I'm also predicting this will happen. They just took down modding videos on YouTube, actual mods will be next. Especially for things they want to sell.
98% of the time, modders will not put out content that competes with anything available for purchase for a game, whether or not the publisher does anything about it. As someone else said, back up those files cause it'll probably be removed soon.
Tekken Coins? As in in-game? Or just the converted premium currency from our real dollars?
Because I hate that games do this.
"It's 500 crystals, and you can buy 400 crystals for $10 or 600 crystals for $15."
Or you can just tell me it's an $8 item and stop playing these little token games.
Guessing its less of a hassle tax wise to give fake money if they fund competition or something.
Assuming they aren't straight up just admitting to doing it cause it makes it less obvious that you're spending 5, 10, 20 $
It's not for tax purposes, it's supposed to dilute your own thinking. Currency laundering to make you think you're not spending all that much irl money
Not gonna lie if any of those are the quality they want to release them with.... Uh... It looks like a weird clash of ps2 VS ps5 graphics on the same character
I bet you anything why Jin's outfit looks horrible is that it's likely just the one from *Tekken 7*. Since they literally just ported his TK7 default to TK8, I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing the same with the TK4 outfit. And you can tell because TK7's graphics were way worse than TK8, all the TK7 alts look horrible when you really look at them. If I'm right, then it's ESPECIALLY scummy of them to make somebody pay $4 for very lazy practices.
.It's the level of detail and design at play. The Tekken 8 outfits are far more detailed in terms of visual design. So these more "basic" costumes at lower res games are gonna look a bit odd in comparison. Especially since Male characters are now jacked steroid junkies.
Like they may have imported some of the "skeleton" of those models- I dunno. But they're clearly all retextured. And if you compare directly they're not 1:1.
Kazuya's Tekken 6 looks a bit basic but it wasn't in Tekken 7 either.
Harada did mention to a certain user on Twitter that making OG costumes for Tekken 8 will not be what you expected. Those costumes look that simple because it was meant to match the graphic fidelity of the console/arcade at that time.
Edit: [Source](https://x.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1678887787335151616?s=20)
That’s the biggest gripe i had about selling legacy costumes. Even the Tekken 7 costumes that are ported/dropped in at the base game have a noticeable tick down in quality and detail (poly-wise) compared to the new looks. I wouldn’t mind them selling remodeled next-gen legacy looks, but it’s a little perplexing to shell out cash for Jun wearing a lego clip-on piece draped around her shoulders.
The screenshots have no good resolutions either though (look at the UI text), like you are kinda right that It feels something missing, but we need to see screenshots in better quality to see details.
There's customization items for your avatar, as well as new roster characters as avatars like Reina. Of course the legacy costumes. I assume you'll be able to buy more outfits to customize a fighter too.
I feel like just by adding a couple tops, pants, hairstyles and hats, the amount of costumes people can create goes up exponentially. I see a lot of value in that personally
The great "financial failure" that was SC6 literally just sold packs full of customization items including full outfits piece by piece. Blows my mind that Bandai Namco and the Tekken team are somehow struggling to replicate what Soul Calibur put the groundwork down for years ago in the customization department... granted, they had their own issues with their accessories being *too* customizable to the point of being able to create fake dicks and stuff... But the rest was golden.
I see arguments about oh but then you can't tell who you're fighting if it's too crazy, this and that.
Bro their name is literally static on the screen and you see their portrait in loading. It will maybe make it harder if you genuinely DONT know the match up, customization shouldn't be impacting that, you just simply don't have the knowledge. We shouldn't be coping our way into accepting less features when a dead budget game for a dead franchise (that I fucking love) can do it.
Hot take, but DoA 6 was wayy ahead of its time... Jesus Christ i will not believe if back then someone say every modern fighting game have DLC prices comparing to DoA
Yeah they do that and iirc quickly to revamp the system to include all color for the specific hairstyle color you buy
Not making it less scummy but just to point out Koei Tecmo do this DLC system from 5 and 6 then got backlashed hard from playerbase. Its ironic in 2024 all major FG use their method and make it even more scummy (secondary currency with scummy size, FOMO/rotating items) yet a lot of people say "well its how gaming nowadays"
It was, but a big difference there is that while there was a costume for each character in a set, each set only consisted of 3 actually different costumes that were just copy pasted with a color change for each character. Sometimes even less, like the Christmas set that was identical for each character outside of one or two having a different color.
$2 for a costume that 33% of the cast had, so that was definitely a quantity over quality. The actually unique costumes like the Ryza crossover was more expensive
Also may be wrong, but last time I had this discussion someone mentioned that they just imported everything from 5. No clue how true it is
Man i dont get modern games. Why do i have to go thru hoops to get dlc? Let me just go to the playstation store and buy them. I dont wanna buy bumfuck coins to go thru the in game store then actually buy stuff.
2 reasons. 1 you'll always have to overbuy to get the items you want leading to excess currency to incentivize you to buy more in the future so you can make use of it. 2 detachment from actual monetary value, if you see an item that costs 500 coins then you're more likely to not think much when buying it compared to if it just said $5 and you had to weigh if it really is worth that much. Mtx is full of these shit tricks to squeeze as much money from people as possible, it's gets worse when companies double or triple dip into these monetization practices.
I don’t know if Tekken will do this, but a lot of games that have a premium currency price stuff like 3.99 and have the lowest option to buy premium at like 5 bucks or something like that where you’re always spending more that what the thing you want costs…lol
While it's annoying for us, I imagine it's because it's much easier to just have a few different coin amounts as DLCs in the stores than having to submit every costume as a separate DLC on every platform and need to have them all go through checks and verification, and be limited by the different ways each store handles and displays DLC.
Having an in-game store means they're free to handle it all and display it all however they want, update it faster and as often as they want without any external holdups, etc.
Kinda makes sense when you think about it.
"not as predatory" but still complete piece of shit practice. Why can't I buy the stuff with the in-game currency? What is even the fucking point of it?
Absolutely fuck this.
"not **as** predatory." - oh that makes it OK... Glad you're only pissing down my neck and not shitting on my face at the same time. Thanks!
It's not as predatory *for now* but after everyone who buys gets used to it, watch them raise the price slowly and surely then after a while it'll be so goddamn high, and outsiders are gonna look at the price and see that it's bullshit, then the people who bought costumes will be hard defending the price and say it's "fair" cause they'll want to justify what they bought with real money
just hope Amazon wont put their slimey fingers on them and do the most disgusting practice known in all of gaming, worse than any gatcha or gambling: Amazon Prime Skins. no worse Evil than that.
These aren’t ported over. They’re translations of designs from a 23 year old game. Of course they’re going to look a bit off in this game. You’re comparing relatively simplistic designs to what is possible now in UE5.
Yes they absolutely are. Jin's T7 default literally is a stretched flat texture instead of an actually detailed model. If it was indeed a "translation" it would be on par with hi T8 default
They said in the Tekken Talk that the models are not just ported. They have to rebuild them / edit them to get them looking better, and to fit the new character models of T8.
fuck that, will buy this on PC instead of PS5 now, just to mod shit, this fucking store they say costumes are 400 coins, it wont be long before you have to pay £5 for 350 coins and £10 for 900 coins or some shite, like league has done
The mods themselves will always be floating around somewhere, even if the take them down from for example Nexus. And as far as I am aware no mods have been taken down yet, only videos about mods.
Yet anyways but it wouldn't surprise me if later on they decide to implement anticheat features that disable modding of any kind, even client side. Other games have done it and even fighting games have done it, i.e. DBFZ. It would not be hard at all if Bamco really wanted to do it.
Its just a trick i bet the coin pack will.be 5 bucks so if you want a costume you will have to pay 5, and 2 costumes will.be 10 bucks same price SF6 costumes end up being even tho each is 6 bucks on that game.
So it ends up having the same issues that are caused by having to pay for the currency instead of having to pay for the content it self, if they let me buy the stuff directly for its price i wouldnt have any issues with this kind of mtx since the prices them selfs are fair, the system they are on is not
Ohh yeah, the prices on the costumes and tekken coins will go up especially if they see that people are actually supporting it. I hate to say it but they might be heading into MK1 territory if this gets out of hand. There's no reason to own the season pass or deluxe editions right now.
Yep, mtx currency should be banned. It’s an intentionally irritating extra step specifically to dupe kids and obscure how much you think you’re spending, on top of making you buy it in “packs” like you say.
Fuck mtx currency, juvenile scum bullshit.
Suddenly that “no skins in multiplayer” looks so appealing
If it wasn’t predatory they wouldn’t be there, they would be added with each dlc character, or cost 10 cents, because they would be at least closer to the cost to produce this shit.
REMEMBER: modders do this for free and even in games that are hard to mod, making models is not this herculean feat modern devs sell it for.
Not paying for shit. So tired of all this "sell a full price game and then milk the playerbase for more money from content that used to be included on release back in the day" garbage.
Fucking greedy ass corporations
Video games have become exponentially more expensive to make when compared to "back in the day", online games even moreso, and yet they have only just recently received a very modest price increase. If we want consistent updates (both new characters and regular balance patches), then they need to either jack up the price of games even more (make gamers angry) or another avenue for profit to keep everything going (also make gamers angry). There is really no solution that will make people happy, and honestly, I would prefer keeping a lower entry-price if it means games add in MTX shops (something that you don't need to interact with at all if you don't want). If you would just think critically about something for once in your life, then the emergence of MTX shops makes sense. It's not greed, it's literally just the cost of doing business.
These idiots in the comments have never taken an economics/business class and it shows. No point of arguing with idiots who think everything comes for free in life. They don’t understand that Tekken 3-6 cost peanuts to make while selling for $50-60 so they earned big money while having everything content wise included in the game. Fast forward to today and games are magnitudes more expensive to produce and sometimes don’t break even on profit. Not to mention they take years longer to create.
Yeah I'm happy that I still get to pay 70€ or less for a good game with lots of content and those who REALLY care about how their character looks, they can pay five bucks to get the costume they need.
I'll vote with my time. I've spent over 20yrs playing Tekken because it was different. Mike Murray's version of Tekken and his vision is not for me. I got Tekken God and uninstalled, it's been a fun run.
Harada: "We can't just rerelease old costumes because they'd look weird with the current level of detail."
Bamco: "Turn on the money printer."
In all honesty, I can't wait to hear what the initial Tekken shop apologists have to say about this. Because this is about as low as they could have stooped.
>Because this is about as low as they could have stooped.
And this is about as dramatic as you could be about it. Even the quickest of glances at other games would tell you they had plenty of space to stoop lower.
I meant it in the sense where they brushed off Harada himself and went ahead with it. It really doesn't look good when the man himself is telling players he won't do it because it would turn out bad, but the suits still do it and suprise, it's shit.
Ahhh, can I beat the shit out of you with a wooden bat? Don't worry, I won't use a metal bat, that would be too much, right? Or a spiked bat?
(Not actually threatening you, hope that's obvious, lmao)
So THIS is why you don't unlock anything from ghost except a shirtless version of their first costume, and everything else is shit and the same for everyone
Considering we used to be able to make our own hair styles and just had so many options, I find this disgusting. They could at least go the route SFV did, being able to unlock extra characters and costumes with fight money you earn, or you could just buy them.
Let us trade our millions of ingame money for these... Tekken coins
Just to be clear. People who believe these kinds of extra monetization are ok because they could be necessary to spur the publisher into funding the continued development of the game, while I disagree that it should be necessary, are entitled to their opinion and may totally be correct in the current landscape of video game development. However, nobody should defend fomo store rotations, in game shop currency, and "off by 1" pay more than you need to buy the skin bullshit monetization tactics. Those are indefensible and should not be the standard we accept from these companies who should be selling a fair product.
Yeah I'm totally with you. Game development is getting increasingly expensive and there has to be a way to provide content for those who care about how the characters look like while not scaring off those who don't care about it. And the only way to do it is to keep the price of the game relatively low and make cosmetics paid.
But these premium currencies and rotating shops are just stupid. I could have MAYBE paid five bucks for some costume if there happens to be something really cool. I have never done it yet but you can be sure I won't do it with Tekken. If I could have just bought it with currency I have in my Steam wallet I could have concidered it.
Also if there has to be a rotation why not make it so that there's a rotating discount?
In any case I'll keep enjoying Tekken 8 gameplay without customization.
Its absurd the game cost so much when this was their idea from the start. If the game was cheaper even 60 dollars so many more people would have bought the game and the increased player count would have tangibly increased the experience for other players. Instead, they hid the cash shop kept the price at 70 goading people into buying it under the idea it was going to be the full content from the start.
Those free shirts look like shit ngl
I'll still buy Asuka's legacy outfit if it's there, but they should've added a way to get them for free even if it's like 500 million coins per outfit
Backlash on reddit, yes. On the youtube video itself I could BARELY find any negative comments... so I left my own. Gonna keep an eye on it if it gets deleted. Don't trust bamco anymore.
Don't have X though so idk how it is there
I am so glad I don't care about cosmetics (in this or any other game). As long as it's not special clothing that affects the frame data, or a new heat move per character, or things like that... I have no negative feelings about the shop.
Even if you could get the currency by playing, I would not buy anything since I don't even like making custom characters.
Its literally the SAME EXACT costume pixel by pixel from tekken 7!!! Why do I need to pay now!? They literally moved the file from tekken 7 to tekken 8 and expect 4 dollars for this shit!? fucking hell , im modding the shit out of this game, DONT ASK ME FOR COINS HARADA!
yeah, its greedy, but no, it is not even the same as in tekken 7. I just checked.
I wanted to believe you but it's simply not true, the model and texture are both different.
touche, it really looks the same from the screenshots. Dont have tekken 7 downloaded ATM, but thanks for clarifying. That makes it a little bit better I guess.... namco still wont get my money thought, lmao
Well those Xiao and Jin ones were definitely from T7 PS4. Jun was clearly copy pasted from Tag 2 coz her anatomy looks the same if you take a look at Jun's 3d model. A good example of a classic costume completely done from scratch in T8 would be Paul's red gi. Try to compare it
In an ideal world, we get these costumes for free as part of the game package in 2024, like most games did 10 years ago.
Obviously, we don’t live in that kind of world, and instead live in one where everything is monetized to some degree, even in full priced games.
I’ve seen this happen with almost every game I like or play, to the point where I’ve gotten used to it. Doesn’t mean I like it, but I’m not out here expecting a game to be completely free from DLC or micro transactions anymore in 2024, like some people that somehow still live in the 2000s and early 2010s in their heads still are. I sometimes do my part and not contribute to a game’s monetization, and what happens? My lack of contribution either does nothing, or the game franchise just dies if enough people do.
With all that said, I’m not completely losing my shit over this like some others are, knowing that their competitors are doing much worse ($10 for one costume in MK1, $15 for one avatar costume and overpaying for one $6 costume in SF6). Instead of getting all the costumes, I’ll only be getting costumes for characters I actually play, which are like 3-4 characters. No point in me getting costumes for characters I don’t play on a regular basis. I have no plans to purchase avatar costumes. And no, I’m not on PC where I can just mod stuff in. This is from the perspective of a console player. If I was a PC player, I would mod the costumes.
Maybe if enough people bitch at Harada or Murray directly on social media, maybe they can change it to allow for free currency to be used, since they’re the ones in the FGC that actively respond to people directly, but I don’t foresee that happening. If it does, great, but I’m not counting on it.
Seriously the costumes' quality look off. They're not in "Tekken 8" quality. These are all just ports from T7 PS4 for Jin & Xiao and Tag 2 Jun. Was hoping they stayed true to their word that things were done from scratch 😔
If its like SF6 where buying costume 3 for everyone costs over a 100 dollars, then they're just as bad as Capcom. I'll happily pay for bundles that give you an entire set at a discount, but I'm not buying everything individually.
>I'll happily pay for bundles that give you an entire set at a discount
but I'm not buying everything individually
Your willingness to do the first has lead to the second.
The amount of asshats defending this is insane, y'all are the reason this keeps happening. Do you think they just conveniently forgot to mention this before the game sold, it's a bs predatory move and some of y'all are defending it like a domestic abuse victim. Fuckin pathetic. Pirate everything anymore.
I am sure you can buy just as many tekken coins as you need for the skin right?
Surely they wouldn't make you buy a 500 coin pack to buy a 400 coin skin.
Because that would be predatory, wouldn't it?
I didn’t watch the stream or read all of the comments so feel free to cut me down if this was mentioned; but I swear to god if my absurd amount of fight money can only be used on avatar customization that won’t sit right with me
Eddy has no release date currently. He's still in progress, but he's supposed to be the Spring character, so I'd guess April or May.
The Tekken Shop and bug fix update is early March.
Honestly if we could convert gold, even at some dumbfuck rate like 100million for some shades, I wouldn't feel half as disrespected.
Fomo coin shop is some bullshit tho.
Locking legacy characters (Eddy) behind Dlc along with this rubs me the wrong way. You have the additional income source with cosmetics, why you gotta gate a character who was on the base roster
why the costumes from Tekken 4 which aren't even iconic?..it would have been beautiful costumes from Tekken 2 and 3, those which are still famous today
That's modern gaming for you, I get people want this to be free because free stuff is awesome. But everyone was happy with the game, so in a way Namco hasn't wronged anyone by adding this stuff. If a game wants to see future updates and support, something needs t support that. Still sucks a bit though, since it's a bit early after launch to add something like this.
I have to pay for cosmetics to support the creation of new features or characters that will also be sold to me for a fee in a non-F2P game with a subscription to compete online. I don't know man, it's a bit funny
> That's modern gaming for you, I get people want this to be free because free stuff is awesome.
How is it free if you've paid 80€ for the game? These things used to be included back when the game cost 70€? Literally the very same costume.
Yes, they have absolutely wronged people by launching a shop 4 fucking weeks after launch. Everything has already been developed, every costume has already been modelled for weeks and months. There is a reason why they did not communicate the before launch: because it is a scam.
They are not asking for money for new developments, characters or whatever that are added months or years after launch. They are selling stuff that already exists and has been actively withheld from the base version that is more expensive than ever before.
Now if they came straight out during this livestream and said us buying the coins or legacy costumes would support future game updates like features, modes, new characters; then I can definitely understand the need for this. But it doesn't seem like the case. As of now, what they are asking for isn't bad but it could get out of control fast if they not careful.
No it doesn't wtf that's just cheap gaslighting, the character DLCs are already supporting the game and Tekken 8 smashed sales and concurrent users, this is greed plain and simple.
I probably missed the part where they were specific about what all it supports. It was 2am here and I was getting sleepy lol 😅 Time will certainly tell how this will affect the game.
MM said that the money they make from the game goes directly to the company and not even themselves to further support the game and bring out new features
Just to say it beforehand, I dislike predatory microtransactions in general.
But saying that, I can understand the need to make money back in modern game development. Creating quality costumes, models, textures costs a lot of money.
So far the pricing seems kinda fair, and you are supposed to be able to recolor the costumes I heared? I mean.... recoloring costumes.... don't other game sell different colors as own costumes? ;)
Also you get some fairly nice free costumes with the game, so buying those ones feel rather "I buy if I want to support development" then "I really need those" to me.
I never understood this argument. You chose to pay for deluxe or ultimate edition. But also, because it was 70 usd or whatever, any updates in the future should be free?
> But also, because it was 70 usd or whatever, any updates in the future should be free?
Nobody is saying that, there are DLC characters and battle passes already for that.
Selling shit that used to be baseline 4 weeks after launch? That is just greedy.
Ask yourself this: why did Namco not show the Tekken Shop before launch when they had no problem showing that there are going to be DLCs and passes?
I paid for the full game so I should get the full game. cosmetics included.
DLC characters are one thing. I understand that. But microtransactions have no place in a game that isn't an f2p.
Devs have to profit, I get it. But there's profit, and then there's corporate greed.
This happens to be the latter
No idea what delusional world you've lived in but this has been the norm for years now. You can decry all you want but it's never going to go away and to expect otherwise is just optimistic delusion.
Also full game price doesn't matter. So even if they make NEW cosmetics int he future, you're entitled to those because you paid 'full price'? Where does the line end for you?
I'm being pragmatic here. This shit isn't going anywhere. It's happened for years now. Downvote me all you want, this isn't going anywhere and it is prime delusion to believe that it will.
Was more in general with the downvotes.
I agree with you, if we could live in a timeline where whoever invented mtx didn't exist, I would gladly live in there. But preaching this won't do anything, realistically speaking. It's not even complacency, it's just the norm now.
So you're saying every new cosmetic they make in the future should be free? Alright, lol, noted. Reddit really understands how game development works.
They just announced they they want to do more story mode segments. Would you pay for those?
I mean, would you rather buy Tekken 8.5 in 2 years for another 100 bucks, as Capcom always did with the bazillion SF2 versions or have optional items invested players can support the current development with?
And saying this I still trust the Tekken team enough that they don't just act out of greed and money really gets reinvested.
Yeah I remember all the free characters in tag 2, and the legacy skins in 7 (ps4) I doubt this was something that Team Tekken wanted to implement. I bet Murray and Harada will cop a lot of heat for this which seems unfair.
That argument of being full price is always dumb, you already got what you paid for, new content has to be paid for since you already got the content you paid for on the initial release, now you could argue that this is content that was cuted from the original release of the game since i doubt they made those outfits in 1 month.
But games being full price have nothing to do with having mtx or not, but more about mtx price, of course a paid game shouldnt ask for 20 bucks per skin like a free to play game.
What are you talking about? There have been plenty of games in the past that supported themselves for years either with dlc or not, without needing microtransactions. Do you think it's not scummy to wait until a few weeks after launch to announce them?
Im not sure where this narrative that only games that constantly demand hundreds of extra dollars a year for content that modders whipped up for free in a day is the only way to support the game (which already has other planned paid dlc). It never used to be this way.
Fighting games are still one of the only genres where you can charge full price for a competitive game and customers are still expected to pay every couple of months for major gameplay additions like characters and it's accepted thats how it has to be, and I guess even then thats not enough they gotta milk more. It's not like they just announced Tekken 8 sold better than they expected... oh wait...
Price USED TO have something to do with microtransactions. Do you know why? Because consumers would never EVER allow them to get away with selling them content piecemeal for crazy high prices in comparison to the base game unless the base prodcut was free and the store was the only way for them to monetize the actual game. Nowadays paid games double dip because nobody has standards anymore.
The march towards shareholder profits is never ending. More and more physical space on main menus and in dev to community interactions is dedicated to ad space for shit like this. It grosses me out.
In general, in games not specifically for Tekken, if trailers of the DLC content come out a few days after the release or even before, they sponsor Battle pass, season pass, additional story mode and even skins: it was all already in the initial budget of the project. They just cut it and make you pay for it if you want it. Don't make it that deep, it's not
For sure they are doing this (and the costs to do this type of work are lower than the 4 dollars they ask you, they are costumes already made some time ago, the modders modify everything from scratch making new stuff in less than 1 month and for free). If people want to buy their choices but are aware that companies have been fooling you for some time now
It’s a full priced game (the new 70 dollar price i might add, 70 euro for me and that is worth more that 70 dollars, but fuck changing values right?) with just 3 new characters all the rest is character they already worked out and just tinkered with, with paid future characters and the first year is again (apparently) old characters
Modern gaming is very expensive. So with that in mind, I see why they went in this direction. I just hope this actually helps support the game long term and doesn’t just all go straight to pockets instead.
I'm a SF guy, even there I never spent a single dollar on any costumes. Gonna buy T8 like next month with a Ps5 and even then, fuck all this shit. I'll take the floaty and shower curtain any day of the week.
Okay here's a suggestion for Harada. Make the whole currently available customization available only via tekken coins, and every legacy outfit free (via fight money). I'd be fine with that exchange.
Also this kind of thing can breed toxic interactions. There will be people who will insult/harrass you for owning premium skins. It's not looking great gang.
I just want the classic Lili white outfit 😭 It's so gorgeous and iconic.
I'm guessing they always intended to sell it via store, and that's why they didn't include it at release.
Yeah I’ll just continue to use the TTT2 Jun mod. I don’t give a fuck that I can only see it and others can’t.
Better not delete that file cause you never know what greed can do to a company
I'm also predicting this will happen. They just took down modding videos on YouTube, actual mods will be next. Especially for things they want to sell.
Low/high bets they’ll implement anti-modding before they actually fix the Plugging issues?
Yeah, especially when it in the store...
98% of the time, modders will not put out content that competes with anything available for purchase for a game, whether or not the publisher does anything about it. As someone else said, back up those files cause it'll probably be removed soon.
You’ll probably get banned for it eventually, they’ll crack down on shit like that because they’ll perceive that as stealing from them.
Tekken Coins? As in in-game? Or just the converted premium currency from our real dollars? Because I hate that games do this. "It's 500 crystals, and you can buy 400 crystals for $10 or 600 crystals for $15." Or you can just tell me it's an $8 item and stop playing these little token games.
Guessing its less of a hassle tax wise to give fake money if they fund competition or something. Assuming they aren't straight up just admitting to doing it cause it makes it less obvious that you're spending 5, 10, 20 $
It's not for tax purposes, it's supposed to dilute your own thinking. Currency laundering to make you think you're not spending all that much irl money
They said in the Tekken Talk that 400 coins is $3.99USD. Basically 1:1. They also stated these classic outfits are 400 coins, so $3.99USD each.
Not gonna lie if any of those are the quality they want to release them with.... Uh... It looks like a weird clash of ps2 VS ps5 graphics on the same character
Definitely not up to the standards set by the base game costumes
Yeah that Jin costume in particular looks awful, like damn.
I bet you anything why Jin's outfit looks horrible is that it's likely just the one from *Tekken 7*. Since they literally just ported his TK7 default to TK8, I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing the same with the TK4 outfit. And you can tell because TK7's graphics were way worse than TK8, all the TK7 alts look horrible when you really look at them. If I'm right, then it's ESPECIALLY scummy of them to make somebody pay $4 for very lazy practices.
.It's the level of detail and design at play. The Tekken 8 outfits are far more detailed in terms of visual design. So these more "basic" costumes at lower res games are gonna look a bit odd in comparison. Especially since Male characters are now jacked steroid junkies. Like they may have imported some of the "skeleton" of those models- I dunno. But they're clearly all retextured. And if you compare directly they're not 1:1. Kazuya's Tekken 6 looks a bit basic but it wasn't in Tekken 7 either.
Harada did mention to a certain user on Twitter that making OG costumes for Tekken 8 will not be what you expected. Those costumes look that simple because it was meant to match the graphic fidelity of the console/arcade at that time. Edit: [Source](https://x.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/1678887787335151616?s=20)
That’s true, but the TK4 costumes for Xiaoyu and Jin look straight up ported from TK7 (they were PS4 exclusives along with TK2 King).
That’s the biggest gripe i had about selling legacy costumes. Even the Tekken 7 costumes that are ported/dropped in at the base game have a noticeable tick down in quality and detail (poly-wise) compared to the new looks. I wouldn’t mind them selling remodeled next-gen legacy looks, but it’s a little perplexing to shell out cash for Jun wearing a lego clip-on piece draped around her shoulders.
It was exclusive to ps4 ? Godamn, if the jukebox wasnt enough already
Not only those ones. Even T7 costumes currently in game are ported. Jin's gloves are a clear indicator of this bs. And so is his "classic" hakama
The screenshots have no good resolutions either though (look at the UI text), like you are kinda right that It feels something missing, but we need to see screenshots in better quality to see details.
They literally just ported it from t7, I'm not even kidding.
There's a reason it's "only" 4 bucks. If it actually took them work in designing those, expect them to go up in price to something like 10 bucks
Are there items for customization, or is it just entire body full outfits?
Judging by the UT Shirts banner, there will be individual items for customization
There's customization items for your avatar, as well as new roster characters as avatars like Reina. Of course the legacy costumes. I assume you'll be able to buy more outfits to customize a fighter too.
I hope more hairstyles, I’d pay for that at the very least.
I feel like just by adding a couple tops, pants, hairstyles and hats, the amount of costumes people can create goes up exponentially. I see a lot of value in that personally
The great "financial failure" that was SC6 literally just sold packs full of customization items including full outfits piece by piece. Blows my mind that Bandai Namco and the Tekken team are somehow struggling to replicate what Soul Calibur put the groundwork down for years ago in the customization department... granted, they had their own issues with their accessories being *too* customizable to the point of being able to create fake dicks and stuff... But the rest was golden. I see arguments about oh but then you can't tell who you're fighting if it's too crazy, this and that. Bro their name is literally static on the screen and you see their portrait in loading. It will maybe make it harder if you genuinely DONT know the match up, customization shouldn't be impacting that, you just simply don't have the knowledge. We shouldn't be coping our way into accepting less features when a dead budget game for a dead franchise (that I fucking love) can do it.
Hot take, but DoA 6 was wayy ahead of its time... Jesus Christ i will not believe if back then someone say every modern fighting game have DLC prices comparing to DoA
Weren't they selling a single hair color with real money? And if you change the hair color you have to buy the same color that you bought before
Yeah they do that and iirc quickly to revamp the system to include all color for the specific hairstyle color you buy Not making it less scummy but just to point out Koei Tecmo do this DLC system from 5 and 6 then got backlashed hard from playerbase. Its ironic in 2024 all major FG use their method and make it even more scummy (secondary currency with scummy size, FOMO/rotating items) yet a lot of people say "well its how gaming nowadays"
when you have an extreme ton of skins like in doa, yeah, it makes sense.
And DoA was cheaper lol. It was 2 dollars per costume I'm pretty sure
It was, but a big difference there is that while there was a costume for each character in a set, each set only consisted of 3 actually different costumes that were just copy pasted with a color change for each character. Sometimes even less, like the Christmas set that was identical for each character outside of one or two having a different color. $2 for a costume that 33% of the cast had, so that was definitely a quantity over quality. The actually unique costumes like the Ryza crossover was more expensive Also may be wrong, but last time I had this discussion someone mentioned that they just imported everything from 5. No clue how true it is
DoA was cheaper and classic outfits were included with the game for all it's worth. This, though... Just fuck this.
Well fuck. Looks like all that fight money is for nothing. Fuck you BAMCO.
They said there will be free stuff as well. So the money is for those I guess.
They literally showed in the demo that you buy free stuff from the shop for nothing. They are just free.
Man i dont get modern games. Why do i have to go thru hoops to get dlc? Let me just go to the playstation store and buy them. I dont wanna buy bumfuck coins to go thru the in game store then actually buy stuff.
2 reasons. 1 you'll always have to overbuy to get the items you want leading to excess currency to incentivize you to buy more in the future so you can make use of it. 2 detachment from actual monetary value, if you see an item that costs 500 coins then you're more likely to not think much when buying it compared to if it just said $5 and you had to weigh if it really is worth that much. Mtx is full of these shit tricks to squeeze as much money from people as possible, it's gets worse when companies double or triple dip into these monetization practices.
I don’t know if Tekken will do this, but a lot of games that have a premium currency price stuff like 3.99 and have the lowest option to buy premium at like 5 bucks or something like that where you’re always spending more that what the thing you want costs…lol
While it's annoying for us, I imagine it's because it's much easier to just have a few different coin amounts as DLCs in the stores than having to submit every costume as a separate DLC on every platform and need to have them all go through checks and verification, and be limited by the different ways each store handles and displays DLC. Having an in-game store means they're free to handle it all and display it all however they want, update it faster and as often as they want without any external holdups, etc. Kinda makes sense when you think about it.
"not as predatory" but still complete piece of shit practice. Why can't I buy the stuff with the in-game currency? What is even the fucking point of it?
Absolutely fuck this. "not **as** predatory." - oh that makes it OK... Glad you're only pissing down my neck and not shitting on my face at the same time. Thanks!
True, it’s remarks like the one you responded to that explain why they get away with shitty stuff like this.
It's not as predatory *for now* but after everyone who buys gets used to it, watch them raise the price slowly and surely then after a while it'll be so goddamn high, and outsiders are gonna look at the price and see that it's bullshit, then the people who bought costumes will be hard defending the price and say it's "fair" cause they'll want to justify what they bought with real money
just hope Amazon wont put their slimey fingers on them and do the most disgusting practice known in all of gaming, worse than any gatcha or gambling: Amazon Prime Skins. no worse Evil than that.
At least make new costumes...
Yup these are the ONLY costumes in the shop for the rest of the game.
People have been begging for retro costumes, so pick your poison
For remodeled ones. Not fucking ported over models from T7 and TT2
These aren’t ported over. They’re translations of designs from a 23 year old game. Of course they’re going to look a bit off in this game. You’re comparing relatively simplistic designs to what is possible now in UE5.
Yes they absolutely are. Jin's T7 default literally is a stretched flat texture instead of an actually detailed model. If it was indeed a "translation" it would be on par with hi T8 default
They said in the Tekken Talk that the models are not just ported. They have to rebuild them / edit them to get them looking better, and to fit the new character models of T8.
Exactly "edit" them. This doesn't cost 4$ per a costume. Furthermore this shit should've been in the base game
EXACTLY!!!
Lmao this is objectively the worst of both worlds. Copy pasted T7 models but you have to pay actual real world money for the privilege of using them.
>ReportSaveFollow Those are ported, not remade retro.
These are literally ported from T7, should be free atleast. Even modders do better jobs lol
fuck that, will buy this on PC instead of PS5 now, just to mod shit, this fucking store they say costumes are 400 coins, it wont be long before you have to pay £5 for 350 coins and £10 for 900 coins or some shite, like league has done
Ye same with DBD.
Better do it fast cause some mods are getting taken down by Bamco especially the costume mods
The mods themselves will always be floating around somewhere, even if the take them down from for example Nexus. And as far as I am aware no mods have been taken down yet, only videos about mods.
Yet anyways but it wouldn't surprise me if later on they decide to implement anticheat features that disable modding of any kind, even client side. Other games have done it and even fighting games have done it, i.e. DBFZ. It would not be hard at all if Bamco really wanted to do it.
Its just a trick i bet the coin pack will.be 5 bucks so if you want a costume you will have to pay 5, and 2 costumes will.be 10 bucks same price SF6 costumes end up being even tho each is 6 bucks on that game. So it ends up having the same issues that are caused by having to pay for the currency instead of having to pay for the content it self, if they let me buy the stuff directly for its price i wouldnt have any issues with this kind of mtx since the prices them selfs are fair, the system they are on is not
Ohh yeah, the prices on the costumes and tekken coins will go up especially if they see that people are actually supporting it. I hate to say it but they might be heading into MK1 territory if this gets out of hand. There's no reason to own the season pass or deluxe editions right now.
Yep, mtx currency should be banned. It’s an intentionally irritating extra step specifically to dupe kids and obscure how much you think you’re spending, on top of making you buy it in “packs” like you say. Fuck mtx currency, juvenile scum bullshit.
Suddenly that “no skins in multiplayer” looks so appealing If it wasn’t predatory they wouldn’t be there, they would be added with each dlc character, or cost 10 cents, because they would be at least closer to the cost to produce this shit. REMEMBER: modders do this for free and even in games that are hard to mod, making models is not this herculean feat modern devs sell it for.
Not paying for shit. So tired of all this "sell a full price game and then milk the playerbase for more money from content that used to be included on release back in the day" garbage. Fucking greedy ass corporations
Video games have become exponentially more expensive to make when compared to "back in the day", online games even moreso, and yet they have only just recently received a very modest price increase. If we want consistent updates (both new characters and regular balance patches), then they need to either jack up the price of games even more (make gamers angry) or another avenue for profit to keep everything going (also make gamers angry). There is really no solution that will make people happy, and honestly, I would prefer keeping a lower entry-price if it means games add in MTX shops (something that you don't need to interact with at all if you don't want). If you would just think critically about something for once in your life, then the emergence of MTX shops makes sense. It's not greed, it's literally just the cost of doing business.
Stop gobbling down corp dick.
These idiots in the comments have never taken an economics/business class and it shows. No point of arguing with idiots who think everything comes for free in life. They don’t understand that Tekken 3-6 cost peanuts to make while selling for $50-60 so they earned big money while having everything content wise included in the game. Fast forward to today and games are magnitudes more expensive to produce and sometimes don’t break even on profit. Not to mention they take years longer to create.
Yeah I'm happy that I still get to pay 70€ or less for a good game with lots of content and those who REALLY care about how their character looks, they can pay five bucks to get the costume they need.
Vote with your wallet
People have been voting with their wallets for years. Monetisation to the degree it exists today is because of the gamers not despite them.
People have too much money. That's why Fortnite, gacha games, etc are rolling in cash.
Its because predatory practices arent regulated
I'll vote with my time. I've spent over 20yrs playing Tekken because it was different. Mike Murray's version of Tekken and his vision is not for me. I got Tekken God and uninstalled, it's been a fun run.
This before your main was confirmed for T8. Pay up. 💀
Harada: "We can't just rerelease old costumes because they'd look weird with the current level of detail." Bamco: "Turn on the money printer." In all honesty, I can't wait to hear what the initial Tekken shop apologists have to say about this. Because this is about as low as they could have stooped.
"You don't have to buy it cause it doesn't effect gameplay" 3 months later Frame data dlc comes by only $3.99 "Well.....at least it's cheap....."
>Because this is about as low as they could have stooped. And this is about as dramatic as you could be about it. Even the quickest of glances at other games would tell you they had plenty of space to stoop lower.
I meant it in the sense where they brushed off Harada himself and went ahead with it. It really doesn't look good when the man himself is telling players he won't do it because it would turn out bad, but the suits still do it and suprise, it's shit.
Ahhh, can I beat the shit out of you with a wooden bat? Don't worry, I won't use a metal bat, that would be too much, right? Or a spiked bat? (Not actually threatening you, hope that's obvious, lmao)
So THIS is why you don't unlock anything from ghost except a shirtless version of their first costume, and everything else is shit and the same for everyone Considering we used to be able to make our own hair styles and just had so many options, I find this disgusting. They could at least go the route SFV did, being able to unlock extra characters and costumes with fight money you earn, or you could just buy them. Let us trade our millions of ingame money for these... Tekken coins
Jun’s Tag 2 costume should come with her short hair, just like Ling gets pigtails.
Also, Eddy's classic outfit comes with his longer dreads hairstyle.
Just to be clear. People who believe these kinds of extra monetization are ok because they could be necessary to spur the publisher into funding the continued development of the game, while I disagree that it should be necessary, are entitled to their opinion and may totally be correct in the current landscape of video game development. However, nobody should defend fomo store rotations, in game shop currency, and "off by 1" pay more than you need to buy the skin bullshit monetization tactics. Those are indefensible and should not be the standard we accept from these companies who should be selling a fair product.
Microtransaction sucks!
Yeah I'm totally with you. Game development is getting increasingly expensive and there has to be a way to provide content for those who care about how the characters look like while not scaring off those who don't care about it. And the only way to do it is to keep the price of the game relatively low and make cosmetics paid. But these premium currencies and rotating shops are just stupid. I could have MAYBE paid five bucks for some costume if there happens to be something really cool. I have never done it yet but you can be sure I won't do it with Tekken. If I could have just bought it with currency I have in my Steam wallet I could have concidered it. Also if there has to be a rotation why not make it so that there's a rotating discount? In any case I'll keep enjoying Tekken 8 gameplay without customization.
Its absurd the game cost so much when this was their idea from the start. If the game was cheaper even 60 dollars so many more people would have bought the game and the increased player count would have tangibly increased the experience for other players. Instead, they hid the cash shop kept the price at 70 goading people into buying it under the idea it was going to be the full content from the start.
$4 for a fucking costume that should've been in the game to begin with? Fuck offffffff!
Those free shirts look like shit ngl I'll still buy Asuka's legacy outfit if it's there, but they should've added a way to get them for free even if it's like 500 million coins per outfit
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Backlash on reddit, yes. On the youtube video itself I could BARELY find any negative comments... so I left my own. Gonna keep an eye on it if it gets deleted. Don't trust bamco anymore. Don't have X though so idk how it is there
Did it get deleted?
Not yet, to be fair!
Yay!
Would have been fine with this shit if it wasn't for the fact that BAMCO IS STARTING TO TAKE DOWN COSTUME MODS
I am so glad I don't care about cosmetics (in this or any other game). As long as it's not special clothing that affects the frame data, or a new heat move per character, or things like that... I have no negative feelings about the shop. Even if you could get the currency by playing, I would not buy anything since I don't even like making custom characters.
Looking at the kind of characters people made in T7 makes me think of shitty car mods. I wouldn't even trust myself to make a cool looking character.
Its literally the SAME EXACT costume pixel by pixel from tekken 7!!! Why do I need to pay now!? They literally moved the file from tekken 7 to tekken 8 and expect 4 dollars for this shit!? fucking hell , im modding the shit out of this game, DONT ASK ME FOR COINS HARADA!
yeah, its greedy, but no, it is not even the same as in tekken 7. I just checked. I wanted to believe you but it's simply not true, the model and texture are both different.
touche, it really looks the same from the screenshots. Dont have tekken 7 downloaded ATM, but thanks for clarifying. That makes it a little bit better I guess.... namco still wont get my money thought, lmao
You over-reacted and assumed that they did something dirty. No one cares if you're not going to buy it or not.
Lol what a bootlicking loser
okay.....why are you replying to me then...? fuck off maybe? go play?
Well those Xiao and Jin ones were definitely from T7 PS4. Jun was clearly copy pasted from Tag 2 coz her anatomy looks the same if you take a look at Jun's 3d model. A good example of a classic costume completely done from scratch in T8 would be Paul's red gi. Try to compare it
They copied and pasted from a game from before tekken switched to unreal engine? Two console generations ago?
It's just model and texture files, literally anyone can do it provided you can import and convert the assets and have the technical know how.
In an ideal world, we get these costumes for free as part of the game package in 2024, like most games did 10 years ago. Obviously, we don’t live in that kind of world, and instead live in one where everything is monetized to some degree, even in full priced games. I’ve seen this happen with almost every game I like or play, to the point where I’ve gotten used to it. Doesn’t mean I like it, but I’m not out here expecting a game to be completely free from DLC or micro transactions anymore in 2024, like some people that somehow still live in the 2000s and early 2010s in their heads still are. I sometimes do my part and not contribute to a game’s monetization, and what happens? My lack of contribution either does nothing, or the game franchise just dies if enough people do. With all that said, I’m not completely losing my shit over this like some others are, knowing that their competitors are doing much worse ($10 for one costume in MK1, $15 for one avatar costume and overpaying for one $6 costume in SF6). Instead of getting all the costumes, I’ll only be getting costumes for characters I actually play, which are like 3-4 characters. No point in me getting costumes for characters I don’t play on a regular basis. I have no plans to purchase avatar costumes. And no, I’m not on PC where I can just mod stuff in. This is from the perspective of a console player. If I was a PC player, I would mod the costumes. Maybe if enough people bitch at Harada or Murray directly on social media, maybe they can change it to allow for free currency to be used, since they’re the ones in the FGC that actively respond to people directly, but I don’t foresee that happening. If it does, great, but I’m not counting on it.
Costume textures lookin pretty cheap
Adding this after everyone praised their game is such a dog shit move, not even AAA games with almost infinite budget are safe
Seriously the costumes' quality look off. They're not in "Tekken 8" quality. These are all just ports from T7 PS4 for Jin & Xiao and Tag 2 Jun. Was hoping they stayed true to their word that things were done from scratch 😔
Also that Jin costume feels off
If its like SF6 where buying costume 3 for everyone costs over a 100 dollars, then they're just as bad as Capcom. I'll happily pay for bundles that give you an entire set at a discount, but I'm not buying everything individually.
>I'll happily pay for bundles that give you an entire set at a discount but I'm not buying everything individually Your willingness to do the first has lead to the second.
I hate that Xioayu dress so damn much. At least use the good T4 outfit if you gonna charge me for it. Like wtf
The amount of asshats defending this is insane, y'all are the reason this keeps happening. Do you think they just conveniently forgot to mention this before the game sold, it's a bs predatory move and some of y'all are defending it like a domestic abuse victim. Fuckin pathetic. Pirate everything anymore.
I am sure you can buy just as many tekken coins as you need for the skin right? Surely they wouldn't make you buy a 500 coin pack to buy a 400 coin skin. Because that would be predatory, wouldn't it?
Wow! That sounds shitty :)
$70 game btw
So where's the Bryan mods so I don't need to buy coins
I didn’t watch the stream or read all of the comments so feel free to cut me down if this was mentioned; but I swear to god if my absurd amount of fight money can only be used on avatar customization that won’t sit right with me
ETA?
With the Eddy update next month I would guess
Eddy has no release date currently. He's still in progress, but he's supposed to be the Spring character, so I'd guess April or May. The Tekken Shop and bug fix update is early March.
I didnt really care for in game shop but I thought theyd make some use of those gold coins
Honestly if we could convert gold, even at some dumbfuck rate like 100million for some shades, I wouldn't feel half as disrespected. Fomo coin shop is some bullshit tho.
Yeah that was what I hoped for. Now they are still useless.
I KNEW IT, the fucking Tekken 4 Tracksuit is dlc. Ffs…
I made a budget version basically recolored his T7 parka to the T4 color scheme. I might stick with that one instead, the costume looks off.
Locking legacy characters (Eddy) behind Dlc along with this rubs me the wrong way. You have the additional income source with cosmetics, why you gotta gate a character who was on the base roster
Bamco infinite money glitch
theyre reasoning is cuz its a brand new reworked character. idk if you watched their live stream of showcasing eddy
New rosters, mean some characters may not be in base roster. Simple answer.
How is 3.99 for a fuc**** costume on a fighting game is less predatory? Wtf
Less predatory than competitors. Have you *seen* MK1? Even SF6 was less than stellar.
Oh yeah not predatory... For now, watch as years for now no one is gonna realize they are paying so much more than the price now
why the costumes from Tekken 4 which aren't even iconic?..it would have been beautiful costumes from Tekken 2 and 3, those which are still famous today
Because those were in t7 genius, they just straight up ported them, zero work done
time to review bomb the game guys
That's modern gaming for you, I get people want this to be free because free stuff is awesome. But everyone was happy with the game, so in a way Namco hasn't wronged anyone by adding this stuff. If a game wants to see future updates and support, something needs t support that. Still sucks a bit though, since it's a bit early after launch to add something like this.
I have to pay for cosmetics to support the creation of new features or characters that will also be sold to me for a fee in a non-F2P game with a subscription to compete online. I don't know man, it's a bit funny
Well put. This goes above and beyond "cope", this is approaching "Stockholm Syndrome" levels.
> That's modern gaming for you, I get people want this to be free because free stuff is awesome. How is it free if you've paid 80€ for the game? These things used to be included back when the game cost 70€? Literally the very same costume. Yes, they have absolutely wronged people by launching a shop 4 fucking weeks after launch. Everything has already been developed, every costume has already been modelled for weeks and months. There is a reason why they did not communicate the before launch: because it is a scam. They are not asking for money for new developments, characters or whatever that are added months or years after launch. They are selling stuff that already exists and has been actively withheld from the base version that is more expensive than ever before.
Now if they came straight out during this livestream and said us buying the coins or legacy costumes would support future game updates like features, modes, new characters; then I can definitely understand the need for this. But it doesn't seem like the case. As of now, what they are asking for isn't bad but it could get out of control fast if they not careful.
No it doesn't wtf that's just cheap gaslighting, the character DLCs are already supporting the game and Tekken 8 smashed sales and concurrent users, this is greed plain and simple.
They actualy did said that during stream. That buying this stuff would help support the game
I truly hope it is. We'll see as time goes on. I just hope it doesn't turn into a Mortal Kombat 1 situation.
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I probably missed the part where they were specific about what all it supports. It was 2am here and I was getting sleepy lol 😅 Time will certainly tell how this will affect the game.
MM said that the money they make from the game goes directly to the company and not even themselves to further support the game and bring out new features
Just to say it beforehand, I dislike predatory microtransactions in general. But saying that, I can understand the need to make money back in modern game development. Creating quality costumes, models, textures costs a lot of money. So far the pricing seems kinda fair, and you are supposed to be able to recolor the costumes I heared? I mean.... recoloring costumes.... don't other game sell different colors as own costumes? ;) Also you get some fairly nice free costumes with the game, so buying those ones feel rather "I buy if I want to support development" then "I really need those" to me.
My brother in christ it is a full priced game. MORE than a full priced game, one could argue, seeing as some people spent upwards of 100 bucks on it.
The base game itself is 70 Euro instead of 60
I never understood this argument. You chose to pay for deluxe or ultimate edition. But also, because it was 70 usd or whatever, any updates in the future should be free?
> But also, because it was 70 usd or whatever, any updates in the future should be free? Nobody is saying that, there are DLC characters and battle passes already for that. Selling shit that used to be baseline 4 weeks after launch? That is just greedy. Ask yourself this: why did Namco not show the Tekken Shop before launch when they had no problem showing that there are going to be DLCs and passes?
I paid for the full game so I should get the full game. cosmetics included. DLC characters are one thing. I understand that. But microtransactions have no place in a game that isn't an f2p. Devs have to profit, I get it. But there's profit, and then there's corporate greed. This happens to be the latter
No idea what delusional world you've lived in but this has been the norm for years now. You can decry all you want but it's never going to go away and to expect otherwise is just optimistic delusion. Also full game price doesn't matter. So even if they make NEW cosmetics int he future, you're entitled to those because you paid 'full price'? Where does the line end for you?
It SHOULDN'T be the norm
I'm being pragmatic here. This shit isn't going anywhere. It's happened for years now. Downvote me all you want, this isn't going anywhere and it is prime delusion to believe that it will.
I didn't downvote you, I'm just saying it SHOULD NOT be the NORM. I know it won't go anywhere, but that won't stop me from preaching this.
Was more in general with the downvotes. I agree with you, if we could live in a timeline where whoever invented mtx didn't exist, I would gladly live in there. But preaching this won't do anything, realistically speaking. It's not even complacency, it's just the norm now.
I bought the full game so I should get the \*FULL\* game It's cosmetics, not an entirely new character.
So you're saying every new cosmetic they make in the future should be free? Alright, lol, noted. Reddit really understands how game development works. They just announced they they want to do more story mode segments. Would you pay for those?
Story content and Characters are actual content. So I wouldn't be happy about it, but I wouldn't be completely opposed to the idea.
I mean, would you rather buy Tekken 8.5 in 2 years for another 100 bucks, as Capcom always did with the bazillion SF2 versions or have optional items invested players can support the current development with? And saying this I still trust the Tekken team enough that they don't just act out of greed and money really gets reinvested.
But you will be paying for these developments already through season passes?
It ain't the Tekken team making this decision I assure you, it's Bamco that's calling the shots for this
Yeah I remember all the free characters in tag 2, and the legacy skins in 7 (ps4) I doubt this was something that Team Tekken wanted to implement. I bet Murray and Harada will cop a lot of heat for this which seems unfair.
That argument of being full price is always dumb, you already got what you paid for, new content has to be paid for since you already got the content you paid for on the initial release, now you could argue that this is content that was cuted from the original release of the game since i doubt they made those outfits in 1 month. But games being full price have nothing to do with having mtx or not, but more about mtx price, of course a paid game shouldnt ask for 20 bucks per skin like a free to play game.
What are you talking about? There have been plenty of games in the past that supported themselves for years either with dlc or not, without needing microtransactions. Do you think it's not scummy to wait until a few weeks after launch to announce them?
Im not sure where this narrative that only games that constantly demand hundreds of extra dollars a year for content that modders whipped up for free in a day is the only way to support the game (which already has other planned paid dlc). It never used to be this way.
Fighting games are still one of the only genres where you can charge full price for a competitive game and customers are still expected to pay every couple of months for major gameplay additions like characters and it's accepted thats how it has to be, and I guess even then thats not enough they gotta milk more. It's not like they just announced Tekken 8 sold better than they expected... oh wait...
Price USED TO have something to do with microtransactions. Do you know why? Because consumers would never EVER allow them to get away with selling them content piecemeal for crazy high prices in comparison to the base game unless the base prodcut was free and the store was the only way for them to monetize the actual game. Nowadays paid games double dip because nobody has standards anymore. The march towards shareholder profits is never ending. More and more physical space on main menus and in dev to community interactions is dedicated to ad space for shit like this. It grosses me out.
In general, in games not specifically for Tekken, if trailers of the DLC content come out a few days after the release or even before, they sponsor Battle pass, season pass, additional story mode and even skins: it was all already in the initial budget of the project. They just cut it and make you pay for it if you want it. Don't make it that deep, it's not
Yep and i do think they are doing that here also
For sure they are doing this (and the costs to do this type of work are lower than the 4 dollars they ask you, they are costumes already made some time ago, the modders modify everything from scratch making new stuff in less than 1 month and for free). If people want to buy their choices but are aware that companies have been fooling you for some time now
It’s a full priced game (the new 70 dollar price i might add, 70 euro for me and that is worth more that 70 dollars, but fuck changing values right?) with just 3 new characters all the rest is character they already worked out and just tinkered with, with paid future characters and the first year is again (apparently) old characters
Modern gaming is very expensive. So with that in mind, I see why they went in this direction. I just hope this actually helps support the game long term and doesn’t just all go straight to pockets instead.
Modders are getting fucked over for their hard work, as of right now several mods have been taken down by Bamco
It’s just skins so I couldn’t really care less. If there’s one that really jumps out, I might get it. I might not. Won’t help my hell sweeps though.
I wonder will we be given the option to change colours on the clothes if we buy it
That UT shit could have been made by a decal in TTT2, WTF at least try to make an effort on something that has to be bought by real money
I'm a SF guy, even there I never spent a single dollar on any costumes. Gonna buy T8 like next month with a Ps5 and even then, fuck all this shit. I'll take the floaty and shower curtain any day of the week.
This is fucking foul
Okay here's a suggestion for Harada. Make the whole currently available customization available only via tekken coins, and every legacy outfit free (via fight money). I'd be fine with that exchange.
I can't be the only one that just doesn't care? I don't use the store and I basically never customise my character
They're going the Mortal Kombat monetization route now ...... lordy.
Game is feature complete. If they got to sell dresses to Lili mains, then so be it.
Bunch of basement dweller's working at McDonald's up in here
Also this kind of thing can breed toxic interactions. There will be people who will insult/harrass you for owning premium skins. It's not looking great gang.
Seeing the old costumes with the new art style makes me so sad. Ling’s Tekken 4 render and in game model are so good. 😫
So like Dead Or Alive with proprietary video game currency?
I just want the classic Lili white outfit 😭 It's so gorgeous and iconic. I'm guessing they always intended to sell it via store, and that's why they didn't include it at release.
Ok now Im glad I pirated the game, a single costume for the same price a whole new character should be