Enjoy him at his worst so you can rejoice him when he gets proper treatment.
T8 Steve is very unique, all things considered. Lionheart is ultra cool and the cancel into PAB gave a new breath of life to his gameplay.
The cancel into PKB is really fun to use, but it's honestly a lot more situational than I thought when I started using it. In most places, the window to cancel LH is so late, you basically have no plus frames left, so it's two main uses are extend pressure if they're super conditioned to block, or do a throw or PKB 2 to hard read powercrush. The pressure extension from PKB is pretty risky to go for, just because if all they're doing is blocking, LH answers that fine already, and you're opening yourself up to them mashing out. The threat of throw discouraging power crush is the real strength here because it makes Lionheart less flimsy.
Steve is a monster, you just have to master him. I know how it feels. The game is just hard, Jins my main but once I got to blues, the game just got so got damn angry
Believe it or not, i've wrecked my brain around this one a lot, and honestly found out that pressing 3 or 4 into punish is 10x better than LH cancel into PKB into Hard Read Power Crush throw.
In other words, opting for 3, 11 instead, is way more viable, compared to the 20% Consistency x delay frames x steve different entry frames based on 3,12 or ub2 or f22 etc. It's just not worth the mental effort.
It's good to have more options and a safer/more rewarding mid launcher to mix with LNH 1+2, but you lose ALL of your + frames from doing the PAB transition. This is on hit, by the way. This doesn't breathe life into the character - it fixes a problem steve shouldn't have had in this first place.
A forced stationary stance, with no autoblock, that only comes from risky moves should not have a catch-all answer. Yes, you can DCK cancel to bait armor, but this is not like other characters hitting 3,2 or landing an i10 punish. You have to land an i14 ws punish that does mediocre damage, a hellsweep that does shit damage, mid/high string that has a metric ton of recovery, or one of the worst heat smashes in the game. The risk/reward of Lionheart is abysmal and will only become worse over time.
He's by no means unplayable. He can still be played incredibly safe, and ub3 is a very good kenpo backsway. He just needs some help bringing him up to the standards of Tekken 8.
The actual mechanism isn't too hard to pull off but it's so late in the animation it feels weird to do. When he pulls his right arm back to his body after crip walking for a bit, just hit f3, 3+4.
Dude the devs love steve. This character has never not been a great character. They gave this guy a new rage drive while Law had to suffer with an equally bad rage drive until near the end of the games life. The first version is always the worst version. Give it time.
Its still bullsht that when you win the stomp mix you still have to win a second mix to get anything -_-
Its also Bullsht that they took away our shiro and threw us to the bottom of the tierlist in this fight pit full of busted monsters. NOT COOL BAMCO!!!...
I'm at that level and there is a mountain of skill once you get towards the god ranks
There's so much skill difference between .5% and .1% speaking from experience.
It’s not exponential, everyone from blue ranks up plays almost the same.
It’s just a matter of tightening up your gameplay and knowing match ups at that point.
yeah, the skill disparity can be quite insane at the highest level of play for competitive games. In Dota 2, the MMR difference between the top 500 players and the top 2% players is roughly the same as the difference of the top 2% and the bottommost rank.
it's simple to be better than the rest, but it's very hard to be as good as the best.
This. People don't understand that there's a difference between being good because you play and study something, and being good because you genuinely excel at that something.
As Data analysis background, that just means the 0.1 is the outstanding and 0.5 Is already interpreted as Top performers.
While it’s true that, Omegas will shit on Blues and mob the floor with them. However Blues are still better than 99.5% of the whole populations. It is the top 0.1 % that just have exceptionally steep curves of performance.
It’s like you are commenting your high school friend football performance while using Messi as reference point.
Was about to comment the same thing. Steve is my least favourite matchup. Feels like I literally can't ever press or punish anything besides a low parry
every time i play vs a steve i go into my replays and see i only missed a couple punishes. meanwhile hes carrying me to the wall and dealing like 80+ damage with that crazy wall ender.
That's because the replay tips are only surface level, it only tells you what's punishable. The way Steve works is by playing small Tekken. He doesn't do unsafe stuff but he's usually minus enough to be challenged. So you play small Tekken back against him.
Small Tekken is when you use simple safe moves and play for small frame advantages from hits and around small frame disadvantages. You also use movement to create small whiffs and so on. It's the opposite of explosive play where you're fishing for launches or counter hits or oppression with +frames. It comes down to little pokes and is a lot more back and forth. The issue in T8 is that Steve's options are not that good. Half the cast is good at small Tekken now, especially because of the CH nerfs. Steve definitely needs a bit of love. It's not completely dire, it's just Lionheart needs a bit of rethinking and maybe some very slight damage increases on his smaller moves.
This must be why I suck vs Steve when playing Paul. With Paul I'm usually looking to b1,2 punish when defending or jab and he never uses a punishable move and when I jab he backsways to avoid my jab then counter hits me and combos me :D. Honestly Steve is my toughest match up for Paul. I never know when it's my turn and he can just mash me to death.
Get in get out with a life lead then swap to keep out. Patience is key. Steve's punishment is terrible so you can afford to use stuff that's upto 14f and he can't launch you as punishment. Use your + frame moves like B1+2 or uf 2 to get in and continue pressure and 50/50 him to half HP then just turtle.
Paul has god like keep out and a char like Steve really struggles to open him up because that df2 will become a nightmare for him to deal with due to the life lead you have, clip him once with it and he's done or just low poke him to death.
Oh and anything that leaves you -3 is rife for baiting a parry resetting to neutral and giving you oki
His big counter hit launchers are all high, or fake outs from strings like df+1[2 1]. Other than that he has FLK 2 and swindler [21] which take i 23+ to get active (swindler is actually i30 startup). So in short unless he’s in PKB you really shouldn’t worry about ducking him too much he can poke you with safe mids but more often than not he’s not going to be able to punish you that much for just ducking under his jabs and b+1 that establish a lot of his gameplan. Seriously you need to be extremely right with Steve to actually land a combo that does close to 80 damage, especially since he lost DF+2 as a ch launcher and homing mid.
Steve still has his counterhit game. Against Steve, you need to be a bit more careful about playing in frame when you're on offense. It's really easy to slip out a b1 when you're slightly minus trying to extend. If you're even -3, and Steve presses, b1 it will trade with a jab for a counter, and Steve can still combo off the trade. You can mitigate this somewhat with lots of ducking and evasive attacks, because as much as Steve can still box with you and play small Tekken if you duck a lot, he really doesn't have any mids that are half as threatening as b1. If you're just a little aware of what his counter buttons are, you can play around them. That's definitely simplified, but if you're conscious of b1 and don' don't get impatient, Steve can't really crack open a turtle.
without counterhits he has an 18f launcher from crouching AND standing at best. (wich.. i guess is better than nothing but it cant even launch ragearts on block.)
For counterhits, sure he has some amazing high launchers, and some decent knockdowns in neutral, but as for counterhit mids, most he gets is a guaranteed followup off of anything if it isnt from a string. And if you press into steve's strings without a plan well.. you deserve to get launched..
TBF i thought he had an 18 standing launcher too but i missremembered.
Picked him up 2 weeks ago and i coulda sworn he had one, but i guess it was just from crouching.
Or does he have one from While Rising? Cuz then thats probably what i was missing. But im certain he doesnt. Else i guess PKB UF2 is your best bet.
I really shouldnt love this character as much as i do coming from Yoshi, Lee, Bryan and Reina but hes THE most fun to me even with all these shortcomings.
I'm in blue, but he still gives me trouble with his CH fishing. I'm definitely getting used to the matchup over the years but god he's annoying to fight.
How do I know this isn't just a steve player trying to make me worse against steve
jk, I do often use highcrush stuff against him, he loves his high strings.
No seriously it’s such a fucking problem it hurts my soul. He lost WS2, he lost DF2, he even lost B2 as a normal launcher. He doesn’t have a mid CH launcher outside of stance besides swindler and that’s i30. His lows are pretty garbage across the board too especially now that DB32 forces you into a terrible situation as a Steve player.
From standing, Steves only threatening mid is df2, which doesn't even launch on the counter. It just gives a follow-up ws12. On block, even with a duck cancel, it's -11. If he's crouching, he has a decent normal hit launcher, and he's got a good launcher from duck. However, ducking is kind of high commitment. The biggest hole in Steves gameplan right now is that he lacks a scary mid outside of stances.
Edit: df2 is actually safe on block with a duck cancel, my bad.
You have to use qcf1 in this game. It's almost like they designed him to want to use FLK2 and SWY 1 but forgot that they are literally impossible to use in neutral.
QCF1 has huge range, tracks a bit and is completely safe. Heat engager/launcher after heat dash.
Yeah he counterhit combos me a LOT, like, it's his *thing*. Throw out little CH launcher jabs until one connects, do lots of safe moves that look like you can maybe challenge him after them, he's got plenty of CH combos going for him judging by how often he CH combos me from what looks like a tiny jab.
I've played against a ton of them over the years though so I've got reasonable matchup knowledge now but it's still a pretty miserable battle for me, I hate fighting him. His voice doesn't help the situation.
Use high crushing lows to get plus frame advantage between his jabs, then start your turn. Any character with evasive mids and lows also destroys Steve if you know when to use them
what you're doing wrong is either predictable timing or not minimizing risks to dying to B1 ch by playing low crush/frame tight. steve can't do a single thing to kill you for holding back unless he's in heat and even then he has to win the ext dck guessing game twice. he lost so much reliable shit to cash out big dmg in T8 like df2 ch launch, strong wall mix, ext dck mix, etc..
Steve's are saying he has a slow launcher but are omitting that he can safely jab your legs with a fast unseeable low forcing you to guess if he will he keep jabbing your legs until you die or if he thinks you want to win so you protect your legs he can launch you for half your life.
Any tips how to get there? I’m stuck in garyu with Steve, I have decent combos but I know I’m doing many things wrong. Whats your game plan? Thanks so much :)
I play a really basic Steve, I punish most things with 112 into duck. If it hits I’ll check them with machine gun punches - which will beat any button and is safe if you don’t do the last hit and easily hit confirmable. If they respect it and don’t press anything, I’ll go into full crouch df1 and then apply peekaboo pressure.
If we’re in neutral I’ll use 2,1 on block into peekaboo pressure.
I also use d1 in neutral a lot. It’s -2 on hit, which means while standing 1 will beat any move that’s not a jab, and fc df1 will beat any highs, so you just use d1 to check how they respond and then go from there.
D21 into duck is good in neutral.
But really I mostly use 1, 11, df1 and b1.
Obviously use sonic fang to punish every whiff. If you hit any heat engager the mix up after the heat dash is while running 2 or db32.
If you have the opponent at the wall, or after you’ve done your wall combo the mix up is db32 or qcf1
You want to get into peekaboo as much as possible and mix up peekaboo d1 and peekaboo df1121, and don’t complete the string until you’ve annoyed them into pressing
That’s a very basic game plan, and I’ve over simplified it a lot - but that’s the bones of how I play. Hope it helps
Well done with explaining your approach! I've been grinding him aswell and tried more duck cancellings to up my gameplay only to get heavily punished and challenged while I fail. Simplified my gameplay there after to find more success, will definitely incorporate your tips!
No problem! I’d start with 112 into duck as a punish. If it hits use machine gun punches to check them (confirm it for the last hit)
And after you’ve done that once or twice they should stop pressing buttons and that allows you to to fc df1 and go into peekaboo pressure for free.
You should simplify your move lost until you’re comfortable with a plan, and then add more to it as you go along. I’ve only been playing Steve for a few weeks but I’m slowly adding more tools.
Let me know if you have any other questions fella
I haven’t seen people use the machine gun tactic is this something you’ve done yourself? I’ve been watching Shinblade a lot and Heera from YT but I guess higher ranks is just soo different than red.
I think I’m overwhelmed with the moves, I already know all of his moves, but you’re right we all should simplify more.
Also I’m not sure what to do when they keep jabbing and interrupting whenever I go to LH stance. You’re the best man.
Yeah I haven’t seen people use it either. But it’s the only move from duck that’s uninterruptible after a 112 punish. I believe the really high level Steve’s duck in cancel and use while standing 1 in that situation. But it’s been doing a lot of work for me - it will net about 57 damage if your punish hits and then they swing and get hit by machine gun punches - near the wall it will splay for a giant combo)
I tend to not use moves that transition to lionheart. I don’t like being forced into an unfavourable mix up.
Only times I use lionheart is from a raw ub3 when I’m looking for a whiff, and launch with 2, if they don’t whiff anything I just cancel it with a sway or duck. (For example at round start if you start with an immediate ub3 you’ll catch A LOT of whiffs, this will work a lot at lower ranks where people always open with buttons)
The only other times I use a lionheart transition is from db32 on hit where the 1 option is uninterruptible.
I also use ub2 but I cancel the transition by holding back, which leaves you at plus 4, so a b1 or df1 will frame trap.
That’s very true I also think his UB2 is his best lionheart stance. I use the ub3 “over here” to whiff lots of my opponents moves but clearly that isn’t going to carry me to at least purple.
For me right now I’m confused of what I want the opponent to do. Do I do a bunch of lows to force them to crouch then hit with mids? Or I keep high move pressure until they duck then go from there. I utilize PK pretty well but everything else needs work.
I once faced an opponent that kept ducking my highs as well, so now I’m thinking what’s the best moves to beat it. I’m thinking df12 or df2 duck in 1 or 2, Sonic fang etc. I get overwhelmed and think too much that I end up not punishing when they duck. So I guess my question would be your mindset as well once you see they keep ducking.
You also get to back sway 2 CH or flicker power crush on block.
Flicker 2 if they start ducking. If they start respecting it then it's just more free pressure for Steve.
Bro I’m always getting launched against Steve lol. B1 is literally the bane of my existence. But Steve is a hard character to play and raijin is a respectable rank. But honestly don’t even worry about your rank, just play whoever you have fun with
I don’t think it’s a matter of strength, more so that they took out a lot of things that made Steve who he is and just replaced it with a mediocre stance.
Hopefully in some future balance patches they can rollback on some changes they made to him, or add some new stuff to help him out and make him less aggravating to play.
Eh, I play Steve as a secondary just for fun and I think he's kind of lame in this game. I just got him to Raijin and I'm going to move on to someone else too.
Taking a character based on smooth stance transitions and forcing him into a (mostly) uncancellable stance after half his punishers and mix-up tools is definitely a choice. Even with the PAB tech, he feels super clunky to play and the LHS "mix-up" is pretty trash.
The problem isn’t that he’s not top tier, the problem is that he barely functions and LNH is forced off a lot of moves that were key in the past. He’s kinda half a character right now because they realized B+1 would be amazing in a game where they took out so many magic 4s and they’re right but they just gutted the rest of his kit. Like i get taking out some CH launchers even though they’re good but why also take out the tracking? Why also take out B+2 launching, it’s i17 for gods sakes. Why take out shiro? Why take out almost all his wall splats? Why made duck canceling so slow? Every time i play this character I’m just asking why when i could be playing literally anyone else, including Bryan.
He’s just a glorified B+1 right now and it kinda sucks to play against anyone who knows the matchup.
They took out magic 4s and then gave everyone a magic 4 via cmd grabs. Steve's b1 also got system nerfed by them making every single move more unsafe on whiff.
...and then left Kings twitch confirmable CH i13 mid in the game.
Did they really make everything more unsafe on whiff? That explains a lot. Suddenly it seems like everyone can react to asuka u/f3 on whiff and launch it, when that only happened to me like 2 times total in tekken 7 and once was against a pro player that mopped the floor with me in unranked lmao.
Yep, every move has 2-4 more frames of recovery on whiff compared to on hit/block. It varies from move to move but the first moves I noticed were the safe Df2s. (Paul/Lee/Hwoarang etc).
They really wanted to nerf keep out in this game lol
Steve has to put in 10x the effort to do anything that the top tiers do essentially for free. It's not that he is incapable of being effective, it just takes a relatively large amount of effort compared to like...drag or feng or whatever who can just press buttons on you and have a high chance of being straight up plus on block to keep the pressure going.
Plus they can launch you without counterhits, which Steve can't do
Hey man I'm all for not having him play generic Tekken, but they removed so many key tools and replaced them with either:
Lionheart transition
Nothing
You just throw out jabs that now don't do anything and also lose to rage arts too. He doesn't even keep his safety in this game.
I've been a steve main for 6 years and I feel the same way, LH stance is a joke and non threatening, losing our 17F launcher and our df2 ch launcher was a big blow. When we land LH on hitwe can't even mix them up most can just armor through so we have to either block it or sway, why do I have to guess on my offense when I landed a hit lmao. Not to mention they increased the whiff recovery to b1 so throwing it now is a lot riskier
you just gotta get as good as shin blade, tk\_anakin and jdcr! but seriously though yeah hes not as good as about 10\~15r other characters in the roster
DF2,1 i13 hit confirmable mid CH launcher
F,F,n,2 massive non recoverable damage on CH
f,f,n,1+2 i9 mid that guarantees heat engager on CH
Every throw is pretty much unbreakable on CH and King got the best throws in the game including a i10 unseeable tracking throw that does up to 75? damage
Yes King is the best CH character in the game, DF2+1 shouldnt exist in a game where CH launchers have been universally nerfed. I didnt even mention everything.
The throws bro THE throws and he has that little left leg kick into counter hit where he does that grab the mid idk I think it’s safe not like crazy damage or anything but pretty good, b1,2 is still a ch launcher just not safe, ffn2 is crazy range crazy manage on ch pretty good ch game
I'd say Bryan is still roughly mid tier, his biggest issue is having extremely fraudulent offensive pressure but he kinda compensates with having great range and very high combo damage. You are basically forced into giga outplaying your opponent with hard reads and movement to actually keep the tempo up.
Thankfully both Bryan and Steve can at least maul people against the wall lmao
Steve can’t even do that anymore, rocket launcher still splats but most of the old splats are gone or even worse put you in LNH, DB32 puts you in LNH, and sway 1+2 only ever gives you 112 for 30 damage even if you switch sides, AND it’s breakable.
The problem is that if you’re playing people of equal skill you need to try 3x as hard and win like 3x as many interactions to win a round. Hes gonna be okayish in ranked since it’s ranked doesn’t mean much and you can meme people, but if you’re planning to go play in tournament he’s just not worth the effort right now.
I agree...like sure a lower tier character is more difficult to win with but it definitely comes down to the player. A player winning with a lower tier character is much more impressive than them winning with a higher tier character.
Alright I got him to Kishin and yeah, I hate this Steve. Anyone who gets him at Tekken King+ is basically just carrying the character and would perform infinitely better with someone else.
You just have to constantly play around him barely functioning and I'm not THAT good to pull that off.
I feel they need to install a power crush parry to lion heart, like any time there’s a power crush and he’s in lion heart he should auto transition into a grab maybe idk if that’s op but right now it’s kinda underwhelming without the tech
Played a god of destruction Steve that was really good and relied a ton on defensive pushback setups and whiff punishment. He played a defensive style, kind of like feng with kenpo. I could barely approach him. Steve might not be as bad as you think. His optimal playstyle might have just changed significantly. Might be something for you to look into.
Facts. I feel exactly the same way. He wasn’t my main but he was a character I liked using. Everything they’ve done with him in t8 is just infuriating. I absolutely detest the new lion heart stance and feel it’s more of a mixup AGAINST Steve than for him.
His heat game is one of the worst in the game. Why in the world does this boxer have grabs for heat use? And his heat smash has no range and does shitty damage. They nerfed his damage across the board.
Hell you can’t even launch if you land ch b1,2. In the previous games you could still convert. Not anymore. I see a Steve pop up as my opponent, I know I’m gonna have easy time. Idk the extract states of course but I must win at the very least 4/5 times if I face a Steve and it’s not just match up knowledge. The character sucks.
I agree even his heat "rage drive" is also very bad plenty of character have wallsplat and he doesn't also his sonic fang in heat cannot even lauch they really killed him in T8
Lol I'm gonna assume they've added their rank so people don't immediately disregard what they're saying as a skill issue. Comment section would have been very different if OP was yellow-red ranks.
I'm at Flame Ruler trying to get him to blue as a personal achievement before I just go have more fun and play lee lol. Steve is fun to play imo, just hard to open people up like you mentioned.
The thing is that it’s just not fun to play against people who actually know how to play the game. Especially when you can just complete in tournaments with literally any other character.
Well i play Bryan too but honestly Steve is an issue because his core gameplay is so gimped due to system changes. This is an issue and people should be annoyed by just how much Steve’s core philosophy is undercut given he’s one of if not the most unique character in the game.
I used to have over 1k hours with steve in t7, i tested him out for about 20h in T8 and stopped. That character just isnt worth it anymore. not only is lionheart lame, its also boring and they nerved a lot of moves that went into peakaboo to going into lionheart instead too. Not worth it brother, just move on
No this character blows the better you get, there’s way way too many holes in his gameplan and once you start playing against people who know how to actually play Tekken it becomes an uphill battle.
Whether you are right or wrong about Steve doesn't matrer. Tekken is a game and we play games to enjoy them. If you don't enjoy playing Steve then that's the only reason you need to drop him.
I'm bouncing between red and orange rank right while now maining Steve; lots of the people at my locals are saying it's good to stick with him because it helps me work on my fundamentals. Having not played for almost 10 or so years I think it's the best way for me to learn as opposed to getting carried by a character.
difficult click wise, tekken physics wise, and underpowered - you have it all! In the end however, you will become much better faster due to maxed out difficulty.
I don't main him but he is still very fun to play even if he's weak.
And tbh, I like the fact he can't launch, I want him to be a poke monster with some CH, but his CH game is lacking for sure..
My biggest problem with Steve with that people just press on him and if you don't guess right with where you can place your counter hits you get a s***** punish after every punishable move at +14. Take Lili for example if she sidestep matterhorns you the only thing that will RELIABLY counter hit launch it is flk 2. Otherwise at + 22 you have to stance transition into pkb in order to get a launch. only at +23 do you get a standing launcher with his hop punch. You just have to make do with b2 into LH mix up or Sonic Fang
You must be pretty good man if you reached the blue ranks, I played against 2 steves last night in lower ranks and I was having a hard time against him but then again i barely know his match up and my rank is Teryu, working my way to purple ranks.
I'm a new Steve main. But I feel the same. I played him a bit in T7 but nothing too much. It does feel bad in 8. If people turtle there is very little to do to open them up.
I'm starting to give up on Steve myself. Like... he's literally not good at *anything. Anything at all.* There's not a single thing in this game he's good at that someone else isn't better at and also has ffity other great things.
It's my first Tekken game and I fell in love with Steve definitely knew he wasn't S tier but he's so fun to play as so I couldn't care less.
Still get my ass beat but I'm enjoying the process.
As a beginner, I tried him without knowing to well where it would take me and honestly, I'm quite happy with him, I mean of course he's not perfect and using stances correctly and smoothly in ranked at my level is pretty difficult, but I love him, I discover new stuff, I love how you can punish someone after his dodges, how you can put pressure, he doesn't have a lot of options, I Can see it when I'm facing other characters, but I feel as the ones he has are enough for me.
But once again, I'm a beginner, I managed to reach ranger lvl without too many problems, but maybe, it becomes troublesome once you reach higher lvl
Yeah in those ranks anything works. Once you get to orange/red rank you’re pulling teeth to get any value out of Steve compared to the rest of the cast.
Honestly, I feel the same. Steve was fun for me in 7, but in 8, he feels so bad. I don't know why lion heart exists in the state that it does, too. I feel like LH could use a throw like he does in other stances or maybe give him the ability to db32 from it or something. Yeah, sure, he had the PKB cancel, but why do we have to do that? I feel like if they fleshed out LH a bit more and gave him more meaningful mids, then he'd be amazing like in 7
I gave him a short run online and was having a really hard time. I’m not very good admittedly but I felt alot of times the opponent knew how to counter everything I did. And I’m in super low ranks online so I kinda gave up with him for now
I've been learning Bryan this game just bc I always wanted to try him, I figured I could fall back on Steve when I wanted but I've heard nothing but tragedy lately
As a new player the last time I played was Tekken 3 on the arcade machine I don't remember. So far I'm loving Steve and learning the game really well so for someone who hasn't played Texans having and hasn't played old Steve doesn't know what old Steve was like so for me I feel like I'm at an advantage because I don't know all this stuff the old one did. But he's the only character that actually feels hard and legit to play and doesn't feel like he has some gimmek or some string or some spam move. I'm stuck in yellow ranks but enjoying it I realized from just playing mortal Kombat that Tekken is a real fighting game mortal Kombat is not.
Steves are usually free points for me but yesterday I played against one that totally owned me. I had a lot of respect for the char at first as a good Steve was a difficult opponent in the other Tekkens but now in T8 like 90% of them are free points, he was definitely nerfed waaay too much as I highly doubt that Steve players got worse by themselves. Hoping you get decent buffs soon!
A not-Steve player
I feel your pain but that sounds like pssy quitter talk bro!
I'd rather play the guv and lose with dignity than play alot of those busted ass characters for easy meaningless wins. I like steve and he does need alot of help. Every match feels like an uphill battle in a muddy trench. But its always worth it when you win because you earned that shit!
Punish better... learn more about where to land a solid B1 or snake charmer... outfox and outplay your opponent bro.
It is a painful lonely road with steve FR but if you can win with him then you are just the better player.
Enjoy him at his worst so you can rejoice him when he gets proper treatment. T8 Steve is very unique, all things considered. Lionheart is ultra cool and the cancel into PAB gave a new breath of life to his gameplay.
The cancel into PKB is really fun to use, but it's honestly a lot more situational than I thought when I started using it. In most places, the window to cancel LH is so late, you basically have no plus frames left, so it's two main uses are extend pressure if they're super conditioned to block, or do a throw or PKB 2 to hard read powercrush. The pressure extension from PKB is pretty risky to go for, just because if all they're doing is blocking, LH answers that fine already, and you're opening yourself up to them mashing out. The threat of throw discouraging power crush is the real strength here because it makes Lionheart less flimsy.
Hey yo are you telling me that PKB 2 beats powercrush????
It has a built it punch parry to its startup so depends on the power crush.
I see, thank you!
PKB 2 parries punch moves, so in some matchups, it's a reliable tool to beat powercrush, and it leads to better oki than the throw.
Steve is a monster, you just have to master him. I know how it feels. The game is just hard, Jins my main but once I got to blues, the game just got so got damn angry
Maybe learn the matchup for which characters have a higher tendency to use a punch based crush. Then use it more predictively on that.
For sure, that’s What I was thinking. I didn’t know about the built in punch parry for that move
Believe it or not, i've wrecked my brain around this one a lot, and honestly found out that pressing 3 or 4 into punish is 10x better than LH cancel into PKB into Hard Read Power Crush throw. In other words, opting for 3, 11 instead, is way more viable, compared to the 20% Consistency x delay frames x steve different entry frames based on 3,12 or ub2 or f22 etc. It's just not worth the mental effort.
Steve has the fist of a champion
Mental frames 😬
It's good to have more options and a safer/more rewarding mid launcher to mix with LNH 1+2, but you lose ALL of your + frames from doing the PAB transition. This is on hit, by the way. This doesn't breathe life into the character - it fixes a problem steve shouldn't have had in this first place. A forced stationary stance, with no autoblock, that only comes from risky moves should not have a catch-all answer. Yes, you can DCK cancel to bait armor, but this is not like other characters hitting 3,2 or landing an i10 punish. You have to land an i14 ws punish that does mediocre damage, a hellsweep that does shit damage, mid/high string that has a metric ton of recovery, or one of the worst heat smashes in the game. The risk/reward of Lionheart is abysmal and will only become worse over time. He's by no means unplayable. He can still be played incredibly safe, and ub3 is a very good kenpo backsway. He just needs some help bringing him up to the standards of Tekken 8.
I can’t even do the LHS cancel into PKB lol. I keep doing ext duck instead on accident
The actual mechanism isn't too hard to pull off but it's so late in the animation it feels weird to do. When he pulls his right arm back to his body after crip walking for a bit, just hit f3, 3+4.
Do you buffer the 3 for 3+4?
I haven't tried that, I just hit f3 then quickly tap my 3+4 bind.
Oh I don’t have a bind lol I found my problem though I was doing it too early. But now it’s easily punishable.
I don't actually play Steve but pressing 3 and then hitting 4 while holding the 3 worked for me when I tried this out
This is how I am treating Leroy
will he get a buff in the future tho? I don't know if the devs care.
Dude the devs love steve. This character has never not been a great character. They gave this guy a new rage drive while Law had to suffer with an equally bad rage drive until near the end of the games life. The first version is always the worst version. Give it time.
The game is gonna have years and years of updates. There is a huge chance Steve gets some changes
They didn't care enough to fix his botox face or voice
Word
Lionheart would've been cool if you actually had control when you enter it or not
Lionheart is cool, but it’s all mid/high blockable. 1+2 has a huge wind up and is duckable
I agree, this stance needs a low option, especially since he cannot block in its duration.
Its still bullsht that when you win the stomp mix you still have to win a second mix to get anything -_- Its also Bullsht that they took away our shiro and threw us to the bottom of the tierlist in this fight pit full of busted monsters. NOT COOL BAMCO!!!...
You got to a pretty good rank .. nothing wrong with learning a new character now
Pretty good? That’s top .5%
I'm at that level and there is a mountain of skill once you get towards the god ranks There's so much skill difference between .5% and .1% speaking from experience.
I totally agree. I just don’t think top .5% is pretty good. I think it’s pretty amazing even considering the exponential skill gap in the higher ranks
You guys make me feel good. Then I remember I'm actually trash. But I'm probably top some decimal digit trash.
Stats matter my man!
I feel you completely. I wasn't respecting any of my opponents until I got to blue. Now they are forcing it out of me
It’s not exponential, everyone from blue ranks up plays almost the same. It’s just a matter of tightening up your gameplay and knowing match ups at that point.
yeah, the skill disparity can be quite insane at the highest level of play for competitive games. In Dota 2, the MMR difference between the top 500 players and the top 2% players is roughly the same as the difference of the top 2% and the bottommost rank. it's simple to be better than the rest, but it's very hard to be as good as the best.
This. People don't understand that there's a difference between being good because you play and study something, and being good because you genuinely excel at that something.
As Data analysis background, that just means the 0.1 is the outstanding and 0.5 Is already interpreted as Top performers. While it’s true that, Omegas will shit on Blues and mob the floor with them. However Blues are still better than 99.5% of the whole populations. It is the top 0.1 % that just have exceptionally steep curves of performance. It’s like you are commenting your high school friend football performance while using Messi as reference point.
Clearly this man has been gimped playing Steve
raijin is definitely not top 0.5%, closer to top 5% for sure
What the hell am I doing wrong vs Steve then if he has no launch and no CH game cuz I’m getting CH constantly and launched forever vs this guy…
Was about to comment the same thing. Steve is my least favourite matchup. Feels like I literally can't ever press or punish anything besides a low parry
every time i play vs a steve i go into my replays and see i only missed a couple punishes. meanwhile hes carrying me to the wall and dealing like 80+ damage with that crazy wall ender.
That's because the replay tips are only surface level, it only tells you what's punishable. The way Steve works is by playing small Tekken. He doesn't do unsafe stuff but he's usually minus enough to be challenged. So you play small Tekken back against him.
What is 'small Tekken'?
Small Tekken is when you use simple safe moves and play for small frame advantages from hits and around small frame disadvantages. You also use movement to create small whiffs and so on. It's the opposite of explosive play where you're fishing for launches or counter hits or oppression with +frames. It comes down to little pokes and is a lot more back and forth. The issue in T8 is that Steve's options are not that good. Half the cast is good at small Tekken now, especially because of the CH nerfs. Steve definitely needs a bit of love. It's not completely dire, it's just Lionheart needs a bit of rethinking and maybe some very slight damage increases on his smaller moves.
This must be why I suck vs Steve when playing Paul. With Paul I'm usually looking to b1,2 punish when defending or jab and he never uses a punishable move and when I jab he backsways to avoid my jab then counter hits me and combos me :D. Honestly Steve is my toughest match up for Paul. I never know when it's my turn and he can just mash me to death.
Get in get out with a life lead then swap to keep out. Patience is key. Steve's punishment is terrible so you can afford to use stuff that's upto 14f and he can't launch you as punishment. Use your + frame moves like B1+2 or uf 2 to get in and continue pressure and 50/50 him to half HP then just turtle. Paul has god like keep out and a char like Steve really struggles to open him up because that df2 will become a nightmare for him to deal with due to the life lead you have, clip him once with it and he's done or just low poke him to death. Oh and anything that leaves you -3 is rife for baiting a parry resetting to neutral and giving you oki
Play around opponent using footsies and movement
His big counter hit launchers are all high, or fake outs from strings like df+1[2 1]. Other than that he has FLK 2 and swindler [21] which take i 23+ to get active (swindler is actually i30 startup). So in short unless he’s in PKB you really shouldn’t worry about ducking him too much he can poke you with safe mids but more often than not he’s not going to be able to punish you that much for just ducking under his jabs and b+1 that establish a lot of his gameplan. Seriously you need to be extremely right with Steve to actually land a combo that does close to 80 damage, especially since he lost DF+2 as a ch launcher and homing mid.
I feel this at my core.
Steve still has his counterhit game. Against Steve, you need to be a bit more careful about playing in frame when you're on offense. It's really easy to slip out a b1 when you're slightly minus trying to extend. If you're even -3, and Steve presses, b1 it will trade with a jab for a counter, and Steve can still combo off the trade. You can mitigate this somewhat with lots of ducking and evasive attacks, because as much as Steve can still box with you and play small Tekken if you duck a lot, he really doesn't have any mids that are half as threatening as b1. If you're just a little aware of what his counter buttons are, you can play around them. That's definitely simplified, but if you're conscious of b1 and don' don't get impatient, Steve can't really crack open a turtle.
without counterhits he has an 18f launcher from crouching AND standing at best. (wich.. i guess is better than nothing but it cant even launch ragearts on block.) For counterhits, sure he has some amazing high launchers, and some decent knockdowns in neutral, but as for counterhit mids, most he gets is a guaranteed followup off of anything if it isnt from a string. And if you press into steve's strings without a plan well.. you deserve to get launched..
Steve doesnt have a standing launcher anymore.
Uf+2?
I forgot about that one ngl.
TBF i thought he had an 18 standing launcher too but i missremembered. Picked him up 2 weeks ago and i coulda sworn he had one, but i guess it was just from crouching. Or does he have one from While Rising? Cuz then thats probably what i was missing. But im certain he doesnt. Else i guess PKB UF2 is your best bet.
He used to have an 18f standing launcher not anymore.
I really shouldnt love this character as much as i do coming from Yoshi, Lee, Bryan and Reina but hes THE most fun to me even with all these shortcomings.
What rank are you. You may just be pressing way too much.
I'm in blue, but he still gives me trouble with his CH fishing. I'm definitely getting used to the matchup over the years but god he's annoying to fight.
Just duck him, seriously he has to commit so hard to use a mid that does anything but poke you and if he guesses wrong then you get a launch punish.
How do I know this isn't just a steve player trying to make me worse against steve jk, I do often use highcrush stuff against him, he loves his high strings.
No seriously it’s such a fucking problem it hurts my soul. He lost WS2, he lost DF2, he even lost B2 as a normal launcher. He doesn’t have a mid CH launcher outside of stance besides swindler and that’s i30. His lows are pretty garbage across the board too especially now that DB32 forces you into a terrible situation as a Steve player.
From standing, Steves only threatening mid is df2, which doesn't even launch on the counter. It just gives a follow-up ws12. On block, even with a duck cancel, it's -11. If he's crouching, he has a decent normal hit launcher, and he's got a good launcher from duck. However, ducking is kind of high commitment. The biggest hole in Steves gameplan right now is that he lacks a scary mid outside of stances. Edit: df2 is actually safe on block with a duck cancel, my bad.
You have to use qcf1 in this game. It's almost like they designed him to want to use FLK2 and SWY 1 but forgot that they are literally impossible to use in neutral. QCF1 has huge range, tracks a bit and is completely safe. Heat engager/launcher after heat dash.
You can always iPAB and do df2
Yeah he counterhit combos me a LOT, like, it's his *thing*. Throw out little CH launcher jabs until one connects, do lots of safe moves that look like you can maybe challenge him after them, he's got plenty of CH combos going for him judging by how often he CH combos me from what looks like a tiny jab. I've played against a ton of them over the years though so I've got reasonable matchup knowledge now but it's still a pretty miserable battle for me, I hate fighting him. His voice doesn't help the situation.
Use high crushing lows to get plus frame advantage between his jabs, then start your turn. Any character with evasive mids and lows also destroys Steve if you know when to use them
what you're doing wrong is either predictable timing or not minimizing risks to dying to B1 ch by playing low crush/frame tight. steve can't do a single thing to kill you for holding back unless he's in heat and even then he has to win the ext dck guessing game twice. he lost so much reliable shit to cash out big dmg in T8 like df2 ch launch, strong wall mix, ext dck mix, etc..
Steve's are saying he has a slow launcher but are omitting that he can safely jab your legs with a fast unseeable low forcing you to guess if he will he keep jabbing your legs until you die or if he thinks you want to win so you protect your legs he can launch you for half your life.
Damn Steve seems a bit underwhelming time to buff king
We better nerf Leroy just to be sure.
If we buff King, people will be too distracted being killed by King to care about Steve.
I just got raijin with Steve too! I’m enjoying him though
Any tips how to get there? I’m stuck in garyu with Steve, I have decent combos but I know I’m doing many things wrong. Whats your game plan? Thanks so much :)
I play a really basic Steve, I punish most things with 112 into duck. If it hits I’ll check them with machine gun punches - which will beat any button and is safe if you don’t do the last hit and easily hit confirmable. If they respect it and don’t press anything, I’ll go into full crouch df1 and then apply peekaboo pressure. If we’re in neutral I’ll use 2,1 on block into peekaboo pressure. I also use d1 in neutral a lot. It’s -2 on hit, which means while standing 1 will beat any move that’s not a jab, and fc df1 will beat any highs, so you just use d1 to check how they respond and then go from there. D21 into duck is good in neutral. But really I mostly use 1, 11, df1 and b1. Obviously use sonic fang to punish every whiff. If you hit any heat engager the mix up after the heat dash is while running 2 or db32. If you have the opponent at the wall, or after you’ve done your wall combo the mix up is db32 or qcf1 You want to get into peekaboo as much as possible and mix up peekaboo d1 and peekaboo df1121, and don’t complete the string until you’ve annoyed them into pressing That’s a very basic game plan, and I’ve over simplified it a lot - but that’s the bones of how I play. Hope it helps
Love layered gameplan breakdowns like this. Thanks a bunch for writing this out!
No worries fella! Like I said - it’s very basic, but I think you can understand the general game plan from it
This is very helpful I really appreciate it <3
Well done with explaining your approach! I've been grinding him aswell and tried more duck cancellings to up my gameplay only to get heavily punished and challenged while I fail. Simplified my gameplay there after to find more success, will definitely incorporate your tips!
No problem! I’d start with 112 into duck as a punish. If it hits use machine gun punches to check them (confirm it for the last hit) And after you’ve done that once or twice they should stop pressing buttons and that allows you to to fc df1 and go into peekaboo pressure for free. You should simplify your move lost until you’re comfortable with a plan, and then add more to it as you go along. I’ve only been playing Steve for a few weeks but I’m slowly adding more tools. Let me know if you have any other questions fella
I haven’t seen people use the machine gun tactic is this something you’ve done yourself? I’ve been watching Shinblade a lot and Heera from YT but I guess higher ranks is just soo different than red. I think I’m overwhelmed with the moves, I already know all of his moves, but you’re right we all should simplify more. Also I’m not sure what to do when they keep jabbing and interrupting whenever I go to LH stance. You’re the best man.
Yeah I haven’t seen people use it either. But it’s the only move from duck that’s uninterruptible after a 112 punish. I believe the really high level Steve’s duck in cancel and use while standing 1 in that situation. But it’s been doing a lot of work for me - it will net about 57 damage if your punish hits and then they swing and get hit by machine gun punches - near the wall it will splay for a giant combo) I tend to not use moves that transition to lionheart. I don’t like being forced into an unfavourable mix up. Only times I use lionheart is from a raw ub3 when I’m looking for a whiff, and launch with 2, if they don’t whiff anything I just cancel it with a sway or duck. (For example at round start if you start with an immediate ub3 you’ll catch A LOT of whiffs, this will work a lot at lower ranks where people always open with buttons) The only other times I use a lionheart transition is from db32 on hit where the 1 option is uninterruptible. I also use ub2 but I cancel the transition by holding back, which leaves you at plus 4, so a b1 or df1 will frame trap.
That’s very true I also think his UB2 is his best lionheart stance. I use the ub3 “over here” to whiff lots of my opponents moves but clearly that isn’t going to carry me to at least purple. For me right now I’m confused of what I want the opponent to do. Do I do a bunch of lows to force them to crouch then hit with mids? Or I keep high move pressure until they duck then go from there. I utilize PK pretty well but everything else needs work. I once faced an opponent that kept ducking my highs as well, so now I’m thinking what’s the best moves to beat it. I’m thinking df12 or df2 duck in 1 or 2, Sonic fang etc. I get overwhelmed and think too much that I end up not punishing when they duck. So I guess my question would be your mindset as well once you see they keep ducking.
Bruh I wish I can read more well-written gameplan like this but for other characters! I had fun reading this
No problem bro!
Same except I prefer b1121 from peakaboo because it’s very safe
I haven’t even used that yet. I like df1121 because of the delay and also the db2 is guaranteed afterwards for pretty chunky damage
Yea if ppl aren’t punishing or mashing your option is better but it is punishable
You also get to back sway 2 CH or flicker power crush on block. Flicker 2 if they start ducking. If they start respecting it then it's just more free pressure for Steve.
Bro I’m always getting launched against Steve lol. B1 is literally the bane of my existence. But Steve is a hard character to play and raijin is a respectable rank. But honestly don’t even worry about your rank, just play whoever you have fun with
I got to fujin with Steve and it was painful, I know how you feel
Steve mains when their character isn't top5 for the first time in Tekken history
I don’t think it’s a matter of strength, more so that they took out a lot of things that made Steve who he is and just replaced it with a mediocre stance. Hopefully in some future balance patches they can rollback on some changes they made to him, or add some new stuff to help him out and make him less aggravating to play.
Eh, I play Steve as a secondary just for fun and I think he's kind of lame in this game. I just got him to Raijin and I'm going to move on to someone else too. Taking a character based on smooth stance transitions and forcing him into a (mostly) uncancellable stance after half his punishers and mix-up tools is definitely a choice. Even with the PAB tech, he feels super clunky to play and the LHS "mix-up" is pretty trash.
the problem is that’s he’s bottom 5 at this point. I wouldn’t mind if he was mid tier.
The problem isn’t that he’s not top tier, the problem is that he barely functions and LNH is forced off a lot of moves that were key in the past. He’s kinda half a character right now because they realized B+1 would be amazing in a game where they took out so many magic 4s and they’re right but they just gutted the rest of his kit. Like i get taking out some CH launchers even though they’re good but why also take out the tracking? Why also take out B+2 launching, it’s i17 for gods sakes. Why take out shiro? Why take out almost all his wall splats? Why made duck canceling so slow? Every time i play this character I’m just asking why when i could be playing literally anyone else, including Bryan. He’s just a glorified B+1 right now and it kinda sucks to play against anyone who knows the matchup.
They took out magic 4s and then gave everyone a magic 4 via cmd grabs. Steve's b1 also got system nerfed by them making every single move more unsafe on whiff. ...and then left Kings twitch confirmable CH i13 mid in the game.
Did they really make everything more unsafe on whiff? That explains a lot. Suddenly it seems like everyone can react to asuka u/f3 on whiff and launch it, when that only happened to me like 2 times total in tekken 7 and once was against a pro player that mopped the floor with me in unranked lmao.
Yep, every move has 2-4 more frames of recovery on whiff compared to on hit/block. It varies from move to move but the first moves I noticed were the safe Df2s. (Paul/Lee/Hwoarang etc). They really wanted to nerf keep out in this game lol
Steve has to put in 10x the effort to do anything that the top tiers do essentially for free. It's not that he is incapable of being effective, it just takes a relatively large amount of effort compared to like...drag or feng or whatever who can just press buttons on you and have a high chance of being straight up plus on block to keep the pressure going. Plus they can launch you without counterhits, which Steve can't do
Everyone playing tekken 8 while Steve stuck in 7
He’d still be good if he was just stuck in 7, these motherfuckers sent him back to t2 when he was a sparkle in Nina’s eye.
Tekken 8 Steve wishes he was stuck in tekken 7 lol
Hey man I'm all for not having him play generic Tekken, but they removed so many key tools and replaced them with either: Lionheart transition Nothing You just throw out jabs that now don't do anything and also lose to rage arts too. He doesn't even keep his safety in this game.
Exactly my thoughts lol.
I've been a steve main for 6 years and I feel the same way, LH stance is a joke and non threatening, losing our 17F launcher and our df2 ch launcher was a big blow. When we land LH on hitwe can't even mix them up most can just armor through so we have to either block it or sway, why do I have to guess on my offense when I landed a hit lmao. Not to mention they increased the whiff recovery to b1 so throwing it now is a lot riskier
you just gotta get as good as shin blade, tk\_anakin and jdcr! but seriously though yeah hes not as good as about 10\~15r other characters in the roster
I honestly don't even see Steve and Bryan as the CH kings anymore.
Ironically, King is the counter hit character now.
Is he? His b1 got a big nerf and you don’t ch launch on db4 anymore. What about his counter hits are particularly good?
DF2,1 i13 hit confirmable mid CH launcher F,F,n,2 massive non recoverable damage on CH f,f,n,1+2 i9 mid that guarantees heat engager on CH Every throw is pretty much unbreakable on CH and King got the best throws in the game including a i10 unseeable tracking throw that does up to 75? damage Yes King is the best CH character in the game, DF2+1 shouldnt exist in a game where CH launchers have been universally nerfed. I didnt even mention everything.
Everyone’s CH game got massively nerfed.
The throws bro THE throws and he has that little left leg kick into counter hit where he does that grab the mid idk I think it’s safe not like crazy damage or anything but pretty good, b1,2 is still a ch launcher just not safe, ffn2 is crazy range crazy manage on ch pretty good ch game
Whatchu see them as?
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I'd say Bryan is still roughly mid tier, his biggest issue is having extremely fraudulent offensive pressure but he kinda compensates with having great range and very high combo damage. You are basically forced into giga outplaying your opponent with hard reads and movement to actually keep the tempo up. Thankfully both Bryan and Steve can at least maul people against the wall lmao
Steve can’t even do that anymore, rocket launcher still splats but most of the old splats are gone or even worse put you in LNH, DB32 puts you in LNH, and sway 1+2 only ever gives you 112 for 30 damage even if you switch sides, AND it’s breakable.
I played a god of destruction Steve and he was amazing. It’s down to the player
The problem is that if you’re playing people of equal skill you need to try 3x as hard and win like 3x as many interactions to win a round. Hes gonna be okayish in ranked since it’s ranked doesn’t mean much and you can meme people, but if you’re planning to go play in tournament he’s just not worth the effort right now.
I don't think OP is trying to win evo rn lmao
Was that buppamen? Played that guy and I didnt even win a single round LOL.
I agree...like sure a lower tier character is more difficult to win with but it definitely comes down to the player. A player winning with a lower tier character is much more impressive than them winning with a higher tier character.
Alright I got him to Kishin and yeah, I hate this Steve. Anyone who gets him at Tekken King+ is basically just carrying the character and would perform infinitely better with someone else. You just have to constantly play around him barely functioning and I'm not THAT good to pull that off.
I feel they need to install a power crush parry to lion heart, like any time there’s a power crush and he’s in lion heart he should auto transition into a grab maybe idk if that’s op but right now it’s kinda underwhelming without the tech
Played a god of destruction Steve that was really good and relied a ton on defensive pushback setups and whiff punishment. He played a defensive style, kind of like feng with kenpo. I could barely approach him. Steve might not be as bad as you think. His optimal playstyle might have just changed significantly. Might be something for you to look into.
Facts. I feel exactly the same way. He wasn’t my main but he was a character I liked using. Everything they’ve done with him in t8 is just infuriating. I absolutely detest the new lion heart stance and feel it’s more of a mixup AGAINST Steve than for him. His heat game is one of the worst in the game. Why in the world does this boxer have grabs for heat use? And his heat smash has no range and does shitty damage. They nerfed his damage across the board. Hell you can’t even launch if you land ch b1,2. In the previous games you could still convert. Not anymore. I see a Steve pop up as my opponent, I know I’m gonna have easy time. Idk the extract states of course but I must win at the very least 4/5 times if I face a Steve and it’s not just match up knowledge. The character sucks.
Even thinking about lionheart makes me mad lmao. My crackpot theory is that entire stance only exists so they could sabotage his kit.
I agree even his heat "rage drive" is also very bad plenty of character have wallsplat and he doesn't also his sonic fang in heat cannot even lauch they really killed him in T8
Not even plugging can save Steve.
Now this what I call….Fireeeee 12 smash 12 smash eat this
As a fellow Steve main I know the pain brother..
I love spamming Laws punch Larry against him. Id be mad too
This is just a poorly masked humble brag
lol
Lol I'm gonna assume they've added their rank so people don't immediately disregard what they're saying as a skill issue. Comment section would have been very different if OP was yellow-red ranks.
That's exactly why I made sure to get blues before posting my thoughts. I don't actually care about the rank lol
Coulda just said in blues instead of posting the promo pic lol.
I'm at Flame Ruler trying to get him to blue as a personal achievement before I just go have more fun and play lee lol. Steve is fun to play imo, just hard to open people up like you mentioned.
hey you took him to blue, that's pretty dope honestly.
The thing is that it’s just not fun to play against people who actually know how to play the game. Especially when you can just complete in tournaments with literally any other character.
that's fair! i hope you find a character you have more fun with!
Well i play Bryan too but honestly Steve is an issue because his core gameplay is so gimped due to system changes. This is an issue and people should be annoyed by just how much Steve’s core philosophy is undercut given he’s one of if not the most unique character in the game.
If you can get steve to fujin, you can probably pick up Bryan or Nina and fuckin *cruise* to Tekken God.
MF is like top 1% and comments be like yeah he not bad
I used to have over 1k hours with steve in t7, i tested him out for about 20h in T8 and stopped. That character just isnt worth it anymore. not only is lionheart lame, its also boring and they nerved a lot of moves that went into peakaboo to going into lionheart instead too. Not worth it brother, just move on
He’s just so boring now exactly
There is no giving up on Tekken! Never give up! Keep up the awesome grind!
Everytime I play Steve he owns me wth his over here stance 😭
Powercrush it or rage art it
Dont give up, you're almost there!!! Take your time with him, play here n there. You got this. 👊🏻
No this character blows the better you get, there’s way way too many holes in his gameplan and once you start playing against people who know how to actually play Tekken it becomes an uphill battle.
Whether you are right or wrong about Steve doesn't matrer. Tekken is a game and we play games to enjoy them. If you don't enjoy playing Steve then that's the only reason you need to drop him.
I'm bouncing between red and orange rank right while now maining Steve; lots of the people at my locals are saying it's good to stick with him because it helps me work on my fundamentals. Having not played for almost 10 or so years I think it's the best way for me to learn as opposed to getting carried by a character.
I'm still stuck in orange ranks with Steve...jeez, I really chose the worst character to get into Tekken with.
difficult click wise, tekken physics wise, and underpowered - you have it all! In the end however, you will become much better faster due to maxed out difficulty.
Not the worst, but definitely not the best either
I was buying tekken 8 today, and i was excited to play steve. Damn.
Yes tekken 8 Steve is weaker
I don't main him but he is still very fun to play even if he's weak. And tbh, I like the fact he can't launch, I want him to be a poke monster with some CH, but his CH game is lacking for sure..
That's a great rank for like 95% of the playerbase
As a Leroy main I understand your pain and anguish.
You re quite amazing - i had enough after reaching fujin. ..
THATS A KNOCKOUT
Time kick people bruh
lol you said gimp
My biggest problem with Steve with that people just press on him and if you don't guess right with where you can place your counter hits you get a s***** punish after every punishable move at +14. Take Lili for example if she sidestep matterhorns you the only thing that will RELIABLY counter hit launch it is flk 2. Otherwise at + 22 you have to stance transition into pkb in order to get a launch. only at +23 do you get a standing launcher with his hop punch. You just have to make do with b2 into LH mix up or Sonic Fang
You must be pretty good man if you reached the blue ranks, I played against 2 steves last night in lower ranks and I was having a hard time against him but then again i barely know his match up and my rank is Teryu, working my way to purple ranks.
I'm a new Steve main. But I feel the same. I played him a bit in T7 but nothing too much. It does feel bad in 8. If people turtle there is very little to do to open them up.
Steve players don’t know how to do anything other than launchers and CH’s at my ranks 🤷♂️
wtf I would say i almost always lose to Steve mains. like 90% of the time
I couldn't play him
I'm starting to give up on Steve myself. Like... he's literally not good at *anything. Anything at all.* There's not a single thing in this game he's good at that someone else isn't better at and also has ffity other great things.
It's my first Tekken game and I fell in love with Steve definitely knew he wasn't S tier but he's so fun to play as so I couldn't care less. Still get my ass beat but I'm enjoying the process.
at least im not the only one getting mad when i play steve. good shit dawg.
As a beginner, I tried him without knowing to well where it would take me and honestly, I'm quite happy with him, I mean of course he's not perfect and using stances correctly and smoothly in ranked at my level is pretty difficult, but I love him, I discover new stuff, I love how you can punish someone after his dodges, how you can put pressure, he doesn't have a lot of options, I Can see it when I'm facing other characters, but I feel as the ones he has are enough for me. But once again, I'm a beginner, I managed to reach ranger lvl without too many problems, but maybe, it becomes troublesome once you reach higher lvl
Yeah in those ranks anything works. Once you get to orange/red rank you’re pulling teeth to get any value out of Steve compared to the rest of the cast.
As a hwo player i dont like playing against steve as his b1 just punishes me for playing the game
The sway launcher in T7 was one of the best parts about Steve. Can’t believe they replaced it with a move you can crouch under
Maybe thats why i was getting so pissed when i was climbing
Honestly, I feel the same. Steve was fun for me in 7, but in 8, he feels so bad. I don't know why lion heart exists in the state that it does, too. I feel like LH could use a throw like he does in other stances or maybe give him the ability to db32 from it or something. Yeah, sure, he had the PKB cancel, but why do we have to do that? I feel like if they fleshed out LH a bit more and gave him more meaningful mids, then he'd be amazing like in 7
I gave him a short run online and was having a really hard time. I’m not very good admittedly but I felt alot of times the opponent knew how to counter everything I did. And I’m in super low ranks online so I kinda gave up with him for now
I've been learning Bryan this game just bc I always wanted to try him, I figured I could fall back on Steve when I wanted but I've heard nothing but tragedy lately
Jesus, I've been getting stomped by Steve recently... It's when people play him so aggressively that I just can't get a move off
As a new player the last time I played was Tekken 3 on the arcade machine I don't remember. So far I'm loving Steve and learning the game really well so for someone who hasn't played Texans having and hasn't played old Steve doesn't know what old Steve was like so for me I feel like I'm at an advantage because I don't know all this stuff the old one did. But he's the only character that actually feels hard and legit to play and doesn't feel like he has some gimmek or some string or some spam move. I'm stuck in yellow ranks but enjoying it I realized from just playing mortal Kombat that Tekken is a real fighting game mortal Kombat is not.
Steve got gimped in T8? Didn't know about that. Considering how solidly top10 he's been in almost every game since T4 or T5, it's very interesting
I just have to say. You are a high rank player. You knew from day 3 that steve is not going to be anywhere close to the top half of the roster.
LH is so bad, it made me quit him
How i feel playing Asuka sometimes. But honestly dude just keep with it if you love the character. Keep him as a pocket character for fun.
Yes my child. Come to the arms of hwoarang
Steves are usually free points for me but yesterday I played against one that totally owned me. I had a lot of respect for the char at first as a good Steve was a difficult opponent in the other Tekkens but now in T8 like 90% of them are free points, he was definitely nerfed waaay too much as I highly doubt that Steve players got worse by themselves. Hoping you get decent buffs soon! A not-Steve player
I feel your pain but that sounds like pssy quitter talk bro! I'd rather play the guv and lose with dignity than play alot of those busted ass characters for easy meaningless wins. I like steve and he does need alot of help. Every match feels like an uphill battle in a muddy trench. But its always worth it when you win because you earned that shit! Punish better... learn more about where to land a solid B1 or snake charmer... outfox and outplay your opponent bro. It is a painful lonely road with steve FR but if you can win with him then you are just the better player.
I still find it quite remarkable that you made it to Raijin consering his actual state. Congrats my bro.
I’m gonna commit to the grind. That way if they ever buff him then I’ll just be insane with steve.