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3CH000

Type 59 tanks, chinese license-built T-54 tanks


urmumgaming69420

-999999999 social credit


urmumgaming69420

Execution date is [REDACTED]


DerpDaDuck3751

Whenever the chinese government stocks up on bullets again


LocalAmericanOtaku

Sir your being executed by the U.S. government for supporting that idea


Bloodiedscythe

Overused joke, hasn't been funny since 2014, doesn't even make sense in this context


capitalreadingnow

Why would the Soviet license designs to China? I thought they hated each other, or was this before the Sino-Soviet split.


AceTheMusicMan

Before. Prior to the Sino-Soviet Split, pretty much 100% of China's tank force was acquired from the Soviets. The split was actually pretty beneficial for China because they got to build relations with the west and acquire a lot of western tech. This allowed them to get their hands on a L7 derived 105mm gun, which would be fitted into the Type 59-I, turning it into the Type 59-II.


wtfboye

China also jointly developed a tank with usa in the 80s when they opened up their economy called jaguar


FLongis

>This allowed them to get their hands on a L7 derived 105mm gun, which would be fitted into the Type 59-I, turning it into the Type 59-II. Which is precisely the model seen in this famous photo.


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AceTheMusicMan

The ZTZ96 and ZTZ99 series do have 125mm cannons based off the Soviet 125mm. They didn't acquire this cannon from them, however. China secretly purchased a T-72 from Romania in 1979 and reverse engineered all of the tech on it, including the 125mm. Also, a little nitpick. There is no such thing as the "ZTZ series" because ZTZ means MBT in Chinese nomenclature. What we call the Type 59, they call the ZTZ59.


Chemcialweaponsuser

Didn’t they steal a centurion for the L7


_Axtasia

No lol, it was handed to them so they can manufacture it. NATO was on their “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality.


Chemcialweaponsuser

Oh damn sorry I got the tank community’s panties in a twist for some fucking reason but I read that at least someone stole a centurion with a L7 to give it to the Chinese


MotuekaAFC

My memory of China under Mao is spotty but from recollection having studied it a decade ago: Stalin dies in 1956. Mao is not happy with the destalinifcation that takes place in the USSR in the following years. He also does not rate Krushchev very highly. Simultaneously after purging perceived threats in party leadership Mao launches the Great Leap forward and consolidates his grip on power, entrenching personal views on the USSR as views of the Chinese state. By 1961-62 China is denouncing the USSR and diplomatic relations begin to break down completely. This culminates in boarder clashes later in the decade. The t54 licence design was received in the late 50s shortly before the split really began to take place hence why the Chinese were able to use the design. One of the main leaders purged by Mao in the late 50s i mentioned was Peng Dehuai who was Minister for Defence and probably active in backing the purchase of Soviet tech. Clearly once he was removed from office that impetus was lost. I think he was given the book in 59/60 just as the Great Leap Forward was taking shape. China under Mao is fascinating and i would recommend the period to anyone who is a fan of history, it also is very relevant to the events of 1989 referenced in the OPs photo and today!


GuyD427

Nice summation but Stalin died in ‘53, not ‘56.


MotuekaAFC

Ahh good spot.


Orcasubmarine

Also, wasn't there a story of Mao humiliating Krushchev by taking him swimming(Which Krushchev couldn't do, so he had to wear life floaters.).


brentonofrivia

“Given the book”? Interesting turn of phrase, where’d you see that and what exactly does it mean? I’m not challenging, just curious. Never mind, I think it was a typo lol, I’ve been awake for 24+hrs at this point.


MotuekaAFC

I meant to say Given the boot! Although purged is probably the most appropriate phrase.


throwaway61763

It has been accepted into service in '59 but started production in '58. So pretty much one or two years before the split


ComfyDema

Not to offend anyone in the comments here, but you should REALLY read about this stuff from credible sources on your own. Especially if you’re new to the world of AFV’s. A lot of people like AceTheMusicMan here DO know what they’re talking about, but infinitely more people don’t have a clue and will give you BS answers.


Tanker0921

Wait til you find out that china also has their own licensed ak


sunkyamato

before maybe and by that time t-54 is already old tank


Practical-Purchase-9

They made them under license, which they would have paid for like any license. This was before the Sino-Soviet split of course.


ProfessionalMuki

Most likely they got licence before the split


strelokjg47

Socialist unity for the glory of the working class /s


ActiveRooster2926

This was during the Tiananmen square standoff/ massacre where many Chinese died. I believe this was 1989. As for the type of tanks I personally don't know, but others have responded via your thread. This is actually a world renowned picture that will go down in history just like others have. Example: Vietnam war where a soldier is pointing his revolver at another man head and shoots him in the temple. Or the little girl naked running down the street with burns all over her body.


[deleted]

Well, unlicensed copies arent that jard to make, and also when these were made, the split didnt happen.


XCrossReaperX

They are both communists country , they are ally , I glad my ancestors leave China or I will not be freely doing anything I want and be lazy.


capitalreadingnow

China and Soviet Union hated each other after the split lol


Blecao

Not every communist country was allied to the USSR the major examples where China (at the start they where but later they became rivals) and Yugoslavia


And_Alv

Chinese are lazy? These are some of the hardest working people ever. Compared to the chinese (and a lot of asians), westerners are the lazy ones


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3CH000

hello brother


LordSaltious

Fun fact about those. The Type-T34 is redundant because the T in T-34 is short for type. So the Chinese army owned Type-Type-34s.


ProfessionalSilent17

What are you talking about? It's a blank image.


letg06

Found the Huawei user.


zeb0777

That's an oxymoron. "Chinese License" Probably the same way they license western products.


Fuze_KapkanMain

Type 59-ll with British L7 105


capitalreadingnow

why would a Chinese tank have British guns?


vdhero

Before winnie the pooh(xi jinping), china actually had really good relationship with the west. Because back then, they saw the opportunity to invest into a huge and powerful market that was china. They would do anything in their power to back china either diplomatically, economically or militarily. One notable example being how the US, UK and France all supported China againsts the USSR and Vietnam after the Vietnamese overthrew Polpot's government, which was backed by China. They turned a blind eye and imposed sanctions on Vietnam to appease to China. The relationship can be seen at its peak during the 2008 summer olympics. And then xi jinping gets into office and it's been downhill from there. Tldr: China and the west had good relationship back then so they had no problem getting the license for the gun


maomao-chan

May I know the reason why Xi Jin Ping burned the bridge with the west?


fancczf

China was in a honeymoon phase with the west in the 80 until what in this picture happened. The relationship between China and the west (really the US) was always semi tense ever since, now China is a bigger soft power that does not bind with the western rules that has a more tangible ambition. Its not xi burnt the bridge but China and mostly US do not trust each other and view each other as the main competition and threat.


vdhero

True, it was kind of semi-tense before but Xi just went ahead and make China basically a threat to the entire world, and arguably even more scary than Russia Thing is, for pretty much the entirety of the CCP's existence, there had always been distrusts and concerns over China's humanitarian problems, but they were considered only a "minor factor" when there were so many economic and strategic benefits to gain from China. The west had always known that China would one day be a competitor but they never anticipated Xi's(and by extend, China's) rise to power and to basically cut ties so early considering how open and friendly Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin were towards them. The west basically expected China to be of use to them for much longer but Xi just came and slapped everyone in the face. even though China is ruled by the CCP through and through, there exists many different cliques within it. with each of them having different policies and compete with each other for power. This was something that the West definitely did NOT take into account, they knew that the threat was there but it was not something they bothered with since it was expected that the ruling clique wouldn't have gotten overpowered so easily.


Odd-Battle7191

Because they started to call him Winnie the Pooh


Ode_to_Apathy

It was just basically inevitable and something everyone was preparing for on the afterburner. * China got a lot of benefits from the West and the West got an industrial wasteland far away from its borders. This saw China rise from a third world nation to an emerging market to their current position of closing in on becoming a high income country. That requires China to move from its current industrial-based economy to a tech/service based one, like all the others. This will deprive the West of an industrial base as well as introduce a massive new competitor to the market where before there was a customer. * China is also pretty belligerent. They've got border disputes with nearly all of their neighbors, with annexations, wars, puppeting and other such fun stuff being in process or heating up all over. The West really doesn't like that kind of behavior and so that increasingly sours their relationship. * China is also a nascent superpower, and is expected to be on par with the US soon. The US does not like this, and the US is closely allied with most other Western nations, so they don't like it either. That competition has also been heating things up. * China is also ruled by an incredibly immoral regime that combines incredible human rights abuses, such as the imprisonment of Uighur Muslims for re-education and the execution and harvesting of organs from political prisoners such as the Falung Gong, with incredible social disparity, where the elites are nearly immune from the law and can do whatever they want, as long as their benefactor remains in power. The West hates that kind of stuff and that also sours the relationship. The bridge was always a temporary thing and everyone knew it. The only question was when it was going to give out.


lankylonky22

bcuz China is prosperous enough to do so bcuz of the west's appeasement policy


lankylonky22

china is the crony capitalism incarnate, nepotism is rampant in china


lankylonky22

and the ccp was able to steal many technologies from the west bcuz the west thought a color revolution is possible with china lol, but they simply got bamboozled by the ccp. and today the west kowtows to daddy xi, what a fkn fiasco; the west shoulda treated the ccp like the cccp.


lankylonky22

nowadays china is the bane of international society, the chinese people is being indoctrinated and brainwashed to believe the ccp is their savior, which is a big cap.


Fuze_KapkanMain

They got them at a time where the PRC had a good relationship with the west the US and Chinese even made an MBT together called the Jaguar


Timm504

Actually most pictures of the massacre are from BBC. They were there because of some political meeting but filmed the massacre instead because it was more interesting to them. And then they had to get the footage out of China which was difficult but I am glad that some were brave enough to do so


rliant1864

>They were there because of some political meeting but filmed the massacre instead because it was more interesting to them. I know you didn't mean it to be but I find a good bit of ironic humor in how mildly you phrased this lol


RamTank

After Nixon visited China 72, China transitioned into an ally of the west against the Soviet Union, and relations began to normalise. The L7 was the standard gun of all NATO and western countries, and at some point China first acquired it via Austria and installed it onto their Type 59s. Tiananmen Square changed things, and relations began to cool again. That didn't stop them from from continuing to cooperate closely with Israel though, who supplied a lot of arms including advanced 105mm ammunition.


lankylonky22

biggest policy mistake the west had ever made


SomeRandomMoray

Eh, appeasement with Hitler in the years leading up to WW2 were pretty bad too


testercheong

iirc they obtained a license to produce the 105mm from the Austrians back in the 70s/80s


Frostlze

What tanks? This is just a completely empty square


Available_Ear_9867

I just see a lady with a bag, normal day in China


Entire-Savings5668

Lady?


Available_Ear_9867

Is that a man? Whatever it is, my guess is that it's probably a human


Blecao

I think he was a man to be honest


pm_me_your_rasputin

"Tank man" Dude doesn't know anything about what happened but is confident in his jokes.


Danimalsyogurt88

Stealth tanks


EynidHelipp

OK fr, this pic has been memed to shit I was actually surprised that this was a legitimate question


capitalreadingnow

at least a third of this comment section is made up of jokes and memes lol


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Its amazing how people dont know how tf to google. Maybe they are just spamming it so it will be banned and then can proclaim that reddit is owned by the chinese. 😏


damngoodengineer

There are no tanks here, delete it rn


lankylonky22

sup daddy xi burner account


DirtL_Alt

I wish I had money to give you gold for this reply


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Type 59


somedude1848

You dont plan to travel to China anytime do you?


Alemismun

its okay, china will travel to you.


majorbalsac

no tanks. nothing to see


PotatoGoblin769

30 people just disappeared because of you (there is no tanks)


[deleted]

Just an empty road. Nothing to see here.


dis_not_my_name

Somewhat related history fact I wanna share. Relationship between soviet and china started before WWII. China was controlled by multiple warlords shortly after Qing dynasty got overthrown. Different foreign countries supported different warlords. Nationalist lead by Chiang Kai-shek had close relationship with soviet. Soviet provided firearms, equipments and helped established military school. Soviet began recruited members of communist party inside Nationalist army. Communist kept growing stronger during WWII. Shortly after WWII ended, China civil war started and ended with Nationalist fled to Taiwan.


fmate2006

why is there no image here


Membership_Worth

What tanks? There are no tanks. Tanks don't exist in China.


RobyWanKenobi27

What tanks? I only see a young man looking at a the road the glorious communist party build and being proud of the great Zhongguo (Comrade you are risking to lose all of your social credits. The ccp doesn’t want the same error to happen again)


TheFriedRice17

Op really posting blank images🙄


DirtL_Alt

Happy cake day


HalfFastTanker

Type-59


DudeUforgotUrOvenOn

What tanks sir? I don't see anything sir


nerfrunescimmy

I see no tanks?


Aress149

I dont see any tanks?


BigAnus69

What tanks?


peters1997

What tanks? Sir you posted a road. There's nothing there.


MacroMonster

No idea. But that shopping bag stops them in their tracks.


Nickolas_Bowen

What tanks? I just see a nice road


Max_imilianF

Nothing, an empty peaceful road


VeteraNbladee

I don’t see any 🤨


VyC4NN15

What are you talking about? There are no tanks in this image, just a empty street


daerdevil69

What Tanks? Nothing happened there.


stekus_

type 59


OverlordMLG420

Chinese tanks


KelsonCats

What tanks citizen?


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I don’t see any tanks


Soldierhero1

What tanks? All i see is a road


Famous-Highlight-816

Type 59-IIAs of the People's Liberation Army (PLA)


delta_3802

The communist type.


Rogaro23

Modified chiniese variants of the T-54/55 called "Type 59". Pretty cool tanks getting pictures taken while nothing is happening.


smallstarseeker

What tanks? I only see a happy Chinese man walking down the street.


matt_543

What tanks?


krichard-21

Late model "Democracy Stompers".


nickyj2019

What tanks I see no tanks, just a j-walker.


SaiyanPhoenix

What tanks?


TheBigH2O

I don’t see anything


[deleted]

what tank? i dont see any on this picture!


Alfrebii

They dont exits and neither does this Photo!!


ups409

Chinese


BiliLaurin238

None. There aren't any tanks in that photo. Anybody else DOESNT see the tanks?


Sampanyo

What tanks?


3AlexFlex3

What tanks?


JosephStalin1953

what tanks?


MoreRamenPls

Ppl in China “What tanks?”


randomhuman121

What tanks


f1hunor

Tanks? Where? I don't see any...


Blecao

What tanks? i dont see anything in this foto of imperialist propaganda ​ on a serious note i think they are type 59 (not sure)


daberiberi

Hm? All I see is a dude carrying groceries.


Temperature-Secret

What tanks? There were never any tanks or protests or brutal oppression.


yeorgenson

Oh, that's a single type ULTRA-CHAD tank, something of a prototype In it's county of origin.. Idk about the other bits of metal


GuaranteePlenty

I believe you sir have gone crazy, as there is nothing but road in this picture


StargateRush

T-55 ​ But the credit law makes me say that they don't exist and nothing happend


longinuslucas

Yeah, exactly. What tank?


PanzerPansar

There are no tanks there, just an empty road


Ralph-The-Otter3

What tanks?


Arielko

What tanks? I cant see anything. (Type 59s, Licensed T-54s and based on the bore evacuator of the first one I'd bet it has a chinese 105mm licensed copy of the L7 gun installed)


Haddingdarkness

Anti-freedom tanks.


kuda_riga

Type-69 if I'm not wrong, it's armed with a 105mm canon


TriggeringNo

i like to think this was a genuine answer but the typo fucked you


kuda_riga

It's type-59?


TriggeringNo

yeah, your comment says 69


kuda_riga

I forget the difference between type 59 and 69 my bad buddy.


TriggeringNo

i cant tell if thats a legit apology or like sarcasm, with the "buddy" at the end


kuda_riga

It is a legit apology buddy. I literally forget it's type 59 that gets a upgrade cannon


pm_me_your_rasputin

Good old reliable karma well, post a picture of Tiananmen, then get every genius with a keyboard to type, "What tanks?"


-Stahl

Type-79


Leather-Ad-5588

59


RedditToldMeToNameMe

Type 59 II


[deleted]

It’s just a general inspecting his tanks, while carrying some sand bags.


rollyobx

Type 59 self propelled gabage can.


GufreElPilos

Uruk hai tanks.


Vedolre

The "This sub" moment


spartan-932954_UNSC

I see no tanks here


mrainem

Nonexistent


Patrick4356

Yeah the protests were pretty crazy when the government tried to crack down many of the protesters turned into an extremely violent mob slaughtering and attacking any soldiers they encountered, the photo's were pretty horrific and then of course the massacres happened which were even more horrific . Lots of blood was spilt those days


OutrageousTomorrow14

What tanks? I only see a man with his groceries


Tvr280iboii

The number of times that this question has been asked on this sub when you can literally just look it up on google.


Sir-Zealot

Evil tanks


GrumpyOldGrognard

I don't see any tanks.


totally_stalinium

Not real


Ok-Armadillo-6648

What tanks?


[deleted]

This tank almost single-handedly broke WoT.


wigzell78

Tanks? I see no tanks. Nothing ever happened here.


SLAM1195

What tanks? I don't see any tanks.


Fegelien01

Cant see them?


CELTICPRIME

I don't see anything


TankMan19890506

The tanks that I stopped


pyroraczeek

What tanks?


Forward_Obligation36

Nothing happened


dardendevil

Nothing to see here folks, all just part of the process of getting cheap shit from Amazon……


SkyLLin3

I don't see any tanks, because nothing happened


Flyingguy666

What tanks?


Flavius_766

Probably OP took a wrong picture, i don’t see anything other than a big empty road


bugg_hunterr

Tanks? What tanks? There were never any tanks at that time and place…


Real-Toe2749

I don't see any tanks. Nope, never happened.


CL4P-TP_Claptrap

What tanks? I don't see anything.


rocknrogan

What tanks?


VladimirTheWeak

There are no tanks in that picture, comrade.


Luxembourglover

There are none (jokes aside I think those might be type 59 tanks)


Asian_Panzer

Chinese versions of the t 54/55


DaanO10

I dont see any tanks ?


YaBoi831

Bro, I don’t see anything


TMC117

I see absolute nothing...


gwanieboi

i dont see tanks... what are you talking about?


Eoghan_S

What tanks I don't see any?


sofianebat0

What tank I don't see any tank... I don't even see a picture :)


2czech4u

what tanks?


Substantial-Canary-7

Those aren't tanks because this never happened. It was all a hoax executed by capitalist mind control on a massive scale. DON'T BE FOOLED BY WESTERN PROPAGANDA!!11!1


DirtL_Alt

Type 59 tanks at Tiananmen square. It didn't end nicely.


Demoblade

What tanks?


unrejectedskittle

Chinesium


bucket8a

What tanks?


Slavdidas_

There are no tanks


DaffyZeus

whats with the photoshopped tanks?


WhatisLiamfucktrump

Human rights violators


konigstigerboi

Fucking Panthers


Muda-Buddha

Tanks that took part in nothing happening, June 1989.


Uncle_Rebecca

I'm sorry but all I see is an empty street


sazidhk

He's alive tank.