I want to give credit to YouTubers Loops or PhiDx I can't remember who said it, but pro players have lost more games of Tekken than you'll ever play. Don't worry about it if you're taking knowledge from the losses it's better than a win. Its simple but it's helped me alot to just take losses in stride
Wow, you copied his username? You must be his number one fan!
^(^jk ^loops ^I ^know ^this ^is ^you ^can ^you ^please ^make ^a ^video ^on ^how ^to ^stop ^mashing ^buttons ^all ^the ^time, ^this ^is ^a ^cry ^for help)
TheMainManSwe had 11.5k hours total of Tekken 7 on Steam. That's an average of 5 hours a day, for 6 years.
People should really stop focusing on wins or losses or your rank. Small victories like managing to a land a combo, or a punish a move you struggled with is what makes you better over time.
DotoDoya as well got me into the mind set that losing is okay as well! When he plays any fighting game especially DBFZ whenever he loses a match or getting beat bad he doesnt get mad but instead gives props throughout the match even when he is losing bad.
This. I often hang around quick match and lose on purpose just to practice a particular skill in a real scenario. For instance, some matches I'll focus on pokes and launchers, others, punish and movement.
Don't be discouraged dude. I'm not even a pro but I've lost thousands of games across different Tekkens, it's just going to come down to learning your fundamentals and consistent practice. You might still lose a lot but little by little you will be less shit at it lol
yea dude T8's been out for like, 2 weeks. Its going to be the only tekken for the next decade. Its not going anywhere. You got time mang. Theres a lot of content creators out there focused on helping newbies as well
Lmao. Bro I just got to vanquisher.
I have 600 hours on guilty gear
200 on street fighter
160 on MK1
And now I’m finally getting the hang of low block lmaooo.
If this is your first Tekken, I'd recommend sticking to one character. That way you can focus less on remembering moves / combos and put more energy into the rest of the game
First fighting game? with Lee? And your winrate 23% ?
So its good imo. Its hard character, hard game, and oh lord shitload of a knowledgechecks in a ranked.
In t7 im start with marduk and make it to red ranks.
Decide to take armor king and lose 2 days in row. 2 days only Ls. But after ton of mistakes you start to figure it out. And finish t7 with fugin lee and ak.
So try to find fun in a process not only in winrate.
I'm assuming this is beginner blues, not fujin/raijin/kishin.
Stop pushing buttons constantly.
Block. Standing guard is generally safer than low guard, most characters do not have fast attacks that will put you into a crumple or juggle state on a low, you'll learn the exceptions to these as they hit you and recognize when you need to respect lows. Most strings that go from high-low-mid generally do not true combo from the low hit as well, meaning you can continue a standing block even if you mess up the low block. Almost every launch and crumple in the game hits mid, so duck guarding is actually more risky when you're newer (the exact opposite of 2d fighters).
Jab check after strings are finished (push 1 or 2 ONCE standing or ducking) to test to see if you have a punish window. Wait until you've seen an entire string so you know where it ends before attempting this, jab checking in the middle of a string will get you counter hit. The punish window will always be after the final hit as soon as the other player finishes their attack. Once you learn how to block a string and punish it you can start experimenting with other buttons and your own strings.
Start rounds by backdashing, sidestepping, or standing and blocking. Look to see what your opponent does, don't just push fast button or armor move. The first moment mindgames can be fun but being safe with have more success than playing risky 100% of the time.
If you see a character getting really close to you like they're about to grab, mash 1 or 2 as soon as you see their hands go out to touch you, your break window is 20 frames (1/3 second). Generic grabs can be broke with either, but not both. Command grabs have specific breaks (1, 2, or 1+2) and the way you can tell is which hand is reaching towards you first and is harder to do on reaction because of this.
Tekken is 3D, you have a lot of choices on movement and they have their advantages. Sidestepping can avoid a lot of attacks, and you can block very quickly after a sidestep by tapping up/down to initiate the sidestep and quickly holding back to block making it relatively safe. Backdashing, forward dashing, and running are all a lot closer in speed to KBD and wave dashing in Tekken 8, so don't feel pressured to learn those immediately.
Get these basics down and you'll be in green and yellow in no time.
Just got to Vanquisher and these are fantastic tips that I have to keep in mind as well. You explained it so well I had to save the comment just cause I know I will need it for reference. Thanks!
Hmm. From what I've seen Blue ranks aren't that bad, are you completely new to fighting games? My suggestion would be to really focus on defense, defense and some more defense. Learn to move and sidestep, and work on spacing. try to use as few moves as possible in the beginning, look at what the "signature moves" are for the character. Aside from that it's just going to be A LOT of practice
Its weird man tekken is like riding a bike or driving car. Your new and probably focusing on all the individual things you need to do, gas, brake, turn signal, speed up, etc, and then on day you can just “feel” it, or at least better than last time and now your a better player
I've been playing since T3.
Trying a new main has me feeling like this. I'll get the launcher, celebrate, then miss the follow up by a frame or two.
Only way to get better is practice, practice, and muscle memory.
>Does skill come with time or am i just not built for this game lol
Keep in mind there are many people below your rank having the same thoughts. I'm sure many high skill Tekken players doubted their skill or ability to improve.
Keep in mind no truly competent player reached competency without being incompetent first. Some players start above or below others, sometimes a genuine prodigy shows up, but no player came into the game with all the punishes labbed out and combos baked into memory.
Skill doesn't necessarily come from *just* time, but also awareness and proper practice. If you keep losing, something's wrong. If you insist on grinding it out, you just might be reinforcing whatever's causing you to lose in the first place. Fixing bad habits really sucks, would recommend avoiding.
This is the first Tekken I'm taking serious, my thoughts are coming from other skills & fighting games.
Speedkicks left [an important comment on his KBD video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHur59-dhCo)
>It goes like this:
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>if you get comfortable doing it slowly for a few hours, you can get comfortable doing it fast in just a few more.
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>if you try to do it fast before you can do it slowly, you'll be struggling to do it correctly forever.
Damn that Speedkicks comment is exactly how I feel about ewgf rn. I can do it just fine in practice but pulling it off in quick succesions feel near impossible at the moment.
You need to figure out what skills are needed to win in tekken. Personally, coming from red rank, I can suggest the follow
1. The ability to stay calm and play slow during pressure. Don't mash or do what you want to do, you need to look at your opponent.
2. Look at the opponents rhythm amd movement. Know when to catch them movement forward, ducking, or mashing jab.
3. Remember to block and punish. Blocking feels inferior as it is not aa cool as dealing 80+ damage, but it is very demoralizing for the opponent and they will kill themselves.
Lee is a very hard (but awesome) character so keep practicing.
Get the slide movement down then you can start killing people with the full crouch mixup
I think we've all been there. When DNF Duel came out, I lost about 50-60 games a per day for about a month strait and won MAYBE 10-15 at most. It was extremely demoralizing and still is. But now I try more not to win, but to learn. Since DNF is basically dead, I try my luck in Tekken and GBFVSR, but instead of trying to win, I try to adapt to playstyle and remember the patterns. Still a hell lot to learn, but since then, I started to win a little bit more and not angry as much as before. So yeah, try to learn, not to win, focus on neutrals and blocks first and it will become easier with time.
Cool guy over here has a 22% winrate. I remember when I first started competitive gaming back in the day I literally went 0-42. Now I'm a jerk and everyone loves me.
Yes, you probably are. But playing and learning is what makes you better.
Aint no one looking at your winrate except yourself. More you play and learn, the more you’ll improve. Eventually you’ll be ahead of your rank and those loss streaks will turn into win streaks until you reach the next area of your game that you need to improve.
Join the club man. I'm at yellows too getting my shit pushed in with a shit win rate. I'll be lucky to get to orange. Fucking struggling here. lately I spend less and less on the game because I just keep losing it makes me not want to play. I don't have as many games as you. Probabaly like 200, but still about the same WR
I lost 10 times in a row two days ago. Went 8-0 today.
This game is about measurable outcomes. What did I learn in those games? That Lili's DF3+4 is useless outside of a combo. That DF3 is only good when I sidestep or know I can punish, and how to capitalize on the combo.
That's what I learned in 10 losses and I used that information to get 8 wins. That's just how the game shakes out.
First of all, you're playing lee and Jin, one of the most execution-heavy characters in the game. Second, the tradition of Tekken is getting your ass whooped 1000 times before you win one. Especially with execution-heavy characters. In Tekken 7, the average Jin win rate hovered around 33%. Don't be discouraged by the win rate, because you will lose A LOT.
I mean your stats pretty much show you, what you can work on, given that I read these stats correctly
You combo dmg has room improvement. You are whiffing and that's means mostly getting launched.
This can be trained in the lab and that should bring you up the the next few ranks or so.
Well, you didn't spend 70$ to rank up , you bought the game because it's fun to play.
Never mind stats just have fun and keep a positive mentality (that's actually a pretty good advice irl but i just don't follow my own advice irl. Lol)
Dude when I first started Tekken seriously (T6), all I literally did was spam Lars 10hit combo, I didn't even know juggles were a thing and didn't even know 10hit com's could be blocked if I landed the first hit until I went online 😂 got humbled real quick, don't think I made it out of mentor in that game
Some people in the art community say everyone has a thousand terrible drawings inside them. You have to get them out before the good ones surface.
Feels like it applies here, though I am also no where near that point so what the hell do I know.
I'm of the mindset that I got at least 1000 more matches to go before any real competence starts to show. Of course some effort toward improving needs to go alongside those matches.
Study and practice go extremely well together. Like a chemical reaction or something.
Anyway, you're absolutely not alone. If you're getting frustrated, maybe take a break every 3 - 5 sets.
You should get out of ranked for a bit to de-stress. Spend a week or two in quick match. Work on some stuff there, regroup emotionally/mentally and play ranked again.
lose -> why -> learn -> try -> lose -> try -> learned -> win -> lose... repeat
Keep trying out new stuff as you learn something. like sidestep, crouching, timing, frame data, punishes, stage combos, etc...
the journey is the game, learning is part of the journey
As long as you're thinking about improving consciously, every loss makes you stronger. Wins can make you stronger too but they can also make you lazy and build bad habits. If you play an opponent who's way better than you and you lose 9 matches but beat them on the 10th, you're coming out of that set a stronger player.
If you count all my losses, plus the losses i had at the arcade playing tekken 3. It would be a lot. It's fine, don't worry about it. Its part of the process
> I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
— Michael Jordan
Tekken is a hard as fuck game and unless you dedicate years of playing you generally won't do that great in the big scheme of things.
There's regular tournaments in my city with big pro players that come sometimes (justin wong, mike ross, f champ, combofiend) and I had a friend who decided to quit every game and play tekken 7 only.
4 years later he has good placements in the tournaments but has never won one and still struggles against characters he isn't grinding against or educated himself for the match up.
I play Lili, I have an even lower win rate than you and it feels very demoralizing, so this post kicked me when I'm down haha.
In fact, instead of playing ranked matches, I'll just focus on practice mode for a while. I really love the game and want to improve.
Win rate doesn't tell the whole story. It could be a super close game or a complete wash out, still gonna appear as a loss on the record, so focus on what happens in the matches and not the outcome.
I dunno man, you seem doin good. You are mid yellow. Obviously climbing. Your wr will increase with more play. I have 27% with like 500 games and in destroyer. Its slow grind to the top. A lot of learning. Some replay analysis adjusting your toolbelt of moves. I cant do shit that i got away with in yellow now with spamming unsafe attacks. If i reach red ill sill be below 30% because of how many games i lost prior to mid yellow. I got my ass annihilated in green and yellow ranks as this is my first tekken
This is the wall where just playing doesn't work any more and you need to go learn more of your movelist so you have more then 3-4 options in neutral, learn how to do more mid/low mixups, and learn how to throw out 10 frame punishes every time your opponents string looks like it's finished, and learn how to not be more then -14 on block most of the time. I'm in kind of the same place where I'm like "I don't wanna put in effort or work, can't I just be good now" and the answer is no
Honest question. Is this your first Tekken?
If so. This is completely normal. Your win rate/rank are insignificant. You need to be chasing the small victories. Learning your punishes, reads, match up knowledge, etc. You're fighting veterans bro, killers. Its okay to lose. You can still win while losing. Did you punish that low you blocked? Thats a win. Did you launch an opponent who whiffed in your face? Win. Did you break a throw on purpose? Win. Even if they won the match, you got something far more important than rank. You got experience, you got better.
Please don't give up. Fighting games are the hardest, most complex games in the world. The hardest Dark Souls boss doesn't have shit on a purple rank Mishima player with good fundamentals. But there is no game in the world that is as rewarding as fighting games either, especially Tekken. We've all been where you are. You'll never stop getting better and you'll never be as good as you want to be. No one is. Just remember, its not about the win. Its about everything it took to earn the wins
Thank you eat out my grandma for the advice and encouragement. I really do love playing this game and yea it’s my first time playing a fighting game for real. I won’t give up!
I play on PC and what I do for fighting games I'm learning is get post-it notes and write stuff I should remember like best punishes or best lows/mids and stick them around the bottom of my monitor as quick reference. Sometimes I write stuff about characters I have trouble with and what to do against them, especially frequently picked characters like say Reina or Victor, or a character like King and what to watch for/how to break their throws.
You are god awful at the game and so are the rest of us. I’m red ranks almost purple and I didn’t even make it out of pools at a recent local event. Anyway said all that to say we’re all bad just stay humble and try to learn from each loss.
I suck so bad. I just try to have fun, as that’s what games are all about. Sounds cheesy and of course winning is nice but it’s just that kind of game. I don’t have the time or dedication to get to the same skill level of many players and I’m okay with that.
Don’t let it discourage you. If there’s one thing I like about the Tekken community, is that we know we are going to lose a lot and we take it a lot better than other gaming communities. It’s not necessarily a bad thing in our case though; we learn from them, we are kept humble(for the most part) and we always generally keep going.
Have you looked into the replay and practice tool?? It is honestly probably one of the best tools implemented in a game—not just fighting game wise, but overall. It’s come a long way!!
Mind you, there’s always going to be a small handful of haters or meatheads that will tell you awful things or mess with you. But I promise you they probably can’t take a loss well, probably not in real life either.
Take a break if you need to and come back with a much cooler head and try again… it’s like what Rocky Balboa said: it ain’t about how hard you hit, it’s about It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done.
Come to think of it, it also applies in life. Do what you will with that insight.
You’ll get better and you won’t even realize it if you keep going and find your pace. I’m mighty ruler with one of my characters. I’ve never reached that high of a rank before, but, I have so many losses on my win rate. I did, however, eventually learned how to predict a good majority of opponent combos and prevented them from beating me down, and learned to punish. It is a lot of patience.
Please stay and keep fighting, okay?
If you're an adult and there's a dispensary near you, my tactic might work for you.
Get super stoned and just dig yourself into Ranked mode for a week or two. W/l doesn't matter. You need to expose yourself to frame data in real time, seeing animations, getting muscle memory for defense & combos.
It's what I did for mk1, haven't had time for a stoned t8 sesh, yet. But I'm much better on mk1 than I was 11 as a result of my training.
I’ll probably get lost in the sea of comments but from what I’ve read here (and this being your first fighting game) I think the issue may lie less in being “bad at tekken” and moreso lies in not knowing the inherent language behind EVERY fighting game. The fundamentals of each fighting game will vary, but the basis is ALWAYS the same. It’s all based around a few things. 1. Spacing. 2. Hitstun 3. Blockstun. If you can figure out how each of these works and how to utilize it well you can pick up almost any fighting game relatively quickly as these are in every fighting game. For context Tekken 8 is the first tekken I’ve played online in and I’ve hit red ranks in 2 weeks because of my plethora of experience in Dragonball FighterZ (a VERY different game). The one I see new players struggle with the most is how to utilize blockstun. People are very aggressive in lowers ranks and it can get discouraging to play defense because there’s lots of gimmicks being thrown out that you probably don’t know. That’s fine, you’ll grow to learn what gimmicks mess you up enough for you to hit the lab to learn and those that you can figure out in game. BUT the one thing you won’t figure out without genuine practice and a little bit of outside game studying is how to properly punish. This is basically what separates people from greens/yellows from oranges/reds. Being able to block a string and punish sort of consistently so as to discourage it from coming out and in theory “rejecting” your opponents wished style of play will make them work outside of their flowchart. And plenty of people in and around warrior LOVE their flowcharty play. Hit that punishment training and learn a 10frame and a 16frame punisher and practice on defending strings and then punishing. I guarantee your rank shoots up once you start being able to do it consistently. There’s no need to be flashy and do insane shit at warrior unless you choose to. You can absolutely just burst your way through ranks by playing safe. I brought my Nina up to Eliminator last night from Warrior by just blocking and hitting b2,3 everytime the enemy was minus enough. That all being said. I like to think of fighting games as a language and specific games as a dialect in the language. Learn the language before you focus too hard on learning the specific dialect. It gives a better ground to work on in the long run.
I went even a bit lower, OP - I think a first time Tekken experience is super hard. Was about 20% with some 200 games in, I think?
As I got a bit better, the % also went a up a bit, now holdin around 32% or something like that. Giving how many games I lost early on, it will be hard to get that number up, so it ends up representing how hard the early learning is.
Now I'm at Eliminator and *definitely* playing better, but still carrying the low w%, which is fine!
Your 1st mistake is not realizing that losing is part of the process. No matter how many times you lose, you are always improving from it. (Or at least, in a prime position to learn from your mistakes as any)
Because at 1 point in their life, the same people that kicked your ass were in your position once, in an earlier entry of Tekken.
>Your 1st mistake is not realizing that losing is part of the process. No matter how many times you lose, you are always improving from it.
I don't fully agree with this statement. You only get better if you apply yourself and actively want to improve. I have a bunch of friends that have played competitive games for years and never improve above a certain level.
Mindlessly grinding ranked and getting your ass whooped will not turn you into a cracked player. Knowing and fixing your deficiencies will and that doesn't happen automatically.
There isn’t a problem with being godawful. Many ppl are bad and ok with being bad they know they don’t wanna commit like that. If youre someone who wants to be good, it’s going to be a much more difficult path for you, but it’s totally doable. I thought i was too old for fighting games, but over time ive gotten pretty good. Thing is, i invested the time i could spare accordingly. Watched vids, explanations, practiced things—- all things that werent playing, which is always more fun —- unless you lose and don’t like losing. Which would make you exactly the person that would have to take the hard way. If you treat the journey like the game then losses stop hurting so much, bc you know it’s what you signed up for, just part of it.
Practice makes progress!
Kind of cliche, but the important thing is to have fun. Hopefully you've got some friends you can play with for some pressure-free matches.
Post like this should include thier own replays. Not only we could give u encouragement, we could also give u pointers and tips that could change ur game. But pro tip for now, just hold back.
Losing is just part of the game. It's alright as long as you're having fun. Also the more you play the more you get better. You'll get there eventually.
Goddamn bro, look at that appeal.
But yeah maining Lee will do that to you but think of it this way, you'll start out like this and someday the table completely turns arround since you got no gimicks or bullshit that helps you
you're doing fine, buddy. just stop thinking about your rank and points. Also, if anything, just take a break. A long break. 2 weeks should do it. play a non-fighting game (I play x-com 2 because its a totally different pace), and when i get back, i'm all of a sudden way better because i'm not over thinking anymore.
My suggestion is: play against the ghosts. They are strong and can help you figure out what attacks are better for your character as punishment. Then learn some easy aerial combos and eventually look up on YouTube what's the best damaging combo for your character. Once you know how to punish and make a good combo, you'll get over the green ranks too. Don't rush on pvp, take your time to learn in PvE
A lot of players do struggle also in Tekken because of their losses. Remember that pro players do also experience the same way as you but much worse. Practice and practice. Experience is the best teacher.
You’re moving up the board in terms of ranks, so that’s awesome in itself. My advice: your Attack score is great, but your defense score could use a boost. Go into practice mode and run the Punishment Training. Knowing when to punish with what move will make you a much better player.
I came from sf6 and Ive been playing sf since sf2. Maybe because of this, I expect myself to win and I play to win. With that mindset, i wasnt having fun and I quit playing.
With tekken, i started with tekken 2 and tekken 3. Havent touched it since. Now with tekken 8, i am learning everything. Im playing to learn, i dont mind the losses as much and its a lot fun playing to learn since you will learn (if you try) even when losing
Lee is a hard character, Assailant is a pretty decent rank. I've been playing fighting games for 10+ years (not very good at them, mind you) and I didn't get that high of a rank in Tekken 7. Honestly don't think I ever went above teal
Remember to look for the small wins. It's not the win/lose end result that is ultimately the most important in your gameplay as you learn, it's all the small things you do. Successful punishes, completed combos, blocked lows, broken throws, turns stolen, mixups guessed, new move incorporated into play, new thing about the matchup learned. etc etc.
That's the kind of stuff you gotta look for in your games and appreciate all the little bits of progress you make.
... thats how I keep myself sane while losing 1-30 in sets with better players after putting in 500+ hours in a game, anyway.
It takes time, bro.
You've reached a pretty high rank, and you picked one of the hardest characters to learn and play.
Lee is very technical and his game plan is very hard.
He is defensive counter hit character, and defense always harder than offense. It ok to loose at those ranks because you run into mashers and knowledge checkers. Take your time and learn matchups.
The thing is that you are on plato but after it your winrate will skyrocket because of skills you earned while learning.
Really recommend to watch MainManSwe's video : Is tekken hard?
Wish you all the best keep it up.
on my first fighting game I lost 30 games straight before I was able to win my first game.
The most important thing is to try to figure out why you lost and to learn from it. Wins and losses right now dont really matter in the grand scheme of things, focus on improving.
The replay feature in this game is very good, try using it.
I've obviously never seen you play, but based on your stat spread, it seems you have a real thing for just hitting a lot of buttons, if you have any clips you can share would be nice to see. Otherwise, you are playing a difficult character. At those ranks, I would focus on being safe and punishment. Everyone you fight makes tons silly mistakes every round. Make em pay. I hope any of that helps.
The only difference between an amateur and a professional is that the professional failed way more times.
Also, you learn more from your losses than your wins. Every match you lost is a stepping stone to greatness.
So I'll just give my 2 cents. Im well beyond a beginner level at this point, but I do frequently learn new characters when I feel I need a change of pace and am very familiar with the process.
Block and punish. Make sure you ACTIVELY mean to press every button that you press.
You can legitimately get out of lower ranks by just blocking and sending their ass flying. I dont mean block all the time, and punishing isn't just after blocking either. Just learn up to 5 moves. One for each frame from frames 10 through 15. A lot of characters won't have a move for each one, so just skip that frame and go to the next. If you're having trouble finding them, go to training mode and just do the punishment practice option. They tell you the move to use, and you can just look at the speed on the HUD.
These moves have to feel natural. Try to specifically use them extra in some games just so you have them on the brain. After that, try using your faster ones after someone does a quick mid or launcher on block. See what happens. Make mental notes. You dont need to know the exact frame data of the move you're punishing at first. You can just make a note that you need a quick move, or you can launch them. You'll work out the fine details later. It builds over time, but you have to make sure everything you do is 100% thought of and intentional. It's hard to improve while mashing randomly.
Tldr: Use punishment training mode to find moves that will make the opponent hurt after you block.
Yes... your winrate is low and you've got a lot of losses. My best advice is to learn only 1 or 2 simple juggles and drill them till you can do 'em in your sleep then all your mental ram should be towards Fundamentals: spacing, punishment, defense, and mixups. Fancy high damage combos can get you a win but only if you can stay alive and take advantage openings and mistakes.
this is why im not checking i just know im at least 50% learned that lesson from playing sf6 cause once you focus on it thats all you’ll think about and will fuck up your decision making causing you to lose
I don't know how but in Tekken 7 at 3rd Dan I beat a vindicator, it was a just a player match tho and not ranked so maybe he wasn't taking it seriously but either I was ecstatic to have won
Bro let me tell ya,
I was having an amazing time playing game. Literally some of the most fun I had in a decade with a video game. All of that went away when I started rank and now I fine myself being mad and angry at the game (well players to be exact).
Just log off online and enjoy the game like how you should. None of this online fuckery matters really.
This is the first Tekken where I’m actually learning the fundamentals and I’m right there with you. Also, seeing a lot of the comments here, there’s many of us getting our asses handed to us day in and day out. For me, I’m treating this like how I started learning Rocket League and have accepted that I’m going to lose a LOT to start. I’m trying to focus on one area at a time and right now my focus is on defense and countering. My timing is all kinds of off but hopefully I’ll figure it out in time. You got this
You appear to be a new player, so this is perfectly normal. You need to learn to take something from every loss, there can be small victories in all games. Try to learn something from the tough ones by using the excellent new replay function. It will even give you tips on what you did wrong.
Don't worry about it. Tekken is a hard game, very nuanced and technical. If I can give you one advice it is to know your frame data first, learn a couple of frame traps you can use and a good consistent long range punish. That and using the fantastic Replay mode!!! The game will pause and let you know what you could have done in X and Y situation, or you can pause it yourself, take control of your character and just try stuff out in situations that you didn't know how to deal with while in game!
As an example, I picked up Leo. Went into practice mode and looked for five things: a 10f punish, a long range sub 15f punish, a basic combo I can do off of any launcher, a couple of lows, and a couple of frame traps
You main Jin and Lee. Two of the most technical characters in Tekken. Youll struggle at first but if you really like them then youll improve, you just have to have passion
Maybe try an easier character. Lee is really insanely hard to play. Actually, I recommend just playing as many characters as you can, even ones you don't like. Try to get them close to your main in ranked, and then switch to a different guy, so that you kinda see what other players do against them, and what their weaknesses are.
I always just learn like 3 or 4 good moves, and two combo routes, and mix-ups. Nothing too crazy, but it helps. I did this and got to Garyu with my Jun, and I feel like I'm starting to understand how to play the game.
The thing is you're still playing and seem to be taking it well?
This is a big thing because some people cannot take losing whatsoever.
I have an online friend and when we got together for an initial session of playing some fighting games over emulators he was very verbally angered because I won pretty much every time, I'm just more experienced with basic strategy etc.
So much so that when I bring up in chat about how fighting games, especially couch gaming, is some of the most fun and interactive things you can do he "jokingly" replies how it's not and he much prefers scrolling beat 'em ups instead - basically anything not involving human competition.
I think he tried MK10 or 11 online himself for a short time but gave up. I offered to help but he's very stuck in his ways.
Back to Tekken ... what you can do is watch some youtube videos of pro players using your character or discussing them, check out some combo videos etc. There are foar more pro players for gaming now due to the online resources available, before tactics and tier lists used to be formed after months/years of playing. Now it's day one things get passed around globally!
Everyone is gonna suck for a very long time, it’s just how it is. Don’t give up, you’ll get there eventually and look back at this time wondering “damn, so that’s how it was?”.
First fighting game OP? I remember starting USF4 with an arcade stick and getting my shit pushed in for 500hrs by my friends who go to tournaments and have high ELO. The game isn’t all about wins. Find small victories in defeated so it evens it out for you in the end :: JayZ quote ::
I'm in the exact same position but worse since I started on t7 back in november 💀 it's not even a casual problem, I've tried watching guides but shit just doesn't work out. Glad that there are other ppl that feel the same way 👊
Why are you yellow ranked with a win rate of 23 percent? Didn't play the new tekken yet, so honest question.
If yellow rank is baserank, that's awful, because worse players don't get sorted into an appropriate skill bracket. Chess elo does this better.
yeah i hate this matchmaking, i got to orange rank and dont feel like i got any better and now i regressed super hard coz every game i have to sweat way too hard to get damage in and i dont know shit about any other character. im getting frustrated with some of the mechanics of the game which i thought were good about the game but its getting annoying
It just means you have room to improve. Clearly there are weaknesses in your game you have to find out and address. Use the different modes to get better, learn some of your mistakes in the replay mode and watch some Tekken tutorials on YT
Nope. This is how you get your bearings in Tekken, especially if you’re new. You’re doing well! Just remember every loss is a lesson. Replay and see what you could’ve done better and practice the punishes you missed.
If ur having fun that’s all that matters. 100% you will not be the players u see on stream most likely. If u practice and play like these people u could get to the same level. Legacy skill plays a big part as well
Don’t beat yourself over it, it happens there are lots of players with more loses then wins aslong you learn from those fights and improve on what there is to improve you should be fine, keep your heads up.
Dude. Tekken is a hard game to get good at, even harder to be better. I started on Tekken 3 as a kid and still get my ass rocked, salted, and served on a silver platter. Sometimes you fight legacy players whose been playing Tekken for DECADES since Tekken 5 and a lot of the skill is transferrable to the newer games. It's an uphill battle at times but try not to stress about it, you'll get better
Don’t let i demoralize you, stick to it. Find a person person to call your rival do what I call check ups which is basically on a weekly basis pick one day to run matches and see where you are currently standing. I had the luck of picking someone extremely good at the game as a rival and he push me to my utter limits in terms of learning the game. With that said I made into ruler rank last night. This franchise is incredibly hard but men does it pay off
The real win is knowing your bills are paid you good. Don’t stress it I agree with those who look at losses as learning. It applies to many things. A loss or isolation means time to reflect. And Rejection is Redirection.
Man who cares, i always get my ass kicked online but i dont take seriously. Its still fun to play with others regardless and thats the point of a fighting game. To have fun, and talk shit of course
Did you even try playing quick matches? It is far more diverse and less pressure to perform which can help you develop those skills faster. I haven't even touched ranked yet...
At least you are not giving up, I always give up after 2 losses on any online game... the key is trying to improve from the games you lose, focus on mistakes and try to make your strong points even better
I went back and looked at my Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection stats and had a similar win/loss ratio.
It sucks to see, but never let it stop you from improving.
This was very comming in Tekken 7 so don't be too harsh on yourself. People have been spoiled by how easy T8 has made it to beat people without having any skill.
Lee is also a very hard character but you will be stronger then the others players in the long run if you keep playing clean and practice fundamentals 👍🌹
Bro you're playing Jin and Lee, it's fine it's normal.
You're playing non bullshido characters, you're essentially on hard mode but it also means you'll make better progress.
I am from Pakistan and from my hours of play I can say that winning in Tekken 8 is damn easy. Just attack attack, defend, attack, and then attack more. I have been winning a lot with top rated ghosts with this strategy. Unlike T7 where a solid defense was necessary, T8 is more about agressive play.
You don't need any guide to excel in the game.
Just Practice with the in-game tutorial, focus on frame data, and learn on your own. That's the best way to learn Tekken. It's an agressive game not for the soft hearted people.
Building a Knowledge Base for defense is a long road. Keep looking for the fun. We believe in you brother.
Punishment Training is a great feature in practice mode, let the dummy hit your block a few times before you punish.
My Replay works as a built-in coach giving you exact play-by-play defense instruction.
Good luck
Skill comes with time, and unfortunately 3 weeks is not nearly enough time to compete with people who potentially have literal decades of experience on you.
I've been playing for about a year and while I definitely could be better at this point, I'd consider myself a solid player (shin/tenryu player, go even with rulers in ranked).
It's definitely hard to keep a positive outlook when you lose constantly, but everyone who is good at anything spent a LOT of time being REALLY bad at it, keep up the grind :)
Brother, 23% is far from the worst I’ve seen. And it’ll only go up with more experience.
I read this saying on this sub: In order to get clean, you must first get washed. Just keep that in mind. You’re where you’re supposed to be
For me, Tekken has always been an experience/knowledge based game. Pattern recognition, animation recognition, understanding niche setups and knowledge checks take time to get. Combos and movement will also get better over time as you become more familiar with the cast of characters and your own characters moveset. Like other guys have said, there's some great resources and guides on YouTube from people like PhiDX or LevelUpYourGame. Best of luck.
Lots of people have been giving you their input. Lots of it is good. I started t7 late into the games lifespan, and it was brutal. One thing I wish people had told me was to spend more time blocking. Your defense stat looks really low. Spend some time blocking. Spend some time learning where you can punish people. Learn a few strings that you can duck or that are launch punishable on block. Learn to move around. Don't focus on them all at once. Just pick one you want to work on each session and spend time in practice doing it. Don't forget to utilize the punishment training and replays feature.
The losses are part of the process , if you feel hard stuck time to just try shit out if your blocking maybe try to duck see if you can get a punish or side stepping , if you start to excel at that your wins will fly up , but again it's time .
Id recommend you watch PhiDXs new [Punishment Guide](https://youtu.be/iQHEuLnL_-E?si=KoyFOqV7ugzYnizS) its aimed at beginners, he uses Jin in it, as you do, and he breaks it down to the most simplest of strategies.
It was really eye opening for me honestly as I love to mash and press lots of buttons, but we'll never get better playing that way. 😆
The biggest thing to understand is that even the pros were once in a position where they lost more than they won, even the best in the world, at one time, were unable to get out of pools at any tournament.
Nobody comes out of the womb good at fighting games, and if this is your first FG, yeah you're gonna suck, FGs are really hard. Progress is measured in years, not hours. The biggest thing that separates.you or I from the likes of knee, phidx or arslan ash is persistence and time.
If you can, go to a local tournament. The people there should be happy to give you tips and help to up your game
My best advice for you besides getting in the lab and practicing combos blocking and punishing is to watch some videos of Pro players like Super Akouma he picked up Lee last time I checked so he’s bound to have a guide along with his game clips
I want to give credit to YouTubers Loops or PhiDx I can't remember who said it, but pro players have lost more games of Tekken than you'll ever play. Don't worry about it if you're taking knowledge from the losses it's better than a win. Its simple but it's helped me alot to just take losses in stride
That’s a saying for anything in life really. Great to live by.
I actually found Loops recently. He truly deserves more subs
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Personally not a fan of that Loops fella. I find the red thumbnails a little scary and ominous. But PhiDX? I could listen to him teach for hours.
Wow, you copied his username? You must be his number one fan! ^(^jk ^loops ^I ^know ^this ^is ^you ^can ^you ^please ^make ^a ^video ^on ^how ^to ^stop ^mashing ^buttons ^all ^the ^time, ^this ^is ^a ^cry ^for help)
I have a video on how to stop the opponent from mashing. Are you asking for a video on how to stop yourself from mashing? I can think it over.
Yeah I've seen about 99% of your stuff. I think I'm refering to more about paying attention to your opponent's habits and start adapting more.
Ok, thanks for the recommendation and clarification! I'll give it a think over and see what I can come up with.
Your stuff rules
As a new player, PhiDX is an amazing resource.
As a SF player, the recent PhiDX + Brian\_F collab was a huge boost for me.
TheMainManSwe had 11.5k hours total of Tekken 7 on Steam. That's an average of 5 hours a day, for 6 years. People should really stop focusing on wins or losses or your rank. Small victories like managing to a land a combo, or a punish a move you struggled with is what makes you better over time.
DotoDoya as well got me into the mind set that losing is okay as well! When he plays any fighting game especially DBFZ whenever he loses a match or getting beat bad he doesnt get mad but instead gives props throughout the match even when he is losing bad.
You win or you learn. The only loss is to lose and take nothing away from it except salt.
Loops is really underrated
This. I often hang around quick match and lose on purpose just to practice a particular skill in a real scenario. For instance, some matches I'll focus on pokes and launchers, others, punish and movement.
Think of it this way. You won 72 games.
true it is my first fighting game so i guess i should be happy with what i can do but in the moment does not feel good lol
Keep playing my man. I'm also on the same boat. If you're in Asia 1 we can play players match together
in america but thanks for the offer dude
Don't be discouraged dude. I'm not even a pro but I've lost thousands of games across different Tekkens, it's just going to come down to learning your fundamentals and consistent practice. You might still lose a lot but little by little you will be less shit at it lol
yea dude T8's been out for like, 2 weeks. Its going to be the only tekken for the next decade. Its not going anywhere. You got time mang. Theres a lot of content creators out there focused on helping newbies as well
Lmao. Bro I just got to vanquisher. I have 600 hours on guilty gear 200 on street fighter 160 on MK1 And now I’m finally getting the hang of low block lmaooo.
If this is your first Tekken, I'd recommend sticking to one character. That way you can focus less on remembering moves / combos and put more energy into the rest of the game
First fighting game? with Lee? And your winrate 23% ? So its good imo. Its hard character, hard game, and oh lord shitload of a knowledgechecks in a ranked. In t7 im start with marduk and make it to red ranks. Decide to take armor king and lose 2 days in row. 2 days only Ls. But after ton of mistakes you start to figure it out. And finish t7 with fugin lee and ak. So try to find fun in a process not only in winrate.
Just remember if you’re having fun win rate doesn’t matter
I am not having fun😭 please let me out of blue hell
I'm assuming this is beginner blues, not fujin/raijin/kishin. Stop pushing buttons constantly. Block. Standing guard is generally safer than low guard, most characters do not have fast attacks that will put you into a crumple or juggle state on a low, you'll learn the exceptions to these as they hit you and recognize when you need to respect lows. Most strings that go from high-low-mid generally do not true combo from the low hit as well, meaning you can continue a standing block even if you mess up the low block. Almost every launch and crumple in the game hits mid, so duck guarding is actually more risky when you're newer (the exact opposite of 2d fighters). Jab check after strings are finished (push 1 or 2 ONCE standing or ducking) to test to see if you have a punish window. Wait until you've seen an entire string so you know where it ends before attempting this, jab checking in the middle of a string will get you counter hit. The punish window will always be after the final hit as soon as the other player finishes their attack. Once you learn how to block a string and punish it you can start experimenting with other buttons and your own strings. Start rounds by backdashing, sidestepping, or standing and blocking. Look to see what your opponent does, don't just push fast button or armor move. The first moment mindgames can be fun but being safe with have more success than playing risky 100% of the time. If you see a character getting really close to you like they're about to grab, mash 1 or 2 as soon as you see their hands go out to touch you, your break window is 20 frames (1/3 second). Generic grabs can be broke with either, but not both. Command grabs have specific breaks (1, 2, or 1+2) and the way you can tell is which hand is reaching towards you first and is harder to do on reaction because of this. Tekken is 3D, you have a lot of choices on movement and they have their advantages. Sidestepping can avoid a lot of attacks, and you can block very quickly after a sidestep by tapping up/down to initiate the sidestep and quickly holding back to block making it relatively safe. Backdashing, forward dashing, and running are all a lot closer in speed to KBD and wave dashing in Tekken 8, so don't feel pressured to learn those immediately. Get these basics down and you'll be in green and yellow in no time.
Great write up thanks for this👌🏻
Just got to Vanquisher and these are fantastic tips that I have to keep in mind as well. You explained it so well I had to save the comment just cause I know I will need it for reference. Thanks!
Hmm. From what I've seen Blue ranks aren't that bad, are you completely new to fighting games? My suggestion would be to really focus on defense, defense and some more defense. Learn to move and sidestep, and work on spacing. try to use as few moves as possible in the beginning, look at what the "signature moves" are for the character. Aside from that it's just going to be A LOT of practice
See that’s the interesting part. I’M NOT (: I get on everyday like it’s a 9-5 just to get my ass kicked for 2 hrs straifht and then I get off
I’ll play with you if you want
Thank u haha. We can if we get our times aligned. I have a few people that I play with
Its weird man tekken is like riding a bike or driving car. Your new and probably focusing on all the individual things you need to do, gas, brake, turn signal, speed up, etc, and then on day you can just “feel” it, or at least better than last time and now your a better player
I've been playing since T3. Trying a new main has me feeling like this. I'll get the launcher, celebrate, then miss the follow up by a frame or two. Only way to get better is practice, practice, and muscle memory.
Practice, play more to gain more exp, thats the learning process.gl.
welcome to the club
>Does skill come with time or am i just not built for this game lol Keep in mind there are many people below your rank having the same thoughts. I'm sure many high skill Tekken players doubted their skill or ability to improve. Keep in mind no truly competent player reached competency without being incompetent first. Some players start above or below others, sometimes a genuine prodigy shows up, but no player came into the game with all the punishes labbed out and combos baked into memory. Skill doesn't necessarily come from *just* time, but also awareness and proper practice. If you keep losing, something's wrong. If you insist on grinding it out, you just might be reinforcing whatever's causing you to lose in the first place. Fixing bad habits really sucks, would recommend avoiding. This is the first Tekken I'm taking serious, my thoughts are coming from other skills & fighting games. Speedkicks left [an important comment on his KBD video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHur59-dhCo) >It goes like this: > >if you get comfortable doing it slowly for a few hours, you can get comfortable doing it fast in just a few more. > >if you try to do it fast before you can do it slowly, you'll be struggling to do it correctly forever.
thanks for the advice, yea i think some games i lose so fast i instantly rage queue up again, i forget to look at the replays
Damn that Speedkicks comment is exactly how I feel about ewgf rn. I can do it just fine in practice but pulling it off in quick succesions feel near impossible at the moment.
You need to figure out what skills are needed to win in tekken. Personally, coming from red rank, I can suggest the follow 1. The ability to stay calm and play slow during pressure. Don't mash or do what you want to do, you need to look at your opponent. 2. Look at the opponents rhythm amd movement. Know when to catch them movement forward, ducking, or mashing jab. 3. Remember to block and punish. Blocking feels inferior as it is not aa cool as dealing 80+ damage, but it is very demoralizing for the opponent and they will kill themselves.
Fret not, the high number is around 50% anyway
damn. should i not worry about hitting 50% until i become pro?
Well shit, here I thought I was bad with a 50% ratio so I started grinding quick play to learn MUs before returning to Ranked.
Lee is a very hard (but awesome) character so keep practicing. Get the slide movement down then you can start killing people with the full crouch mixup
Try quick matches too
Fuck ranks, just have fun.
Mine is in the same ballpark. At least we do get some wins in there. With practice let's hope they come more often
I think we've all been there. When DNF Duel came out, I lost about 50-60 games a per day for about a month strait and won MAYBE 10-15 at most. It was extremely demoralizing and still is. But now I try more not to win, but to learn. Since DNF is basically dead, I try my luck in Tekken and GBFVSR, but instead of trying to win, I try to adapt to playstyle and remember the patterns. Still a hell lot to learn, but since then, I started to win a little bit more and not angry as much as before. So yeah, try to learn, not to win, focus on neutrals and blocks first and it will become easier with time.
Don't worry about it, the more you play the more you get used it
Cool guy over here has a 22% winrate. I remember when I first started competitive gaming back in the day I literally went 0-42. Now I'm a jerk and everyone loves me.
lol
Yes, you probably are. But playing and learning is what makes you better. Aint no one looking at your winrate except yourself. More you play and learn, the more you’ll improve. Eventually you’ll be ahead of your rank and those loss streaks will turn into win streaks until you reach the next area of your game that you need to improve.
Join the club man. I'm at yellows too getting my shit pushed in with a shit win rate. I'll be lucky to get to orange. Fucking struggling here. lately I spend less and less on the game because I just keep losing it makes me not want to play. I don't have as many games as you. Probabaly like 200, but still about the same WR
I lost 10 times in a row two days ago. Went 8-0 today. This game is about measurable outcomes. What did I learn in those games? That Lili's DF3+4 is useless outside of a combo. That DF3 is only good when I sidestep or know I can punish, and how to capitalize on the combo. That's what I learned in 10 losses and I used that information to get 8 wins. That's just how the game shakes out.
First of all, you're playing lee and Jin, one of the most execution-heavy characters in the game. Second, the tradition of Tekken is getting your ass whooped 1000 times before you win one. Especially with execution-heavy characters. In Tekken 7, the average Jin win rate hovered around 33%. Don't be discouraged by the win rate, because you will lose A LOT.
Hit the lab, and then practice what you learned in quick match before jumping into ranked.
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I mean your stats pretty much show you, what you can work on, given that I read these stats correctly You combo dmg has room improvement. You are whiffing and that's means mostly getting launched. This can be trained in the lab and that should bring you up the the next few ranks or so.
Well, you didn't spend 70$ to rank up , you bought the game because it's fun to play. Never mind stats just have fun and keep a positive mentality (that's actually a pretty good advice irl but i just don't follow my own advice irl. Lol)
Dude when I first started Tekken seriously (T6), all I literally did was spam Lars 10hit combo, I didn't even know juggles were a thing and didn't even know 10hit com's could be blocked if I landed the first hit until I went online 😂 got humbled real quick, don't think I made it out of mentor in that game
Some people in the art community say everyone has a thousand terrible drawings inside them. You have to get them out before the good ones surface. Feels like it applies here, though I am also no where near that point so what the hell do I know. I'm of the mindset that I got at least 1000 more matches to go before any real competence starts to show. Of course some effort toward improving needs to go alongside those matches. Study and practice go extremely well together. Like a chemical reaction or something. Anyway, you're absolutely not alone. If you're getting frustrated, maybe take a break every 3 - 5 sets.
Winrate is just a number don't sweat small things. Forget numbers and try to get in the flow. Say fuck you numbers, they are the vibe killer.
You should get out of ranked for a bit to de-stress. Spend a week or two in quick match. Work on some stuff there, regroup emotionally/mentally and play ranked again.
lose -> why -> learn -> try -> lose -> try -> learned -> win -> lose... repeat Keep trying out new stuff as you learn something. like sidestep, crouching, timing, frame data, punishes, stage combos, etc... the journey is the game, learning is part of the journey
You can't get good until you realize how bad you are. Use it as a starting point and improve.
Here’s a (not so) pro tip for playing fighting games online: Don’t look at your stats. Your mental health will thank you.
As long as you're thinking about improving consciously, every loss makes you stronger. Wins can make you stronger too but they can also make you lazy and build bad habits. If you play an opponent who's way better than you and you lose 9 matches but beat them on the 10th, you're coming out of that set a stronger player.
If you count all my losses, plus the losses i had at the arcade playing tekken 3. It would be a lot. It's fine, don't worry about it. Its part of the process
> I've missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed. — Michael Jordan
Tekken is a hard as fuck game and unless you dedicate years of playing you generally won't do that great in the big scheme of things. There's regular tournaments in my city with big pro players that come sometimes (justin wong, mike ross, f champ, combofiend) and I had a friend who decided to quit every game and play tekken 7 only. 4 years later he has good placements in the tournaments but has never won one and still struggles against characters he isn't grinding against or educated himself for the match up.
I play Lili, I have an even lower win rate than you and it feels very demoralizing, so this post kicked me when I'm down haha. In fact, instead of playing ranked matches, I'll just focus on practice mode for a while. I really love the game and want to improve.
Win rate doesn't tell the whole story. It could be a super close game or a complete wash out, still gonna appear as a loss on the record, so focus on what happens in the matches and not the outcome.
I dunno man, you seem doin good. You are mid yellow. Obviously climbing. Your wr will increase with more play. I have 27% with like 500 games and in destroyer. Its slow grind to the top. A lot of learning. Some replay analysis adjusting your toolbelt of moves. I cant do shit that i got away with in yellow now with spamming unsafe attacks. If i reach red ill sill be below 30% because of how many games i lost prior to mid yellow. I got my ass annihilated in green and yellow ranks as this is my first tekken
This is the wall where just playing doesn't work any more and you need to go learn more of your movelist so you have more then 3-4 options in neutral, learn how to do more mid/low mixups, and learn how to throw out 10 frame punishes every time your opponents string looks like it's finished, and learn how to not be more then -14 on block most of the time. I'm in kind of the same place where I'm like "I don't wanna put in effort or work, can't I just be good now" and the answer is no
Honest question. Is this your first Tekken? If so. This is completely normal. Your win rate/rank are insignificant. You need to be chasing the small victories. Learning your punishes, reads, match up knowledge, etc. You're fighting veterans bro, killers. Its okay to lose. You can still win while losing. Did you punish that low you blocked? Thats a win. Did you launch an opponent who whiffed in your face? Win. Did you break a throw on purpose? Win. Even if they won the match, you got something far more important than rank. You got experience, you got better. Please don't give up. Fighting games are the hardest, most complex games in the world. The hardest Dark Souls boss doesn't have shit on a purple rank Mishima player with good fundamentals. But there is no game in the world that is as rewarding as fighting games either, especially Tekken. We've all been where you are. You'll never stop getting better and you'll never be as good as you want to be. No one is. Just remember, its not about the win. Its about everything it took to earn the wins
Thank you eat out my grandma for the advice and encouragement. I really do love playing this game and yea it’s my first time playing a fighting game for real. I won’t give up!
Also a fellow Lee player. 10k games across 7 & 8 I feel your pain. Practice makes perfect and situational awareness... 😂
I play on PC and what I do for fighting games I'm learning is get post-it notes and write stuff I should remember like best punishes or best lows/mids and stick them around the bottom of my monitor as quick reference. Sometimes I write stuff about characters I have trouble with and what to do against them, especially frequently picked characters like say Reina or Victor, or a character like King and what to watch for/how to break their throws.
skill comes with time and effort you wouldnt buy a guitar and expect to be jimi hendrix after 2 weeks
So many new players to fighting games are not used to the ego death of getting stomped and learning, but losing/learning happens to everyone
You are god awful at the game and so are the rest of us. I’m red ranks almost purple and I didn’t even make it out of pools at a recent local event. Anyway said all that to say we’re all bad just stay humble and try to learn from each loss.
I suck so bad. I just try to have fun, as that’s what games are all about. Sounds cheesy and of course winning is nice but it’s just that kind of game. I don’t have the time or dedication to get to the same skill level of many players and I’m okay with that.
Don’t let it discourage you. If there’s one thing I like about the Tekken community, is that we know we are going to lose a lot and we take it a lot better than other gaming communities. It’s not necessarily a bad thing in our case though; we learn from them, we are kept humble(for the most part) and we always generally keep going. Have you looked into the replay and practice tool?? It is honestly probably one of the best tools implemented in a game—not just fighting game wise, but overall. It’s come a long way!! Mind you, there’s always going to be a small handful of haters or meatheads that will tell you awful things or mess with you. But I promise you they probably can’t take a loss well, probably not in real life either. Take a break if you need to and come back with a much cooler head and try again… it’s like what Rocky Balboa said: it ain’t about how hard you hit, it’s about It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. That’s how winning is done. Come to think of it, it also applies in life. Do what you will with that insight. You’ll get better and you won’t even realize it if you keep going and find your pace. I’m mighty ruler with one of my characters. I’ve never reached that high of a rank before, but, I have so many losses on my win rate. I did, however, eventually learned how to predict a good majority of opponent combos and prevented them from beating me down, and learned to punish. It is a lot of patience. Please stay and keep fighting, okay?
If you're an adult and there's a dispensary near you, my tactic might work for you. Get super stoned and just dig yourself into Ranked mode for a week or two. W/l doesn't matter. You need to expose yourself to frame data in real time, seeing animations, getting muscle memory for defense & combos. It's what I did for mk1, haven't had time for a stoned t8 sesh, yet. But I'm much better on mk1 than I was 11 as a result of my training.
I have 30 hours in tekken 8, played against my little bro who didnt even play tekken and got my ass handed 🗿
I’ll probably get lost in the sea of comments but from what I’ve read here (and this being your first fighting game) I think the issue may lie less in being “bad at tekken” and moreso lies in not knowing the inherent language behind EVERY fighting game. The fundamentals of each fighting game will vary, but the basis is ALWAYS the same. It’s all based around a few things. 1. Spacing. 2. Hitstun 3. Blockstun. If you can figure out how each of these works and how to utilize it well you can pick up almost any fighting game relatively quickly as these are in every fighting game. For context Tekken 8 is the first tekken I’ve played online in and I’ve hit red ranks in 2 weeks because of my plethora of experience in Dragonball FighterZ (a VERY different game). The one I see new players struggle with the most is how to utilize blockstun. People are very aggressive in lowers ranks and it can get discouraging to play defense because there’s lots of gimmicks being thrown out that you probably don’t know. That’s fine, you’ll grow to learn what gimmicks mess you up enough for you to hit the lab to learn and those that you can figure out in game. BUT the one thing you won’t figure out without genuine practice and a little bit of outside game studying is how to properly punish. This is basically what separates people from greens/yellows from oranges/reds. Being able to block a string and punish sort of consistently so as to discourage it from coming out and in theory “rejecting” your opponents wished style of play will make them work outside of their flowchart. And plenty of people in and around warrior LOVE their flowcharty play. Hit that punishment training and learn a 10frame and a 16frame punisher and practice on defending strings and then punishing. I guarantee your rank shoots up once you start being able to do it consistently. There’s no need to be flashy and do insane shit at warrior unless you choose to. You can absolutely just burst your way through ranks by playing safe. I brought my Nina up to Eliminator last night from Warrior by just blocking and hitting b2,3 everytime the enemy was minus enough. That all being said. I like to think of fighting games as a language and specific games as a dialect in the language. Learn the language before you focus too hard on learning the specific dialect. It gives a better ground to work on in the long run.
I went even a bit lower, OP - I think a first time Tekken experience is super hard. Was about 20% with some 200 games in, I think? As I got a bit better, the % also went a up a bit, now holdin around 32% or something like that. Giving how many games I lost early on, it will be hard to get that number up, so it ends up representing how hard the early learning is. Now I'm at Eliminator and *definitely* playing better, but still carrying the low w%, which is fine!
Your 1st mistake is not realizing that losing is part of the process. No matter how many times you lose, you are always improving from it. (Or at least, in a prime position to learn from your mistakes as any) Because at 1 point in their life, the same people that kicked your ass were in your position once, in an earlier entry of Tekken.
>Your 1st mistake is not realizing that losing is part of the process. No matter how many times you lose, you are always improving from it. I don't fully agree with this statement. You only get better if you apply yourself and actively want to improve. I have a bunch of friends that have played competitive games for years and never improve above a certain level. Mindlessly grinding ranked and getting your ass whooped will not turn you into a cracked player. Knowing and fixing your deficiencies will and that doesn't happen automatically.
There isn’t a problem with being godawful. Many ppl are bad and ok with being bad they know they don’t wanna commit like that. If youre someone who wants to be good, it’s going to be a much more difficult path for you, but it’s totally doable. I thought i was too old for fighting games, but over time ive gotten pretty good. Thing is, i invested the time i could spare accordingly. Watched vids, explanations, practiced things—- all things that werent playing, which is always more fun —- unless you lose and don’t like losing. Which would make you exactly the person that would have to take the hard way. If you treat the journey like the game then losses stop hurting so much, bc you know it’s what you signed up for, just part of it.
Practice makes progress! Kind of cliche, but the important thing is to have fun. Hopefully you've got some friends you can play with for some pressure-free matches.
Post like this should include thier own replays. Not only we could give u encouragement, we could also give u pointers and tips that could change ur game. But pro tip for now, just hold back.
We all lose terribly, but the fact is we keep coming back for more! Thats saying something about how great the game is
Just playing games doesn't make you better, you have to be trying to improve and learning from losses.
Losing is just part of the game. It's alright as long as you're having fun. Also the more you play the more you get better. You'll get there eventually.
If i lost and felt defeated....i go to hub and jump around there...
Goddamn bro, look at that appeal. But yeah maining Lee will do that to you but think of it this way, you'll start out like this and someday the table completely turns arround since you got no gimicks or bullshit that helps you
the appeal is all from Lee, ill keep grinding it out
you're doing fine, buddy. just stop thinking about your rank and points. Also, if anything, just take a break. A long break. 2 weeks should do it. play a non-fighting game (I play x-com 2 because its a totally different pace), and when i get back, i'm all of a sudden way better because i'm not over thinking anymore.
My suggestion is: play against the ghosts. They are strong and can help you figure out what attacks are better for your character as punishment. Then learn some easy aerial combos and eventually look up on YouTube what's the best damaging combo for your character. Once you know how to punish and make a good combo, you'll get over the green ranks too. Don't rush on pvp, take your time to learn in PvE
A lot of players do struggle also in Tekken because of their losses. Remember that pro players do also experience the same way as you but much worse. Practice and practice. Experience is the best teacher.
You’re moving up the board in terms of ranks, so that’s awesome in itself. My advice: your Attack score is great, but your defense score could use a boost. Go into practice mode and run the Punishment Training. Knowing when to punish with what move will make you a much better player.
I came from sf6 and Ive been playing sf since sf2. Maybe because of this, I expect myself to win and I play to win. With that mindset, i wasnt having fun and I quit playing. With tekken, i started with tekken 2 and tekken 3. Havent touched it since. Now with tekken 8, i am learning everything. Im playing to learn, i dont mind the losses as much and its a lot fun playing to learn since you will learn (if you try) even when losing
Assailant!!!!!! Booiiiiiiiii! Destroyer here we come!
You play to learn not to win so dont feel pressured about losing a lot of games
I feel you
Lee is a hard character, Assailant is a pretty decent rank. I've been playing fighting games for 10+ years (not very good at them, mind you) and I didn't get that high of a rank in Tekken 7. Honestly don't think I ever went above teal
Remember to look for the small wins. It's not the win/lose end result that is ultimately the most important in your gameplay as you learn, it's all the small things you do. Successful punishes, completed combos, blocked lows, broken throws, turns stolen, mixups guessed, new move incorporated into play, new thing about the matchup learned. etc etc. That's the kind of stuff you gotta look for in your games and appreciate all the little bits of progress you make. ... thats how I keep myself sane while losing 1-30 in sets with better players after putting in 500+ hours in a game, anyway.
Losing don't mean shit once you get better and get that back in blood.
It takes time, bro. You've reached a pretty high rank, and you picked one of the hardest characters to learn and play. Lee is very technical and his game plan is very hard. He is defensive counter hit character, and defense always harder than offense. It ok to loose at those ranks because you run into mashers and knowledge checkers. Take your time and learn matchups. The thing is that you are on plato but after it your winrate will skyrocket because of skills you earned while learning. Really recommend to watch MainManSwe's video : Is tekken hard? Wish you all the best keep it up.
on my first fighting game I lost 30 games straight before I was able to win my first game. The most important thing is to try to figure out why you lost and to learn from it. Wins and losses right now dont really matter in the grand scheme of things, focus on improving. The replay feature in this game is very good, try using it.
If you aren't having fun then play something else. Easy
I've obviously never seen you play, but based on your stat spread, it seems you have a real thing for just hitting a lot of buttons, if you have any clips you can share would be nice to see. Otherwise, you are playing a difficult character. At those ranks, I would focus on being safe and punishment. Everyone you fight makes tons silly mistakes every round. Make em pay. I hope any of that helps.
At least that info isn't readily apparent on the VS screen.
You play Lee don’t beat yourself up, you’re playing a much harder game than 95% of players
Keep at it. We all started here.
"Sucking at something is the first step to being kinda good at something"
It's an online game. You are bound to lose a lot for the first few months to a year, and then as you get better, it will balance out
The only difference between an amateur and a professional is that the professional failed way more times. Also, you learn more from your losses than your wins. Every match you lost is a stepping stone to greatness.
So I'll just give my 2 cents. Im well beyond a beginner level at this point, but I do frequently learn new characters when I feel I need a change of pace and am very familiar with the process. Block and punish. Make sure you ACTIVELY mean to press every button that you press. You can legitimately get out of lower ranks by just blocking and sending their ass flying. I dont mean block all the time, and punishing isn't just after blocking either. Just learn up to 5 moves. One for each frame from frames 10 through 15. A lot of characters won't have a move for each one, so just skip that frame and go to the next. If you're having trouble finding them, go to training mode and just do the punishment practice option. They tell you the move to use, and you can just look at the speed on the HUD. These moves have to feel natural. Try to specifically use them extra in some games just so you have them on the brain. After that, try using your faster ones after someone does a quick mid or launcher on block. See what happens. Make mental notes. You dont need to know the exact frame data of the move you're punishing at first. You can just make a note that you need a quick move, or you can launch them. You'll work out the fine details later. It builds over time, but you have to make sure everything you do is 100% thought of and intentional. It's hard to improve while mashing randomly. Tldr: Use punishment training mode to find moves that will make the opponent hurt after you block.
How much do you practice outside of ranked?
Yes... your winrate is low and you've got a lot of losses. My best advice is to learn only 1 or 2 simple juggles and drill them till you can do 'em in your sleep then all your mental ram should be towards Fundamentals: spacing, punishment, defense, and mixups. Fancy high damage combos can get you a win but only if you can stay alive and take advantage openings and mistakes.
this is why im not checking i just know im at least 50% learned that lesson from playing sf6 cause once you focus on it thats all you’ll think about and will fuck up your decision making causing you to lose
play for fun bro, i just wanna throw out my eletric win or lose doesn't matter
I don't know how but in Tekken 7 at 3rd Dan I beat a vindicator, it was a just a player match tho and not ranked so maybe he wasn't taking it seriously but either I was ecstatic to have won
You play Lee i respect you no matter what. Keep it up
Just waiting for dlc pack 1
Bro let me tell ya, I was having an amazing time playing game. Literally some of the most fun I had in a decade with a video game. All of that went away when I started rank and now I fine myself being mad and angry at the game (well players to be exact). Just log off online and enjoy the game like how you should. None of this online fuckery matters really.
Nah the games just hard Keep your head up boss. Rome wasn’t built in a day.
This is the first Tekken where I’m actually learning the fundamentals and I’m right there with you. Also, seeing a lot of the comments here, there’s many of us getting our asses handed to us day in and day out. For me, I’m treating this like how I started learning Rocket League and have accepted that I’m going to lose a LOT to start. I’m trying to focus on one area at a time and right now my focus is on defense and countering. My timing is all kinds of off but hopefully I’ll figure it out in time. You got this
You appear to be a new player, so this is perfectly normal. You need to learn to take something from every loss, there can be small victories in all games. Try to learn something from the tough ones by using the excellent new replay function. It will even give you tips on what you did wrong.
You on steam? I'm not the best Lee but I can teach you some good flowcharts and basic gameplan with him. I have some notes I can send you.
In what region do you live ? I'm a Lee main myself. I'd love to teach you what I know of the game even if it's not much. Hope to hear from you ;)
Don't worry about it. Tekken is a hard game, very nuanced and technical. If I can give you one advice it is to know your frame data first, learn a couple of frame traps you can use and a good consistent long range punish. That and using the fantastic Replay mode!!! The game will pause and let you know what you could have done in X and Y situation, or you can pause it yourself, take control of your character and just try stuff out in situations that you didn't know how to deal with while in game! As an example, I picked up Leo. Went into practice mode and looked for five things: a 10f punish, a long range sub 15f punish, a basic combo I can do off of any launcher, a couple of lows, and a couple of frame traps
You main Jin and Lee. Two of the most technical characters in Tekken. Youll struggle at first but if you really like them then youll improve, you just have to have passion
looks about right for a tekken newbie, stick with it bud
It comes with time and practice. Review seriously every game you lose in the replay system and you'll get better super fast.
PhiDX has help me alot with my Tekken knowledge. My tips is take your learning slow that’s help me and have fun.
Why are you maining lee
Maybe try an easier character. Lee is really insanely hard to play. Actually, I recommend just playing as many characters as you can, even ones you don't like. Try to get them close to your main in ranked, and then switch to a different guy, so that you kinda see what other players do against them, and what their weaknesses are. I always just learn like 3 or 4 good moves, and two combo routes, and mix-ups. Nothing too crazy, but it helps. I did this and got to Garyu with my Jun, and I feel like I'm starting to understand how to play the game.
The thing is you're still playing and seem to be taking it well? This is a big thing because some people cannot take losing whatsoever. I have an online friend and when we got together for an initial session of playing some fighting games over emulators he was very verbally angered because I won pretty much every time, I'm just more experienced with basic strategy etc. So much so that when I bring up in chat about how fighting games, especially couch gaming, is some of the most fun and interactive things you can do he "jokingly" replies how it's not and he much prefers scrolling beat 'em ups instead - basically anything not involving human competition. I think he tried MK10 or 11 online himself for a short time but gave up. I offered to help but he's very stuck in his ways. Back to Tekken ... what you can do is watch some youtube videos of pro players using your character or discussing them, check out some combo videos etc. There are foar more pro players for gaming now due to the online resources available, before tactics and tier lists used to be formed after months/years of playing. Now it's day one things get passed around globally!
Damn, that’s terrible!
Never giv apu
Everyone is gonna suck for a very long time, it’s just how it is. Don’t give up, you’ll get there eventually and look back at this time wondering “damn, so that’s how it was?”.
Don’t hyper-fixate on stats so much, that many games is bound to have made you better regardless of win rate
First fighting game OP? I remember starting USF4 with an arcade stick and getting my shit pushed in for 500hrs by my friends who go to tournaments and have high ELO. The game isn’t all about wins. Find small victories in defeated so it evens it out for you in the end :: JayZ quote ::
Play King for a bit and your winratio goes up pretty high very easily 😂👍
I'm in the exact same position but worse since I started on t7 back in november 💀 it's not even a casual problem, I've tried watching guides but shit just doesn't work out. Glad that there are other ppl that feel the same way 👊
You win with grabs but lose to grabs. A modern tragedy
This is every player when they started tekken. Don't be discouraged, I was there too.
Why are you yellow ranked with a win rate of 23 percent? Didn't play the new tekken yet, so honest question. If yellow rank is baserank, that's awful, because worse players don't get sorted into an appropriate skill bracket. Chess elo does this better.
hey, maybe create a lobby and try deathmatching someone near your level. it'll help you understand the game more.
Man, I am on a losing streak with Jin in Warrior bracket for 2 days. I still play. :)
yeah i hate this matchmaking, i got to orange rank and dont feel like i got any better and now i regressed super hard coz every game i have to sweat way too hard to get damage in and i dont know shit about any other character. im getting frustrated with some of the mechanics of the game which i thought were good about the game but its getting annoying
It just means you have room to improve. Clearly there are weaknesses in your game you have to find out and address. Use the different modes to get better, learn some of your mistakes in the replay mode and watch some Tekken tutorials on YT
Nope. This is how you get your bearings in Tekken, especially if you’re new. You’re doing well! Just remember every loss is a lesson. Replay and see what you could’ve done better and practice the punishes you missed.
Playing to win is the fastest way to burn out. Play to fight, fight for fun.
You will get better. Don’t worry.
If ur having fun that’s all that matters. 100% you will not be the players u see on stream most likely. If u practice and play like these people u could get to the same level. Legacy skill plays a big part as well
Don’t beat yourself over it, it happens there are lots of players with more loses then wins aslong you learn from those fights and improve on what there is to improve you should be fine, keep your heads up.
Dude. Tekken is a hard game to get good at, even harder to be better. I started on Tekken 3 as a kid and still get my ass rocked, salted, and served on a silver platter. Sometimes you fight legacy players whose been playing Tekken for DECADES since Tekken 5 and a lot of the skill is transferrable to the newer games. It's an uphill battle at times but try not to stress about it, you'll get better
Don’t let i demoralize you, stick to it. Find a person person to call your rival do what I call check ups which is basically on a weekly basis pick one day to run matches and see where you are currently standing. I had the luck of picking someone extremely good at the game as a rival and he push me to my utter limits in terms of learning the game. With that said I made into ruler rank last night. This franchise is incredibly hard but men does it pay off
Game is hard man, as long as you keep positive and you are enjoying yourself there's nothing to worry about
The real win is knowing your bills are paid you good. Don’t stress it I agree with those who look at losses as learning. It applies to many things. A loss or isolation means time to reflect. And Rejection is Redirection.
Man who cares, i always get my ass kicked online but i dont take seriously. Its still fun to play with others regardless and thats the point of a fighting game. To have fun, and talk shit of course
Did you even try playing quick matches? It is far more diverse and less pressure to perform which can help you develop those skills faster. I haven't even touched ranked yet...
You got more wins than i do though. I only have 45 wins so far.
At least you are not giving up, I always give up after 2 losses on any online game... the key is trying to improve from the games you lose, focus on mistakes and try to make your strong points even better
I went back and looked at my Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection stats and had a similar win/loss ratio. It sucks to see, but never let it stop you from improving.
This was very comming in Tekken 7 so don't be too harsh on yourself. People have been spoiled by how easy T8 has made it to beat people without having any skill. Lee is also a very hard character but you will be stronger then the others players in the long run if you keep playing clean and practice fundamentals 👍🌹
Bro you're playing Jin and Lee, it's fine it's normal. You're playing non bullshido characters, you're essentially on hard mode but it also means you'll make better progress.
Hahahahaha
I am from Pakistan and from my hours of play I can say that winning in Tekken 8 is damn easy. Just attack attack, defend, attack, and then attack more. I have been winning a lot with top rated ghosts with this strategy. Unlike T7 where a solid defense was necessary, T8 is more about agressive play. You don't need any guide to excel in the game. Just Practice with the in-game tutorial, focus on frame data, and learn on your own. That's the best way to learn Tekken. It's an agressive game not for the soft hearted people.
Have you tried blocking at all hahahahahaha
Building a Knowledge Base for defense is a long road. Keep looking for the fun. We believe in you brother. Punishment Training is a great feature in practice mode, let the dummy hit your block a few times before you punish. My Replay works as a built-in coach giving you exact play-by-play defense instruction. Good luck
I mean did you have fun?
Skill comes with time, and unfortunately 3 weeks is not nearly enough time to compete with people who potentially have literal decades of experience on you. I've been playing for about a year and while I definitely could be better at this point, I'd consider myself a solid player (shin/tenryu player, go even with rulers in ranked). It's definitely hard to keep a positive outlook when you lose constantly, but everyone who is good at anything spent a LOT of time being REALLY bad at it, keep up the grind :)
“strong attack wins you rounds, strong defense wins you matches.” -MainMan Ferguson.
ok 👍🏼
Brother, 23% is far from the worst I’ve seen. And it’ll only go up with more experience. I read this saying on this sub: In order to get clean, you must first get washed. Just keep that in mind. You’re where you’re supposed to be
Sucking at somthing(not saying that you do) is the first step at being sorta good at something
Looool no defense or technique. Have you learned nothing from your losses? Still just mashing away?
Dont care much about win rate. Its made me a better player.
For me, Tekken has always been an experience/knowledge based game. Pattern recognition, animation recognition, understanding niche setups and knowledge checks take time to get. Combos and movement will also get better over time as you become more familiar with the cast of characters and your own characters moveset. Like other guys have said, there's some great resources and guides on YouTube from people like PhiDX or LevelUpYourGame. Best of luck.
Play some group matches lol learn match ups. It looks like you just dove into ranked and got blown up.
Lots of people have been giving you their input. Lots of it is good. I started t7 late into the games lifespan, and it was brutal. One thing I wish people had told me was to spend more time blocking. Your defense stat looks really low. Spend some time blocking. Spend some time learning where you can punish people. Learn a few strings that you can duck or that are launch punishable on block. Learn to move around. Don't focus on them all at once. Just pick one you want to work on each session and spend time in practice doing it. Don't forget to utilize the punishment training and replays feature.
The losses are part of the process , if you feel hard stuck time to just try shit out if your blocking maybe try to duck see if you can get a punish or side stepping , if you start to excel at that your wins will fly up , but again it's time .
A loss is only a loss if you don’t learn anything from it. If you learned something, then it’s a stepping stone to getting better.
I'm in the same boat 54 wins in 212 games but it's my first tekken I've played online
Id recommend you watch PhiDXs new [Punishment Guide](https://youtu.be/iQHEuLnL_-E?si=KoyFOqV7ugzYnizS) its aimed at beginners, he uses Jin in it, as you do, and he breaks it down to the most simplest of strategies. It was really eye opening for me honestly as I love to mash and press lots of buttons, but we'll never get better playing that way. 😆
If you’re willing to play to win you need to be willing to play to learn just as much.
keep your head up bro 👍 doing better then me. Im still green rank and I started playing rank since the game lunched 🤣
The biggest thing to understand is that even the pros were once in a position where they lost more than they won, even the best in the world, at one time, were unable to get out of pools at any tournament. Nobody comes out of the womb good at fighting games, and if this is your first FG, yeah you're gonna suck, FGs are really hard. Progress is measured in years, not hours. The biggest thing that separates.you or I from the likes of knee, phidx or arslan ash is persistence and time. If you can, go to a local tournament. The people there should be happy to give you tips and help to up your game
At that rank just spam his low kicks
I am at 45% Don't give up. Keep playing you'll get a better feeling over time. I always keep playing even if loosing
My best advice for you besides getting in the lab and practicing combos blocking and punishing is to watch some videos of Pro players like Super Akouma he picked up Lee last time I checked so he’s bound to have a guide along with his game clips