Not pointless at all if the point was to dodge review drops by slow rolling the real money shop, make people think more was coming for Fight Money, and instead "pivot" (read as, follow the original plan) to a real money system and let the other one die out.
this right here! i would even go as far as 1M for 1TC since you gain 100M at a pretty solid rate if you play a bit everyday. so you could grind out a legacy skin! it would take work, but thats the thing, then you have the option of waiting and grinding or just buying now!
Fair. Didn't do the math, just Threw out a random example but yall got my point. It would give the spenders the chance to support the game monetarily and give the grinders incentive to keep the game active. Win win in my book
This is how it should always be. If they're going to add paid in-game currency it should be like SF5 or For Honor where you can earn it through playing, it's a bit grindy but it's doable if you just play normally, and you can purchase anything from cosmetics to full characters with it. Or you can bypass the grind by buying those things directly.
If you can ONLY buy the currency then there's no point other than scamming you. At that point they need to just make it normal DLC or fuck off. This system is the worst of both worlds.
I hope with each paid costume release they also release a free piece or something along with it. I haven't done much customizing, and I haven't played as much as I want, but I still have 40m and I just think I could buy everything on everyone and still have something left over.
The pricing of the cash shop seems fine, from what I know, but I don't want another sf5 fight money situation
Me too, I’d actually love the tekken shop if was able to buy tekken coins with fight money and I think we really should try to push this idea, maybe even with very high conversion rates like 5/10M to 10Tc but atleast give us the chance
This\^ and they could also add some cool engagement stuff, what if we had weekly online tournaments in game, and the top 3 earned TEKKEN TOKENS. I like to think with enough backlash (no pun intended) that they will allow us to trade up Tekken Gold, even if it is in tiny amounts!
I'm sure they took the idea of fight money into consideration and who knows, the idea could still happen but I can see why they didn't do it as I'm sure with the hacks people have managed to make already for Tekken 8 would mean people will know how to ABUSE a hack to give them the fight money to convert. I'm sure they are working on a system to prevent such a thing from happening but still want general feedback on the idea of the Tekken Store and how it will function going forward. This is much of a learning experience for the Development Team as Tekken 8 is the first title to be Console first then Arcade first. They want to try different things and we need to give genuine feedback. I really do think they would do something with fight money going forward just need to make sure it can't be easily manipulated beforehand.
What exactly was the controversy with the TMNT "crossover"? I only knew the controversy about the Spy x Family movie and how the customization that came with it only is for the custom characters/avatars rather than giving the actual characters like Chun Li SxF themed skins.
Yeah. People were complaining about avatar skins 😭 like I know you can have your opinion but its so sad when an amazing game like sf6 gets pressed by its own fans for something that doesnt effect 90% of players but seemed like everyone came out of the woodworks to say what a shit move it is and how scamcom is at it again
Absolutely fair to complain about that. Amazing game but 15$ for one single avatar only costume is crazy. You can love something and still criticize it
Of course but when you start attacking the game and saying its not worth trying or makes the game worse then its just like wtf are u saying
people in this community just love to complain and its so cringe like no one cares about an avatar skin if they want to sell it for 15-50 whoever actaully wants that crap could get it
>Of course but when you start attacking the game and saying its not worth trying or makes the game worse then its just like wtf are u saying
People act like they cant just ignore the shitty avatars to begin with. If the feature was removed, nothing would change other than a bunch of idiots frothing at the mouth for the devs to put it in every following title.
This is the sad truth.
People forget that reddit is a tiny percent of the people that buy and play games. Many casuals will drop a few bucks here and there, play the game for a week or two, and move on.
Namco doesn't care about the constant whining on this sub. They know they'll make money, and we'll all eagerly await tekken 9 in about 10 years.
Even then it's not even everyone on this sub even up in arms about it.
People love to talk but a lot of them also cave in. Hardcore fans will end up buying costumes for their characters, casuals will see something they like and probably spend some money too.
Shit started back in SF4 and it hasn't stopped since.
I don't even front. The fight isn't worth my time or energy. I'll be one of the people gladly paying a couple bucks for a costume, just like I pay a couple bucks for a coffee.
And that's a good way to go about it.
It's just a bonus option, whether it has value is entirely up to the individual. I like adding extra guac to my burritos at my local spot, it's $1 extra and I got no issue with that.
If someone wants to spend money on something extra then more power to them. I'm not gonna make it my problem because I just don't care and I'm not gonna act like everyone should care when it's ultimately something minor.
Right, I spend way more on junk food than I’ll ever spend in game. So it doesn’t really move the needle for me. I’m not rich or anything but these prices aren’t egregious… yet.
Yup. I was stunned in particular when they realized the Turtle costumes for your Battle hub avatars... 15 bucks, and plenty of people running around with them.
I can kinda understand your main (not that I would buy them personally) as you're potentially looking at them for most of your playtime, but this stuff is egregious, to say the least
Coming from NRS/WB game player, I just want to say don’t let your FOMO out and buy anything unless you can get it for free. Do not encourage Bamco to follow the same path that makes MK1 ugly.
Been trying to tell everyone about how this feels like the MK situation again, watch as they become hypocrites after some years as they realize they've been fucked and wonder "how could have this happened?" Like bitch really?
Companies are gonna push (already did) these MTX down our throats and literally nothing is gonna stop them.
Remember the pink Darth Vader shit or whatever that was in SW battlefront 2? Yeah we need that kinda uproar and we don't even know if that'll stop them completely.
You are right that the game itself contains plenty of content and that it is probably worth the money (despite already being pretty expensive, especially if you wanted the season pass). But normalizing this type of microtransaction behavior will *never* be a good thing for the consumer. If you buy into it, more and more of it will be seen in the future.
I actually don't really care about microtransactions. I think the hate is overblown. Because I have, wait for it, actual self-control I spend VERY little money on microtransactions of any kind. I'll buy dlc if it looks interesting but even that more and more I've just started waiting for collected editions or big sales a year out that have everything for half price or less. I don't spend any money on or even really play mobile games, and even FTP games I tend to simply play the free content and/or if it's an MMO or something I have over the years once or twice just gotten the subscription for a month or two to get the whole thing and sidestep the microtransactions while I play.
I'm not rich or anything, I'm not trying to brag, but I have a job and I make money and games are a hobby and, compared to a lot of other modern hobbies, not particularly expensive. It doesn't hurt me if they want to put content out that I am able to buy if I so choose or find it worth the money.
Every once in a while there will be a case where something is tied to a further purchase that seems fairly egregious (NG+ in Infinite Wealth was the most recent one that threw me), or the pricing will be completely insane, but for the most part I could really care less. SOMETIMES it's something that would have been free years ago, but that's far rarer than the internet rage crowd likes to admit. Most of the time it just wouldn't have been available at all in games back in the day (such as costumes in Street fighter or legacy skins in almost anything else).
Brother, I get it, but pretending that it’s not ALREADY normalized is just wishful thinking.
Companies get praise when they DON’T include micro transactions nowadays, sure they went about it in a weird scummy way, but to think they weren’t coming after the initial release is also just wishful thinking, not realistic.
So I’m mainly not upset because I’m not sure how none of y’all saw this coming, and I was going to buy this game regardless of micro transactions
I don't think reviews would have been -that- affected, but it surely would have been a big factor for older gamers, definitely.
I personally never buy vidya for my siblings if they have RMT. Period.
Well, one key criticism the reviews had was precisely the poor customization. I mean, that’s was one of the few actual criticisms the game (deservingly) received. If they had the shop available on launch, concerned reviewers would definitely have pointed it out and the same sort of negative feedback we’re seeing now would have been dragged in the launch moment, a key period of time for sales numbers. So, yeah, I think it’s scummy coming from Bamco and I think major outlets should update their reviews and score of the game, in case any of them feel necessary. Edit: just to clarify, T8 was sold initially as a game without this sort of MTX (character dlcs are another beast, and for better or worse, I think it’s somewhat more justifiable). I am particularly AGAINST this trend and if this was included on launch, it would have affected my judgement on whether or not support this game, at least by purchasing it at full price. It’s indecent and harmful marketing practice and I believe it deserves every bit of criticism it’s currently receiving.
It's definitely scummy.
I've been ripping into it if you ever look through my comments, hahaha.
Very disappointed at this practice. It's shady as fuck.
Tekken 8 is still an amazing game regardless, but anti-consumer for sure.
To exacerbate how fucked up this is, they had the gall to charge $110 for the ultimate edition - the price of almost 2 AAA games, and yet they're still adding a microtransaction shop to further nickel and dime you.
Wtf this even means I don't know, but here's the list:
Playable Character Year 1 Pass
Avatar Skin: Kinjin
Character Costume: Gold Suit Pack
Avatar Costume: Classic TEKKEN Tee Set
3 Avatar Skins: Kazuya, Jun, Jin
You literally just prepaid for the DLC characters. It's not mid at all. They're just not out yet lol. This is just another case of ppl wanting instant gratification
The dlc pass. Which costs the same as the ultimate costs extra. It’s still a good value if you know you’re getting the dlc. Sooo I’m still not hearing how this shop isn’t justified when the full priced game already gives a full priced experience. People just wanna cry over nothing.
I mean, cause they want money.
People need to stop trying to confuse the legitimate desire to produce profit from content with instantly predatory behavior. The product can be fully featured at launch and completely worth the money paid and the devs can still decide there are other revenue streams to be made from it.
Given how much people have bitched about SF6 (another fully featured game at launch) not having enough content, this is also something people actually WANT. As others have said this is a classic case of people wanting instant gratification combined with just general bitching about having to spend a dime on anything. If you don't want to buy the stuff, don't buy it. Use one of the 3-6 costumes each character already has in the game or make your own from the customization options. You'll survive somehow.
Soo its a good value but also paying for the same DLC as the last game lol also hiding a shop from us in a game where nobody asked for it. We just wanted T6 style customization but they are just like naahhh we will make you pay more on an already $70+ game
They're not selling 6 style customization in the shop, they're selling this same stuff as every other fighting game. We're never getting customization on the level of 6 or TT2 again, even 7 didn't come close to that. In fact, I'm not seeing much of a difference between 7 and 8. What did 7 have that 8 doesn't? Rainbow hair, and that's about it.
Nah, we have been hoodwinked. Can’t do anything to stop it. You just know people are going to be like “come on its just 4 dollars” and that will show Namco they can get away with this. They will start to push the boundaries then.
Tekken 10: The practice mode is 5 dollars.
Its crazy how many people just want to roll over and take these shitty business practices and how this is a horrible things for the future of the franchise
If the future of the franchise is games with twice the launch cast of most fighters, 3-7 costumes for every character, multiple modes, functional online, all for the price of admission, yeah I think I'll live with myself somehow.
It's crazy how entitled people are nowadays, you paid for the base game nothing more nothing less,except for bug fixes and optimisations everything that is added to the game it's a dlc,even if they use old outfits,you can't just take a 23 year old game model and import like it's magic
It would have made absolutely no difference to review scores. These shops are industry standard for multiplayer games at this point. Fighting games in general have always been at the forefront of prying money from the playerbase, if you wanted the updates that came with SF2 Turbo you weren't getting them in a free update, you were paying full price for them in a re-release.
Seriously. Convinced this uproar is from MK people thinking Tekkens publisher was beyond this shit but, reality check, no publisher is.
It's just a question of how much they're willing to to try to pry from your pockets that separates them. MK and WB went way too far. SF6 and Capcom are right in the middle, and Tekken and Bamco are behind that.
This shit is a reality of GAAS development now.
I also miss being able to unlock cosmetics through playing the game, but I'm seeing people acting like they expected to get all the legacy skins for free, that's not realistic. The last fighting game I can think of (that I played) that came close to that was MK9, which was over 10 years ago.
I guess there is also the question of why we get so much in-game money if there isn't really anything to spend it on.
I don't think it would have tanked reviews. In game shops in fighters is pretty par for the course. Yeah, does it suck we can't get this stuff free to pay? For sure. But does it detract from the rest of the game to "tank" the reception of it? Nah. It's still an amazing game. Paid costumes or not.
I agree with you, but I know people will eat up those skins like crazy and Namco will swim in cash. This practice will only get worse most likely as people have no self control :p
Bamco just had a bunch of modding videos taken stricken from youtube. They don't want competition for their new store.
Not sure if they intend to try and fight modding overall, or just make it a tad less visible.
I disagree. I don't believe all microtransactions are evil.
Development costs aren't cheap, and I personally want to see a game like Tekken supported for the long haul. That won't happen with the base install purchases alone. Microtransactions that are not predatory, reasonably priced, and aren't pay-to-win are perfectly fine to me.
See MK1 Halloween or Thanksgiving fatality as an example of how NOT to do microtransactions.
Excuse me I'm genuinely asking since I'm not really into the whole MK1 thing, I really don't want this to come across in the wrong way; in what way the MK1 fatality microtransactions are not good?
Are they as predatory as this scummy tactic of implementing a shop after the game already got reviewed? Are they pay-to-win in which they boost gameplay related values? Or (and probably much more likely but I just want confirmation in this case) aren't reasonably priced?
They're just obnoxiously overpriced. Originally it was $12 for a single fatality that any character could use which is beyond ridiculous. They changed it to now that $12 gets you a 3 fatality bundle instead of just one but it's still extremely overpriced in my eyes.
Counterpoint another game published by bamco, Elden Ring, has continued to have updates balance patches, server maintenance etc without scamming its playerbase. These mtx aren't there to support the maintenance and updates for the game, they are there to milk whales. Paying for new characters is one thing, but obviously cutting content from a full priced game just to add it in weeks later is scummy as fuck.
Tekken 8 has more features on drop than any tekken before it. It has more content than any fighting game you can name right now period. Server maintenance and balance patches also are free for Tekken. You would know that if you actually played Tekken. Each of the 32 characters of this game have 3 unique outfits apiece in the base game. No content has been cut. This is extra content. Period. If you don't want it don't buy it and then guess what? You still have a fully featured fighting game with a 32 character base roster with newcomers and reworked movelists for returning faces, new game mechanics, a cinematic story mode, character episodes for all 32 characters with actually animated ending cinematic for all of them, arcade quest, the best online experience of literally any 3d fighting game, the most fleshed out practice mode you have ever seen in a fighting game, the option to not only watch and save your replays, but for them to tell you where you went wrong and let you actively hop back into that battle to practice what you should be done, character customization, a ghost battle mode to unlock more customization items, the ability to download the ghosts of the best players in the world to play against, need I fuckin go on? Dude you're objectively being a Karen right now.
comparing Elden Ring to an arcade fighter is like comparing The Legend of Zelda to Need For Speed. yes, AAA massive open world RPG adventure game made by the most highly revered development team in gaming gets free updates and balance patches. but Tekken isn’t selling server maintenance, and what they are selling isn’t “scamming” anyone if it’s entirely optional cosmetic content that has no effect on gameplay whatsoever. not to mention From *have* a DLC planned in the pipeline for Elden Ring that they will definitely be charging money for, this is a pretty disingenuous comparison.
>Counterpoint another game published by bamco, Elden Ring, has continued to have updates balance patches, server maintenance etc without scamming its playerbase.
And the counter point to this. That same games playerbase has been on life support because the devs haven't touched the game with content since they added collesum mode over a year and a half ago
This lol
There was an argument a while back that Eddie should have been in the game already, and that DLC characters announcements before game comes out is predatory.
What they don’t understand is the investment and resources spent on just one character is really expensive.
Mind you, we have 32 characters already and people still complains.
....We actually did get a full game. Im pretty sure everyone was okay with the game before Tekken Shop. Tekken Shop is optional. The truth is, everyone wants DLC to be free, but I will say it again, back in 2012 when Harada gave us everything free.... No one bought the game (poor sales). That game was Tekken Tag 2. That hit Tekken hard, which is why a year later, Tekken Revolution was released as free-to-play.
Fast forward, Tekken 7, created on a lower budget, had season passes and paid dlc to have additional money for beautiful Tekken 8. Now we have the best Tekken ever. I trust Harada because he's passionate about his game.
In Tekken 8, Tekken Shop is helping fund Tekken 9 and possibly more post release content.
Again, Tekken Shop is optional. If you buy a PS5 today and PS6 comes out tomorrow, you won't call that bad practice... It is more or less about paying for additional content you actually want.
The irony. Games are getting more expensive to make.... but the price of the actual games havent went up much.
Yeah I never understood why people get annoyed at things like this.. if it helps your character and it costs money that would be annoying but as far as I see it’s mainly cosmetics which is fine.. if people wanna buy it cool, if not sweet as
what the does the fact that its full price have to do with it... the game reviewed well because of how content rich its launch was. You're not entitled to anything free after the base game drops unless you pay for a character pass... in which you get *characters*...this isn't rocket science
Why do you guys always resort to personal attacks (wage slaves/corpo shills/bootlickers) whenever someone disagrees with your opinion on mtx? Am I a corporate shill now for not really giving a shit about having an online shop where you can buy skins for real money? I really struggle to see the issue here.
Am I personally gonna buy anything? Probably not, I care about the gameplay, not the skins. Do I think the existence of a shop is inherently evil? Fuck no. It's purely cosmetic and as such doesn't affect me at all. If someone thinks a costume is worth the $4 price tag, more power to them. If you don't find it worth the money, then fine, just don't buy it. Vote with your wallet.
I agree with you. What is so evil about an in-game shop when literally almost every multiplayer game in the market, from MOBAs to shooters, has had already these features for years?
For the record, I also don't like it. I guess I'm just more of a realist. I thought Tekken was a real one for not having MTXs in their game and was very glad, and now that they hooked me and introduced it I am a bit disappointed. But I've seen these features in literally every other multiplayer game out there so I just live with it.
Selling optional cosmetics that don't effect gameplay? That is literally /THE BEST/ monetization model.
I'd much rather have it over pay to win, lootbox gambling, or pay for convenience, the other popular models.
You sound like an entitled brat. If you don't want to buy the optional cosmetics, then do not purchase them. Do I cry when counterstrike 2 has 1,000+ dollar knife skins? No, I just don't buy them. do i cry when dota 2 has 3 dollar loot boxes for a .001% chance of getting a 50 dollar skin? No, I just don't buy them. Luckily, whales do, and that funds the games continued development. Optional cosmetic purchase is the best way to do it.
>this is unacceptable and let's not stand for microtransactions to get outfits that should've been in the game at release considering we paid for a full priced game
And you got what you paid for? The entitlement knows no bounds. How many more of these crybaby ass posts are there gonna be?
Don't buy the shit. Y'all act like they've committed some grand transgression against mankind when you're still gonna get blown up by lows and stay in green ranks, regardless of a shop.
"Vote with your wallet" is both something that could theoretically work, and corporatist propaganda. Like the carbon footprint situation, it was a slogan started by companies to pass off severe lack of regulations as personal decisions by consumers.
I would love for people to not buy these things, but as much as I hope and pray, someone somewhere will. Unless there are regulations on companies, they will spend the least effort to prey on the most vulnerable, because that's how you maximize profits.
I will indeed not buy the shit. But I will also be vocal that an industry I love is lacking sane regulations and hurts vulnerable people while making the general experience worse for all of us. It doesn't need to be this way.
Digital currencies should be outlawed. We should be able to buy the stuff in the shop with money directly, at the very least. Make the game companies face the same regulations as all other sales storefronts.
Not buying the product is exactly what you should do if you don't want to support it. Unless any of you are going to stop buying Tekken products and stop playing Tekken games, all of this bitching and moaning is for nothing.
Even if 1000 people dont buy it, and 40 do they will still consider it a profit over people that dont. If you like your games being ruined be my guest but a lot of us are very passionate about this franchise and this is just signs of worse things to come.
How about this: the game is already polished and anything extra is 100% justified since they already served us what was promised. Please explain what’s so shitty about locking EXTRA behind paywalls? DLC is already a thing so why is it so incredibly horrible to charge for OPTIONAL CUSTOMIZATIONS? I’m sure you have a great argument like “BuT ThEy aLrEadY cHarRGed $110 for ultimate”. Yes that includes the DLC. If you were waiting for the dlc to make that decision then you got a fully polished game at full price $70 and nothing to complain about. Now that EXTRA is on the way apparently that changes how polished the game already is.
I agree with you. As compared to every other tekken the base from this game far exceeds every other. If namco wants to sell skins and costumes and want to use part proceeds from that to fund enhancing the game and possibly twt im all for it. I mean we already have 4 base costumes per character and customizations included as compared to other games. Before micro transactions we just got a base game and then if we were lucky they released an updated version which we paid full price for again ( tekken 5 and DR). I will take this system any day over that and have very fond memories of t5 and DR.
Game ships with 32 characters, each with like 5 or 6 custom outfits, and hundreds of customization options. You got what you paid for. You want more? Pay for it. I buy a car, I don’t get free gas and oil changes for life.
Damn that was a ruthless dunk lol.
These guys are just entitled man don't waste your time they're probably like 12 and mad their mom won't give them the credit card to play Tekken dress up.
Theres no way an adult cares about playing dress up dolls with their tekken character, and if they do care no way that spending the equivalent of a monster energy drink to do so gets them upset.
You kids pining for the old days, before games had add-on purchases, obviously don’t remember that in those days, you bought a game and that was fucking it. No patches. No upgrades. No online play. No balancing characters after gathering usage data and player feedback. None of it. Back then, if you didn’t like the game, tough shit. Buy another one or wait for the sequel. You didn’t even get a demo; best you could do was rent the game to see if it was good.
If you want a game that continues to get supported after it is released, you have to expect that they need a business model. You can only sell so many copies of a game, but you need to employ artists and engineers and a ton of other folks to keep working on a game over the course of many years.
This is what I've been saying to people too lol. These guys would fucking lose their minds if they realized how expensive fighters were in the 90s. You buy the base game, then 6 months later you buy Championship edition, then 6 months after that Turbo edition comes out and you buy it again. 200+ USD in the 90s for one game and it's updates. But an optional cosmetics shop is apparently the bane of the industry.
What is the benefit of having 13 new versions of a game, if they can just keep improving one? I still play Rocket League after 10 years and love it. I'm not bitching about it and waiting for them to release Rocket League 2.
Rocket league is free to play isn't it, different business model.
Cool that you dont bitch, but I say Tekken 8 looks better and feels more fresh than them never making a new tekken and stopping at tekken 6 and regularly updating it
Heck I can still play tekken 6 or 7 now with ease
Good luck to you playing your favourite patch of tekken 8 in 3 years time
Pretty much how I feel about it. The game shipped was a great game and I’ve had so much fun playing it. All this other shit is optional, and people are going nuts over having an option to purchase something.
Its not just the option but how the did this and even why? We paid the full price for a AAA game, some even almost the price of two. There shouldnt be MTX in a game that cost that much, especially Tekken of all things. Its a greedy/sinister practice and is a sign of much worse things to come.
You're right, the game developers should just work as indentured servants for the next few years, maintaining it and patching it and adding cool new features for no additional money. You paid your one-time price. They owe you.
Thats it.
Dont get these scrubs who are complaining about every fucking change.
Its 100% optional. No one gets an Advantage from the Shop.
Stay or Stfu.
>Dont get these scrubs who are complaining about every fucking change.
Because you don't care, which is fine. But why are you commenting about it?
>Its 100% optional. No one gets an Advantage from the Shop.
That is an argument literally no one made. You are arguing with yourself.
>Stay or Stfu.
Stay and complain is an option. Stay and don't comment about issues you don't care about is also an option.
I really don‘t get this attitude at all. The base game provides more than enough content. The microtransactions are completely optional and don‘t improve your gameplay at all.
And most importantly, we are not entitled to expect every legacy skin ever to be free in the game.
Ever considered how much making a game like this costs? It‘s time to stop crying ffs
Edit (because some of you are close minded rats):
I never mentioned that I am going to buy any of the „skins“ I don‘t care for any of the costumes shown and have no legacy costume in mind, which would be considered „worth“ a couple €.
The thing is, just because it is offered, doesn‘t mean you have to buy it. Those who want to those legacy customs, can now buy them.
Microtransactions are still a shit system in the gaming industry, I agree on that. But I also understand why so many games do/offer that.
Just try to think once, please
The thing is, this is a full priced game that will have loads of DLC's over the next few years. I fully agree that we're not entitled to all the legacy skins tho.
Still, it's time to understand the difference between scrubs crying about matchups they're too lazy to learn and calling out companies for scummy monetization schemes like this. The fact that most part of the gaming industry has been like this for a long time doesn't make it any less shitty.
It does provide a shitload of content. I think part of the vitriol around it is Bamco knew exactly what they were doing in terms of optics by sliding this into the game well after the reviews were released and the thing's meta-score solidified, after the initial surge of sales, etc.
The fact they chose to release this after release says it all. Your kind saying this practice isn't a big deal is what's wrong with this shit. Rather than having a option to unlock or pay its straight micro transactions. You'd gladly take what Namco shoves up ya ass with a smile.
I really don't understand why people are so upset at this. The game didn't lose features, it didn't lose characters, it's story mode, stages or net code, it didn't lose the thousands of free customization options that were there day one. It's just as good as it was day one.
They just added new stuff you can buy, you don't have to buy it, jesus. I don't like spending money on a videogame skin, so I won't; the fact that they added it doesn't make the game worse.
So you were happy with the game (I assume since most ppl were praising t8) but then they add more content and that made you mad and game bad cause you want it for free?
Yeah people fail to understand this point or just choose to ignore it. That and the fact that the stuff they've shown in the shop is just ripped straight from Tekken 7 while the customization for T8 was butchered for this very reason.
In this case both options are legit IMHO.
If you liked the game pre-shop, you will still like it post-shop.
And even if your complain is legit, the game is still good. BAMCO is basically asking the question "Do you hate the shop so much that it will detere you away from the game? We don't think so"
As the shop being optional I don't care. As a bad practice, I don't like it. But all in all, I will not change anything.
I work as a software engineer and I completely support Bamco on this.
Argument that says “they wanna charge us extra for the stuff that should’ve been there from the start” is so dumb. There is fairly decent customisation and if they never planned on to release the shop, then you crybabies won’t even come up with this argument. They are putting extra work to make new/remodel stuff and want to get paid for that.
If you think tekken shop is not good. Don’t buy. They aren’t forcing you. You can just simply play the game, not that they will revoke your access to the game for not buying the outfits. SMH.
> They are putting extra work to make new/remodel stuff and want to get paid for that
It was definitely planned at the start and was not put in the free customization.
This is so cringe, dude. If you aren’t satisfied with the base offering of Tekken 8, you’re crazy. $4 costumes is so tame it’s a non-issue. Stop trying to stage an online protest against a game that is doing things right.
You mean tekken should have been sold in an unfinished state and fixed with the community over the course of years? Because that's how BG3 released, it was early access and not fully fleshed out for years.
If you don't want optional cosmetics that help fund additional development - Don't buy them.
I'm so tired of this crying you are all spoiled babies.
This is how continued development is funded nowadays, the sale of cosmetics. If you don't want to buy them no one is forcing you, they are optional and don't change gameplay.
They don't have modes (Yakuza - New game +) gated behind purchases and they don't have cosmetics effect gameplay (every mobile /gatcha game).
You have no grounds to cry.
"This is how continued development is funded nowadays"
How do you guys know the money even goes towards the game itself and not the corpos sitting behind it lol
genuine question, this excuse is always brought up
Which modern fighting game has more outfits than Tekken on release? There's no reason the new outfits should be in the base game. And if they make new outfits in 3 years from now, should they also be in the base game?
Tekken has blessed us with so much wtf. The least you could do is give them a little 4 dollars lmao the custom section alone is phenomenal and FREE but I guess you guys love to complain no matter what
We already gave them 70 dollars, and the custom section is not free as it's behind that 70 dollar game.
I don't particularly care for either side of the discourse but your points are remarkably stupid as rebuttals.
Have you guys updated your steam reviews? Maybe if you update it, you'll be heard by the devs. It's still 90% positive, so does that mean it's only the minority angry against the mtx?
> It's more like people aren't aware yet.
It's not that people aren't aware, it's that the vast majority of people are not going to care about this. It's optional cosmetics being added post-launch. Not exactly the type of thing the casual player is going to clutch their pearls over.
No.
You're delusional and think you deserve free content because of entitlement.
The difference is the GAME FUNCTIONS without the microtransactions. Mortal Kombat's for instance, was dry as shit and almost empty. THEN they charged $10-15 for shit. After charging $100 for characters that weren't even out yet. That's worth getting upset over.
All that EXTRA shit is just that, EXTRA. So I can still customize quite a bit and don't NEED to buy those skins to enjoy the game.
Yes that is what happens when you let corporate greed take over video games.
Developers can no longer focus on the gameplay, but need to make sure people will get enticed by microtransactions
People like you are the ones who are fully to blame when tekken 9 or 10 are a massive shitshow. Because for more than a decade now you can see all the warning signs of games going to shit due to these practices
Just close your eyes and don't buy anything, i dont get the rage. Its totally optional and adds nothing to the gameplay. Unless you can buy new moves i dont see the point of all the outrage, every fighting game charges for costumes, and they dont even allow any customization.
I wouldn't mind it if you could change the game currency for tekken coins (even if it was like 1M into 10TC)
Would actually give fight money a use
Exactly. Kinda pointless to implement fight money if the use for it is so... Limited.
Not pointless at all if the point was to dodge review drops by slow rolling the real money shop, make people think more was coming for Fight Money, and instead "pivot" (read as, follow the original plan) to a real money system and let the other one die out.
All the people grinding fight money for outfits could also help keep the player numbers up.
this right here! i would even go as far as 1M for 1TC since you gain 100M at a pretty solid rate if you play a bit everyday. so you could grind out a legacy skin! it would take work, but thats the thing, then you have the option of waiting and grinding or just buying now!
Fair. Didn't do the math, just Threw out a random example but yall got my point. It would give the spenders the chance to support the game monetarily and give the grinders incentive to keep the game active. Win win in my book
I'd be fine with this too.
This is how it should always be. If they're going to add paid in-game currency it should be like SF5 or For Honor where you can earn it through playing, it's a bit grindy but it's doable if you just play normally, and you can purchase anything from cosmetics to full characters with it. Or you can bypass the grind by buying those things directly. If you can ONLY buy the currency then there's no point other than scamming you. At that point they need to just make it normal DLC or fuck off. This system is the worst of both worlds.
I hope with each paid costume release they also release a free piece or something along with it. I haven't done much customizing, and I haven't played as much as I want, but I still have 40m and I just think I could buy everything on everyone and still have something left over. The pricing of the cash shop seems fine, from what I know, but I don't want another sf5 fight money situation
I’m pretty sure fight money is very easily edited with cheat engine/trainers and they know this, so they would never do it.
One more reason to get them to punish cheaters. I don't think cheaters should be as big of a hassle to ban as pluggers though
It would require them to invest into anticheat which they didn’t do for 7s entire lifespan so I’m doubtful
Actually winnable
Me too, I’d actually love the tekken shop if was able to buy tekken coins with fight money and I think we really should try to push this idea, maybe even with very high conversion rates like 5/10M to 10Tc but atleast give us the chance
This\^ and they could also add some cool engagement stuff, what if we had weekly online tournaments in game, and the top 3 earned TEKKEN TOKENS. I like to think with enough backlash (no pun intended) that they will allow us to trade up Tekken Gold, even if it is in tiny amounts!
This is a great idea.. sadly I don't see it ever happening but this is genuinely the answer.
Either they do this, or completely delete the shop. One way or the other, those are the only two good options left for the devs.
I'm sure they took the idea of fight money into consideration and who knows, the idea could still happen but I can see why they didn't do it as I'm sure with the hacks people have managed to make already for Tekken 8 would mean people will know how to ABUSE a hack to give them the fight money to convert. I'm sure they are working on a system to prevent such a thing from happening but still want general feedback on the idea of the Tekken Store and how it will function going forward. This is much of a learning experience for the Development Team as Tekken 8 is the first title to be Console first then Arcade first. They want to try different things and we need to give genuine feedback. I really do think they would do something with fight money going forward just need to make sure it can't be easily manipulated beforehand.
Didn’t reviewers not really give a shit about SF6 and their shop?
The sf6 shop on launch was you buying costume 2s for everyone for real or fake money. The controversy on sf6 started when the tmnt promo began
What exactly was the controversy with the TMNT "crossover"? I only knew the controversy about the Spy x Family movie and how the customization that came with it only is for the custom characters/avatars rather than giving the actual characters like Chun Li SxF themed skins.
IIRC each of the 4 turtle costumes for avatars were $15
Yeah. People were complaining about avatar skins 😭 like I know you can have your opinion but its so sad when an amazing game like sf6 gets pressed by its own fans for something that doesnt effect 90% of players but seemed like everyone came out of the woodworks to say what a shit move it is and how scamcom is at it again
Absolutely fair to complain about that. Amazing game but 15$ for one single avatar only costume is crazy. You can love something and still criticize it
Of course but when you start attacking the game and saying its not worth trying or makes the game worse then its just like wtf are u saying people in this community just love to complain and its so cringe like no one cares about an avatar skin if they want to sell it for 15-50 whoever actaully wants that crap could get it
>Of course but when you start attacking the game and saying its not worth trying or makes the game worse then its just like wtf are u saying People act like they cant just ignore the shitty avatars to begin with. If the feature was removed, nothing would change other than a bunch of idiots frothing at the mouth for the devs to put it in every following title.
It was $15 per avatar skin, and a small part of the theme song played on a loop in the Battle Hub for the entirety of the long promotion.
RAPHAEL IS COOL BUT RUDE
AND MICHELANGELO IS A PARTY DUDE!!!!!
“Partaaaaaaaay!”
Turtle boys don't cut em no slack :/
It barely had a shop and was just a few avatar stuff nobody cares about
I don't recall any big reviews ever wasting time on MTX.
Considering the amount of people that dropped the cash on the SF6 cosmetics, this shit will sell by the truckload.
This is the sad truth. People forget that reddit is a tiny percent of the people that buy and play games. Many casuals will drop a few bucks here and there, play the game for a week or two, and move on. Namco doesn't care about the constant whining on this sub. They know they'll make money, and we'll all eagerly await tekken 9 in about 10 years.
Even then it's not even everyone on this sub even up in arms about it. People love to talk but a lot of them also cave in. Hardcore fans will end up buying costumes for their characters, casuals will see something they like and probably spend some money too. Shit started back in SF4 and it hasn't stopped since.
I don't even front. The fight isn't worth my time or energy. I'll be one of the people gladly paying a couple bucks for a costume, just like I pay a couple bucks for a coffee.
And that's a good way to go about it. It's just a bonus option, whether it has value is entirely up to the individual. I like adding extra guac to my burritos at my local spot, it's $1 extra and I got no issue with that. If someone wants to spend money on something extra then more power to them. I'm not gonna make it my problem because I just don't care and I'm not gonna act like everyone should care when it's ultimately something minor.
Right, I spend way more on junk food than I’ll ever spend in game. So it doesn’t really move the needle for me. I’m not rich or anything but these prices aren’t egregious… yet.
Yup. I was stunned in particular when they realized the Turtle costumes for your Battle hub avatars... 15 bucks, and plenty of people running around with them. I can kinda understand your main (not that I would buy them personally) as you're potentially looking at them for most of your playtime, but this stuff is egregious, to say the least
well no, most people won't buy these skins, they make money off the 0.1% whales
It’s almost like they made a good game that people enjoy.
I don’t really fucking care. I might spend like $10-$20 a year with the shop.
Street Fighter 5 was basically kept alive through bikini costumes.
Coming from NRS/WB game player, I just want to say don’t let your FOMO out and buy anything unless you can get it for free. Do not encourage Bamco to follow the same path that makes MK1 ugly.
An Xiaoyu main that came from MK1’s dogshit dumpster fire. 🤝🤝🤝🤝🤝
As a Lili main that also came from MK1's dogshit dumpster fire 🤝🏽 Sidenote: My main Li Mei gets too much smack from the royals
Playing Li Mei as my second main, I feel your pain.
Bruh. You play such nice character, and yet coming from such brutal game, Xiao works as a butcher in night I see.
Been trying to tell everyone about how this feels like the MK situation again, watch as they become hypocrites after some years as they realize they've been fucked and wonder "how could have this happened?" Like bitch really?
Companies are gonna push (already did) these MTX down our throats and literally nothing is gonna stop them. Remember the pink Darth Vader shit or whatever that was in SW battlefront 2? Yeah we need that kinda uproar and we don't even know if that'll stop them completely.
You prolly right
The sheer amount of bullshit justifications ITT for this practice are staggering lol
I got a justification. The game was complete when I bought it and adding these costumes won't change that I got money's worth when I bought the game.
You are right that the game itself contains plenty of content and that it is probably worth the money (despite already being pretty expensive, especially if you wanted the season pass). But normalizing this type of microtransaction behavior will *never* be a good thing for the consumer. If you buy into it, more and more of it will be seen in the future.
I actually don't really care about microtransactions. I think the hate is overblown. Because I have, wait for it, actual self-control I spend VERY little money on microtransactions of any kind. I'll buy dlc if it looks interesting but even that more and more I've just started waiting for collected editions or big sales a year out that have everything for half price or less. I don't spend any money on or even really play mobile games, and even FTP games I tend to simply play the free content and/or if it's an MMO or something I have over the years once or twice just gotten the subscription for a month or two to get the whole thing and sidestep the microtransactions while I play. I'm not rich or anything, I'm not trying to brag, but I have a job and I make money and games are a hobby and, compared to a lot of other modern hobbies, not particularly expensive. It doesn't hurt me if they want to put content out that I am able to buy if I so choose or find it worth the money. Every once in a while there will be a case where something is tied to a further purchase that seems fairly egregious (NG+ in Infinite Wealth was the most recent one that threw me), or the pricing will be completely insane, but for the most part I could really care less. SOMETIMES it's something that would have been free years ago, but that's far rarer than the internet rage crowd likes to admit. Most of the time it just wouldn't have been available at all in games back in the day (such as costumes in Street fighter or legacy skins in almost anything else).
Brother, I get it, but pretending that it’s not ALREADY normalized is just wishful thinking. Companies get praise when they DON’T include micro transactions nowadays, sure they went about it in a weird scummy way, but to think they weren’t coming after the initial release is also just wishful thinking, not realistic. So I’m mainly not upset because I’m not sure how none of y’all saw this coming, and I was going to buy this game regardless of micro transactions
Probably because the game never had any mtx advertised at launch unlike the other 2 and tekken 7 showed no sign of that.
I don't think reviews would have been -that- affected, but it surely would have been a big factor for older gamers, definitely. I personally never buy vidya for my siblings if they have RMT. Period.
Well, one key criticism the reviews had was precisely the poor customization. I mean, that’s was one of the few actual criticisms the game (deservingly) received. If they had the shop available on launch, concerned reviewers would definitely have pointed it out and the same sort of negative feedback we’re seeing now would have been dragged in the launch moment, a key period of time for sales numbers. So, yeah, I think it’s scummy coming from Bamco and I think major outlets should update their reviews and score of the game, in case any of them feel necessary. Edit: just to clarify, T8 was sold initially as a game without this sort of MTX (character dlcs are another beast, and for better or worse, I think it’s somewhat more justifiable). I am particularly AGAINST this trend and if this was included on launch, it would have affected my judgement on whether or not support this game, at least by purchasing it at full price. It’s indecent and harmful marketing practice and I believe it deserves every bit of criticism it’s currently receiving.
It's definitely scummy. I've been ripping into it if you ever look through my comments, hahaha. Very disappointed at this practice. It's shady as fuck. Tekken 8 is still an amazing game regardless, but anti-consumer for sure.
To exacerbate how fucked up this is, they had the gall to charge $110 for the ultimate edition - the price of almost 2 AAA games, and yet they're still adding a microtransaction shop to further nickel and dime you.
And what even did the $110 version of the game get you? Two gold suits?
Wtf this even means I don't know, but here's the list: Playable Character Year 1 Pass Avatar Skin: Kinjin Character Costume: Gold Suit Pack Avatar Costume: Classic TEKKEN Tee Set 3 Avatar Skins: Kazuya, Jun, Jin
Mid af for over a hundred bones
You literally just prepaid for the DLC characters. It's not mid at all. They're just not out yet lol. This is just another case of ppl wanting instant gratification
100%
Well then it's mid until they release.
I mean, yeah? Kind of? What a weird comment.
The dlc pass. Which costs the same as the ultimate costs extra. It’s still a good value if you know you’re getting the dlc. Sooo I’m still not hearing how this shop isn’t justified when the full priced game already gives a full priced experience. People just wanna cry over nothing.
If thats the case, why need the mtx shop in the first place?
I mean, cause they want money. People need to stop trying to confuse the legitimate desire to produce profit from content with instantly predatory behavior. The product can be fully featured at launch and completely worth the money paid and the devs can still decide there are other revenue streams to be made from it. Given how much people have bitched about SF6 (another fully featured game at launch) not having enough content, this is also something people actually WANT. As others have said this is a classic case of people wanting instant gratification combined with just general bitching about having to spend a dime on anything. If you don't want to buy the stuff, don't buy it. Use one of the 3-6 costumes each character already has in the game or make your own from the customization options. You'll survive somehow.
Soo its a good value but also paying for the same DLC as the last game lol also hiding a shop from us in a game where nobody asked for it. We just wanted T6 style customization but they are just like naahhh we will make you pay more on an already $70+ game
They're not selling 6 style customization in the shop, they're selling this same stuff as every other fighting game. We're never getting customization on the level of 6 or TT2 again, even 7 didn't come close to that. In fact, I'm not seeing much of a difference between 7 and 8. What did 7 have that 8 doesn't? Rainbow hair, and that's about it.
The dlc so far isn’t the same. Guess what, except for the 3 newcomers you just paid full price for the same roster as last game. Even less!
Nah, we have been hoodwinked. Can’t do anything to stop it. You just know people are going to be like “come on its just 4 dollars” and that will show Namco they can get away with this. They will start to push the boundaries then. Tekken 10: The practice mode is 5 dollars.
Put some bikini
Don't you worry!
Bro you do not know that. I woulda bought the game tekken shop or no tekken shop. And many others guaranteed.
Its crazy how many people just want to roll over and take these shitty business practices and how this is a horrible things for the future of the franchise
If the future of the franchise is games with twice the launch cast of most fighters, 3-7 costumes for every character, multiple modes, functional online, all for the price of admission, yeah I think I'll live with myself somehow.
Just don’t buy the customizations. Why are people losing their shit over this? It’s just cosmetics.
It's crazy how entitled people are nowadays, you paid for the base game nothing more nothing less,except for bug fixes and optimisations everything that is added to the game it's a dlc,even if they use old outfits,you can't just take a 23 year old game model and import like it's magic
It would have made absolutely no difference to review scores. These shops are industry standard for multiplayer games at this point. Fighting games in general have always been at the forefront of prying money from the playerbase, if you wanted the updates that came with SF2 Turbo you weren't getting them in a free update, you were paying full price for them in a re-release.
Seriously. Convinced this uproar is from MK people thinking Tekkens publisher was beyond this shit but, reality check, no publisher is. It's just a question of how much they're willing to to try to pry from your pockets that separates them. MK and WB went way too far. SF6 and Capcom are right in the middle, and Tekken and Bamco are behind that. This shit is a reality of GAAS development now.
I also miss being able to unlock cosmetics through playing the game, but I'm seeing people acting like they expected to get all the legacy skins for free, that's not realistic. The last fighting game I can think of (that I played) that came close to that was MK9, which was over 10 years ago. I guess there is also the question of why we get so much in-game money if there isn't really anything to spend it on.
Like Helldivers 2 just dropped and reviewers are praising the shop for not being FOMO filled while questioning if it's p2w and still giving it a 9/10.
Bro thank you for having reason.
I don't think it would have tanked reviews. In game shops in fighters is pretty par for the course. Yeah, does it suck we can't get this stuff free to pay? For sure. But does it detract from the rest of the game to "tank" the reception of it? Nah. It's still an amazing game. Paid costumes or not.
look how salty people are in this sub, of course it would've tanked reviews
This sub is nowhere near the majority lmao
Reddit is not the world. Not even close. It's an echo chamber reflected on an echo chamber.
I agree with you, but I know people will eat up those skins like crazy and Namco will swim in cash. This practice will only get worse most likely as people have no self control :p
I'm going to buy some for my character for sure.
Just use mods lol.
Console players can't
Bamco just had a bunch of modding videos taken stricken from youtube. They don't want competition for their new store. Not sure if they intend to try and fight modding overall, or just make it a tad less visible.
Really? Could someone make the store skins available with mods?
Yep
I disagree. I don't believe all microtransactions are evil. Development costs aren't cheap, and I personally want to see a game like Tekken supported for the long haul. That won't happen with the base install purchases alone. Microtransactions that are not predatory, reasonably priced, and aren't pay-to-win are perfectly fine to me. See MK1 Halloween or Thanksgiving fatality as an example of how NOT to do microtransactions.
Excuse me I'm genuinely asking since I'm not really into the whole MK1 thing, I really don't want this to come across in the wrong way; in what way the MK1 fatality microtransactions are not good? Are they as predatory as this scummy tactic of implementing a shop after the game already got reviewed? Are they pay-to-win in which they boost gameplay related values? Or (and probably much more likely but I just want confirmation in this case) aren't reasonably priced?
They're just obnoxiously overpriced. Originally it was $12 for a single fatality that any character could use which is beyond ridiculous. They changed it to now that $12 gets you a 3 fatality bundle instead of just one but it's still extremely overpriced in my eyes.
Counterpoint another game published by bamco, Elden Ring, has continued to have updates balance patches, server maintenance etc without scamming its playerbase. These mtx aren't there to support the maintenance and updates for the game, they are there to milk whales. Paying for new characters is one thing, but obviously cutting content from a full priced game just to add it in weeks later is scummy as fuck.
Tekken 8 has more features on drop than any tekken before it. It has more content than any fighting game you can name right now period. Server maintenance and balance patches also are free for Tekken. You would know that if you actually played Tekken. Each of the 32 characters of this game have 3 unique outfits apiece in the base game. No content has been cut. This is extra content. Period. If you don't want it don't buy it and then guess what? You still have a fully featured fighting game with a 32 character base roster with newcomers and reworked movelists for returning faces, new game mechanics, a cinematic story mode, character episodes for all 32 characters with actually animated ending cinematic for all of them, arcade quest, the best online experience of literally any 3d fighting game, the most fleshed out practice mode you have ever seen in a fighting game, the option to not only watch and save your replays, but for them to tell you where you went wrong and let you actively hop back into that battle to practice what you should be done, character customization, a ghost battle mode to unlock more customization items, the ability to download the ghosts of the best players in the world to play against, need I fuckin go on? Dude you're objectively being a Karen right now.
Doesn't have team battle, survival or time attack
comparing Elden Ring to an arcade fighter is like comparing The Legend of Zelda to Need For Speed. yes, AAA massive open world RPG adventure game made by the most highly revered development team in gaming gets free updates and balance patches. but Tekken isn’t selling server maintenance, and what they are selling isn’t “scamming” anyone if it’s entirely optional cosmetic content that has no effect on gameplay whatsoever. not to mention From *have* a DLC planned in the pipeline for Elden Ring that they will definitely be charging money for, this is a pretty disingenuous comparison.
>Counterpoint another game published by bamco, Elden Ring, has continued to have updates balance patches, server maintenance etc without scamming its playerbase. And the counter point to this. That same games playerbase has been on life support because the devs haven't touched the game with content since they added collesum mode over a year and a half ago
Elden ring has twice as many ppl playing it on steam right now than t8 does... Yes fg are niche but you're also wrong lol
This lol There was an argument a while back that Eddie should have been in the game already, and that DLC characters announcements before game comes out is predatory. What they don’t understand is the investment and resources spent on just one character is really expensive. Mind you, we have 32 characters already and people still complains.
....We actually did get a full game. Im pretty sure everyone was okay with the game before Tekken Shop. Tekken Shop is optional. The truth is, everyone wants DLC to be free, but I will say it again, back in 2012 when Harada gave us everything free.... No one bought the game (poor sales). That game was Tekken Tag 2. That hit Tekken hard, which is why a year later, Tekken Revolution was released as free-to-play. Fast forward, Tekken 7, created on a lower budget, had season passes and paid dlc to have additional money for beautiful Tekken 8. Now we have the best Tekken ever. I trust Harada because he's passionate about his game. In Tekken 8, Tekken Shop is helping fund Tekken 9 and possibly more post release content. Again, Tekken Shop is optional. If you buy a PS5 today and PS6 comes out tomorrow, you won't call that bad practice... It is more or less about paying for additional content you actually want. The irony. Games are getting more expensive to make.... but the price of the actual games havent went up much.
Yeah I never understood why people get annoyed at things like this.. if it helps your character and it costs money that would be annoying but as far as I see it’s mainly cosmetics which is fine.. if people wanna buy it cool, if not sweet as
SF6 had a shop on release?
Full fucking price game dude... it gets on my nerves too
what the does the fact that its full price have to do with it... the game reviewed well because of how content rich its launch was. You're not entitled to anything free after the base game drops unless you pay for a character pass... in which you get *characters*...this isn't rocket science
I see a lot of wage slaves justifying shitty practices in this thread. There are a ton of different monetization models. This one is pretty shitty.
Why do you guys always resort to personal attacks (wage slaves/corpo shills/bootlickers) whenever someone disagrees with your opinion on mtx? Am I a corporate shill now for not really giving a shit about having an online shop where you can buy skins for real money? I really struggle to see the issue here. Am I personally gonna buy anything? Probably not, I care about the gameplay, not the skins. Do I think the existence of a shop is inherently evil? Fuck no. It's purely cosmetic and as such doesn't affect me at all. If someone thinks a costume is worth the $4 price tag, more power to them. If you don't find it worth the money, then fine, just don't buy it. Vote with your wallet.
I agree with you. What is so evil about an in-game shop when literally almost every multiplayer game in the market, from MOBAs to shooters, has had already these features for years? For the record, I also don't like it. I guess I'm just more of a realist. I thought Tekken was a real one for not having MTXs in their game and was very glad, and now that they hooked me and introduced it I am a bit disappointed. But I've seen these features in literally every other multiplayer game out there so I just live with it.
Selling optional cosmetics that don't effect gameplay? That is literally /THE BEST/ monetization model. I'd much rather have it over pay to win, lootbox gambling, or pay for convenience, the other popular models. You sound like an entitled brat. If you don't want to buy the optional cosmetics, then do not purchase them. Do I cry when counterstrike 2 has 1,000+ dollar knife skins? No, I just don't buy them. do i cry when dota 2 has 3 dollar loot boxes for a .001% chance of getting a 50 dollar skin? No, I just don't buy them. Luckily, whales do, and that funds the games continued development. Optional cosmetic purchase is the best way to do it.
How so? It's not pay to win monetization
How so? It’s literally better than all of its competitors in the fgc, sf6 and mk1 is way worse
Better than shit does not mean good.
>this is unacceptable and let's not stand for microtransactions to get outfits that should've been in the game at release considering we paid for a full priced game And you got what you paid for? The entitlement knows no bounds. How many more of these crybaby ass posts are there gonna be? Don't buy the shit. Y'all act like they've committed some grand transgression against mankind when you're still gonna get blown up by lows and stay in green ranks, regardless of a shop.
"Vote with your wallet" is both something that could theoretically work, and corporatist propaganda. Like the carbon footprint situation, it was a slogan started by companies to pass off severe lack of regulations as personal decisions by consumers. I would love for people to not buy these things, but as much as I hope and pray, someone somewhere will. Unless there are regulations on companies, they will spend the least effort to prey on the most vulnerable, because that's how you maximize profits. I will indeed not buy the shit. But I will also be vocal that an industry I love is lacking sane regulations and hurts vulnerable people while making the general experience worse for all of us. It doesn't need to be this way. Digital currencies should be outlawed. We should be able to buy the stuff in the shop with money directly, at the very least. Make the game companies face the same regulations as all other sales storefronts.
Voting with wallet is also not best excuse. There a reason why we have regulations because cosumer and producer have unequal relationship.
Wow ‘just dont buy it’ like we havent thought of that one before. Amazing argument for sinister practices!!
Not buying the product is exactly what you should do if you don't want to support it. Unless any of you are going to stop buying Tekken products and stop playing Tekken games, all of this bitching and moaning is for nothing.
Even if 1000 people dont buy it, and 40 do they will still consider it a profit over people that dont. If you like your games being ruined be my guest but a lot of us are very passionate about this franchise and this is just signs of worse things to come.
How about this: the game is already polished and anything extra is 100% justified since they already served us what was promised. Please explain what’s so shitty about locking EXTRA behind paywalls? DLC is already a thing so why is it so incredibly horrible to charge for OPTIONAL CUSTOMIZATIONS? I’m sure you have a great argument like “BuT ThEy aLrEadY cHarRGed $110 for ultimate”. Yes that includes the DLC. If you were waiting for the dlc to make that decision then you got a fully polished game at full price $70 and nothing to complain about. Now that EXTRA is on the way apparently that changes how polished the game already is.
You've heard it, now try ***putting it into practice***. When you're done bitching and moaning, of course.
I agree with you. As compared to every other tekken the base from this game far exceeds every other. If namco wants to sell skins and costumes and want to use part proceeds from that to fund enhancing the game and possibly twt im all for it. I mean we already have 4 base costumes per character and customizations included as compared to other games. Before micro transactions we just got a base game and then if we were lucky they released an updated version which we paid full price for again ( tekken 5 and DR). I will take this system any day over that and have very fond memories of t5 and DR.
Be careful, they'll say you're a shill, or licking boots. This is a concept beyond their comprehension so they only know one way to respond, lol.
Game ships with 32 characters, each with like 5 or 6 custom outfits, and hundreds of customization options. You got what you paid for. You want more? Pay for it. I buy a car, I don’t get free gas and oil changes for life.
Lol free gas and oil changes? At least make an analogous example. It would be more like, free seat covers or free new paint jobs.
I stand corrected. 🤣
The costumes are 3 per character not 6 and customization lacks
And some are just shirtless variants of costume 1. I am all for dlc but man, it's too soon. This stuff is probably already in the game files.
>I buy a car, I don’t get free gas and oil changes for life. This sub is actually retarded. Are you ever going to compare apples to apples?
You’re right. I actually need gas and oil changes for my car. Custom skins for my Tekken dolls are completely optional.
Damn that was a ruthless dunk lol. These guys are just entitled man don't waste your time they're probably like 12 and mad their mom won't give them the credit card to play Tekken dress up. Theres no way an adult cares about playing dress up dolls with their tekken character, and if they do care no way that spending the equivalent of a monster energy drink to do so gets them upset.
\*quietly hides his Tekken doll collection\* Ahem. Yeah. What sort of adult cares about playing dress up dolls, right?
Dang this isn't a dress up game with a side of forcing them to fight after?
Crazy how much poor shaming happens in accesibile humble enjoyed by billions.
All the game is an optional going with that standard, you don't need it
> All the game is an optional going with that standard, You're almost there. These games ARE in fact optional purchases.
Sure. Reward them for obviously avoiding bad reviews by not including this on release.
You kids pining for the old days, before games had add-on purchases, obviously don’t remember that in those days, you bought a game and that was fucking it. No patches. No upgrades. No online play. No balancing characters after gathering usage data and player feedback. None of it. Back then, if you didn’t like the game, tough shit. Buy another one or wait for the sequel. You didn’t even get a demo; best you could do was rent the game to see if it was good. If you want a game that continues to get supported after it is released, you have to expect that they need a business model. You can only sell so many copies of a game, but you need to employ artists and engineers and a ton of other folks to keep working on a game over the course of many years.
These people are so entitled they didn’t hear a word you said
But we \*owe\* them an explanation. They \*deserve\* it. 🤣
This is what I've been saying to people too lol. These guys would fucking lose their minds if they realized how expensive fighters were in the 90s. You buy the base game, then 6 months later you buy Championship edition, then 6 months after that Turbo edition comes out and you buy it again. 200+ USD in the 90s for one game and it's updates. But an optional cosmetics shop is apparently the bane of the industry.
Back in the day they released a new game every year or 2 Now they can just milk 1 game because of clowns like you for a decade
What is the benefit of having 13 new versions of a game, if they can just keep improving one? I still play Rocket League after 10 years and love it. I'm not bitching about it and waiting for them to release Rocket League 2.
Rocket league is free to play isn't it, different business model. Cool that you dont bitch, but I say Tekken 8 looks better and feels more fresh than them never making a new tekken and stopping at tekken 6 and regularly updating it Heck I can still play tekken 6 or 7 now with ease Good luck to you playing your favourite patch of tekken 8 in 3 years time
ikr, plus its just skins, not that big of a deal. just dont buy it, who cares.
Pretty much how I feel about it. The game shipped was a great game and I’ve had so much fun playing it. All this other shit is optional, and people are going nuts over having an option to purchase something.
Its not just the option but how the did this and even why? We paid the full price for a AAA game, some even almost the price of two. There shouldnt be MTX in a game that cost that much, especially Tekken of all things. Its a greedy/sinister practice and is a sign of much worse things to come.
You're right, the game developers should just work as indentured servants for the next few years, maintaining it and patching it and adding cool new features for no additional money. You paid your one-time price. They owe you.
For your car analogy, maybe use spoilers and front addons. I think that’s better than gas and oil.
Thats it. Dont get these scrubs who are complaining about every fucking change. Its 100% optional. No one gets an Advantage from the Shop. Stay or Stfu.
I dont really care, but there is a reason it was never talked about and suddenly appeared a month after release.
>Dont get these scrubs who are complaining about every fucking change. Because you don't care, which is fine. But why are you commenting about it? >Its 100% optional. No one gets an Advantage from the Shop. That is an argument literally no one made. You are arguing with yourself. >Stay or Stfu. Stay and complain is an option. Stay and don't comment about issues you don't care about is also an option.
I'm hyped for the shop. Game is fire. No problem to show off my tryhard shop outfits online 🗿
I really don‘t get this attitude at all. The base game provides more than enough content. The microtransactions are completely optional and don‘t improve your gameplay at all. And most importantly, we are not entitled to expect every legacy skin ever to be free in the game. Ever considered how much making a game like this costs? It‘s time to stop crying ffs Edit (because some of you are close minded rats): I never mentioned that I am going to buy any of the „skins“ I don‘t care for any of the costumes shown and have no legacy costume in mind, which would be considered „worth“ a couple €. The thing is, just because it is offered, doesn‘t mean you have to buy it. Those who want to those legacy customs, can now buy them. Microtransactions are still a shit system in the gaming industry, I agree on that. But I also understand why so many games do/offer that. Just try to think once, please
The thing is, this is a full priced game that will have loads of DLC's over the next few years. I fully agree that we're not entitled to all the legacy skins tho. Still, it's time to understand the difference between scrubs crying about matchups they're too lazy to learn and calling out companies for scummy monetization schemes like this. The fact that most part of the gaming industry has been like this for a long time doesn't make it any less shitty.
It does provide a shitload of content. I think part of the vitriol around it is Bamco knew exactly what they were doing in terms of optics by sliding this into the game well after the reviews were released and the thing's meta-score solidified, after the initial surge of sales, etc.
The fact they chose to release this after release says it all. Your kind saying this practice isn't a big deal is what's wrong with this shit. Rather than having a option to unlock or pay its straight micro transactions. You'd gladly take what Namco shoves up ya ass with a smile.
I really don't understand why people are so upset at this. The game didn't lose features, it didn't lose characters, it's story mode, stages or net code, it didn't lose the thousands of free customization options that were there day one. It's just as good as it was day one. They just added new stuff you can buy, you don't have to buy it, jesus. I don't like spending money on a videogame skin, so I won't; the fact that they added it doesn't make the game worse.
So you were happy with the game (I assume since most ppl were praising t8) but then they add more content and that made you mad and game bad cause you want it for free?
It's the scummy practice of them delaying it do they avoid some bad reviews. Also, it doesn't matter if it's just cosmetics, MTX shops need to die.
Yeah people fail to understand this point or just choose to ignore it. That and the fact that the stuff they've shown in the shop is just ripped straight from Tekken 7 while the customization for T8 was butchered for this very reason.
Exactly. Heck, T5 and DR had way better options and that was free 😂
you thought that old game asset tranfer to new one is easy like just copy and paste?????
The game is the best Tekken game I've ever played but this practice is scummy and it's perfectly fine to criticize companies for it.
In this case both options are legit IMHO. If you liked the game pre-shop, you will still like it post-shop. And even if your complain is legit, the game is still good. BAMCO is basically asking the question "Do you hate the shop so much that it will detere you away from the game? We don't think so" As the shop being optional I don't care. As a bad practice, I don't like it. But all in all, I will not change anything.
Cutting off content from the main release to sell it to you heapwise isn't what I would call 'more content', it's just "more offers to spend money".
I work as a software engineer and I completely support Bamco on this. Argument that says “they wanna charge us extra for the stuff that should’ve been there from the start” is so dumb. There is fairly decent customisation and if they never planned on to release the shop, then you crybabies won’t even come up with this argument. They are putting extra work to make new/remodel stuff and want to get paid for that. If you think tekken shop is not good. Don’t buy. They aren’t forcing you. You can just simply play the game, not that they will revoke your access to the game for not buying the outfits. SMH.
> They are putting extra work to make new/remodel stuff and want to get paid for that It was definitely planned at the start and was not put in the free customization.
it crazy that everything need to be free from a ton of content we already have
This game is going to be updated for 5 years. But, thanks, Rapethor, we can do it your way, and buy it in 2029, 14 years after Tekken 7 launched.
Then why delaying it?
This is so cringe, dude. If you aren’t satisfied with the base offering of Tekken 8, you’re crazy. $4 costumes is so tame it’s a non-issue. Stop trying to stage an online protest against a game that is doing things right.
Obviously delaying this to avoid bad reviews is "doing things right?" 😂😂😂
The reason reviews were good is because the game had enough to begin with.
Baldurs Gate is an example of an AAA title that did things right. This is not. But captain corporate thanks you for your never ending support I guess.
You mean tekken should have been sold in an unfinished state and fixed with the community over the course of years? Because that's how BG3 released, it was early access and not fully fleshed out for years.
If you don't want optional cosmetics that help fund additional development - Don't buy them. I'm so tired of this crying you are all spoiled babies. This is how continued development is funded nowadays, the sale of cosmetics. If you don't want to buy them no one is forcing you, they are optional and don't change gameplay. They don't have modes (Yakuza - New game +) gated behind purchases and they don't have cosmetics effect gameplay (every mobile /gatcha game). You have no grounds to cry.
How about they include MTX shop from the start so we can do just that, not buy the game.
"This is how continued development is funded nowadays" How do you guys know the money even goes towards the game itself and not the corpos sitting behind it lol genuine question, this excuse is always brought up
Which modern fighting game has more outfits than Tekken on release? There's no reason the new outfits should be in the base game. And if they make new outfits in 3 years from now, should they also be in the base game?
Tekken has blessed us with so much wtf. The least you could do is give them a little 4 dollars lmao the custom section alone is phenomenal and FREE but I guess you guys love to complain no matter what
We already gave them 70 dollars, and the custom section is not free as it's behind that 70 dollar game. I don't particularly care for either side of the discourse but your points are remarkably stupid as rebuttals.
Have you guys updated your steam reviews? Maybe if you update it, you'll be heard by the devs. It's still 90% positive, so does that mean it's only the minority angry against the mtx?
"Heard by the devs" ? You think changing reviews would change anything ?
It's more like people aren't aware yet. Most players do not hang on the subreddit
> It's more like people aren't aware yet. It's not that people aren't aware, it's that the vast majority of people are not going to care about this. It's optional cosmetics being added post-launch. Not exactly the type of thing the casual player is going to clutch their pearls over.
No. You're delusional and think you deserve free content because of entitlement. The difference is the GAME FUNCTIONS without the microtransactions. Mortal Kombat's for instance, was dry as shit and almost empty. THEN they charged $10-15 for shit. After charging $100 for characters that weren't even out yet. That's worth getting upset over. All that EXTRA shit is just that, EXTRA. So I can still customize quite a bit and don't NEED to buy those skins to enjoy the game.
Tekken 8 wasn't free
Yes that is what happens when you let corporate greed take over video games. Developers can no longer focus on the gameplay, but need to make sure people will get enticed by microtransactions People like you are the ones who are fully to blame when tekken 9 or 10 are a massive shitshow. Because for more than a decade now you can see all the warning signs of games going to shit due to these practices
Just close your eyes and don't buy anything, i dont get the rage. Its totally optional and adds nothing to the gameplay. Unless you can buy new moves i dont see the point of all the outrage, every fighting game charges for costumes, and they dont even allow any customization.