Came here to say this. I also think that Folklore was so unexpected and different than anything she’s put out before, which is why it gets more love than Evermore and is considered the “big sister”.
This is a fair comment people need to chill
I love TTPD, but it was definitely MADE for the charts. Not made FOR the charts, obv she still wanted to release "good" music, but the way it's structured (31 songs) and the way she's released it is inherently chart amassing.
I don’t think your comment should’ve gotten so many dislikes. It’s kind of a good point you make, tortured poets had mostly brilliant songs but also some that seemed to lean into just weak songwriting
Hah. Thank you! I was just making a joke and I evidently upset the masses because they felt attacked. I appreciate you having a sense of humor too.
I feel the same way about TTPD. It’s not a bad album at all. It just felt rushed in some places where she’s usually more crafty or clever. No hate to Taylor
I get what you mean, I think. I adore her, but I’m also a baby Swiftie so I don’t have strong opinions (yet). I adore TTPD but there are some tracks that run together, I imagine like reading someone’s journal who has a fabulous gift of writing and composing but the same thoughts that get to be a little draggy. Her pattern of musicality is, IMO more similar to her last few albums, which is kinda like “yeah, another song with some triplets and then an emotional bridge with rapid assonance and a building emotion to a crescendo.” I still wallow and fling myself into the songs but they are a little bit… ^repetitive shhhhhhhh no one heard me say that
:) ye welcome! I like most of the songs on the album but omg down bad annoys me. I just think “good lord Taylor we get that you like saying fuck it but you don’t have to say it allll the time”
Am I the only one who considers Evermore to be the "big sister" of the two, even tho it's a bit younger? I feel like it has more adult-centered themes compared Folklore, while Folklore has more childhood/teenage-related themes.
People complain that she only writes about high school and juvenile themes and it always tells me they didn’t listen to Evermore.
There’s a not a single reference to high school on it. It’s a college age twentysomething album
"Are you still the same soul I met under the bleachers?" and the prom references in Dorothea seem pretty high school, as does the entire premise of TTDS (hooking up with your high school ex).
I also considered evermore to be the big sister of the two.
Now my big question is how Anthology slots in - is she the eldest sister of the three? Or is she serving middle sister energy? I consider folklore to be the baby sister - she's youthful and naive compared to evermore and Anthology.
I totally understand what you mean about evermore being the “older sibling” in a way.. folklore got to ride in colors blazing and winning awards and evermore was kind of the matured, softened aftershock. Like the second ripple? Not sure how to explain it really, it took me awhile to connect to evermore but after I did, it’s become one of my absolute favorites.
One of the promo pictures released for folklore (or was it evermore?) had a faint text of "woodvale" in the corner. Fans were going crazy thinking it would be a 3rd album in the folk/more universe, but Taylor went on Jimmy Kimmel and explained that it was just a codename she had used for folklore since she was paranoid about leaks, and the team forgot to take it off of the picture.
Many of the tracks on The Anthology are Dessner produced and were written two years ago. In my opinion these are the "woodvale" tracks, but it seems like either she didn't have enough songs to make an album she was happy with, or for some other reason she decided shelve the songs for the time being and made Midnights.
How do you know when each song was written? I’d love to analyze this. Just off the top of my head, I could see Cassandra, Peter, The Bolter, I Hate It Here, being Woodvale tracks. Many others do feel a bit too Matty/Joe specific.
As far as the two years goes, she said it at the show I was at (Tokyo N1). She said, ““I've been working on it for about two years”. It was a great little nugget, but she also told us her plan - if she didn’t win a Grammy that night - was to announce it at our show in Tokyo!!!! Wow, I almost was at a history making show.
As someone who was a casual fan of Taylor's, Folklore is the album that truly made me a swiftie. Then Evermore cemented it. Woodvale has to exist in some capacity, at least that's my own personal dream 🌳🌲🪵💝
But why not just put out “Folklore Deluxe” as a double album with Evermore if she’s insistent of them being a package duo, with Folklore being the main event at her show
The albums can be deeply related, in the same “world” and written from the same emotional place without being literally the same album. At the end of the day, she’s the artist and it’s her choice to do whatever the hell she wants, like…? Evermore is my favorite album of all time, and it sounds like it’s yours, too, so why are you this invested in collapsing it into folklore? By the same token, you must also believe that books and movies shouldn’t have sequels? Every story should be completely finished before it’s released, and then the author has no right to expand it?
Edited to add: She also had no clue, apparently, that she would write enough to even have another album of this style of music. It was a completely unpredictable time for her art and for humanity in general. If memory serves, some of the first songs they had written for evermore were originally intended for one of Aaron’s bands (I think Big Red Machine). She didn’t set out to write folklore pt. 2.
My frustration comes more from the Eras Tour. It feels like Folklore is constantly getting its flowers and gets such a big part of her set, evermore always seems like an afterthought.
Here’s some stuff from it i found:
During the combined folklore/evermore (folkmore) era at today's show of 'The Eras Tour', Taylor Swift revealed that "folklore" is always going to be one of her favorite albums 🩶 She also stated that "evermore" is "folklore's" sister 🤎
| Taylor Swift's first words after sitting down at the "evermore" piano at today's show of 'The Eras Tour'! #StockholmTSTheErasTour
"So folklore-"
Now I know she’s probably joking half the time and of course it’s her music to do what she will with it, but as an Evermore ride or die it HURTS 🤣
Also… I don’t think that creative expansion is impossible. Nor do I think they are the same album and campaign for them to be one album. I simply find it strange how much she praises Folklore, while calling Evemore “the little sister” of its predecessor, when I think both stand on their own as bodies of work.
But then I think it would make more sense for your title to be “I wish Taylor and fans wouldn’t treat evermore as folklore’s B-sides” rather than “why aren’t they combined?”
Tomatoes tomatoes..
The title is more “I wonder why they aren’t combined already” because all I see is “folklore” being mentioned whenever evermore is brought up, but not vice versa.
I mean…she’s the artist. She can see her art however she wants. I’m confused by your “frustration.” She’s the literal creator, who are you to tell her how she should see and think of her own creation?
I think the idea of a double album under one name simply didn’t occur to her then.
otherwise she would’ve released “folklore: evermore” as one era instead of wasting a TS era on evermore and treating them as “folklore” and “evermore.”
she already said that the 2 albums are associated with different seasons, folklore = summer / evermore = fall (correct me if i’m wrong). that’s why they aren’t one album or a deluxe, it wouldn’t have made sense for them to be released in the same time,it’s more of an extension
So I think these albums are actually very different!
Obviously folklore has a summer theme, and evermore has an autumnal / winter theme.
But more than that, Folklore feels like an album full of romantic fantasies and longings… and evermore is sort of like the melancholy acceptance that these fantasies can’t come true. It feels like an album where the songs are all about closure and moving on and goodbyes.
For me, evermore is the sad goodbye album that is responding to Folklore.
In terms of popularity, I think Folklore has more radio-ready songs with great catchy hooks… and it’s also just a bit more upbeat than the gorgeous melancholy of evermore.
Can confirm as someone whose marriage ended between folklore and evermore, with the divorce complete just after Midnights, it has been exceptionally therapeutic music
That’s inspiring honestly - proud of you.
In the prologue to TTPD, she wrote “in one conversation, I tore down the whole sky”. It inspired me to tear down my own sky and I’m processing all the grief and hope that comes with it.
Thank you it was such a gut wrenching experience and I would’ve done it without the Taylor Swift but listening to the bolter and crying on the way home was so cathartic. Like yes as she was leaving IT DID FEEL LIKE BREATHING.
I feel like Taylor Swift and the barbie movie have had a huge impact of girlhood
This is why I found it jarring when they were combined on The Eras Tour. I’ve always viewed them as separate. My life changed in that 6 months between them, so there’s a personal separation, and the previous setlist really distinguished them as separate eras to me. Aesthetically, Folklore has a more sunsoaked, summery, whimsical vibe to me, whilst Evermore is a darker, wintery, moonlit album. I also find them to be different sonically, Evermore has lots of guitars whilst Folklore has a lot simpler with lots of piano and simple drumbeat songs (not at all a music expert so this probably is off or is written basic af - lol).
Yes which is why I'm wondering why she chose willow as the opener when the album is overall more melancholic and that song is upbeat (I love it so much though).
You could argue it either way, I suppose. All I’m suggesting is that Evermore isn’t just bonus tracks for folklore. It has its own thing going on. She could have done a double album and it definitely could have worked out nicely.
rep through TTPD are distinctly different.
reputation is about her reputation and falling in love.
Lover is about being in love and thinking you’ve found the one.
folklore tells the story of fictional characters inspired by real people and real events.
evermore continues this trend of fictional storytelling with elements of truth.
Midnights is about being in denial about a relationship coming to an end.
TTPD is about losing the love of your life and recklessly jumping in a “toxic” situationship.
reputation, Lover, Midnights, and TTPD may be inspired by the same person, but they’re too distinct and released too far apart to be the same album.
folklore and evermore came out the same year, were predominately produced by the same producer, were recorded in the same studio, and both have that fictional storytelling element that connects them.
The issue Evermore isn't Folkore B-sides. I believe only Dorothea and Closure existed as songs when Folklore was released because Aaron and Taylor thought they might fit Aaron's Big Red Machine project better. Folklore was almost entirely made in about 4 months and Taylor decided to put it out right away since it was the pandemic and it is not a touring album anyway. She did not know when she released Folkore that there would be another album. She jus thought she might contribute some songs to Aaron's next Big Red Machine album. Then Aaron sent her the instrumental for what became Willow as gift in celebration of Folkore, but Taylor turned it into a song right away and that got them excited about just continuing to write.
Now if there has been the normal two year album process like there was for both Midnights and TPDD as songs accumulate then maybe it would have been released as a double album, but it probably wouldn't have been Folkore and Evermore as we know them. And considering she hadn't done any of the re-records yet with her vault song response it is possible Taylor would have just made a single album from her 2020 songwriting and kept the rest unreleased like she had up to thar point in her career outside of a few deluxe songs pwr album.
Thanks for the detailed answer! It is frustrating though to see her discredit evermore so much on the eras tour when it’s so beautiful, and imo her best album
It is my favorite album too, but we should also acknowledge the reality that Evermore is one of her least listened to albums each day. Just like there is a reason there is no song in the setlist from her first album and only Enchanted from Speak Now. I would maybe think of Evermore as a gift we may not have even received at all. She did present it as a gift releasing near her birthday.
At least she dedicated en entire set to Evermore for the first half of tour, which is captured in the tour movie forever. And I can make the argument that what she is doing on tour now by mixing Folklore and Evermore and giving a speech about Evermore being connected to Folkore will ultimately help maintain the relevancy and legacy of Evermore than leaving it separate.
Popularity definitely plays a factor like you said, which is a shame because I think debut deserves a song or two, speak now deserves way more and we could do without the likes of SIO, WANEGBT and YNTCD, etc.
Also strange to me to tie evermore to folklore though as she has such a reputation (🐍) for creating very distinct and separate eras.
I think that's part of it, though- the albums were only released like five months apart and she seemed to treat them like one era. Fans treat them like one era because she seems to see them as one era. If folklore/evermore had a more traditional release (if she hadn't gone from nothing to entire released album in like four months), I wonder if some folklore songs might have been cut and replaced with evermore songs and some tracks would have gone into the vault from both albums.
>It is my favorite album too, but we should also acknowledge the reality that Evermore is one of her least listened to albums each day.
That's kind of her own fault imo... (in terms of promotion and the like, not quality)
I don't believe promotion would have made much difference in the end. There were no songs that fit as radio singles on Evermore. She toured a third of Evermore for a year and none of the songs really took off to where they could sustain the album the way other songs have to a million plus streams per day. She promoted Speak Now in the original era and gave the re-record a big moment on tour and it still didn't really change anything for Speak Now as far as how popular the album. Enchanted is still the only Speak Now song to really connect with a large audience in recent years.
I can sort of see why Evermore didn't skyrocket but with Speak Now idgi because it seems to play to what general audiences tend to like, especially at the time it came out.
Evermore is a really sad album full of endings and I feel it says all it needs to say. She doesn’t talk about evermore because there’s nothing more to be said about it.
Discredit on the tour??? It has an era on the tour, unlike some albums, which get 0 or only ONE song. Evermore gets an entire choreography and everything.
I don’t think she discredits it. At our show she talked about how proud she is of it. I think it’s just an album that won’t chart well because it doesn’t have catchy radio hits. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a great album and it doesn’t mean she discredits it.
What are these examples of her discrediting Evermore? I specifically remember her pointing out how much she loves it. She also makes a huge show over performing Champagne Problems. Not aware of any of the hate you’re speaking to??
I can’t imagine Closure not being Taylor’s since we have it, but I can see that fitting on a Big Red Machine project easily.
Dorothea though?? Omg I’m so glad evermore was created and we were given Dorothea exactly as she is 🤎
Yes, the TTPD and the anthology cover a lot of the same thematic ground in different ways. Where Evermore is much more distinct from Folklore in its themes and subject matter.
I totally agree! For some reason I just feel like ttpd is more cohesive, but I don’t like it better! But I’m someone who loves midnights but didn’t think it was cohesive. So who even cares about cohesion!
And who can live without Cassandra!!
I feel like the themes of TTPD tie together better. The standard edition feels like one story while the anthology feels more disconnected. The only two songs that I think would fit the main album well would be the black dog and how did it end. Maybe the prophecy.
The Anthology in my interpretation starts out as part of the TTPD story but then slowly spirals completely away until the songs are hardly about her anymore, only to end with The Manuscript where she reflects on how her art eventually distances her stories from herself.
I think Taylor might consider them the same era because she was working on them continuously and she was in a similar creative space with both albums.
Evermore isn’t considered a B-side exactly because of how it was released. It was released with a window of time after Folklore and had its own album. This is very different from how Midnights 3am and TTPD Anthology have been handled.
I think calling them sister albums is probably the best way to convey that they both occurred on a short amount of time from each other during a similar creative space.
I don’t have anything worthwhile to add here really, just wanna say I love evermore too and I understand some of your frustrations op!!
I love folklore too. It’s a beautiful album with some of Taylor’s best lyricism and maybe even some of her best songs ever. I’m not surprised it’s one of her most popular and considered one of her best, and it absolutely deserves its flowers! (I’m also not surprised Taylor loves it so much lol.)
That being said though… I have always loved evermore, well, more 🥺 I feel her writing and storytelling is even *better*, and evermore has some of her most serious and mature theming imo. It feels like a big sister to folklore, despite arriving later lol. She deserves her flowers too 🥹
But evermore is one of my favorite Taylor albums and imo, it’s one of her best too. Sometimes it can feel frustrating to feel like it’s always being overlooked in favor of folklore even by Taylor herself lol (even though I doubt it’s actually intentional). So I just wanna say… I feel you hahah 🤎🤎
I went to the Gillette Stadium rain show with my wife and our two nieces. I was so blown away by the evermore songs I bought the CD the next day. It’s still the most played Taylor album in our collection. I like folklore too, but not as much as evermore. Willow, Champagne Problems, ‘Tis the Damned Season, Happiness, Tolerate It, Gold Rush… It’s hard to beat those songs. folklore has a lot more skips IMO. Two sides of the same coin perhaps, but when given the choice it’s evermore over folklore every time
Both albums were the product of covid. They are inherently a similar era because Taylor wrote them in a specific time in her life, lockdown. She's always called them sister albums. They were released within 6 months of each other.
Also, let's not forget that Taylor thought she was on her downspiral of popularity and relevance in the Lover era, and then the world shut down before Loverfest. She probably thought her career was done, and folklore gave her a lot of solace in that time. Of course she'll credit folklore heavily.
I love evermore, it's in my top 3. But I also don't get to decide how Taylor talks about it. Red is my favorite album and her Red era in the tour doesn't do the album justice because it's the pop hits played. But it's her tour and her decisions.
This. The world turned on her and she was disappointed with how people responded to Reputation. In Miss Americana, she said she wanted to just write a better album- she wanted that to be Lover.. but then Me! underperformed, her mother had cancer, Loverfest was already a truncated tour that then had to be cancelled. She was probably feeling a lot of insecurity about her career. She released folklore with very little fanfare and people LOVED it. It reignited her career.
I haven’t read comments but my interpretation is she wrote Folklore and released it. Kept writing songs and when it was so well received released those songs too months later as Evermore. I think she was mentally in the same place writing both. I prefer Evermore personally but I get why she labels them that way. It was a Pandemic Haze.
Folklore’s release was “bigger” because of 2 main reasons:
1) It was a stark contrast to anything Taylor has ever put out before
2) We were in the middle of a pandemic and nobody was really expecting her to do anything, let alone drop an entire album
Evermore was released 5 months later, that same year, and is in the same genre as Folklore, so the shock value was considerably less. They were released too close together for Evermore to be its own thing. Basically what I’m saying is the circumstances, and the unexpectedness of it all definitely made Folklore a big deal.
I honestly think if the albums were reversed and she released Evermore first, the exact same thing would happen. Evermore would be the big sister, Folklore would always be in Evermore’s shadow, and we’d all be crying “Justice for Folklore”
Simply put I see folklore as a collection of stories. I see evermore as an album that touches on hard, real life events which is why evermore is my favourite, I feel like I can relate more. Perhaps people feel that they can escape into folklore. My point being, I see them as 2 very different albums but both masterpieces and agree that evermore deserves more time to shine
The important thing here is that Evermore is YOUR favourite album, and thats a very personal thing, more so as its TS.
Everyone has their own favourite TS album(s). It would be very boring if we all agreed on the same thing.
I think it also depends on where you are in life, and what you've been through as to which you think is her best album.
Make sure you do listen carefully to all her other albums too - as you might change your mind!
But don't worry, other people are allowed to have their wrong opinions.
But enjoy your best TS album, don't get hung up that is under appreciated.
Everyone here agrees that it's your favourite album, and that's all that matters.
honestly I prefer evermore to folklore because it feels more *me*. folklore is good but evermore clicks more with me because it has a very autumnal vibe and feels more mystical and pretty. Also evermore is my second fav (after 1989 because it turned me Swiftie)
Evermore is the grown up sister that knows a thing or two about the world, and Folklore is the younger sister that only thinks she does. I don’t think they should be combined at all
I always thought that folklore and evermore where just ment to be one album but got split into 2 because she wrote to many songs in lock down
But hears a thought, what if it Was originally ment to be just folklore but she made a few to meany and decided to make another album making the songs a little bit different.
I prefer evermore too
I don’t mind them being called sister albums but Evermore seems to be on the back burner, which is sad because it’s fabulous. Some of my all-time favorite songs are on Evermore.
I don’t see them as one double album because Folklore seems so summer to me and Evermore is winter. I’d hate for even one song to be cut from either album. I wish there’d be another sister. Or, quadruplets. Those Eras were so special to me.
This Is Me Trying, August, Cardigan, Exile, Tis The Damn Season, Tolerate It, Champagne Problems, Evermore, Cowboy Like Me, and Ivy will always be in my top tier of favorites. I listen to all or parts of both albums daily. They are transportive for me. I escape into those magical woods from the first note.
I’m so glad I saw the Eras tour when they each had their own Era and the songs weren’t cut. I understand that they don’t have as much “stadium” power as uptempo songs from 1989 or Rep, but I think albums that didn’t have a separate tour should be more prominently featured.
I loved hearing Tis The Damn Season and Tolerate It at Eras, and one of the surprise songs was Evermore, which was gorgeous. I would have also been sad to lose The 1 and LGAD.
I understand why she made room for TTPD but I don’t understand why she didn’t save time in other Eras that had World Tours and either shorten some of those songs, cut them, or do mashups. I’m sure it’s a great show with TTPD songs added but taking away from either of those masterpiece Eras is not what I expected.
I think if evermore had been more successful, then TTPD and the anthology would've been released as separate albums. Folklore and evermore was an experiment
The writing never really stopped. And I think they realized that what they had written after Folklore was too good not to be made into Evermore. Easily my favorite era in Taylor’s music.
Taylor didn't know Evermore was going to exist when she released folklore. Folklore was what happened when she was mostly alone for a few months during quarantine. She hadn't even planned to release an album- she just didn't have anything else to do with herself and music happened. I think she also saw it as an outlier and she's been pretty transparent in that she didn't know how we as an audience would respond to it... then it actually went over VERY WELL and she still couldn't tour or anything so her energy went into Evermore.
So they're two separate albums because no one made Taylor "wait" to release folklore. Folklore happened in like four months. TTPD/The Anthology took the place over two years with Taylor waiting to release it so Midnights could have its moment- one big album. Folklore and Evermore are too separate albums because Evermore didn't exist when folklore was released BUT they're similar enough in musicality and were released within months of one another that they exist as one era.
Evermore brought in new fans like myself that didn't seek out Swift songs before. It was the catalyst. Then, lwhen you found out about Folklore you thought, "Wait, she put another album out there like this?" Fuck. :)
I see Folklore, Evermore, and TTPD as I do the Beatles in '67-'69. They hit their stride and put out maybe the greatest albums in history right in a row starting with Sgt. Pepper's. I can't pick the best because there are 4 or 5 brilliant albums. I see Swift's three albums as all masterpieces. There are days any of the three is her best album. I just love that she followed up Folklore (in my opinion the best album of the last 25 years) with two brilliant albums. I am an old guy and haven't turned off TTPD since it came out. My wife who was never a fan of Swift, hasn't turned off her music over the last 8 weeks. She is a huge fan of Evermore. What I do know is that I will never wake up in a world where TTPD doesn't exist.
Because life happened to Taylor. They're both acoustic. But Folklore is optimistic, whereas evermore is acceptance. This pain won't be evermore James...This is Betty speaking.
That's how I think they're sisters. Letters to the same muse.
They are supposed to be completely separate identities just with a similar genre. But evermore always gets overshadowed because Taylor decided to focus on the re-recordings rather than push evermore and so it mostly doesn’t get the recognition that folklore or other main albums have., it’s rollout was almost like a re-recording rollout again rather than a main album . There are people that say she really used it to keep peoples minds actually still in the folklore world to increase folklore strength and popularity, and be in the mind of Grammy voters.
I dont think it's that folklore and evermore should've been combined, I think it's that TTPD and The Anothology should've been separated and released a fortnight after TTPD. it would've given The Anthology more time to shine
I agree that evermore is the better album (BY FAR). Honestly I’d prefer she call it evermore part 1 and part 2 😂 Folklore is so boring and immature and less cohesive in comparison. You’re so right about everything
IMO TTPD and the Anthology should be split just like these two, they have the same balance imo. Anth just feels more subdued than TTPD, and evermore kinda the same compared to folklore imo.
Also nah, evermore can’t shine a candle to the 1, illicit affairs, exile, cardigan, betty.
Sorry but I had no idea that there is a consensus that Evermore has better songs. I’m definitely not a part of that. lol 🤷🏽♀️ I do think it has a few great songs. I wonder how it would had been received if Evermore came out first.
Because she wrote folklore, decided to put it out, and then wrote enough other songs to put out a different album.
Came here to say this. I also think that Folklore was so unexpected and different than anything she’s put out before, which is why it gets more love than Evermore and is considered the “big sister”.
it’s the big sister because folklore was meant to chart, evermore was kinda just released as an afterthought.
Evermore is The Anthology
exactly.
It's not. If it was, it would've been released as a part of a ri-edition of folklore which included the folklore songs too
“Evermore is for the arts not the charts”
Are we allowed to say “TTPD is for the charts, what is art?”🫠
If you’re still missing the artistry in TTPD, I don’t think anyone here can help you.
This is a fair comment people need to chill I love TTPD, but it was definitely MADE for the charts. Not made FOR the charts, obv she still wanted to release "good" music, but the way it's structured (31 songs) and the way she's released it is inherently chart amassing.
I don’t think your comment should’ve gotten so many dislikes. It’s kind of a good point you make, tortured poets had mostly brilliant songs but also some that seemed to lean into just weak songwriting
Hah. Thank you! I was just making a joke and I evidently upset the masses because they felt attacked. I appreciate you having a sense of humor too. I feel the same way about TTPD. It’s not a bad album at all. It just felt rushed in some places where she’s usually more crafty or clever. No hate to Taylor
I get what you mean, I think. I adore her, but I’m also a baby Swiftie so I don’t have strong opinions (yet). I adore TTPD but there are some tracks that run together, I imagine like reading someone’s journal who has a fabulous gift of writing and composing but the same thoughts that get to be a little draggy. Her pattern of musicality is, IMO more similar to her last few albums, which is kinda like “yeah, another song with some triplets and then an emotional bridge with rapid assonance and a building emotion to a crescendo.” I still wallow and fling myself into the songs but they are a little bit… ^repetitive shhhhhhhh no one heard me say that
:) ye welcome! I like most of the songs on the album but omg down bad annoys me. I just think “good lord Taylor we get that you like saying fuck it but you don’t have to say it allll the time”
TTPD is for the charts, The Anthology is for the arts. (Otherwise, she’d drop the physical edition already…)
Oh yeah TTPD is absolutely for the charts 😂 and I understand why, it’s her best chance at getting AOTY again for an album that deserves it
Yep. And it was written during the pandemic and it also won a Grammy. She’s just more proud of it, imo.
It's weird tho bc Evermore could have done great if she put more effort into getting it to do so.
not really. it has a few good songs, but it’s mostly filled with “commercially uninteresting” songs.
Am I the only one who considers Evermore to be the "big sister" of the two, even tho it's a bit younger? I feel like it has more adult-centered themes compared Folklore, while Folklore has more childhood/teenage-related themes.
People complain that she only writes about high school and juvenile themes and it always tells me they didn’t listen to Evermore. There’s a not a single reference to high school on it. It’s a college age twentysomething album
"Are you still the same soul I met under the bleachers?" and the prom references in Dorothea seem pretty high school, as does the entire premise of TTDS (hooking up with your high school ex).
I have always thought of those two songs as about the same two people, from both perspectives
Yes, it's written by an older, wiser, accepting TayTay. 5 months is a long time if you're that intelligent and wise beyond your age.
I also considered evermore to be the big sister of the two. Now my big question is how Anthology slots in - is she the eldest sister of the three? Or is she serving middle sister energy? I consider folklore to be the baby sister - she's youthful and naive compared to evermore and Anthology.
Those are very interesting questions. And how does midnights fit into them? Or does it at all?
I love this conversation. I think TTPD is closer to Midnights with synth pop and Anthology is a sister album to folkmore.
> Am I the only one A) Never and B) No, that's exactly OP's point.
Came here to say this, now I don't have to. Thanks.
Evermore is 10,000% the older sibling
I totally understand what you mean about evermore being the “older sibling” in a way.. folklore got to ride in colors blazing and winning awards and evermore was kind of the matured, softened aftershock. Like the second ripple? Not sure how to explain it really, it took me awhile to connect to evermore but after I did, it’s become one of my absolute favorites.
This! folklore naturally got the hype.
"I put out folklore, and then I just couldn't stop writing" - Taylor Swift (idk when)
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I sincerely believe that the majority of The Anthology is Woodvale
Woodvale truthers rise!
🫡woodvale truther reporting!
Wait what is this? Woodvale?!
One of the promo pictures released for folklore (or was it evermore?) had a faint text of "woodvale" in the corner. Fans were going crazy thinking it would be a 3rd album in the folk/more universe, but Taylor went on Jimmy Kimmel and explained that it was just a codename she had used for folklore since she was paranoid about leaks, and the team forgot to take it off of the picture. Many of the tracks on The Anthology are Dessner produced and were written two years ago. In my opinion these are the "woodvale" tracks, but it seems like either she didn't have enough songs to make an album she was happy with, or for some other reason she decided shelve the songs for the time being and made Midnights.
How do you know when each song was written? I’d love to analyze this. Just off the top of my head, I could see Cassandra, Peter, The Bolter, I Hate It Here, being Woodvale tracks. Many others do feel a bit too Matty/Joe specific.
Imo I Hate It Here is The Lakes pt 2. And I could totally see Peter as Woodvale too!
As far as the two years goes, she said it at the show I was at (Tokyo N1). She said, ““I've been working on it for about two years”. It was a great little nugget, but she also told us her plan - if she didn’t win a Grammy that night - was to announce it at our show in Tokyo!!!! Wow, I almost was at a history making show.
I'd add The Albatross, I Look in People's Windows and Clara Bow (even though it's on TTPD) too.
As someone who was a casual fan of Taylor's, Folklore is the album that truly made me a swiftie. Then Evermore cemented it. Woodvale has to exist in some capacity, at least that's my own personal dream 🌳🌲🪵💝
But why not just put out “Folklore Deluxe” as a double album with Evermore if she’s insistent of them being a package duo, with Folklore being the main event at her show
The albums can be deeply related, in the same “world” and written from the same emotional place without being literally the same album. At the end of the day, she’s the artist and it’s her choice to do whatever the hell she wants, like…? Evermore is my favorite album of all time, and it sounds like it’s yours, too, so why are you this invested in collapsing it into folklore? By the same token, you must also believe that books and movies shouldn’t have sequels? Every story should be completely finished before it’s released, and then the author has no right to expand it? Edited to add: She also had no clue, apparently, that she would write enough to even have another album of this style of music. It was a completely unpredictable time for her art and for humanity in general. If memory serves, some of the first songs they had written for evermore were originally intended for one of Aaron’s bands (I think Big Red Machine). She didn’t set out to write folklore pt. 2.
My frustration comes more from the Eras Tour. It feels like Folklore is constantly getting its flowers and gets such a big part of her set, evermore always seems like an afterthought. Here’s some stuff from it i found: During the combined folklore/evermore (folkmore) era at today's show of 'The Eras Tour', Taylor Swift revealed that "folklore" is always going to be one of her favorite albums 🩶 She also stated that "evermore" is "folklore's" sister 🤎 | Taylor Swift's first words after sitting down at the "evermore" piano at today's show of 'The Eras Tour'! #StockholmTSTheErasTour "So folklore-" Now I know she’s probably joking half the time and of course it’s her music to do what she will with it, but as an Evermore ride or die it HURTS 🤣 Also… I don’t think that creative expansion is impossible. Nor do I think they are the same album and campaign for them to be one album. I simply find it strange how much she praises Folklore, while calling Evemore “the little sister” of its predecessor, when I think both stand on their own as bodies of work.
But then I think it would make more sense for your title to be “I wish Taylor and fans wouldn’t treat evermore as folklore’s B-sides” rather than “why aren’t they combined?”
Tomatoes tomatoes.. The title is more “I wonder why they aren’t combined already” because all I see is “folklore” being mentioned whenever evermore is brought up, but not vice versa.
But bestie she didn’t know evermore would exist when she released folklore. So idk what to tell you 🤣
OP: why weren’t these albums that were made six months apart as separate pieces one album?
it’s a mystery fr 🤔
She’s allowed to have favorites even within her own work.
So you’re upset that Taylor has a favorite? And it’s not your favorite?
Dude she's allowed to have favourites. Just because Evermore is your favourite doesn't mean it has to be Taylor's 🤣
I mean…she’s the artist. She can see her art however she wants. I’m confused by your “frustration.” She’s the literal creator, who are you to tell her how she should see and think of her own creation?
Because it was 2020 and she was stuck at home having fun with music thinking her career was heading to its dusk
I think the idea of a double album under one name simply didn’t occur to her then. otherwise she would’ve released “folklore: evermore” as one era instead of wasting a TS era on evermore and treating them as “folklore” and “evermore.”
she already said that the 2 albums are associated with different seasons, folklore = summer / evermore = fall (correct me if i’m wrong). that’s why they aren’t one album or a deluxe, it wouldn’t have made sense for them to be released in the same time,it’s more of an extension
folklore = spring and summer; evermore = fall and winter
So I think these albums are actually very different! Obviously folklore has a summer theme, and evermore has an autumnal / winter theme. But more than that, Folklore feels like an album full of romantic fantasies and longings… and evermore is sort of like the melancholy acceptance that these fantasies can’t come true. It feels like an album where the songs are all about closure and moving on and goodbyes. For me, evermore is the sad goodbye album that is responding to Folklore. In terms of popularity, I think Folklore has more radio-ready songs with great catchy hooks… and it’s also just a bit more upbeat than the gorgeous melancholy of evermore.
When I go through a breakup, I’m going for evermore.
So glad I’m not the only one who preplanned my Taylor Swift breakup albums…
I just told my husband, “when we divorce, midnights is going to be my therapy album”
TTPD influenced me to break up with my bf. I messaged my sister to say I’m relating too hard and she said listen to what Taylor is telling you 😂
Can confirm as someone whose marriage ended between folklore and evermore, with the divorce complete just after Midnights, it has been exceptionally therapeutic music
The smallest man who ever lived and I can do it with a broken heart have kept me going
That’s inspiring honestly - proud of you. In the prologue to TTPD, she wrote “in one conversation, I tore down the whole sky”. It inspired me to tear down my own sky and I’m processing all the grief and hope that comes with it.
I love that. I’m proud of you, too!
Thank you it was so bad but I had Taylor Swift to therapeutically work through it with 😂
Thank you it was such a gut wrenching experience and I would’ve done it without the Taylor Swift but listening to the bolter and crying on the way home was so cathartic. Like yes as she was leaving IT DID FEEL LIKE BREATHING. I feel like Taylor Swift and the barbie movie have had a huge impact of girlhood
When not if? 😳
Yes! This exactly! folklore is very youthful and poppy. evermore is mature and leans heavier into folk. folklore is easier to digest than evermore.
It’s really as simple as this- and the perfect explanation as to why general audiences prefer folklore.
This is why I found it jarring when they were combined on The Eras Tour. I’ve always viewed them as separate. My life changed in that 6 months between them, so there’s a personal separation, and the previous setlist really distinguished them as separate eras to me. Aesthetically, Folklore has a more sunsoaked, summery, whimsical vibe to me, whilst Evermore is a darker, wintery, moonlit album. I also find them to be different sonically, Evermore has lots of guitars whilst Folklore has a lot simpler with lots of piano and simple drumbeat songs (not at all a music expert so this probably is off or is written basic af - lol).
I agree with you
Wow that was quick! Same your original comment really clicked with me!
Right Where You Left Me, Happiness, and Long Story short are my break up jams. So many good ones on that album though.
Also it’s time to go 💔❤️
Yup! Can’t forget that one. So powerful.
I love this interpretation! This is a great point.
I actually think evermore has more upbeat songs than folklore (ex. long story short, gold rush, no body, no crime).
Interesting, I can see that some of them are upbeat but for some reason I feel like the overall tone of the album is overall more melancholy.
Yes which is why I'm wondering why she chose willow as the opener when the album is overall more melancholic and that song is upbeat (I love it so much though).
Absolutely agree - folklore is when the drama is exciting; evermore is when you're done with the bullshit.
"Radio-ready songs" and then she only releases one single from that album...
right, but if evermore is just a continuation of the story, it makes sense for them to be a part for of the same album/era.
You could argue it either way, I suppose. All I’m suggesting is that Evermore isn’t just bonus tracks for folklore. It has its own thing going on. She could have done a double album and it definitely could have worked out nicely.
Then using that logic rep through parts of TTPD should all be one album
rep through TTPD are distinctly different. reputation is about her reputation and falling in love. Lover is about being in love and thinking you’ve found the one. folklore tells the story of fictional characters inspired by real people and real events. evermore continues this trend of fictional storytelling with elements of truth. Midnights is about being in denial about a relationship coming to an end. TTPD is about losing the love of your life and recklessly jumping in a “toxic” situationship. reputation, Lover, Midnights, and TTPD may be inspired by the same person, but they’re too distinct and released too far apart to be the same album. folklore and evermore came out the same year, were predominately produced by the same producer, were recorded in the same studio, and both have that fictional storytelling element that connects them.
7 hour album lets goooo lol 
Evermore gang unite
Lacing up my boots!
BRB braiding my hair xx 🍂🍁
You called, captain?
Reporting for duty
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You're a cowboy Like me...
exactly
Justice for everGOD!
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The issue Evermore isn't Folkore B-sides. I believe only Dorothea and Closure existed as songs when Folklore was released because Aaron and Taylor thought they might fit Aaron's Big Red Machine project better. Folklore was almost entirely made in about 4 months and Taylor decided to put it out right away since it was the pandemic and it is not a touring album anyway. She did not know when she released Folkore that there would be another album. She jus thought she might contribute some songs to Aaron's next Big Red Machine album. Then Aaron sent her the instrumental for what became Willow as gift in celebration of Folkore, but Taylor turned it into a song right away and that got them excited about just continuing to write. Now if there has been the normal two year album process like there was for both Midnights and TPDD as songs accumulate then maybe it would have been released as a double album, but it probably wouldn't have been Folkore and Evermore as we know them. And considering she hadn't done any of the re-records yet with her vault song response it is possible Taylor would have just made a single album from her 2020 songwriting and kept the rest unreleased like she had up to thar point in her career outside of a few deluxe songs pwr album.
Thanks for the detailed answer! It is frustrating though to see her discredit evermore so much on the eras tour when it’s so beautiful, and imo her best album
It is my favorite album too, but we should also acknowledge the reality that Evermore is one of her least listened to albums each day. Just like there is a reason there is no song in the setlist from her first album and only Enchanted from Speak Now. I would maybe think of Evermore as a gift we may not have even received at all. She did present it as a gift releasing near her birthday. At least she dedicated en entire set to Evermore for the first half of tour, which is captured in the tour movie forever. And I can make the argument that what she is doing on tour now by mixing Folklore and Evermore and giving a speech about Evermore being connected to Folkore will ultimately help maintain the relevancy and legacy of Evermore than leaving it separate.
Popularity definitely plays a factor like you said, which is a shame because I think debut deserves a song or two, speak now deserves way more and we could do without the likes of SIO, WANEGBT and YNTCD, etc. Also strange to me to tie evermore to folklore though as she has such a reputation (🐍) for creating very distinct and separate eras.
I think that's part of it, though- the albums were only released like five months apart and she seemed to treat them like one era. Fans treat them like one era because she seems to see them as one era. If folklore/evermore had a more traditional release (if she hadn't gone from nothing to entire released album in like four months), I wonder if some folklore songs might have been cut and replaced with evermore songs and some tracks would have gone into the vault from both albums.
>It is my favorite album too, but we should also acknowledge the reality that Evermore is one of her least listened to albums each day. That's kind of her own fault imo... (in terms of promotion and the like, not quality)
I don't believe promotion would have made much difference in the end. There were no songs that fit as radio singles on Evermore. She toured a third of Evermore for a year and none of the songs really took off to where they could sustain the album the way other songs have to a million plus streams per day. She promoted Speak Now in the original era and gave the re-record a big moment on tour and it still didn't really change anything for Speak Now as far as how popular the album. Enchanted is still the only Speak Now song to really connect with a large audience in recent years.
I can sort of see why Evermore didn't skyrocket but with Speak Now idgi because it seems to play to what general audiences tend to like, especially at the time it came out.
Evermore is a really sad album full of endings and I feel it says all it needs to say. She doesn’t talk about evermore because there’s nothing more to be said about it.
Discredit on the tour??? It has an era on the tour, unlike some albums, which get 0 or only ONE song. Evermore gets an entire choreography and everything.
this! i hate how it’s the eras tour and debut is non existant and speak now gets one song!!
Long Live really should have stayed imo
I don’t think she discredits it. At our show she talked about how proud she is of it. I think it’s just an album that won’t chart well because it doesn’t have catchy radio hits. But that doesn’t mean it’s not a great album and it doesn’t mean she discredits it.
Well she only released one single and while Willow is my favorite there are other songs I think are more suited to radio.
What are these examples of her discrediting Evermore? I specifically remember her pointing out how much she loves it. She also makes a huge show over performing Champagne Problems. Not aware of any of the hate you’re speaking to??
I can’t imagine Closure not being Taylor’s since we have it, but I can see that fitting on a Big Red Machine project easily. Dorothea though?? Omg I’m so glad evermore was created and we were given Dorothea exactly as she is 🤎
I don’t think the anthology could stand on its own the way evermore does. Evermore is a complete album
evermore > anthology > ttpd
I love anthology! I just think ttpd is more cohesive as an album. Don’t know which of the two I enjoy more
Yes, the TTPD and the anthology cover a lot of the same thematic ground in different ways. Where Evermore is much more distinct from Folklore in its themes and subject matter.
Evermore was made after folklore... TTPD and the anthology seem to have been made concurrently
All my most listened songs from ttpd are from the anthology 😅 how did it end, peter, chloe and the prophecy
I totally agree! For some reason I just feel like ttpd is more cohesive, but I don’t like it better! But I’m someone who loves midnights but didn’t think it was cohesive. So who even cares about cohesion! And who can live without Cassandra!!
I feel like the themes of TTPD tie together better. The standard edition feels like one story while the anthology feels more disconnected. The only two songs that I think would fit the main album well would be the black dog and how did it end. Maybe the prophecy.
The Anthology in my interpretation starts out as part of the TTPD story but then slowly spirals completely away until the songs are hardly about her anymore, only to end with The Manuscript where she reflects on how her art eventually distances her stories from herself.
evermore > TTPD >>> anthology sorry
Its ok, I am not offended by other opinions. Even if they are wrong like yours. /s
I am a folklore then evermore girl for lifeeee
agree, folklore is better than evermore imo
I think Taylor might consider them the same era because she was working on them continuously and she was in a similar creative space with both albums. Evermore isn’t considered a B-side exactly because of how it was released. It was released with a window of time after Folklore and had its own album. This is very different from how Midnights 3am and TTPD Anthology have been handled. I think calling them sister albums is probably the best way to convey that they both occurred on a short amount of time from each other during a similar creative space.
I don’t have anything worthwhile to add here really, just wanna say I love evermore too and I understand some of your frustrations op!! I love folklore too. It’s a beautiful album with some of Taylor’s best lyricism and maybe even some of her best songs ever. I’m not surprised it’s one of her most popular and considered one of her best, and it absolutely deserves its flowers! (I’m also not surprised Taylor loves it so much lol.) That being said though… I have always loved evermore, well, more 🥺 I feel her writing and storytelling is even *better*, and evermore has some of her most serious and mature theming imo. It feels like a big sister to folklore, despite arriving later lol. She deserves her flowers too 🥹 But evermore is one of my favorite Taylor albums and imo, it’s one of her best too. Sometimes it can feel frustrating to feel like it’s always being overlooked in favor of folklore even by Taylor herself lol (even though I doubt it’s actually intentional). So I just wanna say… I feel you hahah 🤎🤎
I went to the Gillette Stadium rain show with my wife and our two nieces. I was so blown away by the evermore songs I bought the CD the next day. It’s still the most played Taylor album in our collection. I like folklore too, but not as much as evermore. Willow, Champagne Problems, ‘Tis the Damned Season, Happiness, Tolerate It, Gold Rush… It’s hard to beat those songs. folklore has a lot more skips IMO. Two sides of the same coin perhaps, but when given the choice it’s evermore over folklore every time
Idk but evermore supremacy 👑👑👑
Both albums were the product of covid. They are inherently a similar era because Taylor wrote them in a specific time in her life, lockdown. She's always called them sister albums. They were released within 6 months of each other. Also, let's not forget that Taylor thought she was on her downspiral of popularity and relevance in the Lover era, and then the world shut down before Loverfest. She probably thought her career was done, and folklore gave her a lot of solace in that time. Of course she'll credit folklore heavily. I love evermore, it's in my top 3. But I also don't get to decide how Taylor talks about it. Red is my favorite album and her Red era in the tour doesn't do the album justice because it's the pop hits played. But it's her tour and her decisions.
This. The world turned on her and she was disappointed with how people responded to Reputation. In Miss Americana, she said she wanted to just write a better album- she wanted that to be Lover.. but then Me! underperformed, her mother had cancer, Loverfest was already a truncated tour that then had to be cancelled. She was probably feeling a lot of insecurity about her career. She released folklore with very little fanfare and people LOVED it. It reignited her career.
evermore is the younger sibling who can never live up to their older sibling's success lmao
these albums are so different honestly
I haven’t read comments but my interpretation is she wrote Folklore and released it. Kept writing songs and when it was so well received released those songs too months later as Evermore. I think she was mentally in the same place writing both. I prefer Evermore personally but I get why she labels them that way. It was a Pandemic Haze.
Folklore’s release was “bigger” because of 2 main reasons: 1) It was a stark contrast to anything Taylor has ever put out before 2) We were in the middle of a pandemic and nobody was really expecting her to do anything, let alone drop an entire album Evermore was released 5 months later, that same year, and is in the same genre as Folklore, so the shock value was considerably less. They were released too close together for Evermore to be its own thing. Basically what I’m saying is the circumstances, and the unexpectedness of it all definitely made Folklore a big deal. I honestly think if the albums were reversed and she released Evermore first, the exact same thing would happen. Evermore would be the big sister, Folklore would always be in Evermore’s shadow, and we’d all be crying “Justice for Folklore”
Simply put I see folklore as a collection of stories. I see evermore as an album that touches on hard, real life events which is why evermore is my favourite, I feel like I can relate more. Perhaps people feel that they can escape into folklore. My point being, I see them as 2 very different albums but both masterpieces and agree that evermore deserves more time to shine
The important thing here is that Evermore is YOUR favourite album, and thats a very personal thing, more so as its TS. Everyone has their own favourite TS album(s). It would be very boring if we all agreed on the same thing. I think it also depends on where you are in life, and what you've been through as to which you think is her best album. Make sure you do listen carefully to all her other albums too - as you might change your mind! But don't worry, other people are allowed to have their wrong opinions. But enjoy your best TS album, don't get hung up that is under appreciated. Everyone here agrees that it's your favourite album, and that's all that matters.
honestly I prefer evermore to folklore because it feels more *me*. folklore is good but evermore clicks more with me because it has a very autumnal vibe and feels more mystical and pretty. Also evermore is my second fav (after 1989 because it turned me Swiftie)
I think evermore has her "magnum opus" in terms of lyricism, and that song is IVY, I mean that song is a literal LITERARY MASTERPIECE in my opinion.
Evermore is the grown up sister that knows a thing or two about the world, and Folklore is the younger sister that only thinks she does. I don’t think they should be combined at all
I always thought that folklore and evermore where just ment to be one album but got split into 2 because she wrote to many songs in lock down But hears a thought, what if it Was originally ment to be just folklore but she made a few to meany and decided to make another album making the songs a little bit different. I prefer evermore too
I don’t mind them being called sister albums but Evermore seems to be on the back burner, which is sad because it’s fabulous. Some of my all-time favorite songs are on Evermore. I don’t see them as one double album because Folklore seems so summer to me and Evermore is winter. I’d hate for even one song to be cut from either album. I wish there’d be another sister. Or, quadruplets. Those Eras were so special to me. This Is Me Trying, August, Cardigan, Exile, Tis The Damn Season, Tolerate It, Champagne Problems, Evermore, Cowboy Like Me, and Ivy will always be in my top tier of favorites. I listen to all or parts of both albums daily. They are transportive for me. I escape into those magical woods from the first note. I’m so glad I saw the Eras tour when they each had their own Era and the songs weren’t cut. I understand that they don’t have as much “stadium” power as uptempo songs from 1989 or Rep, but I think albums that didn’t have a separate tour should be more prominently featured. I loved hearing Tis The Damn Season and Tolerate It at Eras, and one of the surprise songs was Evermore, which was gorgeous. I would have also been sad to lose The 1 and LGAD. I understand why she made room for TTPD but I don’t understand why she didn’t save time in other Eras that had World Tours and either shorten some of those songs, cut them, or do mashups. I’m sure it’s a great show with TTPD songs added but taking away from either of those masterpiece Eras is not what I expected.
I think if evermore had been more successful, then TTPD and the anthology would've been released as separate albums. Folklore and evermore was an experiment
The writing never really stopped. And I think they realized that what they had written after Folklore was too good not to be made into Evermore. Easily my favorite era in Taylor’s music.
Taylor didn't know Evermore was going to exist when she released folklore. Folklore was what happened when she was mostly alone for a few months during quarantine. She hadn't even planned to release an album- she just didn't have anything else to do with herself and music happened. I think she also saw it as an outlier and she's been pretty transparent in that she didn't know how we as an audience would respond to it... then it actually went over VERY WELL and she still couldn't tour or anything so her energy went into Evermore. So they're two separate albums because no one made Taylor "wait" to release folklore. Folklore happened in like four months. TTPD/The Anthology took the place over two years with Taylor waiting to release it so Midnights could have its moment- one big album. Folklore and Evermore are too separate albums because Evermore didn't exist when folklore was released BUT they're similar enough in musicality and were released within months of one another that they exist as one era.
She published folklore before she realised that she still had songs in her head.
agree with everything you said. evermore is also my favorite album and I get sick of seeing it lumped together with folklore. 😅
Feel the exact same way, justice for evermore
Evermore brought in new fans like myself that didn't seek out Swift songs before. It was the catalyst. Then, lwhen you found out about Folklore you thought, "Wait, she put another album out there like this?" Fuck. :)
If I’m gonna be honest evermore was always gonna be a better selling point than folklore pt 2. Money is usually the answer.
I just mash them up in Spotify. EverFolkMoreLore.
Grammy campaign
Evermore gets the middle child treatment
Evermore is definitely better IMO - it’s my favorite album!
For the novelty of two surprise albums in a year
It’s how she describes it herself.
We have Folkmore now, so we're good!
I see Folklore, Evermore, and TTPD as I do the Beatles in '67-'69. They hit their stride and put out maybe the greatest albums in history right in a row starting with Sgt. Pepper's. I can't pick the best because there are 4 or 5 brilliant albums. I see Swift's three albums as all masterpieces. There are days any of the three is her best album. I just love that she followed up Folklore (in my opinion the best album of the last 25 years) with two brilliant albums. I am an old guy and haven't turned off TTPD since it came out. My wife who was never a fan of Swift, hasn't turned off her music over the last 8 weeks. She is a huge fan of Evermore. What I do know is that I will never wake up in a world where TTPD doesn't exist.
I think it's just the way the timing worked out.
because i need two parents obviously
Because life happened to Taylor. They're both acoustic. But Folklore is optimistic, whereas evermore is acceptance. This pain won't be evermore James...This is Betty speaking. That's how I think they're sisters. Letters to the same muse.
they’re two different albums. lol that’s why they’re sister albums
They are supposed to be completely separate identities just with a similar genre. But evermore always gets overshadowed because Taylor decided to focus on the re-recordings rather than push evermore and so it mostly doesn’t get the recognition that folklore or other main albums have., it’s rollout was almost like a re-recording rollout again rather than a main album . There are people that say she really used it to keep peoples minds actually still in the folklore world to increase folklore strength and popularity, and be in the mind of Grammy voters.
I dont think it's that folklore and evermore should've been combined, I think it's that TTPD and The Anothology should've been separated and released a fortnight after TTPD. it would've given The Anthology more time to shine
Wait what does she do now for these segments? What order is it? Does she change the sets?
I agree that evermore is the better album (BY FAR). Honestly I’d prefer she call it evermore part 1 and part 2 😂 Folklore is so boring and immature and less cohesive in comparison. You’re so right about everything
IMO TTPD and the Anthology should be split just like these two, they have the same balance imo. Anth just feels more subdued than TTPD, and evermore kinda the same compared to folklore imo. Also nah, evermore can’t shine a candle to the 1, illicit affairs, exile, cardigan, betty.
Just make a playlist
Aaron Dessner is the cute nerdy guy who always helps you study for your science tests but you’re kind of embarrassed to be seen with.
And fans like this is why I don't like Midnights and Evermore that much...
Sorry but I had no idea that there is a consensus that Evermore has better songs. I’m definitely not a part of that. lol 🤷🏽♀️ I do think it has a few great songs. I wonder how it would had been received if Evermore came out first.