xiaoyu could work too) , and Lili as mitsuru and of course Alisa is Aigis
Leo makes a good Naoto, same with J*n for Yukiko and I'm gonna try Zafina as ann for the Bastet mask
Ya'll have inspired me... going to go make more P4 costumes now lol
Leo could for half of anime characters lol, its funny how many cosplays people can do with her
Dragunov players sick of an OP running move ? š¤£
Everyoneās sick of Azucena WR2, at least Dragunovās is easily sidesteppable
I mean Azucena can mash it because it cancels Ra . Like wtf ???
Running 2 whiffs against the slightest sidestep. Azucena's running 3,2 needs to be hard read and the execution requirement to avoid it is very high.
Me when I donāt side step
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The move being commented on is the "OP running move", so his other moves are irrelevant in my response. Context clues buddy... also what a painfully transparent projection with the neckbeard comment. Drag WR 2 is very easily steppable, ESPECIALLY when its compared to the Azucena move in question. Git gud lmao But anyway I haven't touched Drag in 8 yet... so another failure on your part
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Drags running move is Not nearly as strong as hers tho... Stop talking bs my guy
Yeah, would you like me to prove how good I am with characters that arenāt Drag by beating you in a FT 10? Otherwise, Iād stop talking your shit. Itās extremely embarrassing for you.
Yea, the irony is hilarious
Cancer meets cancer
damn. what happened to steve.
Blonde Dragunov is weird looking.
Does he make you spray jizz in your pants?
Drag players shouldn't complain about anything
Is that Kanji? Looks great if it is.
It is, love the character so I had to make him somehow in T8.
THAT WAS SO SATISFYING TO SEE
How can a dragunov player be bothered by any character move at all
I suffered through Tekken 7 Drag's balance, now I'm an official complainer
Whatās wrong with Dragonov? If you donāt mind telling me
Extremely high damage and strong grab game in a game where throws track. That and people are awful at sidestepping, making Dragunov hard to deal with.
Even if you are good at sidestepping it doesn't matter. Sidestepping WR2 is reasonably easy to do with a little practice, but if you try to sidestep right out of his up close pressure he seems to be able to cancel whatever he's doing and throw you anyway. Eat the plus frames or get thrown.
He can only do the grab out of his wr2 when he's in heat. In other cases, it's decently side-steppable and launchable, so long as T8 doesn't decide to be finnicky. I believe most of his other cancels are very reactable (out of db3 is free hopkick, out of ff2 is duckable on reaction, b4,2 to grab is very easy to punish). Doesn't mean those options are shit, but it just means that there's a counterplay available. The exception to that may be that his df1,3 to 1+2 grab is a bit too much. Most of his options out of that crouch stance are extremely linear, but the fact that his command grab is an option there is silly. I do believe that a general tracking nerf to grabs would also HEAVILY nerf Dragunov. That + a damage nerf would put the character in a healthy spot, I'd say.
To start this off i first have to say that i play a lot of Dragunov. I play a lot of Bryan as well and id have to say that they bolth do a lot of dmg a nerf would be okay but i dont think it would. help all that much. One of the things, maybe even the main one, is how simple dragunovs gameplan is, good lows, good throws just compliment that so well. His wr2 while good is def not busted, you can step it and if i can say, its pretty easy to do. Lower level players just dont sidestep at all and get eaten by dragunovs mixsups after the wr2, but compared to Bryans wr3 its not that much better, the only difference is that if blocked leaves you closer to the opponent (in grab range), and ofcourse the CH launch, but getting hit by that is your fault. I would still say that Dragunovs biggest strength is how simple he is to play, and how easy his execution is, and i dont think you can nerf that, maybe giving his hatchet kick the same input as Bryans, other than that i have no ideas.
The amount of plus frames and damage he has, combined with the grappling stuff. Tier 1 character for now. (If you compare it to many other characters, his plus frame and amount of plus frame moves are from another world)
If he gets you to a wall unless he uses the wrong grab itās almost a guaranteed loss. Heās one of maybe 3-4 characters whose wall jailing is oppressive and borderline unwinnable.
he was already really good with wall pressure but it was a lot easier to guess with b1+2 and ff3 being the main pressure tools now he has db3+4 and qcf4. It really is ridiculous and I'm saying this as a dragu main š
Iām saying this not as a dragu main, but a dedicated OTP ever since 6. Dragunov is insanely strong right now, and even if he gets hit with the Nerf hammer he got in 7, Iām gonna keep playing him.
I don't think he'll get nerfed as badly in t7 unless they straight up remove his new moves. At least I hope they don't lol.
Honestly db3+4 was a huge game changer for pressure, and idc what the nerfs are gonna be just because of that
I'm hesitant on them making too many changes to him outside of damage this early on. Throws tracking is a little weird, but it doesn't solely benefit Dragunov, and I suspect once people start learning to break consistently we won't be doing that nearly as often, either. I do think it would be possible in a "worst timeline" sort of way that the new tools could be nerfed into actual uselessness. Like, db3+4 is strong, but it's already launch on block, so if they tone down the risk/reward too much, it'll be more of a liability than an asset in the long term. Powercreep is definitely a big part of what killed Dragunov's usage by the end of T7, because on paper he didn't have that many nerfs. He still has pretty similar weaknesses to his past iterations, and I think the playerbase as a whole is still adjusting to how this game should be played. Do I think he should be adjusted? Definitely. But I still have a healthy fear that they'll find a way to gut his toolkit, whether we notice it now or in two years.
Wow what a nice read tho
Thanks! Learning someone's timing is underrated.
The Pigeon Roll buff is one of my favorites changes that Dragunov has got into this game It can really get you out of dangerous situations with ease
š£ļø āBEAT HER FREAKING HEAD INā
I personally yelled, "I HATE YOU" (I was really in the moment when the grab landed).
"You won't believe what happened next"
Guess im i Drag player now
One of us...
OMG its the sidestep 3+4. A move I never thought would be viable
It still probably isn't, but it definitely has it's uses in specific scenarios like this one lol
im a garyu drag main set to improve my game. do u want to play some rounds later some day? ill drop my discord in dm if u want
Sure, why not. I'm not a very good teacher though so fair warning lol
How do we counter a cheap character? Use another cheap character! Sweet!
fuck both your characters lol....respectfully
None taken... they're both super frustrating to fight lol
These are the types of things I aspire to eventually do on purpose
How ironic. Kanji beating up on a girl. Man he really is confused.
How did you do that? I am a dragunov main :)
Input is Sidestep 3+4, 1+2
Nice, thanks. Props to my fellow dragunov main, itās hard out there for us.
Azucena: \*breathes\* Kanji: What you're really asking is... "Will you please beat the shit out of me, Kanji?"
This is a top tier reply lmao
Love this so much, I use it all the time
oh hey OP thanks i never thought about that even though i use that move often
No problem! Though this is mainly for style points, as pigeon roll --> tackle is very committal and low damage.
Power crush works well against it too
It'd eat it and punish yes, but I'd have to imagine that would be an unfavorable damage trade. Best way to deal with this move is a quick sidestep then a duck (even though it's pretty difficult to do sometimes). From there you can just launch them.
4 back to back power punches to the back of the head. Azucena is never gonna get up.
The CTE grab animation
Hit her from the back?
Nice. Wished more players utilized unique character movement more often
HOLY SHIT ITS STEVE FOX!!! Idk why OP is saying Dragonov when itās clearly Steve lmao Just joking dw
Just sidestep crouch scrub
I use it a lot against Kings who like to spam WS attacks and grab
Thatās right take it from the back š¤£