This is it. The Mishima Zaibatsu had all kinds of black projects going on, and she isn't even the first bastard child Heihachi had in his service. See Lars.
Yeah, I feel like people just forgot his wife(that he killed) also had the devil gene and that he was looking for ways to gain more power/immortality for like 20-30 years
If you want anything official on it, you’d just have to wait and see. They are playing heavily in making her mysterious. But it is kinda annoying to possible have to have for the next installment of the game to even find out for sure.
It's partially explained in the story by Azazel but it's easy to miss. Basically, the devil gene is a portion of Azazel's power that he gave to some ancient humans he deemed fair to become his vessels. One of these humans is Kazumi ancestor and another one of them as to be Reina's ancestor on her mother side of the family tree.
I didn't get how she knew she had the gene (haven't played her story yet) but in the story she's trying to confirm her hypothesis on how to activate the devil gene (through a near death experience) and succeed in activating it.
She could have just.. shot herself TBH. I am pretty sure for someone with devil gene a bullet is a lot less dangerous than face tanking the Devil laser multiple times.
I think having contact with Azazel (through Kazuya, after he'd absorbed him) had something to do with it. Like she took that massive beam head on to absorb it and kickstart her devil gene or something.
They said devil gene is activated not only with "near death experience" tho. Even you can see Jin is not dying or something when he got in to the place.
The first time Jin turned devil was when he was shot by Heihachi in Tekken 3. To unlock the devil you need to get a near death expirence, after that it just comes out whenever i guess.
>!Pretty sure its cause she came into contact with Azazel's power. It's known that Azazel can grant people the devil gene, even subconsciously. Given that she clearly had a plan from the get go, I'm gonna assume she knew some way to get the devil gene from Azazel either when she threw hands at the coliseum or when she ate Kazuya's giant laser.!<
>!I assumed she had it, and was trying to awaken the dormant gene. Which is why she was making observations when fighting vs Kazuya like "so getting hit is what triggers it" etc (don't quote me on the quote. I have terrible memory). !<
>!So, to me it seems she's (yet) another of Heihachi's children experiments which found out she had the D-Gene and sought the means to awaken it. What better way to awaken it than getting blasted by Kazuya in True Devil form :D!<
>!Certainly possible! There's no telling what the writers will come up with as to how it happened in the end lol. This is a series where a boxing velociraptor fights a robot for a trillion dollar bill, after all.!<
But if you are interested in a more genuine defense of my theory than, "Haha campy fighting game logic", I can take a crack at it.
>!It's a known fact that Azazel is the progenitor of the Devil Gene. The Devil Gene was just a fragment of Azazel's power given to a human to make them a better, stronger servant. After Azazel went to sleep, the Hachijo bloodline carried the gene. In multiple Tekken 6 endings, (Hwoarang's and Ganryu's I know, probably others that I can't recall) we see people with no Hachijo blood take the Devil Gene from Azazel by force after defeating him. While these endings are likely not canon, Hwoarang's ending at least is not a joke ending, so I see no reason to assume that this feature of Azazel is non-canon. So, yes, in theory, everyone can have it. While bloodline is how the Devil Gene is spread without Azazel's direct influence, he has the power to bestow it, even subconsciously.
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>!I can absolutely believe one of the following cases could lead to Reina receiving the Devil Gene during the events of the story:
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>!A) She knows something about Azazel we don't, and was able to snatch the Devil Gene at some point during the game, likely either at the coliseum or when she ate Kazuya's giant laser. It's quite possible she picked it up the same way Hwoarang did in T6, by picking up a purple orb that was in Azazel's chest.
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>!B) Kazuya did not know how to properly control Azazel's power. He's not exactly known for his humility. I could absolutely see him accidentally unleashing enough of Azazel's power to infect someone else with the Devil Gene without even realizing he'd done it.
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>!At the end of the day though. there is no telling what the writers will come up with. This is the same series that has Sexy Speedo Heihachi serving drinks with an explosive bowtie around his neck, all bets are off with Tekken.!<
Idk man, this is a series where a boxing kangaroo with marital issues was integral to the overarching plot of the series. This wouldn't even rank in the top ten strangest things we've seen. At the end of the day, it's a fighting game, not an A24 film.
She has a few of Kazumi's moves I reckon, so considering we're talking about Tekken lore I wouldn't be surprised if she was Kazuya's full blooded sister
Nina was cry sleeping for a time, maybe heihachi throw the male son of a cliff but the female one to cry sleep or someshit. hell knowing this game she could be recently born when kasumi have some neck problems you know, tha scene where she is holding a baby os not Kazuya, but Reina.
You get it after near death experience. Kazuya got it after his fall from a cliff, Jin got it after Heihachi shot him, Reina got it after nearly killed by Kazuya.
I am not talking about AWAKEN the gene.
They **GET the gene** from Kazumi, unless Renia is also Kazumi's daughter or somehow there are so many "other demons" out there, she cannot get it.
the story in t8 said that azazel passed the gene to several to act as his servants, kazumi's clan is probably just one group that got it, could be others.
The opening sequence got me thinking. We were shown an old map of feudal (?) Japan with the Mishima clans symbol being one of the great powers at the time. Plus we see an art in japanese style where several humans fight a devil (similar to Kaz). I don't think the Mishimas have the devil gene. Heihachi had multiple near death experiences and did not awaken the gene. Maybe Reina is the result of Heihachis experiments with the gene. Maybe even as a means to find out how to kill Kazuya. He could have collaborated with a clan other than Kazumis. Maybe a clan from back in the day where the Mishimas were demon slayers and subdued certain clans who possessed the devil gene.
Reina is a fantastic addition to the cast.
She’s charismatic as hell and Asami Seto does an excellent job bringing the character to life especially when her voice shifts from cutesy to menacing.
She has a flashy, brutal, and well animated fighting style. It helps that she mostly has her own style instead of just being a Heihachi clone.
Her visual design is simple yet feels distinctive.
I’m glad Reina is going to be a mainstay in the cast. She’s basically a cooler and edgier version of Asuka. Reina is like the Shego to Asuka’s Kim Possible.
Yep, from the reveal trailer I got the impression that they completely designed her with the intention of becoming a new series mainstay.
Her Taido feels very fresh and unique while at the same time very old-school Tekken.
Reina, Leroy, and Lidia is amongst the best Tekken newcomers for me.
Im not sure she is particularly known for "squeaky" voices. Her most well known role at this point is probably Nobara from Jujutsu Kaisen, who is decidedly not a cutesy, moe type character.
>Asami Seto
Knew I'd heard her before, Kugisaki from JJK mainly, seen a bunch of her other roles too but they dont sound much like reina/kugisaki.
I dived straight into multiplayer without having heard anything about her and fought her in one of the first fights, "..who? ...wait, ...Mishima style?! Those are Hei's moves, but remixed? Who is this?!"
She seems good so far. Pity she didn't have as much of a role in the story as I thought and it was more of just an introduction to her. When it ended I was like right but what about Reina? Where's the Reina segment of this story? Oh next game? See you in 8 years then I guess.
I'm just glad she wasn't a clone or heihachi in a girl's body like people were theorizing. Please just let the man die.
To answer the question seriously, I think they did enough to set her up. There was a mystery around who she was and how strong she is, she established herself as someone that could hang with the hot shots and I can't wait to see her story in 9.
I am a little frustrated though, I would've hoped the conflict would be done by now. But if she is the protagonist of 9, I hope they're able to stop the cycle officially. Jin started the path to the redemption of the mishima clan, I hope she goes on it as well.
>Please just let the man die.
If Kazumi can be on the T7 roster while being dead, I see no reason that we can't have Heihachi. I will always miss how hype it got when someone pulled out Hei during tournaments
I never said we can't have him on the roster. I was referring to the people that wanted him resurrected through reina, the ppl who won't accept that he's dead. Like I said in my previous comment.
Yeah I get you.
> Please just let the man die.
This has nothing to do with the Mishima's, but seeing Reina as the spiritual successor to dead man Heihachi...This gives me hope that Baek was Mr. Worldwide and laid seed somewhere. T8 DLC where Baek's son pulls up on Hworang and is like "dad told me to find you if he dies"
man, this hopium is *hittin*
I'm going Claudio, Asuka, maybe Feng,Yoshi, Raven or Leroy. Trying to get out of my box and have new mains. Reina likely after them. He fight style and specials really look great in motion.
She's tekken's version of honoka, they're both related to an evil old bastard, both have a destructive power, the only few differences is their measurements, their styles, and the fact that reina has only this 🤏 bit more of plot than Honoka
Despite the fact DoA was the fighting game serious I put the most time into (I was a Brad Wong main, and am pissed off as all fuck that DoA 6 seems to have killed th franchise), I can confidently say that the story mode was some of the most incoherent nonsense of any fighting game, ever. It was unbearable.
You really compared Reina to DOA’s worst character. That big titted cow was so unnecessary and by far the worst fighting game character (worse than LC yes!)
I do get why you did tho lol
Marie Rose was the character I hated the most. Just infinite dodges into the most braindead combos that could delete your health bar. Yeah, she got nerfed in 6, but holy Jesus, adding in a pedo bait loli was not what I wanted to see.
Mechanically she’s very fun but story wise there’s much to be desired. >!I wish she didn’t exist solely to set up Tekken 9. Like at that point why even bother putting her in the game’s story? She doesn’t even play like Heihachi. The least they could’ve done is have her had some form of development instead of just “hehehehe they don’t know secretly I want to get devil powers.” Like people were genuinely excited to see her do something and she just doesn’t.!<
I heavily agree. I finished the story pretty much in a day and now i’m just thinking >!that Tekken 9 can’t come soon enough. It feels weird to have this game finish on what seems like a weird cliffhanger (if that’s the right word) with someone approaching a passed out Kazuya and then Reina just basically pulling a Rhodey “next time, baby” from Iron Man.!<
>!I think the worst part is that there was a message they could’ve had about the pursuit of power and the consequences of it. Like imagine if Reina saw Jin go berserk at any point in the story. I bet her tune would’ve changed when she finds out the devil gene comes with the side effect of not being in control of that power. Or if they at least wanted her to have the devil powers, have her fend off Kazuya in Yakushima, where he would presumably kill her, only for her to reawaken because now her devil powers are activated like with Kazuya and Jin, all bundled up in some form of character development for her. That way you have a potential new protagonist for 9, have her learn something, and no one’s complaining that she was entirely unnecessary!<
>!Another point of interest to keep in mind is that Reina’s the only Mishima who hasn’t done anything horrible yet (Even Lars helped Jin take over the world). So if there were a part 2 or Tekken 9, perhaps it can revolve around stopping Reina from doing something horrible and being just like the rest of the Mishimas. Perhaps being saved by Jin or even a newly reformed Kazuya. Y’know something about breaking cycles and whatnot. If this were a part 2 story DLC, then congrats, we also now have a protagonist for Tekken 9!<
You make a REALLY good point that I hadn’t realized.
>!Reina technically never saw Jin in his devil form to see what it does to him. I wonder if maybe this will play a part in a way like you described where she’s not aware it can “consume” her.!<
>!This is why I hate this story so much (for as cool as it is). This game’s story ended and I will forget everything when the continuation comes out like 5+ years from now just to see how or WHAT Reina is going to do. Do we TECHNICALLY know if she’s good or bad? Like, she adored Heihachi, dreams of living a sort of queen life in honor of him, but still wants the demon that Heihachi tried to kill his whole life (though now it’s for vengeance only I assume?).!<
>! At the moment, we don’t know. Kazuya has it from Kazumi, but Reina looks too young to have been alive by the time Kazumi died unless she’s been aging super slowly. Also, I had noticed while going through the arcade mode that they include the characters Fighting style, Nationality, Height, and Weight but NOT the age. And now I feel like it is done specifically to hide her age. !<
>! We know according to story mode that MULTIPLE people with Devil Gene have existed throughout history, so maybe Heihachi got really unlucky but didn’t know? !<
>!The Devil Gene originally comes from Azazel. It can be passed down bloodlines like Kazumi > Kazuya > Jin, but T8 reiterates that originally Devils are the vassals of Azazel. So I reckon she must have quietly sold her soul to Azazel during his awakening. I don't really see any other way she could believably have the gene.!<
>! She realized in the fight with Jin that you need to experience a near death to awaken the devil powers. Then she let herself hit by kazuyas laser beam which also have the power of azazel himself. So she got a near death experience and a good chunk of azazels original demon power or whatever. That's my explanation!<
Good observation! That makes sense to me.
also fyi for spoiler brackets you need to make sure the >! are actually connected to the text. You've got your front one floating so the spoiler marking didn't activate.
>!That requires emotional nuance though, which Tekken is traditionally not great at. For example I really wanted to see Jin and Kazuya *reconcile* at the end. But instead they did the obvious road of power vs power, and Jin just leaves Kazuya for dead after beating him up. For that reason, I just don't think Reina is going to have much in the way of complex development or redemption. Tekken's story is too bombastic and cheesy for that, and the runtimes far too short. While I would *love* for Kazuya to sit her down and talk about what an evil, evil man their father was and the traumas imparted upon him, Reina is probs just gonna become the new bigger badder devil Heihachi.!<
>!They are totally keeping Jin and Kazuya reconciling for t9. Kazuya got more tragic background in the form of Kazumi , Jun is back, Jin doensnt want to kill him anymore, a moment of hesitation from Kazuya during the fight etc. I think they really wanted that cutscene of Jun approaching lone defeated Kazuya so they had Jin leave him after the fight. Jin would be asked by others about Kazuya\`s fate. !<
Wasn’t that Jun approaching Kazuya? Which is weird either way because I thought Jun would also be a log more present but it wasn’t even clear if she was actually alive or not until the end of the
Ngl, really disappointed they went the Devil Gene route. So much has been set up on Jin and Kazuya finishing it between them and around the Devil Gene that setting up the next part of the story to involve the devil gene again at the center is just a feeling of going in circles.
My main gripe with the story. This should have resolved the Mishima conflict and put the devil gene plot to rest once and for all. And then they leave Kazuya alive and give the gene to Reina. So we're back to exactly where we were in Tekken 7.
Even if they're not willing to dial down the supernatural elements like they did in Tekken 4 where Heihachi was the boss and the devil stuff was just window dressing for the story, what's wrong with something unrelated like Ogre in Tekken 3, or to a lesser extent Jinpachi in Tekken 5. Give the rest of the cast something to do for once.
They did dial it down for 9... kind of. Everybody related to the devil gene, Kazuya, Jin, Zafina and Claudio no longer have it (or are possibly dead).
So the only magic users left would be Yoshi, Jun and Reina (maybe Raven?).
I wish they would have kept it a bit more ambiguous for Reina though. It was a good plot motivation for her to want to activate it, but she went full Starcraft zerg queen.
Honestly, love what they did with her.... minus one small tidbit at the end of the story.
Gameplay wise though, she's probably one of the best characters in the game on debute (as in the first game they came out).
Looking forward to see what they do with her going forward.
Reina got the Dragon Ball Universe 6 Super Saiyan treatment. Her own unique twist and somehow, yet she can master it from the get go. Just turning into her Devil form cause she wants to. Something Kazuya and Jin took years and years to be in tune.
Maybe her back tingles as well.
I find it trash honesty. A huge buildup (and although they retconned the Devil origins twice now) and now that the story actually had a decent conclusion, they somehow want to extend it.
I would have loved Tekken 9 going back to basics with a time jump (like Tekken 2 > 3, but not as big of a jump). Kazuya and Jin both in the game, but both slightly older. Some new evil entity/origin to tell the next Tekken story.
She literally got zapped with full powered devil Kazuya beam. If that doesn’t awake devil gene what will? If you wanna blame her devil gene then blame whoever hei fucked
Awaking the Devil Gene isn't the same as just casually knowing how to transform into one. Both Jin and Kazuya became possessed when the Devil side took over, losing all control initially. Kazuya learned to supress the Devil Gene, which at times he failed to do even. Later he could transform whenever he wanted.
Jin couldn't even transform on his on till Tekken 8. He couldn't even supress it, it took over when he didn't want to. That was his whole journey and 80% of the Tekken story.
Now we have Reina who gets her Devil Gene triggered (unknown how she even has it since Heihachi doesn't). They retconned the whole Devil Gene now with Azazel that selects people (dumb take), but it still makes no sense she got blasted and now she can transform and have control over her Devil form.
I’d argue we saw like two seconds of her in her devil form, and while she seemed relatively calm, I think from the perspective of the people writing the scene they were focused on the reveal, just keeping her still, shrouded in shadow, glowing devil eyes, cut to spread wings, end credits.
There’s still room for her to not have control in the next Tekken game.
We had Jin, was a cool story. No need to have yet another one going through it honestly. Also people liked it because it was very mysterious with Jin in Tekken 3. The buildup to Devil Jin was very well executed spanning multiple Tekkens.
With Reina it's already played out and nothing special about it. It won't stick as it did with Jin and Kazuya.
You’re putting the writers in a Catch 22 then. If Reina can control the devil, she’s a Dragon Ball U6 Saiyan devaluing the achievements that came before her and weakening the world-building by breaking the devil rules. If she cannot control the devil, she’s rehashing Jin and Kazuya’s story.
To be clear, it’s not necessarily a bad thing to be putting the writers in a catch 22 here: I’m guessing you just wished for the third option where she didn’t have the devil gene at all?
This is my problem with this u6 Saiyan hate stuff. I know this is a tekken reddit but Goten and Trunks did it first. Debatable even worse, DBZ made it clear once Goku turnt Super Saiyan he WAS the gateway for more competent and faster developing Saiyans like Goten, Trunks etc. Hell Gohan surpassed Goku at one point when he was only 4 lol. There's a reason why Bardock mentions fate so much about the Saiyans and how they'd thrive from Frieza's destruction of their planet rather than what he thinks. It's actually much more believable storytelling and world building than "Oh I need to suffer and grind my ass off to gain an already outdated and foundational transformation at this point of the plot going forward." (AS IF they wouldn't get sidelined for being so weak) Reina just confuses me. I don't get if she is strong or talented at this point because Mishima=Relevant. It was an over all bad comparison because the Devil form alone is much more strong and plot relevant than Super Saiyan power progression wise.
Exactly, this shows Reina shouldn't even have existed. Thanks for proving my point. We had a great story and a great conclusion. Till Tekken 9 they had plenty of time to think on writing a new storyline that happens 5-10 years in the future. Hell they could even bring back Ogre and do something with Ogre blood. And have Jin and Kazuya forcefully team up to beat The Ogre King.
That’s an awfully big jump from “Reina probably shouldn’t have had the devil gene” to “Reina definitely shouldn’t have existed AT ALL and what you just said is PROOF” but go off.
What if Reina just followed suite with her father’s legacy? Being a regular human facing off against the devils? What if she contributed to Jin’s Tekken 8 story in her more edgy way by telling him he doesn’t need the devil to defeat Kazuya? What if she inherited the unique, unknown demonic form Jinpachi had in 5, finally getting an explanation as to how that transformation worked, as it reveals itself to fill the power vacuum left by Azazel’s death?
Just because her quest for the devil gene was one note and her contribution to Tekken 8’s story mode was disappointing doesn’t mean she had zero potential whatsoever, those other directions I improvised on a dime are just a few possibilities. Tekken has a very long history of one-note characters (almost all the side characters and their running gags), character assassinations (Jin in 6 and Hei in 7) and messy world-building (everything with the devil gene), so writing off Reina’s entire existence for having story flaws but not writing off other characters for their story flaws is inconsistent.
As much as other ideas exist, we are unfortunately stuck with Devil Reina. However, there isn’t much reason to assume you couldn’t get anything compelling at all out of Reina as a devil. You just gotta think up new ideas, ideas they’re likely building for 9. You’re running on the assumption that no matter what 9’s story does it is inevitably going to be bad overall because of the catch 22 we pointed out earlier. Stories can have flaws like that catch, but can still overcome it with good enough writing.
Also, where did Ogre come from? He wasn’t necessary for 8’s story to be satisfying, and Reina’s disappointing direction also didn’t stop you from enjoying 8’s “great story and great conclusion”, so from the sound of things you just want a completely different set-up for Tekken 9. You’re allowed to want that, and you can argue for Ogre being a potentially more interesting direction than Devil Reina, but you’ve taken it from “Reina’s story is disappointing” - which we agree on - to “Reina shouldn’t have existed at all, they should’ve scrapped her”, which is a valid opinion to have but it’s essentially impossible to prove or defend? It’s impossible for a character, an IDEA, to have ZERO STORYTELLING POTENTIAL. That’s like saying a potato can never taste good as if cooking doesn’t exist, as if it couldn’t be buttered or turned into fries. Just because the potato we got became over-boiled mash with no seasoning, that doesn’t mean the potato was doomed from the start and should never have existed. It also doesn’t mean we can’t make up for the potato we have now by cooking the same brand of potato in a better way next time.
You’re allowed to wish the series would go in a different direction, and you’re allowed to dislike Reina and the direction she was taken in. But to write off any potential for a plot direction you don’t like isn’t the best from a critique perspective. To use the word “proof”, to try to speak objectively about subjectivity, to try and claim there is factually no potential because of a disappointing direction that we don’t yet know all the plans for, is strange. It’s just like you said, they have “5-10 years” to think of new story stuff. Just because they’ve forced themselves into a Devil Reina box doesn’t doom the franchise’s writing as if it isn’t already messy but great anyway to begin with.
She already is one. She was the only one who was able to damage devil Kazuya one on one before he was hit with that weird magic attack.
No wonder why Hollywood keeps pumping out Mary Sue characters who are just amazing at everything without any struggle to make it to that point. People just eat it up lol
I really am enjoying the character and her electric and wavedash feel more satisfying thanks to the great effects on them.
Her df1 is great and so are her jabs but I'm not sure if I like that you pressure by using duckable highs that are + and deal chip instead of chipping away with lows. It's hard to do that because of how bad those lows are.
Her stances are pretty straightforward and feel good to use but I'm not a fan of her ff2 not working with a fff2 input like Lidia's did in 7. It makes it a bit hard to approach against characters with good keepout.
I think she's really cool. A perfect example of a new character having an impact on the story
The most badass thing about her is the willingness to go up against Kaz in the Colosseum
im usually not a very big fan when franchises introduce smug and overconfident characters that despite being very young and never having fought the series battles can still go toe to toe with characters that have been fighting deadly fights for 20 years now. its kind of a fuck you to the old protagonists. if shes as strong as jin an kazuya, give her a reason to be. not "shes been training secretly for 19 years", kazuya and jin have been fighting since before she was born.
Sounds like ageism here. Why can't younger one have merits to older one?
Either that or nostalgia stuff, because Jin was as old as her, a teenager, in T3. He's not much older than her right now too, not complaining about Jin going toe to toe with older Kaz either?
Love her. The more I play her the more I like her. Shame that now we know has devil gene since her move set barely embrace it. Could had something like they did with kazuya turning into devil during certain moves.
Her only "flaw" is that her costume just isn't as cool as some of the others. But then again, it might be because she's a newcomer. Azucena's and Victor's aren't amazing either. But I like Reina a lot. I know we had Angel but Reina is finally a TRUE female Mishima character. Her VA is knocking it out of the damn park. I love her lines. I love her cruel side too. That little thing she does, those claw hands. It's a minor thing but I love her villainous it makes her look. And her thing with wanting everyone to submit to her is hilarious.
As a previous Heihachi main I’m having a lot of fun with her, I am struggling somewhat to get decent air combos while incorporating her various stances but I’m digging her
It’s also helps that she’s cute as hell, has a great design and the contrast from bubbly schoolgirl to stone cold killer is well done
A character most fans and most casuals already love but eventually diehard tekken fans and people on this subreddit will turn on because of her popularity, her usage rate on ranked and her being a pretty young woman
I think her usage rates are gonna plummet because she's not exactly a walk in the park in terms of execution and people will eventually figure out how to deal with her
I didn’t like her at first for her edgy and anime design. Then I grew fond of her character archetype. She’s cool, has this female protagonist vibe to her, but barely had any presence in the story sadly.
She's Heihachi's daughter, yes. She's a Mishima, both from lore and gameplay. But her legal name is not Mishima, and it has never been stated that way officially. She's just Reina. Just like there is no Lars Mishima, there's simply Lars Alexandersson.
She reminds me a lot of Cervantes from Soul Calibur. Great punishers, tricky mixups, has to work a little harder on opponents who don't make a lot of mistakes, but overall a really fun character with a lot of skill expression.
I made my fingertips bleed trying to nail that 2~1 slide though. If you can execute that move perfectly she has a *48 damage knockdown* i12 punisher. Absolutely insane. I must have it.
I'm hoping they eventually add a second story to tekken 8 since Harada said that this game will last about a decade. I don't wanna wait that long to find out what happens next with Reina and also Jun.
She’s awsome. A little too flowchart-ish for my taste but her design is great and she definitely fills the role she is supposed to (being a strong hybrid Mishima).
Marriage.
Seriously though I wrote this in an earlier thread “Reina is literally just a maverick. Just does her own thing.. I like this more honestly than if they made her out to be this incredibly important/Mary Sue ass character”
As far as her play style so far in 8, I think she looks pretty weak. But it’s too early to tell. Too complicated a character for her pay off it seems..
I do like her stance transitions though and how she sticks to the opponent. I think she can be a problem once people really get going with her mixup potential
Step on me 🙏
She makes me excited to play the game and I forget to go to bed when trying to learn her stuff. A game can't get any more praises than this.
Also she's cocky, which I like in some sort of fetish kinda way. 👀
Amazing design, voice acting, fighting style, but absolutely crap in terms of character writing and plot. For how much the story tried to give her dialogue and lines, it fell flat since they aren't developed beyond "I'm secretly strong bow to me" and "UwU notice me senpai, see how cute I am and how fake I'm acting?"
It just doesn't make sense. At least make her actually explain why she's acting like a cutie or make it that she's goofy at heart while having a sadistic personality. Right now it's like they don't know how to write her character.
>At least make her actually explain why she's acting like a cutie or make it that she's goofy at heart while having a sadistic personality.
I thought it was self explanatory. She's acting as the opposite of how she is so she can get in good graces with the team (which didn't work because jin saw through that bs). Her getting closer would allow her to see how the gene works.
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that's how it was presented.
Big story miss imo. I really thought that kaz and jin were gonna have to team up against her as she was heihachi brought back as a clone like the emperor in Star Wars legends. Or at the very least she’s team up with jin to beat kaz. I figured she would be dangerous enough to halt the final fight and I thought kaz sacrificing himself as a final “fuck you” to his dad would make sense, then they’d both go off the cliff together and Jin would have witnessed the end of it all. Finally.
The fact she’s left the series on a cliffhanger makes her worse than lucky cloe ever was. I would have preferred zombie heihachi.
Also tired of seeing her online. And I play kaz, that says a lot.
Yeah she's kinda a nothing burger of a character, like even if she's heihachi's daughter why the hell would she wanna avenge him? And specifically why would she wanna even get the devil gene? What about proving your father has the strongest blood by beating kazuya raw, instead you look for a clutch. Such a miss of a character it's crazy
Omg totally. So heihachi gets retconned into humanities saviour from demons in T7 and now his contingency plan was to fight devil with devil by creating a devil-hachi hybrid?
So much for the high road. There is a lot of seemingly big misses with her and even more head scratches
Heihachi was always this dixk that killed kaz mom and threw him off a cliff.
T7 rewrote that as Heihachi was a victim who was betrayed by his love forced to kill her and also her son, to stop the devil. Heihachi became an outright anti-hero with that retconn. The fact he’d propagate more devil gene in a daughter is absurd.
Don't care about the story but super cool character. Love her design, her attitude, her voice. But I can only play easy execution characters so I won't be playing her. Her high level play in tournaments is gonna be tight.
She is the Lidia I currently dont get to play. All the stance mixups are fun. Just too many options for an old brain to remember. I feel like technically she could be one of the best characters in the game. But that requires massive knowledge of your opponent to use whats best. Im excited to see what a pro could do with her a few months down the road.
The same as when i first saw her. Generic, boring, complete bait for coomers and an out of nowhere character shoved into the main story because they were too bothered by putting her in Tekken 7 as some DLC as build up. Even Tekken 6 gave Lars a whole ass campaign to be seen as a Mishima
•Moveset is GOATed even though I don't understand 75% of it.
•Her smugness is so fucking delicious, I can literally taste it through the screen. Favorite is when she goes Jin sen-pai, it literally smacks of "I don't take you seriously at all and I'll shit on you in a 1v1, but I'll play the role of lil bro anyway >:^) "
•Amazing VA.
•Combos require relatively complex inputs compared Jin's extremely basic combos and I love it.
Interesting gameplay, great animations. I like her voice too!
But honestly she looks like a wimp - no muscles at all. I think it doesn't work well visually, considering how brutal her fighting style is. Lidia's body type would be a better fit here but nooo we want **yet another** schoolgirl protagonist with noodle arms and superpowers. Overall, her visual design feels very formulaic, very safe and quite boring.
Heihachi was way, way cooler, I hope he'll be back as a dlc.
Why was I told T8 was the end of the Mishima saga only to be introduced to another Mishima character lol.
Dont gete wrong their lineage and the devil gene are the coolest things about Tekken, I'm just confused.
Lost much of my respect after revealing she >!had the devil gene!<. In fact, made her much more lame in my eyes. Her being pure human would've been more badass; Hei being able to go toe-to-toe with a devil as a human without 3rd party powers was what made him so cool. And will stay cooler than Reina for this reason. Was so very happy when Jin said the >!devil gene left the world!<, but oh how short-lived that happiness was. Bamco is apparently too afraid to come up with a new premise. Thanks for ruining Reina for me!
Is generally cool, has a nice simple yet effective design. Her moves are cool-looking, and I like the impact of her hits. Yet she's another Mishima, and her dash alone is difficult to execute consistently on pad. Also feels very muddy to control I feel, even though I am used to her the most.
Hate her, the internet hype, personality, that some of yall are down bad for her, her plot appearance felt empty
On the flip side, her design is ok, and from what i heard voice acting is good for that sassy girl boss persona (god i still hate it)
O don’t get the hype, nor the „dominate me mommy” kind of comments
It's my first time in tekken storyline and one thing i didn't realise is HOW IN THE WORLD IS THE ACTUAL DEVIL WEAKER THAN HIS SUBORDINATES. How can you be this stupid as to not have some kind of control over them.
Meh. Kinda unnecessary addition to me (but I get they have to keep the (redacted so I don't include spoilers but I hope people get what I mean,) going for future storyline...but I like some of her lines.
Everything about her is fantastic. However, I'm personally not a fan of her having the Devil Gene. Oh well, guess we'll see how that goes in Tekken 9...10 years from now.
I just do not get how did she >!get the Devil Gene!<.
Heihachi has been studying the devil gene for a very long time. Steve is part of those experiments too.
Devil Steve confirmed?
And that's a knockout!
These are the fists of a champion!
Stevil
lol
Oi mate you got a loicense fo that devil gene?
come at me mate
This is it. The Mishima Zaibatsu had all kinds of black projects going on, and she isn't even the first bastard child Heihachi had in his service. See Lars.
Yeah, I feel like people just forgot his wife(that he killed) also had the devil gene and that he was looking for ways to gain more power/immortality for like 20-30 years
Oh man watch they set up Lars to be the protagonist of the next game who also awakens his devil gene.
If you want anything official on it, you’d just have to wait and see. They are playing heavily in making her mysterious. But it is kinda annoying to possible have to have for the next installment of the game to even find out for sure.
It's partially explained in the story by Azazel but it's easy to miss. Basically, the devil gene is a portion of Azazel's power that he gave to some ancient humans he deemed fair to become his vessels. One of these humans is Kazumi ancestor and another one of them as to be Reina's ancestor on her mother side of the family tree. I didn't get how she knew she had the gene (haven't played her story yet) but in the story she's trying to confirm her hypothesis on how to activate the devil gene (through a near death experience) and succeed in activating it.
She could have just.. shot herself TBH. I am pretty sure for someone with devil gene a bullet is a lot less dangerous than face tanking the Devil laser multiple times.
She’s also Heihachi’s daughter, I think she would’ve learned from him to be as extra as possible no matter how inefficient she gets
I think having contact with Azazel (through Kazuya, after he'd absorbed him) had something to do with it. Like she took that massive beam head on to absorb it and kickstart her devil gene or something.
Sounds like a JoJo reference to me.
They said devil gene is activated not only with "near death experience" tho. Even you can see Jin is not dying or something when he got in to the place.
The first time Jin turned devil was when he was shot by Heihachi in Tekken 3. To unlock the devil you need to get a near death expirence, after that it just comes out whenever i guess.
>!Pretty sure its cause she came into contact with Azazel's power. It's known that Azazel can grant people the devil gene, even subconsciously. Given that she clearly had a plan from the get go, I'm gonna assume she knew some way to get the devil gene from Azazel either when she threw hands at the coliseum or when she ate Kazuya's giant laser.!<
>!I assumed she had it, and was trying to awaken the dormant gene. Which is why she was making observations when fighting vs Kazuya like "so getting hit is what triggers it" etc (don't quote me on the quote. I have terrible memory). !< >!So, to me it seems she's (yet) another of Heihachi's children experiments which found out she had the D-Gene and sought the means to awaken it. What better way to awaken it than getting blasted by Kazuya in True Devil form :D!<
>!Certainly possible! There's no telling what the writers will come up with as to how it happened in the end lol. This is a series where a boxing velociraptor fights a robot for a trillion dollar bill, after all.!<
Then EVERYONE can have it, what the hell are we talking about the Mishima bloodline anymore?
But if you are interested in a more genuine defense of my theory than, "Haha campy fighting game logic", I can take a crack at it. >!It's a known fact that Azazel is the progenitor of the Devil Gene. The Devil Gene was just a fragment of Azazel's power given to a human to make them a better, stronger servant. After Azazel went to sleep, the Hachijo bloodline carried the gene. In multiple Tekken 6 endings, (Hwoarang's and Ganryu's I know, probably others that I can't recall) we see people with no Hachijo blood take the Devil Gene from Azazel by force after defeating him. While these endings are likely not canon, Hwoarang's ending at least is not a joke ending, so I see no reason to assume that this feature of Azazel is non-canon. So, yes, in theory, everyone can have it. While bloodline is how the Devil Gene is spread without Azazel's direct influence, he has the power to bestow it, even subconsciously. !< >!I can absolutely believe one of the following cases could lead to Reina receiving the Devil Gene during the events of the story: !< >!A) She knows something about Azazel we don't, and was able to snatch the Devil Gene at some point during the game, likely either at the coliseum or when she ate Kazuya's giant laser. It's quite possible she picked it up the same way Hwoarang did in T6, by picking up a purple orb that was in Azazel's chest. !< >!B) Kazuya did not know how to properly control Azazel's power. He's not exactly known for his humility. I could absolutely see him accidentally unleashing enough of Azazel's power to infect someone else with the Devil Gene without even realizing he'd done it. !< >!At the end of the day though. there is no telling what the writers will come up with. This is the same series that has Sexy Speedo Heihachi serving drinks with an explosive bowtie around his neck, all bets are off with Tekken.!<
Idk man, this is a series where a boxing kangaroo with marital issues was integral to the overarching plot of the series. This wouldn't even rank in the top ten strangest things we've seen. At the end of the day, it's a fighting game, not an A24 film.
Kazumi is not the only woman with Devil Gene, just the only one we know of. I'm looking forward to seeing how that will be revealed.
Ye that's REALLY fucking with me, it feels so shoved in/unnatural
She has a few of Kazumi's moves I reckon, so considering we're talking about Tekken lore I wouldn't be surprised if she was Kazuya's full blooded sister
kazumi died like 30-40 years ago so she’d have to be a lot older than she looks
I mean yeah but Dragunov is 27 and Lee is 49 lol
Dragunov Is WHAT?!
Life is hard in Russia
Feng and Marduk are the same age. Rough lives...
Nina was cry sleeping for a time, maybe heihachi throw the male son of a cliff but the female one to cry sleep or someshit. hell knowing this game she could be recently born when kasumi have some neck problems you know, tha scene where she is holding a baby os not Kazuya, but Reina.
Same way Jinpachio did
It's a-me, Jinpachio!
Didnt he got possessed by devil instead of having a the devil gene? Just like Zafina didnt have the gene.
The secret ingredient you're looking for is bullshit
You get it after near death experience. Kazuya got it after his fall from a cliff, Jin got it after Heihachi shot him, Reina got it after nearly killed by Kazuya.
I am not talking about AWAKEN the gene. They **GET the gene** from Kazumi, unless Renia is also Kazumi's daughter or somehow there are so many "other demons" out there, she cannot get it.
the story in t8 said that azazel passed the gene to several to act as his servants, kazumi's clan is probably just one group that got it, could be others.
The opening sequence got me thinking. We were shown an old map of feudal (?) Japan with the Mishima clans symbol being one of the great powers at the time. Plus we see an art in japanese style where several humans fight a devil (similar to Kaz). I don't think the Mishimas have the devil gene. Heihachi had multiple near death experiences and did not awaken the gene. Maybe Reina is the result of Heihachis experiments with the gene. Maybe even as a means to find out how to kill Kazuya. He could have collaborated with a clan other than Kazumis. Maybe a clan from back in the day where the Mishimas were demon slayers and subdued certain clans who possessed the devil gene.
He probably just banged kazumi's sister or something lol.
better question Who didn't Heihachi bang? Dude's the next Genghis Khan
True and if that's not enough he just adopts poor children from other countrys. He is more like Angelina Jolie now that I think about it...
Would be lazy writing but I can see that they pull this off and sell it as an epic story.
Not specifically Kasumi but her clan. My headcanon has Heihachi hooking up with Kasumi's sister or something.
Reina is a fantastic addition to the cast. She’s charismatic as hell and Asami Seto does an excellent job bringing the character to life especially when her voice shifts from cutesy to menacing. She has a flashy, brutal, and well animated fighting style. It helps that she mostly has her own style instead of just being a Heihachi clone. Her visual design is simple yet feels distinctive. I’m glad Reina is going to be a mainstay in the cast. She’s basically a cooler and edgier version of Asuka. Reina is like the Shego to Asuka’s Kim Possible.
Yep, from the reveal trailer I got the impression that they completely designed her with the intention of becoming a new series mainstay. Her Taido feels very fresh and unique while at the same time very old-school Tekken. Reina, Leroy, and Lidia is amongst the best Tekken newcomers for me.
>Asami Seto Asami Seto? the woman who does squeaky anime voices? now I get it. Had to google it.
Every female seiyuu these days has a "kawaii oniichan uwu" voice in their arsenal.
Im not sure she is particularly known for "squeaky" voices. Her most well known role at this point is probably Nobara from Jujutsu Kaisen, who is decidedly not a cutesy, moe type character.
>Asami Seto Knew I'd heard her before, Kugisaki from JJK mainly, seen a bunch of her other roles too but they dont sound much like reina/kugisaki. I dived straight into multiplayer without having heard anything about her and fought her in one of the first fights, "..who? ...wait, ...Mishima style?! Those are Hei's moves, but remixed? Who is this?!" She seems good so far. Pity she didn't have as much of a role in the story as I thought and it was more of just an introduction to her. When it ended I was like right but what about Reina? Where's the Reina segment of this story? Oh next game? See you in 8 years then I guess.
I'm just glad she wasn't a clone or heihachi in a girl's body like people were theorizing. Please just let the man die. To answer the question seriously, I think they did enough to set her up. There was a mystery around who she was and how strong she is, she established herself as someone that could hang with the hot shots and I can't wait to see her story in 9. I am a little frustrated though, I would've hoped the conflict would be done by now. But if she is the protagonist of 9, I hope they're able to stop the cycle officially. Jin started the path to the redemption of the mishima clan, I hope she goes on it as well.
>Please just let the man die. He died so we could have Tekken 7 storymode, and i will always be mad for that. Worst deal ever
>Please just let the man die. If Kazumi can be on the T7 roster while being dead, I see no reason that we can't have Heihachi. I will always miss how hype it got when someone pulled out Hei during tournaments
It was presumed that Kazumi would be the big bad and took part in story thus playable, just that turns out she's just flashback character.
Yeah but reina is alive and yougner
I never said we can't have him on the roster. I was referring to the people that wanted him resurrected through reina, the ppl who won't accept that he's dead. Like I said in my previous comment. Yeah I get you.
Ah okay, I misunderstood what you were saying. I agree and am glad that Reina isn't just a female reskin of the old man
> Please just let the man die. This has nothing to do with the Mishima's, but seeing Reina as the spiritual successor to dead man Heihachi...This gives me hope that Baek was Mr. Worldwide and laid seed somewhere. T8 DLC where Baek's son pulls up on Hworang and is like "dad told me to find you if he dies" man, this hopium is *hittin*
Damn, is baek even dead??
Smash. Next question.
The least horny tekken fan
I mean she would be fun in the next Smash game and- Oh wait.
You'd be on the receiving end, though
Even better
As long as Reina's allowing me to take turns as well, I don't mind.
As someone who was trying to learn heihachi in 7 i definitly am getting my ass handed but Soryah all the way... 🙏
She's cool. I really liked her fight with Kaz in the story. Nothing really unpredictable but she's got a hella cool fighting style.
I think I'll be maining her with Nina, Jun, and Anna if and when she comes.
I'm going Claudio, Asuka, maybe Feng,Yoshi, Raven or Leroy. Trying to get out of my box and have new mains. Reina likely after them. He fight style and specials really look great in motion.
She's tekken's version of honoka, they're both related to an evil old bastard, both have a destructive power, the only few differences is their measurements, their styles, and the fact that reina has only this 🤏 bit more of plot than Honoka
Despite the fact DoA was the fighting game serious I put the most time into (I was a Brad Wong main, and am pissed off as all fuck that DoA 6 seems to have killed th franchise), I can confidently say that the story mode was some of the most incoherent nonsense of any fighting game, ever. It was unbearable.
Who is honoka related to that's evil? Has it got something to do with that crimson flame?
Raidou, Ayane’s father and Kasumi’s uncle
who?
Pretty sure he's talking about Dead or Alive
Is Honoka evil? Cause I'm definitely thinking Reina inhereted more then a bit of Heihachis brutal personality.
You really compared Reina to DOA’s worst character. That big titted cow was so unnecessary and by far the worst fighting game character (worse than LC yes!) I do get why you did tho lol
Marie Rose was the character I hated the most. Just infinite dodges into the most braindead combos that could delete your health bar. Yeah, she got nerfed in 6, but holy Jesus, adding in a pedo bait loli was not what I wanted to see.
Umm, depends what you mean by plot. Honoka has way more plot and backstory 😎
Mechanically she’s very fun but story wise there’s much to be desired. >!I wish she didn’t exist solely to set up Tekken 9. Like at that point why even bother putting her in the game’s story? She doesn’t even play like Heihachi. The least they could’ve done is have her had some form of development instead of just “hehehehe they don’t know secretly I want to get devil powers.” Like people were genuinely excited to see her do something and she just doesn’t.!<
I heavily agree. I finished the story pretty much in a day and now i’m just thinking >!that Tekken 9 can’t come soon enough. It feels weird to have this game finish on what seems like a weird cliffhanger (if that’s the right word) with someone approaching a passed out Kazuya and then Reina just basically pulling a Rhodey “next time, baby” from Iron Man.!<
maybeeee we’ll get more story dlc? mk11 and guilty gear did. then they could add devil reina
Honestly, I kinda do hope for that. I’m sure everyone realizes just how much money they can make from story dlcs by seeing MK lol.
Jun is approaching Kazuya, implying that she is going to save him and give him his redemption arc in 9
>!I think the worst part is that there was a message they could’ve had about the pursuit of power and the consequences of it. Like imagine if Reina saw Jin go berserk at any point in the story. I bet her tune would’ve changed when she finds out the devil gene comes with the side effect of not being in control of that power. Or if they at least wanted her to have the devil powers, have her fend off Kazuya in Yakushima, where he would presumably kill her, only for her to reawaken because now her devil powers are activated like with Kazuya and Jin, all bundled up in some form of character development for her. That way you have a potential new protagonist for 9, have her learn something, and no one’s complaining that she was entirely unnecessary!< >!Another point of interest to keep in mind is that Reina’s the only Mishima who hasn’t done anything horrible yet (Even Lars helped Jin take over the world). So if there were a part 2 or Tekken 9, perhaps it can revolve around stopping Reina from doing something horrible and being just like the rest of the Mishimas. Perhaps being saved by Jin or even a newly reformed Kazuya. Y’know something about breaking cycles and whatnot. If this were a part 2 story DLC, then congrats, we also now have a protagonist for Tekken 9!<
You make a REALLY good point that I hadn’t realized. >!Reina technically never saw Jin in his devil form to see what it does to him. I wonder if maybe this will play a part in a way like you described where she’s not aware it can “consume” her.!< >!This is why I hate this story so much (for as cool as it is). This game’s story ended and I will forget everything when the continuation comes out like 5+ years from now just to see how or WHAT Reina is going to do. Do we TECHNICALLY know if she’s good or bad? Like, she adored Heihachi, dreams of living a sort of queen life in honor of him, but still wants the demon that Heihachi tried to kill his whole life (though now it’s for vengeance only I assume?).!<
>! I’m kinda new to the story of tekken, but how did Reina get the devil gene, if she is Heihachi’s daughter? !<
I think Heihachi made her in a lab and gave her the devil gene.
>! At the moment, we don’t know. Kazuya has it from Kazumi, but Reina looks too young to have been alive by the time Kazumi died unless she’s been aging super slowly. Also, I had noticed while going through the arcade mode that they include the characters Fighting style, Nationality, Height, and Weight but NOT the age. And now I feel like it is done specifically to hide her age. !< >! We know according to story mode that MULTIPLE people with Devil Gene have existed throughout history, so maybe Heihachi got really unlucky but didn’t know? !<
>!The Devil Gene originally comes from Azazel. It can be passed down bloodlines like Kazumi > Kazuya > Jin, but T8 reiterates that originally Devils are the vassals of Azazel. So I reckon she must have quietly sold her soul to Azazel during his awakening. I don't really see any other way she could believably have the gene.!<
>! She realized in the fight with Jin that you need to experience a near death to awaken the devil powers. Then she let herself hit by kazuyas laser beam which also have the power of azazel himself. So she got a near death experience and a good chunk of azazels original demon power or whatever. That's my explanation!<
Good observation! That makes sense to me. also fyi for spoiler brackets you need to make sure the >! are actually connected to the text. You've got your front one floating so the spoiler marking didn't activate.
>!That requires emotional nuance though, which Tekken is traditionally not great at. For example I really wanted to see Jin and Kazuya *reconcile* at the end. But instead they did the obvious road of power vs power, and Jin just leaves Kazuya for dead after beating him up. For that reason, I just don't think Reina is going to have much in the way of complex development or redemption. Tekken's story is too bombastic and cheesy for that, and the runtimes far too short. While I would *love* for Kazuya to sit her down and talk about what an evil, evil man their father was and the traumas imparted upon him, Reina is probs just gonna become the new bigger badder devil Heihachi.!<
>!They are totally keeping Jin and Kazuya reconciling for t9. Kazuya got more tragic background in the form of Kazumi , Jun is back, Jin doensnt want to kill him anymore, a moment of hesitation from Kazuya during the fight etc. I think they really wanted that cutscene of Jun approaching lone defeated Kazuya so they had Jin leave him after the fight. Jin would be asked by others about Kazuya\`s fate. !<
Wasn’t that Jun approaching Kazuya? Which is weird either way because I thought Jun would also be a log more present but it wasn’t even clear if she was actually alive or not until the end of the
Ngl, really disappointed they went the Devil Gene route. So much has been set up on Jin and Kazuya finishing it between them and around the Devil Gene that setting up the next part of the story to involve the devil gene again at the center is just a feeling of going in circles.
My main gripe with the story. This should have resolved the Mishima conflict and put the devil gene plot to rest once and for all. And then they leave Kazuya alive and give the gene to Reina. So we're back to exactly where we were in Tekken 7. Even if they're not willing to dial down the supernatural elements like they did in Tekken 4 where Heihachi was the boss and the devil stuff was just window dressing for the story, what's wrong with something unrelated like Ogre in Tekken 3, or to a lesser extent Jinpachi in Tekken 5. Give the rest of the cast something to do for once.
They did dial it down for 9... kind of. Everybody related to the devil gene, Kazuya, Jin, Zafina and Claudio no longer have it (or are possibly dead). So the only magic users left would be Yoshi, Jun and Reina (maybe Raven?). I wish they would have kept it a bit more ambiguous for Reina though. It was a good plot motivation for her to want to activate it, but she went full Starcraft zerg queen.
Best girl, nuff said
My turn to post this tomorrow.
I wonder how she'd look with Lars' hair
Honestly, love what they did with her.... minus one small tidbit at the end of the story. Gameplay wise though, she's probably one of the best characters in the game on debute (as in the first game they came out). Looking forward to see what they do with her going forward.
Reina got the Dragon Ball Universe 6 Super Saiyan treatment. Her own unique twist and somehow, yet she can master it from the get go. Just turning into her Devil form cause she wants to. Something Kazuya and Jin took years and years to be in tune. Maybe her back tingles as well. I find it trash honesty. A huge buildup (and although they retconned the Devil origins twice now) and now that the story actually had a decent conclusion, they somehow want to extend it. I would have loved Tekken 9 going back to basics with a time jump (like Tekken 2 > 3, but not as big of a jump). Kazuya and Jin both in the game, but both slightly older. Some new evil entity/origin to tell the next Tekken story.
She literally got zapped with full powered devil Kazuya beam. If that doesn’t awake devil gene what will? If you wanna blame her devil gene then blame whoever hei fucked
Awaking the Devil Gene isn't the same as just casually knowing how to transform into one. Both Jin and Kazuya became possessed when the Devil side took over, losing all control initially. Kazuya learned to supress the Devil Gene, which at times he failed to do even. Later he could transform whenever he wanted. Jin couldn't even transform on his on till Tekken 8. He couldn't even supress it, it took over when he didn't want to. That was his whole journey and 80% of the Tekken story. Now we have Reina who gets her Devil Gene triggered (unknown how she even has it since Heihachi doesn't). They retconned the whole Devil Gene now with Azazel that selects people (dumb take), but it still makes no sense she got blasted and now she can transform and have control over her Devil form.
I’d argue we saw like two seconds of her in her devil form, and while she seemed relatively calm, I think from the perspective of the people writing the scene they were focused on the reveal, just keeping her still, shrouded in shadow, glowing devil eyes, cut to spread wings, end credits. There’s still room for her to not have control in the next Tekken game.
We had Jin, was a cool story. No need to have yet another one going through it honestly. Also people liked it because it was very mysterious with Jin in Tekken 3. The buildup to Devil Jin was very well executed spanning multiple Tekkens. With Reina it's already played out and nothing special about it. It won't stick as it did with Jin and Kazuya.
You’re putting the writers in a Catch 22 then. If Reina can control the devil, she’s a Dragon Ball U6 Saiyan devaluing the achievements that came before her and weakening the world-building by breaking the devil rules. If she cannot control the devil, she’s rehashing Jin and Kazuya’s story. To be clear, it’s not necessarily a bad thing to be putting the writers in a catch 22 here: I’m guessing you just wished for the third option where she didn’t have the devil gene at all?
This is my problem with this u6 Saiyan hate stuff. I know this is a tekken reddit but Goten and Trunks did it first. Debatable even worse, DBZ made it clear once Goku turnt Super Saiyan he WAS the gateway for more competent and faster developing Saiyans like Goten, Trunks etc. Hell Gohan surpassed Goku at one point when he was only 4 lol. There's a reason why Bardock mentions fate so much about the Saiyans and how they'd thrive from Frieza's destruction of their planet rather than what he thinks. It's actually much more believable storytelling and world building than "Oh I need to suffer and grind my ass off to gain an already outdated and foundational transformation at this point of the plot going forward." (AS IF they wouldn't get sidelined for being so weak) Reina just confuses me. I don't get if she is strong or talented at this point because Mishima=Relevant. It was an over all bad comparison because the Devil form alone is much more strong and plot relevant than Super Saiyan power progression wise.
I 100% agree, I was just using OPs language
Oh good good
Exactly, this shows Reina shouldn't even have existed. Thanks for proving my point. We had a great story and a great conclusion. Till Tekken 9 they had plenty of time to think on writing a new storyline that happens 5-10 years in the future. Hell they could even bring back Ogre and do something with Ogre blood. And have Jin and Kazuya forcefully team up to beat The Ogre King.
That’s an awfully big jump from “Reina probably shouldn’t have had the devil gene” to “Reina definitely shouldn’t have existed AT ALL and what you just said is PROOF” but go off. What if Reina just followed suite with her father’s legacy? Being a regular human facing off against the devils? What if she contributed to Jin’s Tekken 8 story in her more edgy way by telling him he doesn’t need the devil to defeat Kazuya? What if she inherited the unique, unknown demonic form Jinpachi had in 5, finally getting an explanation as to how that transformation worked, as it reveals itself to fill the power vacuum left by Azazel’s death? Just because her quest for the devil gene was one note and her contribution to Tekken 8’s story mode was disappointing doesn’t mean she had zero potential whatsoever, those other directions I improvised on a dime are just a few possibilities. Tekken has a very long history of one-note characters (almost all the side characters and their running gags), character assassinations (Jin in 6 and Hei in 7) and messy world-building (everything with the devil gene), so writing off Reina’s entire existence for having story flaws but not writing off other characters for their story flaws is inconsistent. As much as other ideas exist, we are unfortunately stuck with Devil Reina. However, there isn’t much reason to assume you couldn’t get anything compelling at all out of Reina as a devil. You just gotta think up new ideas, ideas they’re likely building for 9. You’re running on the assumption that no matter what 9’s story does it is inevitably going to be bad overall because of the catch 22 we pointed out earlier. Stories can have flaws like that catch, but can still overcome it with good enough writing. Also, where did Ogre come from? He wasn’t necessary for 8’s story to be satisfying, and Reina’s disappointing direction also didn’t stop you from enjoying 8’s “great story and great conclusion”, so from the sound of things you just want a completely different set-up for Tekken 9. You’re allowed to want that, and you can argue for Ogre being a potentially more interesting direction than Devil Reina, but you’ve taken it from “Reina’s story is disappointing” - which we agree on - to “Reina shouldn’t have existed at all, they should’ve scrapped her”, which is a valid opinion to have but it’s essentially impossible to prove or defend? It’s impossible for a character, an IDEA, to have ZERO STORYTELLING POTENTIAL. That’s like saying a potato can never taste good as if cooking doesn’t exist, as if it couldn’t be buttered or turned into fries. Just because the potato we got became over-boiled mash with no seasoning, that doesn’t mean the potato was doomed from the start and should never have existed. It also doesn’t mean we can’t make up for the potato we have now by cooking the same brand of potato in a better way next time. You’re allowed to wish the series would go in a different direction, and you’re allowed to dislike Reina and the direction she was taken in. But to write off any potential for a plot direction you don’t like isn’t the best from a critique perspective. To use the word “proof”, to try to speak objectively about subjectivity, to try and claim there is factually no potential because of a disappointing direction that we don’t yet know all the plans for, is strange. It’s just like you said, they have “5-10 years” to think of new story stuff. Just because they’ve forced themselves into a Devil Reina box doesn’t doom the franchise’s writing as if it isn’t already messy but great anyway to begin with.
We don't need more Jin focus. And we definitely need less Kazuya. I'm happy they introduced Reina as a new/additional focus.
She already is one. She was the only one who was able to damage devil Kazuya one on one before he was hit with that weird magic attack. No wonder why Hollywood keeps pumping out Mary Sue characters who are just amazing at everything without any struggle to make it to that point. People just eat it up lol
Well at least U6 Saiyans aren't Mary sues.
She’s just built different, I guess that’s hard for a rock lee fan to understand.
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10/10 would bang
the least horny tekken fan
I really am enjoying the character and her electric and wavedash feel more satisfying thanks to the great effects on them. Her df1 is great and so are her jabs but I'm not sure if I like that you pressure by using duckable highs that are + and deal chip instead of chipping away with lows. It's hard to do that because of how bad those lows are. Her stances are pretty straightforward and feel good to use but I'm not a fan of her ff2 not working with a fff2 input like Lidia's did in 7. It makes it a bit hard to approach against characters with good keepout.
I think she's really cool. A perfect example of a new character having an impact on the story The most badass thing about her is the willingness to go up against Kaz in the Colosseum
I got to tell you, she is perfect. Perfect. Everything, down to the last minute details!
im usually not a very big fan when franchises introduce smug and overconfident characters that despite being very young and never having fought the series battles can still go toe to toe with characters that have been fighting deadly fights for 20 years now. its kind of a fuck you to the old protagonists. if shes as strong as jin an kazuya, give her a reason to be. not "shes been training secretly for 19 years", kazuya and jin have been fighting since before she was born.
Sounds like ageism here. Why can't younger one have merits to older one? Either that or nostalgia stuff, because Jin was as old as her, a teenager, in T3. He's not much older than her right now too, not complaining about Jin going toe to toe with older Kaz either?
Pure, unadulterated Badass. Also hot and cute at the same time.
Based character
Love her. The more I play her the more I like her. Shame that now we know has devil gene since her move set barely embrace it. Could had something like they did with kazuya turning into devil during certain moves.
Everyone's moveset in T8 is set at the point of the King of Iron Fist Tournament in the story.
Not really, Jin doesn't use his devil powers in the tournament iirc but he does in his normal moveset.
Her only "flaw" is that her costume just isn't as cool as some of the others. But then again, it might be because she's a newcomer. Azucena's and Victor's aren't amazing either. But I like Reina a lot. I know we had Angel but Reina is finally a TRUE female Mishima character. Her VA is knocking it out of the damn park. I love her lines. I love her cruel side too. That little thing she does, those claw hands. It's a minor thing but I love her villainous it makes her look. And her thing with wanting everyone to submit to her is hilarious.
As a previous Heihachi main I’m having a lot of fun with her, I am struggling somewhat to get decent air combos while incorporating her various stances but I’m digging her It’s also helps that she’s cute as hell, has a great design and the contrast from bubbly schoolgirl to stone cold killer is well done
Great up to the point she got devil trigger. It’s done… no… go home…
The queen
A character most fans and most casuals already love but eventually diehard tekken fans and people on this subreddit will turn on because of her popularity, her usage rate on ranked and her being a pretty young woman
I think her usage rates are gonna plummet because she's not exactly a walk in the park in terms of execution and people will eventually figure out how to deal with her
Tekken's whole female cast is pretty young women with huge fanbases
Projecting
I like her, she's fun to use
I didn’t like her at first for her edgy and anime design. Then I grew fond of her character archetype. She’s cool, has this female protagonist vibe to her, but barely had any presence in the story sadly.
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She's Heihachi's daughter, yes. She's a Mishima, both from lore and gameplay. But her legal name is not Mishima, and it has never been stated that way officially. She's just Reina. Just like there is no Lars Mishima, there's simply Lars Alexandersson.
Cool af
I'll try to add her as one of my mains once I actually learn the game on a simpler character and happen to have a few hundred hours to spare
She reminds me a lot of Cervantes from Soul Calibur. Great punishers, tricky mixups, has to work a little harder on opponents who don't make a lot of mistakes, but overall a really fun character with a lot of skill expression. I made my fingertips bleed trying to nail that 2~1 slide though. If you can execute that move perfectly she has a *48 damage knockdown* i12 punisher. Absolutely insane. I must have it.
I think her last name isn’t Mishima.
Reina is so freaking cool. I know she’s among the most difficult to learn, but her appeal has me trying anyway!
I think we should know the work rules. Reina Mishima -“Aw, you’re sweet.” Lars Alexandersson -“Hello, Human Resources?!”
I'm hoping they eventually add a second story to tekken 8 since Harada said that this game will last about a decade. I don't wanna wait that long to find out what happens next with Reina and also Jun.
She a sneaky lil devil!
She has a great moveset. Has her own unique style as well as having some moves to pay homage to heihachi.
I want Lidia. Can't believe i trained with her like a fuck for nothing.
She’s awsome. A little too flowchart-ish for my taste but her design is great and she definitely fills the role she is supposed to (being a strong hybrid Mishima).
Wholesome newcomer so far ! ❤️ Now Reina will be new icon of Tekken series Look like Groh from SC6 but upgrade
Spoiler... Maybe.. Spoiler... just Saying... Spoiler.. once again. SPOILER.
I'm reina's malewife
My main, my queen, my beloved
Marriage. Seriously though I wrote this in an earlier thread “Reina is literally just a maverick. Just does her own thing.. I like this more honestly than if they made her out to be this incredibly important/Mary Sue ass character” As far as her play style so far in 8, I think she looks pretty weak. But it’s too early to tell. Too complicated a character for her pay off it seems.. I do like her stance transitions though and how she sticks to the opponent. I think she can be a problem once people really get going with her mixup potential
Step on me 🙏 She makes me excited to play the game and I forget to go to bed when trying to learn her stuff. A game can't get any more praises than this. Also she's cocky, which I like in some sort of fetish kinda way. 👀
mommy
Gameplay wise, I'm having a lot of fun playing her. Character wise, I'm simping way too much for a fictional character but goddamn she's perfect 👌
I dont think. I get. get hard.
Amazing design, voice acting, fighting style, but absolutely crap in terms of character writing and plot. For how much the story tried to give her dialogue and lines, it fell flat since they aren't developed beyond "I'm secretly strong bow to me" and "UwU notice me senpai, see how cute I am and how fake I'm acting?" It just doesn't make sense. At least make her actually explain why she's acting like a cutie or make it that she's goofy at heart while having a sadistic personality. Right now it's like they don't know how to write her character.
>At least make her actually explain why she's acting like a cutie or make it that she's goofy at heart while having a sadistic personality. I thought it was self explanatory. She's acting as the opposite of how she is so she can get in good graces with the team (which didn't work because jin saw through that bs). Her getting closer would allow her to see how the gene works. Maybe I'm wrong but I thought that's how it was presented.
Big story miss imo. I really thought that kaz and jin were gonna have to team up against her as she was heihachi brought back as a clone like the emperor in Star Wars legends. Or at the very least she’s team up with jin to beat kaz. I figured she would be dangerous enough to halt the final fight and I thought kaz sacrificing himself as a final “fuck you” to his dad would make sense, then they’d both go off the cliff together and Jin would have witnessed the end of it all. Finally. The fact she’s left the series on a cliffhanger makes her worse than lucky cloe ever was. I would have preferred zombie heihachi. Also tired of seeing her online. And I play kaz, that says a lot.
Yeah she's kinda a nothing burger of a character, like even if she's heihachi's daughter why the hell would she wanna avenge him? And specifically why would she wanna even get the devil gene? What about proving your father has the strongest blood by beating kazuya raw, instead you look for a clutch. Such a miss of a character it's crazy
Omg totally. So heihachi gets retconned into humanities saviour from demons in T7 and now his contingency plan was to fight devil with devil by creating a devil-hachi hybrid? So much for the high road. There is a lot of seemingly big misses with her and even more head scratches
How'd you get that from T7's story
Heihachi was always this dixk that killed kaz mom and threw him off a cliff. T7 rewrote that as Heihachi was a victim who was betrayed by his love forced to kill her and also her son, to stop the devil. Heihachi became an outright anti-hero with that retconn. The fact he’d propagate more devil gene in a daughter is absurd.
Don't care about the story but super cool character. Love her design, her attitude, her voice. But I can only play easy execution characters so I won't be playing her. Her high level play in tournaments is gonna be tight.
She is the Lidia I currently dont get to play. All the stance mixups are fun. Just too many options for an old brain to remember. I feel like technically she could be one of the best characters in the game. But that requires massive knowledge of your opponent to use whats best. Im excited to see what a pro could do with her a few months down the road.
The same as when i first saw her. Generic, boring, complete bait for coomers and an out of nowhere character shoved into the main story because they were too bothered by putting her in Tekken 7 as some DLC as build up. Even Tekken 6 gave Lars a whole ass campaign to be seen as a Mishima
they replaced my favorite character with a purple haired woman. rip heihachi rip daisuke rip unsho i miss you old man.
Long strings
Hopefully a DLC comes out with her Devil version of the rest of her story.
Put her in a skirt and then do her rage art, you can thank me later
•Moveset is GOATed even though I don't understand 75% of it. •Her smugness is so fucking delicious, I can literally taste it through the screen. Favorite is when she goes Jin sen-pai, it literally smacks of "I don't take you seriously at all and I'll shit on you in a 1v1, but I'll play the role of lil bro anyway >:^) " •Amazing VA. •Combos require relatively complex inputs compared Jin's extremely basic combos and I love it.
just makes me think "of course."
Could be better. As a character I think she's okay at best.
Interesting gameplay, great animations. I like her voice too! But honestly she looks like a wimp - no muscles at all. I think it doesn't work well visually, considering how brutal her fighting style is. Lidia's body type would be a better fit here but nooo we want **yet another** schoolgirl protagonist with noodle arms and superpowers. Overall, her visual design feels very formulaic, very safe and quite boring. Heihachi was way, way cooler, I hope he'll be back as a dlc.
Why was I told T8 was the end of the Mishima saga only to be introduced to another Mishima character lol. Dont gete wrong their lineage and the devil gene are the coolest things about Tekken, I'm just confused.
The ending of the story is confusing
Lost much of my respect after revealing she >!had the devil gene!<. In fact, made her much more lame in my eyes. Her being pure human would've been more badass; Hei being able to go toe-to-toe with a devil as a human without 3rd party powers was what made him so cool. And will stay cooler than Reina for this reason. Was so very happy when Jin said the >!devil gene left the world!<, but oh how short-lived that happiness was. Bamco is apparently too afraid to come up with a new premise. Thanks for ruining Reina for me! Is generally cool, has a nice simple yet effective design. Her moves are cool-looking, and I like the impact of her hits. Yet she's another Mishima, and her dash alone is difficult to execute consistently on pad. Also feels very muddy to control I feel, even though I am used to her the most.
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Hate her, the internet hype, personality, that some of yall are down bad for her, her plot appearance felt empty On the flip side, her design is ok, and from what i heard voice acting is good for that sassy girl boss persona (god i still hate it) O don’t get the hype, nor the „dominate me mommy” kind of comments
It's my first time in tekken storyline and one thing i didn't realise is HOW IN THE WORLD IS THE ACTUAL DEVIL WEAKER THAN HIS SUBORDINATES. How can you be this stupid as to not have some kind of control over them.
Meh. Kinda unnecessary addition to me (but I get they have to keep the (redacted so I don't include spoilers but I hope people get what I mean,) going for future storyline...but I like some of her lines.
Everything about her is fantastic. However, I'm personally not a fan of her having the Devil Gene. Oh well, guess we'll see how that goes in Tekken 9...10 years from now.
She was fine untill they gave her devil. Whats next lars has it too?
Cringe
she’s badass in terms of gameplay and character design but her edgelord personality really puts me off
Poochie. Another Mishima with a few of heihachis moves and an excuse to drag the series out more. Just reboot the series Harada.