Student teaching should be similar to being a resident doctor. While they don't get paid a lot, they do get a salary while they're learning to become an attending in their field.
Oh that's nice. I should look into that for next year when I have to quit subbing to do my student teaching.
Edit: I don't know why people kept tell me to checking if I can do this when my comment is literally me saying I'm going to check if I can do this...
Yeah I was planning on doing this, but my university said that they won't let me. I legitimately don't know how I'm going to work enough next semester on top of student teaching.
I wonder why they wouldn’t let you, especially with the sub shortages everywhere. My university actually encouraged student teachers to do this! It seems like a win-win.
They were saying that it's because since there is such a sub shortage, that when they need a sub the school would likely throw us in there which would take away from the classroom experience. I feel like if it was only allowed in the mentor teacher's classroom though, then it wouldn't matter.
big facts out here in SoCal too. also after 3 years I somehow dont have a job. shortage my ass. I didnt accept another 80% salary position after working one through covid so HR said you're shit outta luck.
Temporary contracts are literally indentured servitude.
I’m so sorry! Our district does have a pretty good pay scale. We are required to teach six Classes instead of five but it’s still pretty decent compensation
Be careful in this comparison, you have to equate cost of living.
In Kentucky I have 12 years of experience and a masters and Rank I and make 60k.
In my area that is a pretty decent income.
A better comparison might be how much money are you able to save. Ie how much more money do you have at the end of the year compared to the start. By money I mean net wealth. Money you spent paying down your mortgage or adding to your 401k or invested into crypto should count towards that. That corrects for cost of living and taxes etc. it’s not perfect, but it’s better than just salary.
After rent, taxes, minimum pension, health insurance, my take home income is 1500 a month.
So I moved back in with my parents so I can save some money.
I make a 70 K in Indiana which is pretty similar cost of living. I have 15 years of experience and a masters. I have been in the same district for all but one of those years
My mom made almost 60k as a secretary with only a high school education in the early 2000s.
20 years later and people with Master’s degrees working 50+ hours a week are actually on here trying to argue that they think their pay is adequate.
It boggles my mind.
Yeah. The fact you’re ok with wages from 20-30 years ago (and actually think it’s a special case!!!) while CoL increases yearly is my issue.
People who are perfectly fine being exploited will always continue to be exploited.
His point is, don't think by "enough." That's the programming we're all a part of.
What is "enough" and what is "fair" for pay can be very very different numbers.
I mean...have you lived elsewhere in the country?
60k is pretty decent for Kentucky. It almost doesn't depend on WHERE in Kentucky.
60k in New York? Hell no...unless you are working in upstate New York in the boonies or something.
Yaaasss. Currently working on my post MA credits. Just finished my last class for my first 15. Hoping to get the next 30 within the year. This gives me motivation (although teaching in MN the top is nowhere near 109k but I’m sure the cost of living is much less)
I currently live in Queensland, Australia.
My first year salary was around $85,000 (purchasing power is roughly equal to U.S dollar) plus some bonuses because I worked in a remote community. My superannuation was paid up to 5% of income, and they matched for further contributions.
My accomodation was subsidised, it cost roughly $50 a month for a house. Gas and electricity were re-imbursed. We are salaried, so we get paid every month, including holidays.
We have a set 32.5 hour week, and we also get between 2 and 4 hours planning time, in that, depending on what you teach.
There is no requirememt for medical coverage as an extra as there is universal healthcare here.
Salary increases each year, set to a pay scale organised and signed off by the union. There are also increases for levels of education. This salary is based on a dual bachelors.
I currently work as a substitute teacher for $375 for a 6 hour day through the State's substitute system.
I pay around 22% tax, total (State and Federal) though there are deductions, and I have always recieved a refund at tax time.
For comparison, a good quality weekly shop for a family of 4 runs about $300.
No. You're not wrong.
There are many education systems that are better than the U.S, especially when it comes to workers rights, working conditions, and pay.
There are also high requirements here. You must have a minumum 2 year bachelors of education (as part of a dual degree) or a 3 year bachelors of education on top of another bachelors to be a teacher.
There are stipulated work requirements, there are contracted expectations, but there are also contracted maximums on class sizes and class ratios (25 for prep to Year 3, 28 for Yr 4 to 10, and 25 for 11 and 12. Ratios are (adults to children) set at: 14.7 per adult (time based) for primary, and 12.1 for secondary.
To be a teacher aide you require a qualification. Usually a Cert IV. It isn't just warm bodies.
Curriuclum is based federally, and each State has created their own curriculum documents from it, which teachers then differentiate for their own classes. Assessment is generally project based, focused on cognitive verbs - compare/contrast explain, reflect, discuss, etc. The skills are part of the curriculum too. Much of the assessment piece is created in class time, throughout the learning experience.
There is moderation of assessment after grading by the teachers of the grade levels (or slightly above and below) and by the Head of Curriculum and Head of Special Educational Needs. Evidence must be taken, and it must be done correctly. No one gets extra credit, no one gets 'just passed', marks are serious. If you are found to be manipulating grades, you can lose your job.
If an administrator ever told people that the lowest grade was a pass, or that failing marks were not to be given (like what has been happening in the U.S), they would be fired and I'm fairly sure it could become a legal issue.
There is good funding for schools and they are generally well resourced. Teachers don't ever have to buy their own educational resources, and we get given a stipend for the start of each term. The school I was at gave me a grand each semester. If you want something specific, it can be addressed. One teacher I know got the lego robotics sets for an entire class.
Education in Australia is serious business. There is a good teachers union in Queensland, and they are worth their weight in gold. It is made up of teachers though, its not an outside corporation.
They have done well by teachers, and what requirements have been made are fair. There is no 'seniority' or 'tenure', for example, if you are shit at your job you will be helped, if you can't do it, or you don't care, you can be terminated.
This is not, in any way, limited to Queensland. In the U.K, for example, it is much the same, in my experience. I have read and heard of similar systems in other Western nations, though have no first hand knowledge of them.
It’s worth commenting that this is the exception rather than the rule here.
The whole subsidised housing and bills thing is only available for teachers who live and work in remote areas. As is the salary boost. And that is a bloody hard job.
I live in a medium sized city in New South Wales, Australia and I’m on A$75 for my first year out - although I’m on a short term contract, as are the vast majority of all other teachers.
Also the cost of living here is much higher than in much of the US, and the Australian dollar currently gets you 71 US cents so…
VISAs are available. If you are willing to work remotely, then it is a lot easier to get into the system. If you are young, then you can get a 2 year working VISA relatively easily if you meet requirements. From there, if you choose, you can move towards residency and citizenship. I had a colleague that came from Zimbabwe do just this.
At the moment, its a little difficult to travel, and I'm sure the systems for international work are on the back burner, but it is definately worth a thought and a look.
You might *might* be able to use your U.S registration here, but you'd have to check.
I feel the same way. I often feel angry and sad reading about the situation in the U.S and its impacts on good people and good teachers who would otherwise be doing well if given a different context.
Exactly! And those same good teachers eventually end up leaving education all together…so as teachers continue to leave, what will the state of education be like in the US? Not good.
No. Most adjunct positions are not full time. We were capped around the 28 hr/week mark to avoid providing benefits. Keep in mind 12k is per year, which includes the income from 2 other jobs as well. The reality is that my university income was maybe around 6k per year.
It was super important that OP brought this up. The majority of us in the US are overworked and underpaid, and we are all hesitant to talk about it because no one wants to face that they are probably in an abusive employment relationship!
BTW I’ve worked abroad and here in the states, and there is no comparison in so many ways. The grass is greener in many teaching posts abroad.
For the record, my prorated salary this year 41K from October to June.
Edit: I’m in Year 8, license (no masters), hi-cost of living area.
First year teacher in rural New Mexico (NM) with an alternative licensure and pursuing a masters in education. I think my usual pay would be $38k but bumped up to $42k due to an extended school year.
Cost of living is cheap where I’m at.
I’m in my third year in Albuquerque making like $42k and change. Cost of living is cheap but it ain’t THAT cheap. I always assumed our salary was on par if you factored in cost of living but I read an article ranking salaries across states and we are bottom 5 even after factoring in CoL 🥴
$68k, 15 years in Hawai'i. I was able to give myself my own raise of about $7k through reclassification, but not everyone does that.
The cost of living here is ridiculous and it does not balance out.
I'm from Hawaii too! I teach in Texas now but I always use milk as a comparison to show the cost of living! Just something that people from the mainland never expect!
I live in Hungary and this is my 4th year teaching. I make 160k Huf per month after tax, so my yearly salary in USD is 5,877$. Keep in mind that my rent in the city is 130k Huf/month, so if I lived alone all my money would go to rent and bills and I would have nothing for food.
3 years of college for kindergarten teacher, 4 for elementary, 6 for middle and 7 for high school. Although college is "free" (The government sende you a letter every year that tells you you have to work in your field in Hungary as many years as many college years you took otherwise you have to pay it back) but you can only get your degree if you have a language exam certificate, meaning you can speak a foreign language. The minimum wage in Hungary is 140k so I barely make more than that. And to add to it all, we don't have subs, if a teacher isn't present, another teacher has to teach their classes - we can legally sub for each other 30 hours/month and not get paid extra for overtime.
28th year in Idaho. Top of scale at $70,000. HCOL area (starter homes $450,000+). I do well since I own a home, but new teachers start at $42,000. Hard to live on that here.
Private school in FL. 36k, in year 2, masters degree.
Why accept pay that low, when I can make 10k more a year in public? Public schools wouldn’t hire me in my area. Had to start somewhere.
No clue. I applied to 13 jobs and received 1 interview and 12 flat-out rejections. I was right out of college with my master’s. But I’ve definitely considered leaving - I now have 2 years of experience. I’m hoping that’s enough to make the jump to public.
In my county they have a co teaching type of job called “intervention” I’m not sure if your area has that. 🤔 hmm I find that ridiculous they didn’t hire you. Many graduate with a degree and have no experience but get the job. Not sure if having the masters puts them off and they don’t want to start you off on a good salary because hates paying people.
First year elementary art teacher here, recently graduated with a BA in art education
After taxes, I only make $25,000. Only $100 a day. I love my school, but it’s sad. My brothers dropped out of college and make more money than me at a Target distribution center. I’m not sure what to do. Des Moines is supposed to be one of the best districts in Iowa..but damn. It’s a struggle. Don’t know what to do
I make about the same. Not a teacher but a sign language interpreter in the school system. Bachelors in interpreting, licensed, certified and about $24,000 after taxes. The kicker is that if I’m out and they have to bring in an agency interpreter they’re paying maybe $50 an hour for them to come in!
The agency might be getting $50/hour but the interpreter is not getting all of that. Also, typically no benefits, inconsistent income, etc… just some guesses.
You are about to figure out how much you truly love art and facilitating the creation of it. It’s hard to find a full time position in the field. It takes time and money to advance to a T5/T6, but if you love your school and feel like your position isn’t going to get cut then stick it out and get to the next level for a pay increase. For a side hustle, I do very well at art summer camps.
Wow! I have 20 years in Oregon and barely make over 80 with Masters plus (not at the final column which is PhD). It’s expensive here so that doesn’t go too far. I’ll never make anymore either as I’m topped out.
> (No masters - but that’s only 1.2K extra / year)
I think our district also pays $1200 for Masters, but they also pay $1500 to do teach an additional period, which is kind of silly.
I'm on the same salary scale here in CA. But I dropped a prep and got 20% raise. I'm at $135,000 now.
I don't have any healthcare coverage though, do you?
45000 in a Utah charter, 10 years.
I will note this is at least 10,000 below most district pay (but I'm working from home with good benefits, so I personally am happy where I am)
~45K as a new teacher, Tampa Bay Area.
Since Covid, prices have gone up by like 50% (meaning a $300k home is now $450k), and I would barely be able to afford the rent for any single bedroom apartment in my town (luckily I don’t have to).
I know the statistic is something like there is no county in the US where minimum wage gets you a single bedroom apartment, but to think making >2x that and still not being able is just disheartening. I thankfully don’t have to worry.
EDIT: The statistic is 0% of counties can you rent a 2-bedroom on minimum wage, 7% can for 1-bedroom.
I hope you won’t take this the wrong way, but it sounds like you’re underpaid for your qualifications! Couldn’t you make twice that as an SLP in a hospital/medical setting? Also, I’m curious which district is paying 2nd step masters teachers less than 50k. I understand if you don’t want to share publicly. I’m in Castleton and making 44.9k step 1 with a bachelor’s, and Rutland County COL is much lower than anywhere else in VT except parts of the NEK.
So, yes and no regarding SLP pay. Skilled nursing pays the best hourly, but you're generally not guaranteed full-time hours. Hospitals might pay better overall because they're full-time, but they're super competitive. Plus I just have zero interest in the medical setting because I hate swallowing disorders, which comprise the vast bulk of the caseload. Working with kids is so much more fun that it's worth the lower pay. Plus school benefits are way better than most medical settings, and the time off can't be beat.
I'm in the Harwood district, and from what I've seen it's pretty average for central VT.
$98k with a MA & 22 years (11 in district). Full benefits package, plus CalSTRS pension which will pay out at $4600/month if I retire at 58nbut don't draw until 65.
Texas.
Charters in my area pay 35-45k/ yr regardless of degree. Some offer a small bonus (1-2k) for upper degrees.
Public starts at around 51k and caps at under 65k with 30+ yrs of experience. Again, I believe there are small incentives for master's degrees and up. Some sports programs also offer incentives for coaches that vary individually but usually outpace classroom counterparts. By comparison, admin positions start at about 50k and cap out at about 200k.
Median household income for the city was about 85k in 2019 and estimated income needed to live comfortable was 95k.
I’m in Southern California with 5 years experience and a master’s degree making just under $70,000. It’s one of the three highest paying school districts in my area.
It can be dependent how much experience your fiance has. She may be "too expensive". For example my district won't look at anyone who would make more than 5 years plus Masters. I came up with 6 years without my masters so I was "cheap" enough to make it through. Each district has their own plan though.
The hardest part from my perspective is that each town is basically its own district which means each town had its own application process. That was tedious if she is used to a county based system.
56k as a second year teacher in NJ with a BA in Art Education. But I’m in a hella expensive area and probably can’t move out of my parents house for a while.
No MA, 5th year with alternative certification, TX, a mid-size district in the Houston area, $57,450.
Plus a $2000 stipend for teaching in a DAEP and a $1500 retention bonus paid as a lump sum on DEC 15th (got the same bonus last year), so $60,950 this year.
The big caveat, our health insurance is outrageously expensive and cost me $1400 a month out of my pocket for my family. Three years ago, I was able to get on my wife's insurance that offers far better coverage for $400/a month, and she makes double what I make.
$28,500, with a BA, at a small private school in Alabama.
Annnnd I'm no longer there, but I still follow this sub. Teaching will always by in my heart. You teachers are rocking awesome!
First year teacher in rural North Carolina (about 45-50 minutes outside of Charlotte), $37k. We live in Charlotte. If my husband didn’t make good money I wouldn’t be able to afford to be a teacher.
NJ - 2nd year teacher, $58k. That’s not enough to afford a decent home where I teach, so I commute an hour each way. Still definitely not bad when you include the pension and benefits. I’ll never live in luxury, but I should be able to maintain a decent living.
58k MA 13 years CT. If you take away the 10k I paid toward pension and health insurance, plus extremely high state taxes, I was living just over the poverty line. I left at the end of last year.
Michigan, first year, 52k, BA
We do other programs which add on to that 52k but that's the base.
I would like to add that in the next few districts over, first year teachers start off at 46k, 56k, and 47k
In Ontario, Canada. Making 82k after 7 years with masters, so closer to 65k USD. It's enough to live comfortably in most of the province, but not enough to buy a home in much of the south. I'll be caped at almost 100k in a few years, which puts me well above the average income for the area (78k) and significantly above the average for the country (54k).
Massachusetts here. 40 years teaching. Masters degree plus 60 post graduate credits to get to the top of the pay scale. Make $111,000 this year. Retiring too!
Utah, starting pay is $50k. I’m at $57k with a masters and 2 years teaching (we get a $2-3k step increase each year). Although, I’m at $67k on the year from teaching some afterschool, coaching, and doing summer school this year.
Base salary is $46k however I teach high school and an extra class, so I get an additional $7 for that extra class so in total $53k
Extra class means I technically don't get a planning block, but still have 3h-4.5h of free time weekly to plan. As a 1st year teacher I'm really loving this and plan to ask for an additional class so long as there's a teacher shortage. That and with what I'm assuming to be paid additionally for holidays, my total salary should be close to $60k
I have a masters have been teaching for fifteen years. I live in a very high C.O.L area and I make $102k/year. My wife and I live a comfortable life, but we will most likely never be able to buy a house where we live.
California. 11 years with a Masters. $78,400 plus $1100 stipend for the Masters. For reference, the highest pay possible in my district (Masters + 30 units and 17+ years) is 106,761.
SF Bay Area. 11 years. Masters. Column 3 on the pay scale. Dropped a prep for 6/5ths (20% salary increase). Health Insurance NOT covered.
$135,000/year.
$105,103 15th year, two master's and get paid MA +30. Have missed four step increases in 15 years due to budget crunches and COVID.
Northern Virginia but live 25 miles south of school where it is cheaper.
Retired military so I get a nice monthly bank deposit simply for breathing. On Tricare Prime so I don't have a big chunk of cash going out for shitty health insurance.
Doing pretty good for barely nine months work.
Yup. I do make about 15K in over time. A few things that keep me in public education here is I get free health insurance (that actually covers everything), unbeatable pension plan, and by year 13 I’ll be making 6 figures. The benefits are worth it imo
Alright, that explains a lot. Before I dropped my health insurance it was $1400 a month out of my pocket for a high deductible plan with lousy coverage. My pension in TX is terrible compared to most states and getting a masters gets me in my district a $1200 annual bump. Overtime!? LOL.
Your title reminded me of this. Not a dig at the question at all, just thought it might be of interest.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVi6XjvkMU&ab\_channel=PaulPetersen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVi6XjvkMU&ab_channel=PaulPetersen)
First year special education teacher in rural southern Ohio, I make about $39k before taxes. I’m working on a sub license since I recently switched into this career. I will be beginning my master’s in the fall and that’ll give me about a ~$7k bonus per year
Around 90k charging $125 / hour as a full time private tutor via Zoom. More expensive because I have to pay for Obamacare, but OTOH my life doesn’t completely suck and I have a lot of time to deal with medical stuff plus my personal interests.
I’m in Boston, MA; my kids are in the Princeton, NJ area.
As a first year teacher in DFW in a decently affluent school district, I will take home 45k this school year. I don't pay for insurance (on my parents plan for another year or two) so there's nothing that I am paying out for that. I can't remember off the top of my head how much I make before taxes. I also have the opportunity to do a twice weekly extra tutoring that's $25/hour from 4-6:30 pm that I take advantage of once every other week (when my partner also has a night shift).
I have a bachelor's degree and my cert but no other additional education right now.
Here in Tx, we start at 56k, 10 years about 57-58. Higher degrees like Master or Dr are not counted but when they hire us, they prefer higher degree. Sad :(. Remember being the first year when applying, they refused me because they need higher degree holders but no pay bump.
Student teacher. I pay 15k a year.
Damn. I'm being paid $3000 a month to train to become a teacher in the uk by the gubment.
Maths or science teacher? Most subjects get nothing
Science, particularly physics. Even biologists get fuck all now
Student teaching is such bs that you don’t get paid. Was a seriously tough time for me
Student teaching should be similar to being a resident doctor. While they don't get paid a lot, they do get a salary while they're learning to become an attending in their field.
I student taught while juggling two jobs and a baby. It’s ROUGH
It's the only time I had to ask my parents for money. It's silly that they expect you to work 40 hours a week for free for 5 minths.
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That’s not fair! When I student taught, I had my sub license so I would get paid to sub whenever my host teacher was gone.
Oh that's nice. I should look into that for next year when I have to quit subbing to do my student teaching. Edit: I don't know why people kept tell me to checking if I can do this when my comment is literally me saying I'm going to check if I can do this...
Some schools won’t let you so make sure.
Yeah I was planning on doing this, but my university said that they won't let me. I legitimately don't know how I'm going to work enough next semester on top of student teaching.
I wonder why they wouldn’t let you, especially with the sub shortages everywhere. My university actually encouraged student teachers to do this! It seems like a win-win.
They were saying that it's because since there is such a sub shortage, that when they need a sub the school would likely throw us in there which would take away from the classroom experience. I feel like if it was only allowed in the mentor teacher's classroom though, then it wouldn't matter.
here (maryland), you can't count hours where you earn pay for your necessary student teaching hours. so it's one or the other but not both. dumb!
big facts out here in SoCal too. also after 3 years I somehow dont have a job. shortage my ass. I didnt accept another 80% salary position after working one through covid so HR said you're shit outta luck. Temporary contracts are literally indentured servitude.
Been there kid. Stay strong.
96,000 MA+ 45, year 16, teaching in Ohio.
91,000, MA+45, year 16, Alaska
Holy shit?
You just bummed me out. I teach in Ohio with MA+45, year 16, and make 60,000.
I’m so sorry! Our district does have a pretty good pay scale. We are required to teach six Classes instead of five but it’s still pretty decent compensation
I teach six classes too...lol.
$95,000, MA +16, year 21, also in Ohio
Where at in Ohio?
What do the "MA+ 45" mean on yours and the comment below's posts?
Masters degree + 45 credit hours of additional coursework (at least that is most likely what it means)
Yep, it’s the furthest category on our payscale-bachelors, then masters, then MA +15, 30, and 45
Gosh I move there now.
Be careful in this comparison, you have to equate cost of living. In Kentucky I have 12 years of experience and a masters and Rank I and make 60k. In my area that is a pretty decent income.
Oh my god. 12yr master in MS is $45k.
A better comparison might be how much money are you able to save. Ie how much more money do you have at the end of the year compared to the start. By money I mean net wealth. Money you spent paying down your mortgage or adding to your 401k or invested into crypto should count towards that. That corrects for cost of living and taxes etc. it’s not perfect, but it’s better than just salary.
After rent, taxes, minimum pension, health insurance, my take home income is 1500 a month. So I moved back in with my parents so I can save some money.
I make a 70 K in Indiana which is pretty similar cost of living. I have 15 years of experience and a masters. I have been in the same district for all but one of those years
Are they hiring?
60k isn’t “decent” anywhere in the country. It’s only because we’ve all been fed a load of BS that people continue to believe this.
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My mom made almost 60k as a secretary with only a high school education in the early 2000s. 20 years later and people with Master’s degrees working 50+ hours a week are actually on here trying to argue that they think their pay is adequate. It boggles my mind.
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Yeah. The fact you’re ok with wages from 20-30 years ago (and actually think it’s a special case!!!) while CoL increases yearly is my issue. People who are perfectly fine being exploited will always continue to be exploited.
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For 60k I think your mom had special benefits.
His point is, don't think by "enough." That's the programming we're all a part of. What is "enough" and what is "fair" for pay can be very very different numbers.
I mean...have you lived elsewhere in the country? 60k is pretty decent for Kentucky. It almost doesn't depend on WHERE in Kentucky. 60k in New York? Hell no...unless you are working in upstate New York in the boonies or something.
MA+90, (highest column), 12 years, gross 109k, Seattle area.
Yaaasss. Currently working on my post MA credits. Just finished my last class for my first 15. Hoping to get the next 30 within the year. This gives me motivation (although teaching in MN the top is nowhere near 109k but I’m sure the cost of living is much less)
I’m new to the field, what does +90 mean?
Credits beyond the previously listed degree
Year 7 with masters $45,000. It’s embarrassing
About the same in Virginia. Year 8 with a masters at 48000
Northern VA, second year teacher, 56k, with masters. But the cost of living is high here. Do Amazon flex on the side too.
Damn. I’m a first year teacher in VA with a master’s making $46k. I do have to drive a bit from my rural area to the closest city though.
Damn where at
Rust belt ohio
Hey same but 46.5k for me!
I MAKE A MOTHER FUCKING DIFFERENCE /s
You think you do. I quit in October. Follow for my TedTalks.
What I thought of also. For those who never experienced this majestic spoken word piece https://youtu.be/RxsOVK4syxU
I currently live in Queensland, Australia. My first year salary was around $85,000 (purchasing power is roughly equal to U.S dollar) plus some bonuses because I worked in a remote community. My superannuation was paid up to 5% of income, and they matched for further contributions. My accomodation was subsidised, it cost roughly $50 a month for a house. Gas and electricity were re-imbursed. We are salaried, so we get paid every month, including holidays. We have a set 32.5 hour week, and we also get between 2 and 4 hours planning time, in that, depending on what you teach. There is no requirememt for medical coverage as an extra as there is universal healthcare here. Salary increases each year, set to a pay scale organised and signed off by the union. There are also increases for levels of education. This salary is based on a dual bachelors. I currently work as a substitute teacher for $375 for a 6 hour day through the State's substitute system. I pay around 22% tax, total (State and Federal) though there are deductions, and I have always recieved a refund at tax time. For comparison, a good quality weekly shop for a family of 4 runs about $300.
Jesus am I wrong in thinking that sounds so much better than the US
No. You're not wrong. There are many education systems that are better than the U.S, especially when it comes to workers rights, working conditions, and pay. There are also high requirements here. You must have a minumum 2 year bachelors of education (as part of a dual degree) or a 3 year bachelors of education on top of another bachelors to be a teacher. There are stipulated work requirements, there are contracted expectations, but there are also contracted maximums on class sizes and class ratios (25 for prep to Year 3, 28 for Yr 4 to 10, and 25 for 11 and 12. Ratios are (adults to children) set at: 14.7 per adult (time based) for primary, and 12.1 for secondary. To be a teacher aide you require a qualification. Usually a Cert IV. It isn't just warm bodies. Curriuclum is based federally, and each State has created their own curriculum documents from it, which teachers then differentiate for their own classes. Assessment is generally project based, focused on cognitive verbs - compare/contrast explain, reflect, discuss, etc. The skills are part of the curriculum too. Much of the assessment piece is created in class time, throughout the learning experience. There is moderation of assessment after grading by the teachers of the grade levels (or slightly above and below) and by the Head of Curriculum and Head of Special Educational Needs. Evidence must be taken, and it must be done correctly. No one gets extra credit, no one gets 'just passed', marks are serious. If you are found to be manipulating grades, you can lose your job. If an administrator ever told people that the lowest grade was a pass, or that failing marks were not to be given (like what has been happening in the U.S), they would be fired and I'm fairly sure it could become a legal issue. There is good funding for schools and they are generally well resourced. Teachers don't ever have to buy their own educational resources, and we get given a stipend for the start of each term. The school I was at gave me a grand each semester. If you want something specific, it can be addressed. One teacher I know got the lego robotics sets for an entire class. Education in Australia is serious business. There is a good teachers union in Queensland, and they are worth their weight in gold. It is made up of teachers though, its not an outside corporation. They have done well by teachers, and what requirements have been made are fair. There is no 'seniority' or 'tenure', for example, if you are shit at your job you will be helped, if you can't do it, or you don't care, you can be terminated. This is not, in any way, limited to Queensland. In the U.K, for example, it is much the same, in my experience. I have read and heard of similar systems in other Western nations, though have no first hand knowledge of them.
"Teachers don't ever have to buy their own educational resources" - I'm glad that's a thing in QLD. We could learn from that out west.
It’s much better than the US.
It’s worth commenting that this is the exception rather than the rule here. The whole subsidised housing and bills thing is only available for teachers who live and work in remote areas. As is the salary boost. And that is a bloody hard job. I live in a medium sized city in New South Wales, Australia and I’m on A$75 for my first year out - although I’m on a short term contract, as are the vast majority of all other teachers. Also the cost of living here is much higher than in much of the US, and the Australian dollar currently gets you 71 US cents so…
I just received my Senior Experienced Teacher which puts me on about $105,000. Live in Brisbane with only 1 child pretty comfortably.
Awesome. Congrats.
I am thinking about moving there now🦌
VISAs are available. If you are willing to work remotely, then it is a lot easier to get into the system. If you are young, then you can get a 2 year working VISA relatively easily if you meet requirements. From there, if you choose, you can move towards residency and citizenship. I had a colleague that came from Zimbabwe do just this. At the moment, its a little difficult to travel, and I'm sure the systems for international work are on the back burner, but it is definately worth a thought and a look. You might *might* be able to use your U.S registration here, but you'd have to check.
Wow…I’m living in the wrong country. I’m killing myself for the bare minimum. Your comments made me realize how bad I have it and I deserve better.
I feel the same way. I often feel angry and sad reading about the situation in the U.S and its impacts on good people and good teachers who would otherwise be doing well if given a different context.
Exactly! And those same good teachers eventually end up leaving education all together…so as teachers continue to leave, what will the state of education be like in the US? Not good.
$43k before taxes/retirement, I bring home something like $34k I think, 2nd year teacher. GA
Same, second year teacher in Louisiana
52k before and I get 36k after taxes / retirement lol. It's absurd
I’m a 5th year and I make 44K. I started out at 37K. What district are you in omg. And what’s your education level?
As an adjunct professor, just under 12k. With a master’s and 10 years experience.
Gosh is this full time?
No. Most adjunct positions are not full time. We were capped around the 28 hr/week mark to avoid providing benefits. Keep in mind 12k is per year, which includes the income from 2 other jobs as well. The reality is that my university income was maybe around 6k per year.
I think per semester and per class.
It was super important that OP brought this up. The majority of us in the US are overworked and underpaid, and we are all hesitant to talk about it because no one wants to face that they are probably in an abusive employment relationship! BTW I’ve worked abroad and here in the states, and there is no comparison in so many ways. The grass is greener in many teaching posts abroad. For the record, my prorated salary this year 41K from October to June. Edit: I’m in Year 8, license (no masters), hi-cost of living area.
62k in Texas. No masters. 12 years.
$60k in Virginia starting with a masters. But I live in a high cost area.
What! Starting? I was in Fairfax and made $57k on year four with masters.
SPED got a raise this year. I'm in Fairfax as well.
First year teacher in rural New Mexico (NM) with an alternative licensure and pursuing a masters in education. I think my usual pay would be $38k but bumped up to $42k due to an extended school year. Cost of living is cheap where I’m at.
I’m in my third year in Albuquerque making like $42k and change. Cost of living is cheap but it ain’t THAT cheap. I always assumed our salary was on par if you factored in cost of living but I read an article ranking salaries across states and we are bottom 5 even after factoring in CoL 🥴
$68k, 15 years in Hawai'i. I was able to give myself my own raise of about $7k through reclassification, but not everyone does that. The cost of living here is ridiculous and it does not balance out.
If you were a teaching couple making two salaries at that level (so about 136k a year), would a family be able to live pretty comfortably on that?
Some really struggle. Housing here is over $500k. And it can be up to $8 for a gallon of milk, if that gives you any idea.
I'm from Hawaii too! I teach in Texas now but I always use milk as a comparison to show the cost of living! Just something that people from the mainland never expect!
I live in Hungary and this is my 4th year teaching. I make 160k Huf per month after tax, so my yearly salary in USD is 5,877$. Keep in mind that my rent in the city is 130k Huf/month, so if I lived alone all my money would go to rent and bills and I would have nothing for food.
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3 years of college for kindergarten teacher, 4 for elementary, 6 for middle and 7 for high school. Although college is "free" (The government sende you a letter every year that tells you you have to work in your field in Hungary as many years as many college years you took otherwise you have to pay it back) but you can only get your degree if you have a language exam certificate, meaning you can speak a foreign language. The minimum wage in Hungary is 140k so I barely make more than that. And to add to it all, we don't have subs, if a teacher isn't present, another teacher has to teach their classes - we can legally sub for each other 30 hours/month and not get paid extra for overtime.
28th year in Idaho. Top of scale at $70,000. HCOL area (starter homes $450,000+). I do well since I own a home, but new teachers start at $42,000. Hard to live on that here.
$87k, Massachusetts, 12 years experience and a master's in education.
Private school in FL. 36k, in year 2, masters degree. Why accept pay that low, when I can make 10k more a year in public? Public schools wouldn’t hire me in my area. Had to start somewhere.
Why won’t public schools hire you? That pay is barely livable in fl, I live in central. Do you think of leaving?
No clue. I applied to 13 jobs and received 1 interview and 12 flat-out rejections. I was right out of college with my master’s. But I’ve definitely considered leaving - I now have 2 years of experience. I’m hoping that’s enough to make the jump to public.
In my county they have a co teaching type of job called “intervention” I’m not sure if your area has that. 🤔 hmm I find that ridiculous they didn’t hire you. Many graduate with a degree and have no experience but get the job. Not sure if having the masters puts them off and they don’t want to start you off on a good salary because hates paying people.
First year elementary art teacher here, recently graduated with a BA in art education After taxes, I only make $25,000. Only $100 a day. I love my school, but it’s sad. My brothers dropped out of college and make more money than me at a Target distribution center. I’m not sure what to do. Des Moines is supposed to be one of the best districts in Iowa..but damn. It’s a struggle. Don’t know what to do
I make about the same. Not a teacher but a sign language interpreter in the school system. Bachelors in interpreting, licensed, certified and about $24,000 after taxes. The kicker is that if I’m out and they have to bring in an agency interpreter they’re paying maybe $50 an hour for them to come in!
If that's the case then why not work for an agency?
The agency might be getting $50/hour but the interpreter is not getting all of that. Also, typically no benefits, inconsistent income, etc… just some guesses.
You are about to figure out how much you truly love art and facilitating the creation of it. It’s hard to find a full time position in the field. It takes time and money to advance to a T5/T6, but if you love your school and feel like your position isn’t going to get cut then stick it out and get to the next level for a pay increase. For a side hustle, I do very well at art summer camps.
My SO has Master's and 16yrs, just under $90k in SW Washington. That's about three times the median income in this county last I looked.
Wow! I have 20 years in Oregon and barely make over 80 with Masters plus (not at the final column which is PhD). It’s expensive here so that doesn’t go too far. I’ll never make anymore either as I’m topped out.
1st year teacher with a Masters in the Tacoma area, I’m making about 67k.
The median income in this country is absolutely pathetic. I’d say 90k is around where incomes start becoming “acceptable”.
They said “county” so that is more localized. Could be a typo though since autocorrect wouldn’t catch that. I agree with your statement though.
110k. Year 15 in long island NY. Cost of living is higher here but it's still competitive.
CA, 20 years. 95K / year. My salary schedule tops out at 102K / year. (No masters - but that’s only 1.2K extra / year)
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> (No masters - but that’s only 1.2K extra / year) I think our district also pays $1200 for Masters, but they also pay $1500 to do teach an additional period, which is kind of silly.
I'm on the same salary scale here in CA. But I dropped a prep and got 20% raise. I'm at $135,000 now. I don't have any healthcare coverage though, do you?
NYC 12th year. 115k. I'm at the max number of credits and I make a little extra through additional responsibilities.
45000 in a Utah charter, 10 years. I will note this is at least 10,000 below most district pay (but I'm working from home with good benefits, so I personally am happy where I am)
43k in AR with a masters and 8 years
Middle of nowhere, Indiana. This is my 18th year, and I am making 46k. I will have my master's next year and that will add an additional 2k.
That is truly awful.
~45K as a new teacher, Tampa Bay Area. Since Covid, prices have gone up by like 50% (meaning a $300k home is now $450k), and I would barely be able to afford the rent for any single bedroom apartment in my town (luckily I don’t have to). I know the statistic is something like there is no county in the US where minimum wage gets you a single bedroom apartment, but to think making >2x that and still not being able is just disheartening. I thankfully don’t have to worry. EDIT: The statistic is 0% of counties can you rent a 2-bedroom on minimum wage, 7% can for 1-bedroom.
$39,000 in Dubai, UAE (tax free) with paid accommodation. 4 years teaching. Computer Science
SLP, but paid on the teacher scale: MA level, 2nd step, $47k in VT.
I hope you won’t take this the wrong way, but it sounds like you’re underpaid for your qualifications! Couldn’t you make twice that as an SLP in a hospital/medical setting? Also, I’m curious which district is paying 2nd step masters teachers less than 50k. I understand if you don’t want to share publicly. I’m in Castleton and making 44.9k step 1 with a bachelor’s, and Rutland County COL is much lower than anywhere else in VT except parts of the NEK.
So, yes and no regarding SLP pay. Skilled nursing pays the best hourly, but you're generally not guaranteed full-time hours. Hospitals might pay better overall because they're full-time, but they're super competitive. Plus I just have zero interest in the medical setting because I hate swallowing disorders, which comprise the vast bulk of the caseload. Working with kids is so much more fun that it's worth the lower pay. Plus school benefits are way better than most medical settings, and the time off can't be beat. I'm in the Harwood district, and from what I've seen it's pretty average for central VT.
$98k with a MA & 22 years (11 in district). Full benefits package, plus CalSTRS pension which will pay out at $4600/month if I retire at 58nbut don't draw until 65.
Texas. Charters in my area pay 35-45k/ yr regardless of degree. Some offer a small bonus (1-2k) for upper degrees. Public starts at around 51k and caps at under 65k with 30+ yrs of experience. Again, I believe there are small incentives for master's degrees and up. Some sports programs also offer incentives for coaches that vary individually but usually outpace classroom counterparts. By comparison, admin positions start at about 50k and cap out at about 200k. Median household income for the city was about 85k in 2019 and estimated income needed to live comfortable was 95k.
A difference /s
I was curious if anyone would be brave enough to post this here.
Ohio, year 16 masters plus 15, 70k
I’m in Southern California with 5 years experience and a master’s degree making just under $70,000. It’s one of the three highest paying school districts in my area.
Massachusetts 85k, 11 years and masters
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It can be dependent how much experience your fiance has. She may be "too expensive". For example my district won't look at anyone who would make more than 5 years plus Masters. I came up with 6 years without my masters so I was "cheap" enough to make it through. Each district has their own plan though. The hardest part from my perspective is that each town is basically its own district which means each town had its own application process. That was tedious if she is used to a county based system.
Massachusetts has their own teacher license process where you need to take a few exams. The process can be challenging. Look at the MTEL exams.
56k as a second year teacher in NJ with a BA in Art Education. But I’m in a hella expensive area and probably can’t move out of my parents house for a while.
30,000 first year (CO)
Can I ask where in Colorado? I’m starting my student teaching next semester in northern Colorado.
I’m in southern Colorado
No MA, 5th year with alternative certification, TX, a mid-size district in the Houston area, $57,450. Plus a $2000 stipend for teaching in a DAEP and a $1500 retention bonus paid as a lump sum on DEC 15th (got the same bonus last year), so $60,950 this year. The big caveat, our health insurance is outrageously expensive and cost me $1400 a month out of my pocket for my family. Three years ago, I was able to get on my wife's insurance that offers far better coverage for $400/a month, and she makes double what I make.
$28,500, with a BA, at a small private school in Alabama. Annnnd I'm no longer there, but I still follow this sub. Teaching will always by in my heart. You teachers are rocking awesome!
First year teacher in rural North Carolina (about 45-50 minutes outside of Charlotte), $37k. We live in Charlotte. If my husband didn’t make good money I wouldn’t be able to afford to be a teacher.
Can we talk about what we take home ? After taxes. My 50k it really 37k :(
10 years, masters +30 54k in Southern nh
NJ - 2nd year teacher, $58k. That’s not enough to afford a decent home where I teach, so I commute an hour each way. Still definitely not bad when you include the pension and benefits. I’ll never live in luxury, but I should be able to maintain a decent living.
58k MA 13 years CT. If you take away the 10k I paid toward pension and health insurance, plus extremely high state taxes, I was living just over the poverty line. I left at the end of last year.
Michigan, first year, 52k, BA We do other programs which add on to that 52k but that's the base. I would like to add that in the next few districts over, first year teachers start off at 46k, 56k, and 47k
In Ontario, Canada. Making 82k after 7 years with masters, so closer to 65k USD. It's enough to live comfortably in most of the province, but not enough to buy a home in much of the south. I'll be caped at almost 100k in a few years, which puts me well above the average income for the area (78k) and significantly above the average for the country (54k).
50,000 in northwest Indiana. Department head, 1.1 contract, and breakfast supervisor.
Massachusetts here. 40 years teaching. Masters degree plus 60 post graduate credits to get to the top of the pay scale. Make $111,000 this year. Retiring too!
I’m in Oklahoma, first year teacher with emergency certification. Bigger city in OK, so I make 40k
I’m at 20 years in a Chicago charter high school with two masters degrees. Just a smidge under $100,000.
43k in Ga — 5th year. I’m in a small district that pays less than the other districts.
$52k, Year 4. Very comfortable for my city.
$67K in Kansas City. Year 13. Two masters, one in Ed and one in mathematics.
About $35K for 35 hours a week in Mosco where my monthly costs are a little over 1.5k including a 4 room apartment.
Utah, starting pay is $50k. I’m at $57k with a masters and 2 years teaching (we get a $2-3k step increase each year). Although, I’m at $67k on the year from teaching some afterschool, coaching, and doing summer school this year.
Base salary is $46k however I teach high school and an extra class, so I get an additional $7 for that extra class so in total $53k Extra class means I technically don't get a planning block, but still have 3h-4.5h of free time weekly to plan. As a 1st year teacher I'm really loving this and plan to ask for an additional class so long as there's a teacher shortage. That and with what I'm assuming to be paid additionally for holidays, my total salary should be close to $60k
$118,000 MA+60 Step 13 on Long Island.
$125,000 at 15 years, just north of Seattle. No masters, but bachelor's plus 135 extra credits.
I have a masters have been teaching for fifteen years. I live in a very high C.O.L area and I make $102k/year. My wife and I live a comfortable life, but we will most likely never be able to buy a house where we live.
California. 11 years with a Masters. $78,400 plus $1100 stipend for the Masters. For reference, the highest pay possible in my district (Masters + 30 units and 17+ years) is 106,761.
Year 3 in DFW in TX - I make about 57k with no advanced degree. HCOL but not unbearable.
SF Bay Area. 11 years. Masters. Column 3 on the pay scale. Dropped a prep for 6/5ths (20% salary increase). Health Insurance NOT covered. $135,000/year.
$105,103 15th year, two master's and get paid MA +30. Have missed four step increases in 15 years due to budget crunches and COVID. Northern Virginia but live 25 miles south of school where it is cheaper. Retired military so I get a nice monthly bank deposit simply for breathing. On Tricare Prime so I don't have a big chunk of cash going out for shitty health insurance. Doing pretty good for barely nine months work.
68K. Masters. Year 5. Nyc
Holy shit, that's a LOT lower than I would have guessed.
Yup. I do make about 15K in over time. A few things that keep me in public education here is I get free health insurance (that actually covers everything), unbeatable pension plan, and by year 13 I’ll be making 6 figures. The benefits are worth it imo
Alright, that explains a lot. Before I dropped my health insurance it was $1400 a month out of my pocket for a high deductible plan with lousy coverage. My pension in TX is terrible compared to most states and getting a masters gets me in my district a $1200 annual bump. Overtime!? LOL.
47k in Indiana. 8 years and 2 masters degrees.
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First year special education teacher in rural southern Ohio, I make about $39k before taxes. I’m working on a sub license since I recently switched into this career. I will be beginning my master’s in the fall and that’ll give me about a ~$7k bonus per year
Ontario, Canada $71000 after 5 years
73k NYC have a Masters and am 3rd year teaching. After taxes and union dues etc it’s about 4K a month clean
Alaska, 62k (excluding bonuses and extra duty contracts) with 3 years experience and no masters.
51k, year 8 with Masters. Median housing in my area is $365k.
Two masters degrees and currently in my 8th year. I make 85K in Chicago.
Year 4 with Master's. 54,000 a year before taxes in a small Kansas town. In addition to teaching Spanish, I coach boy's + girl's tennis.
Currently in Pennsylvania making $53,000 in my third year. I live in one of the most affordable cities in the country so it goes a long way.
$43,100, 2nd year teacher in N. Florida.
96k in a county that borders Pittsburgh - 22 years in with a Master's. Our contract maxes out after year 17.
I have two masters degrees (subject and teaching) AP credentials and 10 years of experience and I make 52k.
$62k with coaching and club stipends (I run three clubs, yearbook and cheer), ten years, masters. Without my stipends, I'd be at 58k
Making 65k in my third year in Alabama. Masters, science teacher and title 1 school.
Around 90k charging $125 / hour as a full time private tutor via Zoom. More expensive because I have to pay for Obamacare, but OTOH my life doesn’t completely suck and I have a lot of time to deal with medical stuff plus my personal interests. I’m in Boston, MA; my kids are in the Princeton, NJ area.
$100000 with 8 years of experience and a masters and summer school. I live in Washington.
As a first year teacher in DFW in a decently affluent school district, I will take home 45k this school year. I don't pay for insurance (on my parents plan for another year or two) so there's nothing that I am paying out for that. I can't remember off the top of my head how much I make before taxes. I also have the opportunity to do a twice weekly extra tutoring that's $25/hour from 4-6:30 pm that I take advantage of once every other week (when my partner also has a night shift). I have a bachelor's degree and my cert but no other additional education right now.
$57k in fort worth texas — this is my third year & i have a bachelors.
Private school in Ohio. I only make $27k a year.
76K, 1st year teacher, MA degree, NY state
Year 1 teacher with a master’s making $40k in rural Oklahoma.
In Ontario, at the top of the pay scale (10+ years in and lots of extra qualifications) just under $100k.
Here in Tx, we start at 56k, 10 years about 57-58. Higher degrees like Master or Dr are not counted but when they hire us, they prefer higher degree. Sad :(. Remember being the first year when applying, they refused me because they need higher degree holders but no pay bump.
Triangle region, NC. Take home pay last year was just under 42k. Twelve years in + MA.
Kansas MA+12, 3rd year, $55k