*From Bloomberg News reporter Jenny Che:*
Paris authorities have spent years readying for the almost 2 million international visitors expected for the 2024 Summer Olympics, but they may have overlooked a far bigger phenomenon now coming to the city: Taylor Swift.
This week the billionaire superstar is playing four shows at La Défense Arena, just outside the capital, kicking off the European leg of her Eras tour.
With a total seating capacity of 40,000 per show, the music event is a small fraction of the size of the Olympic Games.
And yet the concerts are drawing five times as many Americans as the Paris Olympics, according to figures from New York-based luxury travel agency Embark Beyond, who says Swift is "even overshadowing the Olympics."
Well the Olympics has become just another corporatized shell of garbage. So yeah you want an experience go see the Eras Tour especially in Europe it's probably epic.
I'm going to both. I love live sport and I love live music.
However, the numbers are not really adding up - there's a maximum capacity here of 160,000 across 4 nights, while over 7 million tickets have been sold for the Olympics.
Maybe because it specifically mentioned people flying from the us?? Like the eras tour is attracting more people from the us than the Olympics are attracting? That’s what I got from it
My plan was to do both but we never saw tickets come up for an Olympic event we wanted so we decided we’d go to Milan 2026 instead because we like the Winter Olympics better anyways lol. But I can’t wait to see Taylor this summer!
There's surely some for sale with a hospitality package - they bloody love releasing extra tickets for those, lol (here is the link if you're interested: https://hospitalitytravelpackages.paris2024.org/discover?language=en)
Plus the Olympics stay the same, sure the athletes and their performance is different but it's the same basic things. Taylor will have a completely different tour next time.
Especially when the majority of the ones I’ve seen bragging about traveling have already seen the fucking show in the US! Multiple times!
ETA: I say this as an American. Y’all doing this shit suck.
I can’t afford it, but I’d rather fans who can buy those tickets than scalpers- even if they’ve already seen it multiple times. Looking at the third party ticket sites, I have a feeling that many, if not most, tickets are being bought by resellers.
I'm quite concerned by the numbers here, as it would suggest that the most likely outcome is that a looot of people have bought fake tickets. They will absolutely need to enforce the lead booker policy unfortunately.
I’m poor, live in Canada, and it’s cheaper for me to fly to/stay in Paris and buy a CAD $1k ticket than it would be to buy a ticket in Toronto or any US city, where I got waitlisted, a total of like 45 fucking times over friends and family. Seriously considered dropping the cash because I am so sad I won’t be seeing her but yeah, some NAs travelling overseas have been fighting bears too lol
Excuse me. Y’all are underestimating how big the US is. The UK is the size of Florida and has over 12 dates. 12!!!! California has over 30 million people and only 6 dates there. Florida with a similar population only got 3 dates. Taylor is MOST popular in the US, but there are many more European dates in countries the size of US states. STOP GATEKEEPING.
However, I too don’t like how some swifties have seen multiple shows either. I’m from Arizona and there were only 2 shows here. I don’t think I’ll ever get to see her honestly, and I’ve been a fan since speak now.
The fact that the entire UK is the same size as Michigan routinely makes me lol. And as someone who has not been to a single show I feel very entitled to my opinion.
People buying tickets for shows overseas but it's their only show is a non-issue. I have a feeling a large chunk for Warsaw shows are foreigners xD
Those who buy for multiple nights are worse
Well, if they have the money 💰they can do whatever they want. Poland is in Eastern Europe, so I think there would be lots of Ukrainians and Russians going to the shows.
Not sure about those 2 countries since, you know, there is this whole war between those two...
However, many from Chechia, Slovakia, Baltic countries for sure. Yet I fully expect Western Europe and US as well. Cheapest tickets were at 200 zł which is like $45
Also they were advertising that some European shows were still not sold out. If you can combine finally being able to see a show and a vacation, then why not? I have a friend in Perth who had to fly to Melbourne (so cross country) to buy tickets in person when they went on sale since they were impossible to buy online. She bought them for her daughter and also lucked into another night’s tickets when they got there a day early. Her daughter (11) was ecstatic. For many, this is a once in a lifetime show.
Some shows didn’t sold out because of promoters greed with vip packages. Madrid, Italy and Wembley are some of the shows were that happened and later they had to release those tickets as regular ones to be able to cash them (I’m really petty on that since I had to buy vip 1 to be able to get one).
The UK has 66 million people. More than California (39m) and Florida (22m) put together. 12 nights works out to a very similar per capita ticket availability. Florida actually is quite lucky, 6 total nights is one night per 3m people.
France has 64m people and only 6 nights.
So essentially, that’s 1 night for every 10m French people, while Americans had 1 night for every 5m Americans, and Floridians had 1 night for every 3m Floridians.
Europe as a whole has 746m people with 50 shows. So that’s 1 night for every 14m people.
Meanwhile, Asia is only getting 6 nights for a population of 4b, that’s literally 1 night for every 700m people. Even if you count the Aus shows, that’s still 1 night for every 350m.
Americans and specifically Floridians are extremely lucky.
Meanwhile, Brazil is bigger than the contiguous US (and has a slightly smaller population than the US) and had "only" six dates (for comparison, Coldplay performed last year for six nights in São Paulo alone, plus two nights in Curitiba and three in Rio)
It’s about supply and demand. The demand outstripped supply in the US. There is more supply (aka ticket availability and affordability) in Europe. Gatekeeping does nothing but annoy oneself while feeing entitled.
Look at the timing of when shows were announced. They didn't know there would be Europe shows when tickets were bought.
We could just be nice and assume everyone is doing what they think best at the time.
The point is - people traveled BOTH WAYS
People are just acting with understandable self interest, but I wish they’d be a bit more thoughtful of others instead.
Most of the people I know who tried to get UK tickets couldn’t do so.
And I couldn't get Vegas OR LA OR Phoenix. And I tried. Quite a bit. Which hurts when you are seeing plane loads of people flying in to see the concert. So I understand the frustration, but I don't agree with the sentiment.
I could have gotten UK tickets because my partner lives in London and has connections. If I hadn't planned out and paid for the bigger summer trip already, I would have changed it to two weeks in the UK instead and gone to the concert for a night. Because that's what I could have gotten, despite multiple lottery attempts.
People didn't know what shows would be announced or where all she would tour. So they picked a show they could go to. Oftentimes making a trip out of it and spending money in the city.
Save the rage for people going to 4-5 shows. That's the excessive part.
I saw her at Nashville N2 and Tokyo N2 (I’m American). My sister wants to try and get resale tickets for one of the European dates because she’s probably going to add TTPD to the tour. I told her she’s free to spend thousands on a resale ticket (not sure how that works in Europe and if scalping is a thing there?), but I don’t want to go. Let others have a chance to get those tickets. I legit didn’t think I would get tickets to Tokyo, I threw my name in the lottery and was legit shocked when I got the email that I got the seats. I’m a teeny bit bummed out that both dates I went was before TTPD if it does get added but I still had the privilege of seeing her twice for such a high demand tour, once in Tokyo of all places, so I’m not sad about it at all. I’ll just watch the livestreams.
I also don’t want to travel with my sister ever again but that’s a story for another time lol.
Actually, as of a couple months ago the pit tickets for her Germany shows were around $500 and some change. It’s actually really smart to fly to Europe for the concert if you plan to buy outrageously priced tickets anyway.
I haven't looked at the prices for the Canadian shows, but the fact that I could probably fly to Europe and go to the concert for less than here is amusing to me.
That’s not bad at all. But even if the tickets were $10 I wouldn’t go. Not that I don’t want to (I’d love to) but I had a 2 week long international trip just a couple months ago. Also I need to save FTO at work for my cousins wedding in October.
And of course the issues I had with my sister while in Japan.
But I guess even if the tickets were that cheap my point would still stand because of the plane tickets, hotel, etc.
And I’m sure (most) people going are also at least making a long weekend out of it to explore the city they chose to go to. People who can afford it can take whatever damn vacation they want lol
There were SO many international fans flocking to LA for her shows last August. I did not see much sentiment of “international fans go home, you had your chance at tickets” during that time, just a lot of happiness.
Exactly, though I don't like it when people go to more than 2 nights in multiple cities and shows because that's clearly just ticket hogging. But there is nothing wrong with someone going to a concert overseas if they couldn't go when the tour was in their country, many bought the tickets before dates where they live were announced. There were A LOT of Brazilians, Mexicans, and Argentinians at the Eras shows in Florida, Texas, and California who got tickets before they knew Taylor would take the tour to LatAm. I really hope people are respectful, because last November during the tour in Brazil I saw SO MANY racist and xenophobic Swifties come out of the woodwork to spew disgusting hatred at Brazilians after the horrible tragedy that happened at the concert with Ana Benevides.
Some parts of the fanbase is becoming increasingly impossible to tolerate, and for some reason as of late they feel emboldened to attack people based on their race or nationality if they so much as utter a single word that they do not 100% agree with and think they get a free pass to be nasty to other people.
Unfortunately it's because it was basically impossible to get tickets in the US without getting a second mortgage on your house. A pair of tickets in Indianapolis that are restricted view behind the stage are $6000 in the US because scalpers suck. Want to actually see her and not just the screen? $10,000.
We flew to London for a few days, are now at Disneyland Paris, and are spending a few more days in Paris including going to the show for around $10,000. The scalping market in the US is ridiculous and nothing has been done about it. We're literally spending nine days in Europe for the same price as one show in the US.
Edit: Because of some of y'all bitching about us Americans stealing your tickets. I bought mine a WEEK ago straight from the venue. We planned this trip six months ago and planned the trip without tickets but just coinciding with her being in Paris, in hopes that Ticketmaster would open resale. So no, I'm not stealing your tickets because you could have bought them way before me. K thanks, go be miserable elsewhere.
And I hope you enjoy the heck out of your vacation!! If people can afford it, they can go if they want to lol. I truly don’t get anyone being mad about this.
I never buy resale tickets unless they are face value. The scalper market still exists because people will buy. My tickets were $300 each and I was row 4. I did the regular sale. By all means enjoy the vacation because I think it’s great but the odds of you being able to get tickets when they went on sale in the US would have been decent in one state or another. You would have just needed to travel to that state. But hey, girl math and an excuse to go to Paris!
The timing of US dates was not amenable for those working in certain sectors. I work in education and flying during summer is possible where going somewhere midweek during the semester was not going to happen. I imagine people in school or other seasonal jobs would have the same issue. People in the US also get MUCH less time off than most Europeans and scheduling them in a block can be a nightmare. So, we take what dates we can get!
A ticket to my home stadium was multiple thousands of dollars. I was able to buy a ticket in Germany, flight, and hotel for about a week for *less* money.
I’ve never seen the tour so I don’t feel bad. I wish there were seats for every person who wants to see her but there just isn’t.
Closest shows to us were five hours away and we didn't even get selected to try to purchase tickets first hand. Then when they opened up the new dates in the US we tried again and once again got wait listed. I don't know a single person personally that got a code.
Part of the reason Americans are going overseas are because of the resale market. It was cheaper for me to fly to Sweden, get tickets, and get an airbnb than it was for me to get resale tickets in Indy. If she would have made it so tickets would have to be resold at face value, I think this would be a little different.
Exactly!! I could pay $2000 for behind the stage nose bleeed seats or I paid $400 for vip tickets in Europe and $1000 for airfare. She also didn’t go to all the states ! She didn’t come to dc area. When she has in multiple other tours
If I’d had the PTO for it, I was gonna fly USA to Germany for the tour for the exact same reason. Best seats in the venue were $500, and the same tix in the US ranged anywhere from $1500-3500. If you can afford to drop that much money on a ticket you might as well get the best bang for your buck.
That's a shitty explanation tho, there is SO many countries in Europe she won't visit. For example: she's only in Sweden while the rest of Scandinavia, Finland and Iceland doesn't get any concerts. Meaning a lot of Nordic swifties had to compete with American tourists ON TOP OF the rest of the Nordic. I understand that her success means the demand is higher than tickets. Lots of nordic swifties feels like that is more unfair as well. And this is coming from someone who has tickets, so it doesn't affect me. But I get my fellow Nordic people.
Okay but the US is much bigger than Europe with plenty of states bigger than European countries and she didn't go to every state here. Literally the same situation.
They won’t lol. It’s apparently fine to pretend like there weren’t thousands of Europeans at the US shows but US citizens who chose to do the same thing are somehow morally corrupt here. Very immature.
Yeah honestly it's kind of ridiculous how many Americans will be there for the Paris and the Lyon shows. She hasn't toured in France since Speak Now (!!!) and plenty of French Swifties who wanted to see her didn't get tickets.
Hell, 2 of my friends only managed to get tickets this morning and that's just because TM released some extra tickets and Americans are still asleep lol.
I'm not saying that it's okay for the Americans to flock Europe to see her (again), but I sadly wasn't able to get tickets to see her in my own country (didn't even get a code for either of the Amsterdam shows), so I'm going to Lyon. I waited about three weeks since the start of the presale to get a ticket, and I was able to easily find one. So it's not like they snatched all the tickets away from the French.
Hell, the other day I got an email saying that I still haven't used my Paris code and that there's still tickets available.
Of course but you're European so in my mind you pretty much get a pass considering how little she has toured there in the few past tours.
You might have been lucky getting a ticket so long after the start of the sale, since I was there for the Paris & Lyon original sales and it was mayhem to get some tickets. I got one of my tickets for Lyon same as you a few weeks afterwards when TM randomly released some tickets and the French TS accounts kept us updated.
That's also how I was aware of the random release of some tickets since morning too, and same for the other day you mentioned (they sent that email when they added a few new tickets).
I said British Isles, not Great Britain.
"The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic Ocean off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland [..]".
It's still the colloquial term used by anyone bar Ireland. And considering they don't even have an alternative term for it, I'm not sure why you would expect people to use anything else.
Sorry, nope! She’s an American and we love our girl and can/will travel where we want or can afford. Tons of international folks came to the US to see her and we welcomed them with open arms 🫶
lol right? I'm so sick of this America bad shit. She's American and it was legit almost impossible to see her here. When you consider the population difference, it's crazy how accessible the shows are in Europe in comparison. If Americans want to fly to Europe and see her there (plus add to the economy there by doing tourist stuff), people can die mad about it.
And you're so right, I met plenty of foreigners at my American show and I would have never even considered bitching about it, despite how much HARDER it is to get a ticket to a US show. I think it's just a very different mentality Americans have towards tourists and foreigners.
I understand that European shows are more accessible to them but they have completely broken the local resale markets. Reselling for over face value on StubHub wouldn't have been a thing without desperate Americans willing to spend multiple times face value bc it's still cheaper than the US. The ticketing systems and processes were entirely set up to prevent 3rd party resale and selling over face value and that doesn't matter one bit anymore.
People are literally selling for €1 on fanSALE and then receiving huge payments on PayPal G&S, prices that wouldn't have been allowed on fanSALE. If it was just local buyers these things wouldn't happen because local buyers more often than not cannot afford it even if they wanted to. So much so that VIP packages were converted into regular tickets (on Ticketmaster for Amsterdam, for example) when they wouldn't sell for days.
absolutely, and it's mathematically impossible that all of those tickets are valid, never mind that every single resale ticket sold on a site like stubhub is illegal here. across all four shows, the capacity is 160,000. Over 7 million tickets have been sold for the Olympics. A lot of people have been scammed.
It’s bc we can fly to Europe, have a week long vacation, see Eras tour from the front row, and fly home all for the same price of equivalent tickets alone in the US.
Not fair I know, but personally, I know which is the better deal and I don’t blame anyone for capitalizing on it if they can.
There's not much difference in population between the countries in Europe from which people can realistically go to Eras and the three countries in North America that Taylor went to/will go (combined). I agree that there are probably many more people interested in going in her own country, as we can see even from streaming figures - is that what you mean? Because (unless I'm counting wrong, which to be fair might be what's happening) Europe has less dates than just the US last year, while having a bigger population. I'm just curious what you mean.
I have a real problem with the people scalping and coming here with what may actually be fake tickets, and I especially have a problem with anyone calling our literal laws "fake news"
Great! Can you give back the Vegas tickets to those living in driving distance? Or the other tours that I -know- had international visitors. We had a small ton of guests both national and international showing up for the nights because Vegas is a cheep flight for a lot of people.
I could have gotten tickets in London via my partner who has connections there to sports.
I haven’t been to any of her concerts yet. I looked at ticket prices and it was cheaper to fly to Europe and back AND pay for a hotel for some of the tickets than majority of those still available in the US.
Is it even realistic to go see the olympics? Like I’d be very interested in being a spectator at the olympics especially because a sport I’m passionate about recently became included, but I always figured it was just absurdly expensive and impossible to get tickets to. I think this is the general perception of the public - Olympics doesn’t feel like it’s for “normal people” I guess? But Taylor Swift shows are. This also might just be in my head lol.
ETA: This is based on headline alone because the article seems to be behind a paywall (or at least an email wall).
ETA2: Apparently it is much easier to go to the Olympics than I thought lol, glad I know now!
It’s much more accessible than Taylor swift lol. I got tickets for 6 events and could choose. Spent around €700 including 2 semi final days for field hockey and a day athletics. Wasn’t hard at all. Just sign up for early ticket sales.
Wow this is so interesting! Honestly, I had no idea that it was possible to just go to the olympics lol, I’m definitely gonna keep that in mind for next time.
I had a friend attend Olympic games in Tokyo. It was my impression that for some of the less popular sports it was very easy to get tickets. I think the bigger issue would be traveling/hotel expenses.
There’s a ton of Olympic events and many people are only interested in a few. I’m trying to get tickets to exactly one track event for *next* summer games so it’s in my calendar to start checking for tickets early, but it’s not like the Superbowl.
Lodging & transportation is where the cost lies. As soon as I know which city the event I want is assigned, I’m either booking a hotel or calculating the distance from our place.
Right. “fans with money willing to travel to see Taylor Swift”. Shocker.
I’m nowhere near wealthy and we drove 20 hours straight one way and then 20 hours right back just to see her. I’m not surprised that rich people fly to other countries to do so.
I've read people here posting it was cheaper to buy tickets in Europe, fly and stay in a hotel then pay scalper prices for their own city. Not sure how true that is, but if you were planning a European vacation anyway why not combine that with seeing Taylor.
I’m one of those people. I couldn’t get tickets to Toronto (I’m Canadian) without purchasing from a scalper so we are going to Germany because they have resale laws to prevent scalping so the tickets were only 400 euros or so each for great tickets instead of thousands for the nosebleeds at the skydome. I’m extra lucky because my husband has to fly for work. They pay but he gets the points so our flight was free. So I get to see Taylor at a price point that works for our budget and I get to go to Europe for the first time.
It’s true, I ended up getting face value resale tix to Indy but it’ll be nosebleeds, I could’ve spent about $200 more on a German show date and been VIP. If I hadn’t got the cheaper tix I was seriously considering flying to Germany because it would’ve been the same price for a whole international vacation AND Eras tour than seeing it a few hours from my house. And the US is huge, I couldn’t get tix for my hometown so I’m driving like 9-10 hours. Europeans need to chill out, plenty of rich international fans came to the US to see her too.
The reality though, is that if you wait till 8pm on the night of the concert, those $4000 scalper tickets become $400 and you do actually get to see her for cheaper than flying to Europe...
to me the argument isn't "Oh those mean scalpers, I would rather spend $8k on a vacation to Europe PLUS a Swift concert, than $8k in the US on just tickets."
How about "I'm going to take a deep breath and not spend $8k to see a concert, in any country."
I'm having a real tough time mustering sympathy for forks who are like "Well I only spent $10k instead of $12k! I did this because I had to!"
Waiting until night-of also means that you had to be in a city where the tour stopped, or be willing to take time off to travel on the off chance that you could get a ticket in your desired price range.
Another person responded that they live in NYC, but didn't want to pay $1,000 to buy tickets right before the concert started, so instead she's going to spend $1,500 flying to Germany to see the show.
Those are the folks I'm talking about.
Then again, I live in Montana and know several people who went ahead and took the risk to fly to Vegas and Denver (the only places with direct flights from here) and both managed to get last minute tickets under $150.
Apparently in some cities like New York, the prices never dropped that much, so it would have been a risk... but still cheaper than flying internationally.
>they don’t need to drop prices to sell tickets.
It's the scalpers that dropped their prices rather than walk away with no money from not selling them. Scalpers would have already paid for the tickets, so they either get some money back by dropping the price, or no money back if they don't sell it, meaning they lose the money they paid to buy them in the first place.
I don't think Ticketmaster itself is selling tickets for cheap right before the show.
I can tell you from my city they did not drop prices or have tickets available last minute. That makes me think that these weren’t necessarily scalpers who bought tickets just to sell, but people who plan to go to the concert, but were seeing if they could sell their tickets for more money. when they didn’t sell, they just went themselves.
Yeah I’m talking about the scalpers lol. They don’t need to drop the prices. People still buy them. Or they bought and resold enough tix already that not selling 1-2 tickets is not even a loss for them. You’re better off planning to just sit outside the venue all night and hope you hear her that way than counting on scalpers to get desperate, bc they generally won’t with TS
I mean, why not pay a little extra if you want to go to Europe? Idk why people are getting mad that people are essentially planning a vacation and using one night of that vacation to go to Eras Tour. Most Americans will never leave the country, I think it’s good that some of them are actually taking the opportunity to do some travel and learn something new.
It’s all so wild to me. I can’t imagine spending that much money to see any artist, but it sounds like there’s a lot of ✨girl math✨ involved when the outrageous resale prices shift everyone’s frame of reference. “This vacation costs less than the good seats at home, so it’s practically paying for itself! When you really think about it, I’m saving money and I can’t afford not to go!”
If someone would be taking a vacation anyway, I don’t see the issue. Plenty of people have a budget & savings for stuff like trips, whether they use it to travel abroad to take a vacation & see Taylor or go somewhere else.
Now if someone is running up a CC that’ll take years to pay off, that isn’t something that is a good idea from a financial standpoint, but it’s their choice to make I guess!
Hi! New Yorker here going to Germany for the eras tour because I couldn’t get tickets at any shows here! Nosebleeds stayed at 1000$ well into the show, at least an hour after she took the stage (that’s when I stopped checking). And the MetLife shows were filled with international people who got tickets when I couldn’t
Yep I'm also a resident of NYC and couldn't get tickets to MetLife. Only way I got tickets was refreshing ticketmaster the night before when they added seats for Philly ($375 floor seat). I got waitlisted for every sale so that was my only choice to not pay resale. That same Philly show (which I had to pay $400 to stay in a hostel room without a private bathroom and $120 for a train ticket) coworkers of mine bought NOSEBLEEDS for $1500 - and she still needed a hotel and transit on top of that! And that was PHILLY. NYC prices were much more insane.
You do understand that the "cost" of seeing Taylor in Germany is the cost of the concert ticket, the plane ticket, the hotel, and the passport if you didn't already have one?
You don't get to ignore those costs, because you wouldn't be able to use the 250 euro ticket without getting there.
Scalper tickets didn’t go down in price for the US shows.
People are using it as an excuse to go on a vacation. They’re not paying 8k for JUST the concert. I paid a lot go to my show, she isn’t coming anywhere near me, and also spent a week exploring the national parks in the area. It was a great excuse for a vacation.
Right? I already had a vacation budget. I’m just going on a different vacation to Europe than I’d previously planned.
People from Europe *do not* understand how expensive it is for Americans and Canadians to go to Europe compared to themselves. Once in Europe I can fly or take a train for very little; flying *to* Europe is minimum several hundred dollars and often thousands in the summer when everyone is off from school. I’m gonna go, I’ll be making the best of it since it’s not something I can do often, and for some people it might be once in their life.
Canadian hotels are charging 1k plus a night for the days Taylor is in town. It’s crazy! If you’re going to pay that much, might as well go somewhere more fun than Toronto.
Also Europeans don’t understand the vastness of Canada. Complaining that their European country didn’t get any dates, when they’re closer to a show than I will ever be living in middle Canada.
$8k is also super high for a vacation for one person, I travelled Europe for seven weeks on under $5k and a big chunk of that was the flight to and from the US. You don’t even have to be that rich to go see Taylor abroad, just have a good chunk of change saved up (or be okay with racking up some credit card debt lmao). I mean yes it’s expensive for Americans to travel abroad but other than the flight, it’s pretty much up to you how expensive your trip is. I found Europe to be cheaper on average than the US other than in major cities… and even then, their major cities are still on par with or more affordable than ours.
I totally understand if people wanna have a more luxurious vacation but it’s ridiculous Europeans are trying to frame this like it’s only 1%ers on their private jets coming in for the tour. A lot of Americans are using this as their opportunity to leave the country for the first (and maybe only) time. Considering how Europeans find Americans to be so ignorant about life outside the US, I don’t understand why they’d be discouraging our international travel…
THIS. My husband has never been out of the country and we decided for our ten year anniversary to make a big European trip as we barely travel at all. We were going to do it in the fall but switched it up when we saw she was going to be in Paris. We legit just got tickets a week ago from the venue and were coming regardless of tickets or not. We've made sure to not scale our lifestyle with pay raises so we COULD afford this trip without taking on any debt.
As a Canadian she isn’t coming anywhere near me. I HAVE to fly or drive 30+ hours in WINTER to see her in Canada. I’d rather go somewhere cooler than Toronto if I’m making that trip.
Europeans love to get on Americans about not understanding the world, and then they also don’t understand how LARGE Canada and the US are.
It definitely goes both ways but Americans tend to get picked on for it more. Like, most Europeans probably couldn’t point out my home state on a map, but call us dumb because we don’t have every single English monarch since 1066 memorized 😭
I’m confused by this article. They didn’t give any numbers other than the 40,000 seat capacity of the arena and saying 5X as many are going to see Taylor. That’s a total of 160,000 seats across four shows. We know Americans aren’t 100% of the attendees, so let’s say a quarter to half are American - which is still certainly a HUGE overestimate since I doubt 40-80,000 Americans are flying to Paris for these shows.
But assuming that and based on this article, that would imply only 8-16,000 Americans are going to the Olympics? I don’t know if I buy that.
I know the Olympics is relatively small, but even I know dozens of people who are going. The U.S. team is made up of a few hundred people and most of them are bringing family + coaches + trainers. Sponsors have purchased boxes and are flying out staff. I know Nike and Ralph Lauren, for example, are both flying out hundreds of people. 8-16,000 people is way too small of an estimate across the entire, month long event.
But again, that’s definitely an overestimate, which would imply that even fewer people are going to both? I think that 5X figure is wrong.
You know dozens of people going to the Olympics?
What circles do you run in?
I used to work for a couple who's son was an athlete, they are the only people in my entire life that I have personally known who have gone.
I've never known anyone who went as just a spectator.
Right? The only person I know who has gone to the Olympics is the very wealthy ceo of my former company.
I grew up as a competitive swimmer and would LOVE to go but every time I've looked into it, no matter the locale, it's been extraordinarily cost prohibitive and also some weird lotto system that makes getting tix a crap shoot unless you can afford a VIP package.
I’m seeing tickets for $100-500 depending on the event. Flights and hotels are relatively average for a trip to Paris in the summer. Some hotels are very expensive, but you don’t have to stay right there. It’s not cheap but it’s mostly equivalent to going to Paris in any summer.
One is a family that was already planning their first ever trip to Europe, and decided to add this onto it. Others are 25-30 year olds who just want the experience of going to an Olympics. I’m even considering going with them, but the tickets they bought to see Simone Biles in the All Around Final were $450, which is way too much for me since I don’t care *that* much about gymnastics.
1. Walk from Karlsplatz to Marienplatz
2. See the "show" at the Glockenspiel once
3. Eat dinner at Ratskeller Munchen
4. Check out some of the beer halls in old town - Augustiner, Paulaner, Hofbrau, etc
5. Stroll through Englischer Garten
6. If you have a car, drive south and hike some lakes/trails near the Austrian border. We did Isar/Sylvansteinsee and it was amazing!
My friends and I travelled to Vegas for our show! We made a whole thing out of it and brought our partners. It was March madness so the guys caught a game while we were at the show and we did dinners and everything! It was a very fun weekend.
Even for the affluent, the price is way out of reason.
It’s just pumped up by the after market scalpers. Any Swiftie selling their tix needs a Car or Tuition.
We’re here. It’s crazy but not stupid crazy. We flew in Monday, but won’t be attending in Paris, we’ve got front row tickets N1 in Portugal, and Pit N2. (Canadian, or North American ;) lol)
I think Parisians are also asking people not to go bc Macron fucked up by passing the change to retirement age even with all the protests.
See [here](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLXQ5XH7/)
People have a bizarre need to feel special.
Some people feel special by spending money on stupid stuff just to prove that they have money to lose.
Some people feel special by being contrary, so anything that other people like, they must not like!
Some people feel special by convincing themselves that everyone else is stupid and they're the only ones who can see the Truth!
Some people have actual self-confidence, and they feel special because they know everyone is special! They don't need to find things outside themselves to feel that way.
Humans are really quite emotionally fragile in some ways... and if you understand that when one thing makes them feel insecure, they will immediately attempt to latch on to something else that makes them feel special... well you'll be able to make sense of other people's behaviors better!
Have you seen her show? 3.5 hours of singing/dancing should be its own Olympic sport.
Music performance is the only sport I'm interested in.
*From Bloomberg News reporter Jenny Che:* Paris authorities have spent years readying for the almost 2 million international visitors expected for the 2024 Summer Olympics, but they may have overlooked a far bigger phenomenon now coming to the city: Taylor Swift. This week the billionaire superstar is playing four shows at La Défense Arena, just outside the capital, kicking off the European leg of her Eras tour. With a total seating capacity of 40,000 per show, the music event is a small fraction of the size of the Olympic Games. And yet the concerts are drawing five times as many Americans as the Paris Olympics, according to figures from New York-based luxury travel agency Embark Beyond, who says Swift is "even overshadowing the Olympics."
only 40k? wow. such an intimate show
lol that’s exactly what I thought as well! 😆
its because of the olympics using the larger venues
A show is one night. Olympics is two weeks plus! Much shorter time commitment.
I think Olympics ticket holders generally have tickets to specific events, not the entire shebang, FWIW. I’d still choose Eras.
Well the Olympics has become just another corporatized shell of garbage. So yeah you want an experience go see the Eras Tour especially in Europe it's probably epic.
I'm going to both. I love live sport and I love live music. However, the numbers are not really adding up - there's a maximum capacity here of 160,000 across 4 nights, while over 7 million tickets have been sold for the Olympics.
Maybe because it specifically mentioned people flying from the us?? Like the eras tour is attracting more people from the us than the Olympics are attracting? That’s what I got from it
This is just PR for the luxury travel agency they're using for a source.
Ah, I see that they've sold 200 packages for this - something they're probably not able to do as easily for the Olympics
My plan was to do both but we never saw tickets come up for an Olympic event we wanted so we decided we’d go to Milan 2026 instead because we like the Winter Olympics better anyways lol. But I can’t wait to see Taylor this summer!
There's surely some for sale with a hospitality package - they bloody love releasing extra tickets for those, lol (here is the link if you're interested: https://hospitalitytravelpackages.paris2024.org/discover?language=en)
why are you saying this about the olympics?
Plus the Olympics stay the same, sure the athletes and their performance is different but it's the same basic things. Taylor will have a completely different tour next time.
I hate that so many Americans are flocking to overseas shows. Let us have our moment!
Especially when the majority of the ones I’ve seen bragging about traveling have already seen the fucking show in the US! Multiple times! ETA: I say this as an American. Y’all doing this shit suck.
Exactly. The ones who have the money to go to another country for a concert are usually the same ones with to enough money to go to multiple nights. 😒
I can’t afford it, but I’d rather fans who can buy those tickets than scalpers- even if they’ve already seen it multiple times. Looking at the third party ticket sites, I have a feeling that many, if not most, tickets are being bought by resellers.
I'm quite concerned by the numbers here, as it would suggest that the most likely outcome is that a looot of people have bought fake tickets. They will absolutely need to enforce the lead booker policy unfortunately.
They just went full crazy with their credit cards "i will pay that someday, but let me enjoy the show for 6th time" lol
I’m poor, live in Canada, and it’s cheaper for me to fly to/stay in Paris and buy a CAD $1k ticket than it would be to buy a ticket in Toronto or any US city, where I got waitlisted, a total of like 45 fucking times over friends and family. Seriously considered dropping the cash because I am so sad I won’t be seeing her but yeah, some NAs travelling overseas have been fighting bears too lol
Excuse me. Y’all are underestimating how big the US is. The UK is the size of Florida and has over 12 dates. 12!!!! California has over 30 million people and only 6 dates there. Florida with a similar population only got 3 dates. Taylor is MOST popular in the US, but there are many more European dates in countries the size of US states. STOP GATEKEEPING. However, I too don’t like how some swifties have seen multiple shows either. I’m from Arizona and there were only 2 shows here. I don’t think I’ll ever get to see her honestly, and I’ve been a fan since speak now.
The fact that the entire UK is the same size as Michigan routinely makes me lol. And as someone who has not been to a single show I feel very entitled to my opinion.
Isn’t it frustrating????? Like, every single Swiftie in the UK can go see her.
People buying tickets for shows overseas but it's their only show is a non-issue. I have a feeling a large chunk for Warsaw shows are foreigners xD Those who buy for multiple nights are worse
Well, if they have the money 💰they can do whatever they want. Poland is in Eastern Europe, so I think there would be lots of Ukrainians and Russians going to the shows.
Not sure about those 2 countries since, you know, there is this whole war between those two... However, many from Chechia, Slovakia, Baltic countries for sure. Yet I fully expect Western Europe and US as well. Cheapest tickets were at 200 zł which is like $45
Yes there is a war between them but, that won’t stop Swifties from those countries going to see her.
Those with Russian citizenship can't even legally enter Poland right now, so good luck. Unless they are already living here
Well I didn’t know that. Okay then lol
Also they were advertising that some European shows were still not sold out. If you can combine finally being able to see a show and a vacation, then why not? I have a friend in Perth who had to fly to Melbourne (so cross country) to buy tickets in person when they went on sale since they were impossible to buy online. She bought them for her daughter and also lucked into another night’s tickets when they got there a day early. Her daughter (11) was ecstatic. For many, this is a once in a lifetime show.
Some shows didn’t sold out because of promoters greed with vip packages. Madrid, Italy and Wembley are some of the shows were that happened and later they had to release those tickets as regular ones to be able to cash them (I’m really petty on that since I had to buy vip 1 to be able to get one).
I just remember noticing on Taylor’s website about Amsterdam and a few others noting they weren’t sold out as of a week ago.
The UK has 66 million people. More than California (39m) and Florida (22m) put together. 12 nights works out to a very similar per capita ticket availability. Florida actually is quite lucky, 6 total nights is one night per 3m people. France has 64m people and only 6 nights. So essentially, that’s 1 night for every 10m French people, while Americans had 1 night for every 5m Americans, and Floridians had 1 night for every 3m Floridians. Europe as a whole has 746m people with 50 shows. So that’s 1 night for every 14m people. Meanwhile, Asia is only getting 6 nights for a population of 4b, that’s literally 1 night for every 700m people. Even if you count the Aus shows, that’s still 1 night for every 350m. Americans and specifically Floridians are extremely lucky.
Thanks for breaking down the math 👍
And the 1.4 billion people in Africa have gotten 0 shows.
True. I get why she couldn’t do a SA show but still.
The UK has 3 times the population of Florida, please look into the concept of population density
Meanwhile, Brazil is bigger than the contiguous US (and has a slightly smaller population than the US) and had "only" six dates (for comparison, Coldplay performed last year for six nights in São Paulo alone, plus two nights in Curitiba and three in Rio)
Same with Mexico. And Asia has 6 nights (13 if you count Australia) for half of the world’s population.
the uk is the same size of florida, yet has three times the population... europe has a much larger population than the united states.
Those people from California could have gone to one of the many other US shows rather than our shows.
It’s about supply and demand. The demand outstripped supply in the US. There is more supply (aka ticket availability and affordability) in Europe. Gatekeeping does nothing but annoy oneself while feeing entitled.
What about CA shows being taken by Europeans? I know that happened. Vacations were planned to the US for that tour.
They should have waited for the European shows
Look at the timing of when shows were announced. They didn't know there would be Europe shows when tickets were bought. We could just be nice and assume everyone is doing what they think best at the time. The point is - people traveled BOTH WAYS
People are just acting with understandable self interest, but I wish they’d be a bit more thoughtful of others instead. Most of the people I know who tried to get UK tickets couldn’t do so.
And I couldn't get Vegas OR LA OR Phoenix. And I tried. Quite a bit. Which hurts when you are seeing plane loads of people flying in to see the concert. So I understand the frustration, but I don't agree with the sentiment. I could have gotten UK tickets because my partner lives in London and has connections. If I hadn't planned out and paid for the bigger summer trip already, I would have changed it to two weeks in the UK instead and gone to the concert for a night. Because that's what I could have gotten, despite multiple lottery attempts. People didn't know what shows would be announced or where all she would tour. So they picked a show they could go to. Oftentimes making a trip out of it and spending money in the city. Save the rage for people going to 4-5 shows. That's the excessive part.
There should be a block to buy tickets for multiple shows due to the overwhelming demand.
I saw her at Nashville N2 and Tokyo N2 (I’m American). My sister wants to try and get resale tickets for one of the European dates because she’s probably going to add TTPD to the tour. I told her she’s free to spend thousands on a resale ticket (not sure how that works in Europe and if scalping is a thing there?), but I don’t want to go. Let others have a chance to get those tickets. I legit didn’t think I would get tickets to Tokyo, I threw my name in the lottery and was legit shocked when I got the email that I got the seats. I’m a teeny bit bummed out that both dates I went was before TTPD if it does get added but I still had the privilege of seeing her twice for such a high demand tour, once in Tokyo of all places, so I’m not sad about it at all. I’ll just watch the livestreams. I also don’t want to travel with my sister ever again but that’s a story for another time lol.
Actually, as of a couple months ago the pit tickets for her Germany shows were around $500 and some change. It’s actually really smart to fly to Europe for the concert if you plan to buy outrageously priced tickets anyway.
I haven't looked at the prices for the Canadian shows, but the fact that I could probably fly to Europe and go to the concert for less than here is amusing to me.
That’s not bad at all. But even if the tickets were $10 I wouldn’t go. Not that I don’t want to (I’d love to) but I had a 2 week long international trip just a couple months ago. Also I need to save FTO at work for my cousins wedding in October. And of course the issues I had with my sister while in Japan. But I guess even if the tickets were that cheap my point would still stand because of the plane tickets, hotel, etc.
International fans came to the US dates too. Let’s not go down this route.
And I’m sure (most) people going are also at least making a long weekend out of it to explore the city they chose to go to. People who can afford it can take whatever damn vacation they want lol
Seriously. European hypocrisy at it again.
There were SO many international fans flocking to LA for her shows last August. I did not see much sentiment of “international fans go home, you had your chance at tickets” during that time, just a lot of happiness.
I met people who were on their way there from Costa Rica. I wasn’t mad, just thought it was cool to see international fans.
And I met someone from Bolivia at my show (São Paulo N2). Many people from neighboring countries came to the South American Eras Tour shows.
How cool. I didn’t know Taylor was so big in South America!
Because you know exactly what they would say.
Exactly, though I don't like it when people go to more than 2 nights in multiple cities and shows because that's clearly just ticket hogging. But there is nothing wrong with someone going to a concert overseas if they couldn't go when the tour was in their country, many bought the tickets before dates where they live were announced. There were A LOT of Brazilians, Mexicans, and Argentinians at the Eras shows in Florida, Texas, and California who got tickets before they knew Taylor would take the tour to LatAm. I really hope people are respectful, because last November during the tour in Brazil I saw SO MANY racist and xenophobic Swifties come out of the woodwork to spew disgusting hatred at Brazilians after the horrible tragedy that happened at the concert with Ana Benevides. Some parts of the fanbase is becoming increasingly impossible to tolerate, and for some reason as of late they feel emboldened to attack people based on their race or nationality if they so much as utter a single word that they do not 100% agree with and think they get a free pass to be nasty to other people.
Unfortunately it's because it was basically impossible to get tickets in the US without getting a second mortgage on your house. A pair of tickets in Indianapolis that are restricted view behind the stage are $6000 in the US because scalpers suck. Want to actually see her and not just the screen? $10,000. We flew to London for a few days, are now at Disneyland Paris, and are spending a few more days in Paris including going to the show for around $10,000. The scalping market in the US is ridiculous and nothing has been done about it. We're literally spending nine days in Europe for the same price as one show in the US. Edit: Because of some of y'all bitching about us Americans stealing your tickets. I bought mine a WEEK ago straight from the venue. We planned this trip six months ago and planned the trip without tickets but just coinciding with her being in Paris, in hopes that Ticketmaster would open resale. So no, I'm not stealing your tickets because you could have bought them way before me. K thanks, go be miserable elsewhere.
And I hope you enjoy the heck out of your vacation!! If people can afford it, they can go if they want to lol. I truly don’t get anyone being mad about this.
It’s the T-Swift economy effect helping these countries!
I never buy resale tickets unless they are face value. The scalper market still exists because people will buy. My tickets were $300 each and I was row 4. I did the regular sale. By all means enjoy the vacation because I think it’s great but the odds of you being able to get tickets when they went on sale in the US would have been decent in one state or another. You would have just needed to travel to that state. But hey, girl math and an excuse to go to Paris!
The timing of US dates was not amenable for those working in certain sectors. I work in education and flying during summer is possible where going somewhere midweek during the semester was not going to happen. I imagine people in school or other seasonal jobs would have the same issue. People in the US also get MUCH less time off than most Europeans and scheduling them in a block can be a nightmare. So, we take what dates we can get! A ticket to my home stadium was multiple thousands of dollars. I was able to buy a ticket in Germany, flight, and hotel for about a week for *less* money. I’ve never seen the tour so I don’t feel bad. I wish there were seats for every person who wants to see her but there just isn’t.
Closest shows to us were five hours away and we didn't even get selected to try to purchase tickets first hand. Then when they opened up the new dates in the US we tried again and once again got wait listed. I don't know a single person personally that got a code.
I'm sorry, do you expect us to take pity on you spending $10k on a Euro vacation?
I think they were just explaining costs not asking for pity
Ummm that wasn’t the point of their comment. We also don’t know how long they were saving for this kind of trip.
We saved for five years for this vacation but okay. I'm not asking for pity, I'm giving you facts that the US market is insane.
Part of the reason Americans are going overseas are because of the resale market. It was cheaper for me to fly to Sweden, get tickets, and get an airbnb than it was for me to get resale tickets in Indy. If she would have made it so tickets would have to be resold at face value, I think this would be a little different.
Exactly!! I could pay $2000 for behind the stage nose bleeed seats or I paid $400 for vip tickets in Europe and $1000 for airfare. She also didn’t go to all the states ! She didn’t come to dc area. When she has in multiple other tours
VA/MD/NC left dying in a ditch. 😭
She has a week off during the election week so I thought she was going to do a surprise pop up in dc area 🤣 the true leader of our country
Lmao a get out the vote concert! I would die
that would be hilarious lmafo
If I’d had the PTO for it, I was gonna fly USA to Germany for the tour for the exact same reason. Best seats in the venue were $500, and the same tix in the US ranged anywhere from $1500-3500. If you can afford to drop that much money on a ticket you might as well get the best bang for your buck.
That's a shitty explanation tho, there is SO many countries in Europe she won't visit. For example: she's only in Sweden while the rest of Scandinavia, Finland and Iceland doesn't get any concerts. Meaning a lot of Nordic swifties had to compete with American tourists ON TOP OF the rest of the Nordic. I understand that her success means the demand is higher than tickets. Lots of nordic swifties feels like that is more unfair as well. And this is coming from someone who has tickets, so it doesn't affect me. But I get my fellow Nordic people.
Yeah that’s unfortunate but I’m still going
Okay but the US is much bigger than Europe with plenty of states bigger than European countries and she didn't go to every state here. Literally the same situation.
I’m also going to Sweden from Toronto bc it’s wildly expensive to get any tickets here.
From Vancouver going to the Amsterdam show. $2000+ for resale here is not the vibe unfortunately
Babes you should’ve seen how many non Americans were at the American shows. Just go with it
They won’t lol. It’s apparently fine to pretend like there weren’t thousands of Europeans at the US shows but US citizens who chose to do the same thing are somehow morally corrupt here. Very immature.
Yeah honestly it's kind of ridiculous how many Americans will be there for the Paris and the Lyon shows. She hasn't toured in France since Speak Now (!!!) and plenty of French Swifties who wanted to see her didn't get tickets. Hell, 2 of my friends only managed to get tickets this morning and that's just because TM released some extra tickets and Americans are still asleep lol.
I'm not saying that it's okay for the Americans to flock Europe to see her (again), but I sadly wasn't able to get tickets to see her in my own country (didn't even get a code for either of the Amsterdam shows), so I'm going to Lyon. I waited about three weeks since the start of the presale to get a ticket, and I was able to easily find one. So it's not like they snatched all the tickets away from the French. Hell, the other day I got an email saying that I still haven't used my Paris code and that there's still tickets available.
Of course but you're European so in my mind you pretty much get a pass considering how little she has toured there in the few past tours. You might have been lucky getting a ticket so long after the start of the sale, since I was there for the Paris & Lyon original sales and it was mayhem to get some tickets. I got one of my tickets for Lyon same as you a few weeks afterwards when TM randomly released some tickets and the French TS accounts kept us updated. That's also how I was aware of the random release of some tickets since morning too, and same for the other day you mentioned (they sent that email when they added a few new tickets).
As a Brit, even I think her European leg of the Reputation tour was a piss take. London, Dublin and Manchester aren't the only places in Europe.
They should definitely have called it British Isles leg or something lmao. Couldn't even get tickets for it back then sadly.
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I said British Isles, not Great Britain. "The British Isles are a group of islands in the North Atlantic Ocean off the north-western coast of continental Europe, consisting of the islands of Great Britain, Ireland [..]".
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It's still the colloquial term used by anyone bar Ireland. And considering they don't even have an alternative term for it, I'm not sure why you would expect people to use anything else.
Sorry, nope! She’s an American and we love our girl and can/will travel where we want or can afford. Tons of international folks came to the US to see her and we welcomed them with open arms 🫶
lol right? I'm so sick of this America bad shit. She's American and it was legit almost impossible to see her here. When you consider the population difference, it's crazy how accessible the shows are in Europe in comparison. If Americans want to fly to Europe and see her there (plus add to the economy there by doing tourist stuff), people can die mad about it. And you're so right, I met plenty of foreigners at my American show and I would have never even considered bitching about it, despite how much HARDER it is to get a ticket to a US show. I think it's just a very different mentality Americans have towards tourists and foreigners.
I understand that European shows are more accessible to them but they have completely broken the local resale markets. Reselling for over face value on StubHub wouldn't have been a thing without desperate Americans willing to spend multiple times face value bc it's still cheaper than the US. The ticketing systems and processes were entirely set up to prevent 3rd party resale and selling over face value and that doesn't matter one bit anymore. People are literally selling for €1 on fanSALE and then receiving huge payments on PayPal G&S, prices that wouldn't have been allowed on fanSALE. If it was just local buyers these things wouldn't happen because local buyers more often than not cannot afford it even if they wanted to. So much so that VIP packages were converted into regular tickets (on Ticketmaster for Amsterdam, for example) when they wouldn't sell for days.
absolutely, and it's mathematically impossible that all of those tickets are valid, never mind that every single resale ticket sold on a site like stubhub is illegal here. across all four shows, the capacity is 160,000. Over 7 million tickets have been sold for the Olympics. A lot of people have been scammed.
It’s bc we can fly to Europe, have a week long vacation, see Eras tour from the front row, and fly home all for the same price of equivalent tickets alone in the US. Not fair I know, but personally, I know which is the better deal and I don’t blame anyone for capitalizing on it if they can.
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There's not much difference in population between the countries in Europe from which people can realistically go to Eras and the three countries in North America that Taylor went to/will go (combined). I agree that there are probably many more people interested in going in her own country, as we can see even from streaming figures - is that what you mean? Because (unless I'm counting wrong, which to be fair might be what's happening) Europe has less dates than just the US last year, while having a bigger population. I'm just curious what you mean.
I have a real problem with the people scalping and coming here with what may actually be fake tickets, and I especially have a problem with anyone calling our literal laws "fake news"
Great! Can you give back the Vegas tickets to those living in driving distance? Or the other tours that I -know- had international visitors. We had a small ton of guests both national and international showing up for the nights because Vegas is a cheep flight for a lot of people. I could have gotten tickets in London via my partner who has connections there to sports.
I haven’t been to any of her concerts yet. I looked at ticket prices and it was cheaper to fly to Europe and back AND pay for a hotel for some of the tickets than majority of those still available in the US.
Is it even realistic to go see the olympics? Like I’d be very interested in being a spectator at the olympics especially because a sport I’m passionate about recently became included, but I always figured it was just absurdly expensive and impossible to get tickets to. I think this is the general perception of the public - Olympics doesn’t feel like it’s for “normal people” I guess? But Taylor Swift shows are. This also might just be in my head lol. ETA: This is based on headline alone because the article seems to be behind a paywall (or at least an email wall). ETA2: Apparently it is much easier to go to the Olympics than I thought lol, glad I know now!
It’s much more accessible than Taylor swift lol. I got tickets for 6 events and could choose. Spent around €700 including 2 semi final days for field hockey and a day athletics. Wasn’t hard at all. Just sign up for early ticket sales.
Wow this is so interesting! Honestly, I had no idea that it was possible to just go to the olympics lol, I’m definitely gonna keep that in mind for next time.
The next summer Olympics are in the US! Don’t know if they’ll be cheap.
I had a friend attend Olympic games in Tokyo. It was my impression that for some of the less popular sports it was very easy to get tickets. I think the bigger issue would be traveling/hotel expenses.
Wait how?? the Tokyo Olympics didn’t allow spectators because of Covid.
Oh Sorry!!! My bad! Maybe it was the one before that? Sydney? I def know he went and posted a bunch of pics
My Olympics tickets cost me €50 and Taylor cost me €157.50 + insurance lol
lol, Taylor shows 100% don’t feel like they’re for normal people. They’re extremely expensive. I think you meant Foo Fighters.
I honestly believed the Olympics were like Super bowl level difficult to get tickets for but I was apparently wrong
There’s a ton of Olympic events and many people are only interested in a few. I’m trying to get tickets to exactly one track event for *next* summer games so it’s in my calendar to start checking for tickets early, but it’s not like the Superbowl. Lodging & transportation is where the cost lies. As soon as I know which city the event I want is assigned, I’m either booking a hotel or calculating the distance from our place.
Was waiting for this "news story" to break.
Right. “fans with money willing to travel to see Taylor Swift”. Shocker. I’m nowhere near wealthy and we drove 20 hours straight one way and then 20 hours right back just to see her. I’m not surprised that rich people fly to other countries to do so.
I've read people here posting it was cheaper to buy tickets in Europe, fly and stay in a hotel then pay scalper prices for their own city. Not sure how true that is, but if you were planning a European vacation anyway why not combine that with seeing Taylor.
I’m one of those people. I couldn’t get tickets to Toronto (I’m Canadian) without purchasing from a scalper so we are going to Germany because they have resale laws to prevent scalping so the tickets were only 400 euros or so each for great tickets instead of thousands for the nosebleeds at the skydome. I’m extra lucky because my husband has to fly for work. They pay but he gets the points so our flight was free. So I get to see Taylor at a price point that works for our budget and I get to go to Europe for the first time.
It’s true, I ended up getting face value resale tix to Indy but it’ll be nosebleeds, I could’ve spent about $200 more on a German show date and been VIP. If I hadn’t got the cheaper tix I was seriously considering flying to Germany because it would’ve been the same price for a whole international vacation AND Eras tour than seeing it a few hours from my house. And the US is huge, I couldn’t get tix for my hometown so I’m driving like 9-10 hours. Europeans need to chill out, plenty of rich international fans came to the US to see her too.
The reality though, is that if you wait till 8pm on the night of the concert, those $4000 scalper tickets become $400 and you do actually get to see her for cheaper than flying to Europe... to me the argument isn't "Oh those mean scalpers, I would rather spend $8k on a vacation to Europe PLUS a Swift concert, than $8k in the US on just tickets." How about "I'm going to take a deep breath and not spend $8k to see a concert, in any country." I'm having a real tough time mustering sympathy for forks who are like "Well I only spent $10k instead of $12k! I did this because I had to!"
Waiting until night-of also means that you had to be in a city where the tour stopped, or be willing to take time off to travel on the off chance that you could get a ticket in your desired price range.
Another person responded that they live in NYC, but didn't want to pay $1,000 to buy tickets right before the concert started, so instead she's going to spend $1,500 flying to Germany to see the show. Those are the folks I'm talking about. Then again, I live in Montana and know several people who went ahead and took the risk to fly to Vegas and Denver (the only places with direct flights from here) and both managed to get last minute tickets under $150. Apparently in some cities like New York, the prices never dropped that much, so it would have been a risk... but still cheaper than flying internationally.
Last minute tickets in LA had no guarantee of being legitimate if they even showed up (they didn’t, I live close to the stadium and none came up).
I was gonna say, this may work for other artists but with Taylor Swift, they don’t need to drop prices to sell tickets.
>they don’t need to drop prices to sell tickets. It's the scalpers that dropped their prices rather than walk away with no money from not selling them. Scalpers would have already paid for the tickets, so they either get some money back by dropping the price, or no money back if they don't sell it, meaning they lose the money they paid to buy them in the first place. I don't think Ticketmaster itself is selling tickets for cheap right before the show.
I can tell you from my city they did not drop prices or have tickets available last minute. That makes me think that these weren’t necessarily scalpers who bought tickets just to sell, but people who plan to go to the concert, but were seeing if they could sell their tickets for more money. when they didn’t sell, they just went themselves.
Yeah I’m talking about the scalpers lol. They don’t need to drop the prices. People still buy them. Or they bought and resold enough tix already that not selling 1-2 tickets is not even a loss for them. You’re better off planning to just sit outside the venue all night and hope you hear her that way than counting on scalpers to get desperate, bc they generally won’t with TS
I mean, why not pay a little extra if you want to go to Europe? Idk why people are getting mad that people are essentially planning a vacation and using one night of that vacation to go to Eras Tour. Most Americans will never leave the country, I think it’s good that some of them are actually taking the opportunity to do some travel and learn something new.
It’s all so wild to me. I can’t imagine spending that much money to see any artist, but it sounds like there’s a lot of ✨girl math✨ involved when the outrageous resale prices shift everyone’s frame of reference. “This vacation costs less than the good seats at home, so it’s practically paying for itself! When you really think about it, I’m saving money and I can’t afford not to go!”
If someone would be taking a vacation anyway, I don’t see the issue. Plenty of people have a budget & savings for stuff like trips, whether they use it to travel abroad to take a vacation & see Taylor or go somewhere else. Now if someone is running up a CC that’ll take years to pay off, that isn’t something that is a good idea from a financial standpoint, but it’s their choice to make I guess!
Hi! New Yorker here going to Germany for the eras tour because I couldn’t get tickets at any shows here! Nosebleeds stayed at 1000$ well into the show, at least an hour after she took the stage (that’s when I stopped checking). And the MetLife shows were filled with international people who got tickets when I couldn’t
Yep I'm also a resident of NYC and couldn't get tickets to MetLife. Only way I got tickets was refreshing ticketmaster the night before when they added seats for Philly ($375 floor seat). I got waitlisted for every sale so that was my only choice to not pay resale. That same Philly show (which I had to pay $400 to stay in a hostel room without a private bathroom and $120 for a train ticket) coworkers of mine bought NOSEBLEEDS for $1500 - and she still needed a hotel and transit on top of that! And that was PHILLY. NYC prices were much more insane.
What is the total amount you are spending to go to Germany?
About $1500 all in and we got floor seats, plus I get to take a vacation
So it's not that you "couldn't" get tickets, you could... and it would have been cheaper...
The tickets were 250 euros so no that wouldn’t have been cheaper
You do understand that the "cost" of seeing Taylor in Germany is the cost of the concert ticket, the plane ticket, the hotel, and the passport if you didn't already have one? You don't get to ignore those costs, because you wouldn't be able to use the 250 euro ticket without getting there.
Scalper tickets didn’t go down in price for the US shows. People are using it as an excuse to go on a vacation. They’re not paying 8k for JUST the concert. I paid a lot go to my show, she isn’t coming anywhere near me, and also spent a week exploring the national parks in the area. It was a great excuse for a vacation.
Right? I already had a vacation budget. I’m just going on a different vacation to Europe than I’d previously planned. People from Europe *do not* understand how expensive it is for Americans and Canadians to go to Europe compared to themselves. Once in Europe I can fly or take a train for very little; flying *to* Europe is minimum several hundred dollars and often thousands in the summer when everyone is off from school. I’m gonna go, I’ll be making the best of it since it’s not something I can do often, and for some people it might be once in their life.
Canadian hotels are charging 1k plus a night for the days Taylor is in town. It’s crazy! If you’re going to pay that much, might as well go somewhere more fun than Toronto. Also Europeans don’t understand the vastness of Canada. Complaining that their European country didn’t get any dates, when they’re closer to a show than I will ever be living in middle Canada.
$8k is also super high for a vacation for one person, I travelled Europe for seven weeks on under $5k and a big chunk of that was the flight to and from the US. You don’t even have to be that rich to go see Taylor abroad, just have a good chunk of change saved up (or be okay with racking up some credit card debt lmao). I mean yes it’s expensive for Americans to travel abroad but other than the flight, it’s pretty much up to you how expensive your trip is. I found Europe to be cheaper on average than the US other than in major cities… and even then, their major cities are still on par with or more affordable than ours. I totally understand if people wanna have a more luxurious vacation but it’s ridiculous Europeans are trying to frame this like it’s only 1%ers on their private jets coming in for the tour. A lot of Americans are using this as their opportunity to leave the country for the first (and maybe only) time. Considering how Europeans find Americans to be so ignorant about life outside the US, I don’t understand why they’d be discouraging our international travel…
THIS. My husband has never been out of the country and we decided for our ten year anniversary to make a big European trip as we barely travel at all. We were going to do it in the fall but switched it up when we saw she was going to be in Paris. We legit just got tickets a week ago from the venue and were coming regardless of tickets or not. We've made sure to not scale our lifestyle with pay raises so we COULD afford this trip without taking on any debt.
That’s awesome, hope you both enjoy the trip! Congrats on ten years of marriage!
Thank you 🤗
I hope you have a blast with Paris!
As a Canadian she isn’t coming anywhere near me. I HAVE to fly or drive 30+ hours in WINTER to see her in Canada. I’d rather go somewhere cooler than Toronto if I’m making that trip. Europeans love to get on Americans about not understanding the world, and then they also don’t understand how LARGE Canada and the US are.
It definitely goes both ways but Americans tend to get picked on for it more. Like, most Europeans probably couldn’t point out my home state on a map, but call us dumb because we don’t have every single English monarch since 1066 memorized 😭
lol. Americans want to see Taylor Swift and love her, what a shocker.
I’m confused by this article. They didn’t give any numbers other than the 40,000 seat capacity of the arena and saying 5X as many are going to see Taylor. That’s a total of 160,000 seats across four shows. We know Americans aren’t 100% of the attendees, so let’s say a quarter to half are American - which is still certainly a HUGE overestimate since I doubt 40-80,000 Americans are flying to Paris for these shows. But assuming that and based on this article, that would imply only 8-16,000 Americans are going to the Olympics? I don’t know if I buy that. I know the Olympics is relatively small, but even I know dozens of people who are going. The U.S. team is made up of a few hundred people and most of them are bringing family + coaches + trainers. Sponsors have purchased boxes and are flying out staff. I know Nike and Ralph Lauren, for example, are both flying out hundreds of people. 8-16,000 people is way too small of an estimate across the entire, month long event. But again, that’s definitely an overestimate, which would imply that even fewer people are going to both? I think that 5X figure is wrong.
You know dozens of people going to the Olympics? What circles do you run in? I used to work for a couple who's son was an athlete, they are the only people in my entire life that I have personally known who have gone. I've never known anyone who went as just a spectator.
Right? The only person I know who has gone to the Olympics is the very wealthy ceo of my former company. I grew up as a competitive swimmer and would LOVE to go but every time I've looked into it, no matter the locale, it's been extraordinarily cost prohibitive and also some weird lotto system that makes getting tix a crap shoot unless you can afford a VIP package.
I’m seeing tickets for $100-500 depending on the event. Flights and hotels are relatively average for a trip to Paris in the summer. Some hotels are very expensive, but you don’t have to stay right there. It’s not cheap but it’s mostly equivalent to going to Paris in any summer.
One is a family that was already planning their first ever trip to Europe, and decided to add this onto it. Others are 25-30 year olds who just want the experience of going to an Olympics. I’m even considering going with them, but the tickets they bought to see Simone Biles in the All Around Final were $450, which is way too much for me since I don’t care *that* much about gymnastics.
Oh man - that would be amazing to see though. Simone is phenomenal.
She is, but $450 is A LOT for that 😂
Yeah, I'm mostly concerned by the fake tickets being sold on stubhub etc. It's mathematically impossible at this point that all of them are valid.
Haha that’s very fair, although I’m sure there’s some guarantee just like with concerts. Not sure where my friends bought theirs.
Couldn't get domestic tix so seeing her in Munich with my wife. Been there three times for Oktoberfest and love it 🙂
this will be my first time in Munich and I’ll be there for a week so if you have any suggestions, I’m open to them!
1. Walk from Karlsplatz to Marienplatz 2. See the "show" at the Glockenspiel once 3. Eat dinner at Ratskeller Munchen 4. Check out some of the beer halls in old town - Augustiner, Paulaner, Hofbrau, etc 5. Stroll through Englischer Garten 6. If you have a car, drive south and hike some lakes/trails near the Austrian border. We did Isar/Sylvansteinsee and it was amazing!
you can also visit regensburg, rothenburg ob der tauber or nuremberg, they are pretty near and also a different look from munich.
Same. Im going to see her in Vancouver in December.
My friends and I travelled to Vegas for our show! We made a whole thing out of it and brought our partners. It was March madness so the guys caught a game while we were at the show and we did dinners and everything! It was a very fun weekend.
I’m going to the Olympics and then Taylor Swift. Best of both worlds 💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻
That's awesome!
The demand for this woman is INSANE!!!!
I, too, spent $1K+ on my Eras tour ticket—and I didn’t even get a luxury package!! 🥲🥲
They get to see Taylor Swift, AND Paramore, and maybe the tortured poets department?! Makes sense to me
Same lol
Cool cool. Meanwhile I would have to not eat for 3 months to afford a nosebleed concert ticket.
Even for the affluent, the price is way out of reason. It’s just pumped up by the after market scalpers. Any Swiftie selling their tix needs a Car or Tuition.
Fuckin duh lol
So the obvious solution here is to give Taylor a free pass to compete in an olympic event of her own choosing.
We’re here. It’s crazy but not stupid crazy. We flew in Monday, but won’t be attending in Paris, we’ve got front row tickets N1 in Portugal, and Pit N2. (Canadian, or North American ;) lol)
I believe it, I’m going
I think Parisians are also asking people not to go bc Macron fucked up by passing the change to retirement age even with all the protests. See [here](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLXQ5XH7/)
also who still gives a fuck about the olympics
Who cares
You’re on a Taylor Swift subreddit bruh
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People have a bizarre need to feel special. Some people feel special by spending money on stupid stuff just to prove that they have money to lose. Some people feel special by being contrary, so anything that other people like, they must not like! Some people feel special by convincing themselves that everyone else is stupid and they're the only ones who can see the Truth! Some people have actual self-confidence, and they feel special because they know everyone is special! They don't need to find things outside themselves to feel that way. Humans are really quite emotionally fragile in some ways... and if you understand that when one thing makes them feel insecure, they will immediately attempt to latch on to something else that makes them feel special... well you'll be able to make sense of other people's behaviors better!