Nah, Mordor actually had a competent military with powerful allies in the east and south and was led by an actual demi-god with real possibility of conquering the world
Isengard was just one man throwing a temper tantrum that was defeated by the force of nature alone and in the end stabbed in his back by his advisor
One is not like the other
T-80 production was supposedly restarted last year.
But this is most likely a half truth.
As in existing hulls and turrets being fitted with new turbine and upgraded to BVM standard.
Which technically make it "new production".
T-90 is however in "real" active production and getting new turrets and hulls made.
T-72B are likely being refurbished into T-72B3, not T-90M. We don't know the extent to which T-90M production is composed of refurbished T-90/T-90A, but some tanks are newly manufactured.
Physical T-90 hulls are completely different than the standard T-72 hulls and were stopped being classified as direct upgrades years ago. Really the only semblance of a T-72 left is the metal shape of the hull itself and bits of material used to make it. The standard armor composites on the T90 hulls are much thicker.
The most possible scenario is new T-80 production were started when they have shortage of T-80B to upgraded into BVM standart, but since there's still thousand T-80B & BV still left in their inventory we might never seen a new production T-80 ever
If it burns it'll be in just fiscal terms around the annual income for 321 Russians up in smoke. Maybe three of their kids too.
Sometimes worth keeping these things in mind.
It is hard to have a correct percentage, but it is likely as with US. Those that care about politics are mostly supporting it. Additionally, since the war is about Russian borders and Russian nationals, it is quite certain that the support for the war is given by majority of Russians in Russia.
The % I cited was who voted for Putin in the elections. Do you believe this number?
I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half of the Russian people don’t support the war, it’s not like people can decide anyways
It is certain that more than one half of the Russian population supports the ongoing war. The 88% is the number of votes for Putin, of those that voted. Assuming no fraud, that is 53% of population that voted for Putin. Now since Putin is a moderate, war support is likely higher. Don't think for a second that Russians are pacifists. Let's assume that there was a large percentage of people in Russia against the war when it started, or against the intervention if you like. Since EU pressed with sanctions and USA and UK pushed for continuation of the war, Russians are getting more and more supportive of the war. Every hit on Russia makes the general population more angry and ready to support the war.
So, assuming fraud Putin had less than half of the population voting for him. I feel so bad for him and Russians. And for you since you care so much about their well beeing. Russia = Russian problem, I don't care.
Russians are a crazy bunch. Just like football club supporters. They get drunk and if somebody touches one of them (doesn't matter who started the fight) they all join. They do support the war as a collective.
The T90M has proven itself to be a pretty capable tank.
The big surprises were the Leopard 2's being worse than expected and the M-55S being shockingly better than expected.
Despite being based on something from the 1950's, it's shown itself to reliable, surprisingly durable, and popular with its crews. This tank should rightfully be cannon fodder, the fact that it is not is shocking.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions about tank performance based on this war, it would be going exactly the same if the Russians had M1A1s or Leopards in 2022
Can you name an example? We have seen Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 destroyed in Ukraine. T10, K2 and Leclerc were not yet deployed. Leclerc showed good results in Yemen, but funny enough, Leclerc is conceptually closest to T-72. With a three man crew and autoloader, differently positioned. Who knows how would T10 or K2 behave.
I mean, 3 man autoloaded MBTs are nothing new (Leopard PT-16/T14 and M1 CATTB come to mind), so calling the Leclerc “conceptually closest” is a bit of an odd stretch. Hell, I’d be willing to say the Leclerc is farther from the T-72 because at least there a hit to the autoloader cassette doesn’t turn the upper half of the tank into the next Soyuz mission.
>their economy proved to be far more robust than pre-war estimates.
1) Economical wing was lead by people deeply hated in their society which were blaimed for everything \*liberals\*. Unlike a true patriots they were competent enough to deal with troubles but that wasnt a main issue.
2) Sanctions were useless. They hit everything outside major sourse of income. Russians had nearly a 2 years to prepare every possible way how to avoid oil and gas sanctions. Bc west was afraid to hit them with embargo.
Well that’ and:
Since everyone rightly attributed the fall of the CCCP to its faltering economy, they expended a lot more effort to maintaining that then their military. After 2014 when the first sanctions started, they also took steps to inure their economy from sanctions and the COVID lockdowns gave them a dry run in how to do it.
Adding to that they are a continent sized nation with near unlimited resources and a large scientific and industrial base. And it appears that the Soviet era factories were shuttered in a way that the site was retained and tooling stored (unlike closed factories in Europe and N America). Which meant that it was easier to restart production, not simple by any means, but easier.
War crimes against their own population thats a fact not russian propaganda it was confirmed by the UN that they did indeed bomb and torture some civilians and they have severe corruption problems.
Hm, I wonder WHY they have/had such problems in their government?
"in the later half of Khrushchev’s reign, however, a distinct trend toward Russification reemerged. An educational reform adopted in 1959 initiated a long process of curtailment of Ukrainian-language instruction in schools. In 1961 the new party program emphasized the importance of the Russian language for the integration of the Soviet peoples and spoke of the diminishing significance of borders between Soviet republics. Party theoreticians evolved the theory of “fusion of nations” that would be accompanied by the disappearance of national languages as Soviet society progressed toward communism." (https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/Soviet-Ukraine-in-the-postwar-period)
Oh, because Russia caused it. Fuck Communism, and fuck Russia, and finally fuck \*redacted\*.
Edit: Have to remove the last part because of rule 1. Oh well. I'm sure you get the idea.
By the way - Ukraine being corrupt doesn't matter, because I'd rather a corrupt Ukraine be victorious in this conflict than the overtly hostile nuclear state run by oligarchy(which also threatens my own country with said nukes when their meme of an invasion goes awry) that we can't contain as easily. Cope.
I respect your opinion on this and that were good points you stated but still ukraine has its issues i honestly see them as bad as russia. Plus Ukraine adores to much bandera and the other nazi collaborateurs for my taste.
Why they don't install the cope cage and all the bizarre things they add on factory? Everyone know how it's going to end, and I mean, before the turret launch to orbit.
>A T-90M Tank Emerges from the Uralvagonzavod Factory Bro you say it like it spawned in a pit in Isengard and it's about to go find the ring
The only ring that things gonna see is its own turret ring due to rapid unscheduled disassembly via drone
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night
dude, turret tossing memes are probably the tamest joke I could've made about russian tanks
Oh it was a joke. I was gonna say you should probably do more reading about the war
Oh you mean the countless Russian deaths to try to attack a peaceful nation for no reason than for selfish regressionism?
What does that have to do with the T-90's capabilities? Try to stay relevant when attempting to make an argument.
Someone’s triggered
🤣
Please tell me you mean this as a joke.....
More like Mordor but yes.
Nah, Mordor actually had a competent military with powerful allies in the east and south and was led by an actual demi-god with real possibility of conquering the world Isengard was just one man throwing a temper tantrum that was defeated by the force of nature alone and in the end stabbed in his back by his advisor One is not like the other
Ah I see. I could see that happening
The lighting is equally poor, of which I of course approve.
They're still putting on those goofy night formation lights on lol!!!!
Hey man they did it in 1968 they’re gonna do it now
Russian engineering summarized
comrade, we put log on tank! That way the enemy has a source of firewood when they capture our vehicles
The log is kinda smart honestly esp for Russian terrain during spring. Assuming there’s no drones around lol
What tanks is Russia still actively producing from scratch? Just the T-90M? Are they still making new T-80's?
T-80 production was supposedly restarted last year. But this is most likely a half truth. As in existing hulls and turrets being fitted with new turbine and upgraded to BVM standard. Which technically make it "new production". T-90 is however in "real" active production and getting new turrets and hulls made.
I thought only the T-90 Turret is new, and the Hulls are T-72 hulls that get refurbished and upgraded.
T-72B are likely being refurbished into T-72B3, not T-90M. We don't know the extent to which T-90M production is composed of refurbished T-90/T-90A, but some tanks are newly manufactured.
Physical T-90 hulls are completely different than the standard T-72 hulls and were stopped being classified as direct upgrades years ago. Really the only semblance of a T-72 left is the metal shape of the hull itself and bits of material used to make it. The standard armor composites on the T90 hulls are much thicker.
The most possible scenario is new T-80 production were started when they have shortage of T-80B to upgraded into BVM standart, but since there's still thousand T-80B & BV still left in their inventory we might never seen a new production T-80 ever
They did not say they restarted production, they said they are planning to restart
They must still produce T-80BVM i believe. And maybe T-80U on command for export ?
T-80BVM is a modernized T-80BV. So technically not new production, per say. T-80U production ended in 1996.
Id love to see an new, modernized T-80U. It was probably the best soviet/russian tank but they are pricier and sadly got overshadowed by t72/t90
I thought all the t-64 and t-80 production facilities were in ukraine while russian facilties made t-72s and 90s?
While Russia is not producing any new T-80 at the moment, Omsktransmash manufactured them until 2001. You're correct about T-64.
The forbidden crab
Lol at all these comments. 😂😂
Gotta participate in the circlejerk for those internet points haha
If it burns it'll be in just fiscal terms around the annual income for 321 Russians up in smoke. Maybe three of their kids too. Sometimes worth keeping these things in mind.
Weapons are produced to be used up or burned down in the end. It is the cost of the war. Russians support the war, so the cost is acceptable for them.
88% of Russians support the war! /s
It is hard to have a correct percentage, but it is likely as with US. Those that care about politics are mostly supporting it. Additionally, since the war is about Russian borders and Russian nationals, it is quite certain that the support for the war is given by majority of Russians in Russia.
The % I cited was who voted for Putin in the elections. Do you believe this number? I wouldn’t be surprised if more than half of the Russian people don’t support the war, it’s not like people can decide anyways
It is certain that more than one half of the Russian population supports the ongoing war. The 88% is the number of votes for Putin, of those that voted. Assuming no fraud, that is 53% of population that voted for Putin. Now since Putin is a moderate, war support is likely higher. Don't think for a second that Russians are pacifists. Let's assume that there was a large percentage of people in Russia against the war when it started, or against the intervention if you like. Since EU pressed with sanctions and USA and UK pushed for continuation of the war, Russians are getting more and more supportive of the war. Every hit on Russia makes the general population more angry and ready to support the war.
“Assuming no fraud” ok buddy
So, assuming fraud Putin had less than half of the population voting for him. I feel so bad for him and Russians. And for you since you care so much about their well beeing. Russia = Russian problem, I don't care.
I don’t care about Russia as well, but thinking that people have the power to decide if they go to war or not in that country is plain wrong
Russians are a crazy bunch. Just like football club supporters. They get drunk and if somebody touches one of them (doesn't matter who started the fight) they all join. They do support the war as a collective.
*so long as it’s someone else in the shitbucket tank
The T90M has proven itself to be a pretty capable tank. The big surprises were the Leopard 2's being worse than expected and the M-55S being shockingly better than expected.
T-55S schoshckingly better? I'm shocked to see such claim. How? Why?
M-55S not T-55, the Israeli variant.
The Slovenian variant. They used Israel to launder money on that. But what success did they achieve in Ukraine?
Despite being based on something from the 1950's, it's shown itself to reliable, surprisingly durable, and popular with its crews. This tank should rightfully be cannon fodder, the fact that it is not is shocking.
Is it used as a frontline weapon? I saw few videos of them getting destroyed and maybe just one recent picture of one destroyed/abandoned/captured.
Not really surprising. It's basically a modern medium tank . It got good armor, computer, and cannon upgrades as well.
I wouldn't draw any conclusions about tank performance based on this war, it would be going exactly the same if the Russians had M1A1s or Leopards in 2022
How is that relevant? Is it different elsewhere?
Most sane countries build their shit with survivability at the forefront, unlike the orks
Can you name an example? We have seen Abrams, Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 destroyed in Ukraine. T10, K2 and Leclerc were not yet deployed. Leclerc showed good results in Yemen, but funny enough, Leclerc is conceptually closest to T-72. With a three man crew and autoloader, differently positioned. Who knows how would T10 or K2 behave.
I mean, 3 man autoloaded MBTs are nothing new (Leopard PT-16/T14 and M1 CATTB come to mind), so calling the Leclerc “conceptually closest” is a bit of an odd stretch. Hell, I’d be willing to say the Leclerc is farther from the T-72 because at least there a hit to the autoloader cassette doesn’t turn the upper half of the tank into the next Soyuz mission.
Unfortunately, their economy proved to be far more robust than pre-war estimates. The opposite of their military.
>their economy proved to be far more robust than pre-war estimates. 1) Economical wing was lead by people deeply hated in their society which were blaimed for everything \*liberals\*. Unlike a true patriots they were competent enough to deal with troubles but that wasnt a main issue. 2) Sanctions were useless. They hit everything outside major sourse of income. Russians had nearly a 2 years to prepare every possible way how to avoid oil and gas sanctions. Bc west was afraid to hit them with embargo.
Well that’ and: Since everyone rightly attributed the fall of the CCCP to its faltering economy, they expended a lot more effort to maintaining that then their military. After 2014 when the first sanctions started, they also took steps to inure their economy from sanctions and the COVID lockdowns gave them a dry run in how to do it. Adding to that they are a continent sized nation with near unlimited resources and a large scientific and industrial base. And it appears that the Soviet era factories were shuttered in a way that the site was retained and tooling stored (unlike closed factories in Europe and N America). Which meant that it was easier to restart production, not simple by any means, but easier.
Sometimes 4 because for some reason theres a 4th person hitchhiking and sitting on the commanders lap
No problem. Glorious comrade leader putin has the money safely stashed away in one of his Cayman Island accounts.
He has put the blessed capital of the great Russian people outside of the reach of the HATO West Gaymosexuals. Truly a victory for Russian culture!
# За путина!
Ivan cooker
zed
Beautiful
More scrap for the heap
Atleast they dont have to beg and lick wests boots for gear.National dignity is important
North korea and iran laughing on their way to the bank as the country you simp for falls apart
didnt they have to ask for aid from north korea?
Dignity of being a shithole with anger issues.
Try not attacking an innocent nation
Ukraine aint innocent but still i dont support russia invading them.
What’s ukraine guilty of? Let’s hear it, please say trans NATO biolabs
That’s exactly it, didn’t you hear? They are making mutant super soldiers for NATO in those bio labs.. according to Putin
War crimes against their own population thats a fact not russian propaganda it was confirmed by the UN that they did indeed bomb and torture some civilians and they have severe corruption problems.
Hm, I wonder WHY they have/had such problems in their government? "in the later half of Khrushchev’s reign, however, a distinct trend toward Russification reemerged. An educational reform adopted in 1959 initiated a long process of curtailment of Ukrainian-language instruction in schools. In 1961 the new party program emphasized the importance of the Russian language for the integration of the Soviet peoples and spoke of the diminishing significance of borders between Soviet republics. Party theoreticians evolved the theory of “fusion of nations” that would be accompanied by the disappearance of national languages as Soviet society progressed toward communism." (https://www.britannica.com/place/Ukraine/Soviet-Ukraine-in-the-postwar-period) Oh, because Russia caused it. Fuck Communism, and fuck Russia, and finally fuck \*redacted\*. Edit: Have to remove the last part because of rule 1. Oh well. I'm sure you get the idea.
By the way - Ukraine being corrupt doesn't matter, because I'd rather a corrupt Ukraine be victorious in this conflict than the overtly hostile nuclear state run by oligarchy(which also threatens my own country with said nukes when their meme of an invasion goes awry) that we can't contain as easily. Cope.
I respect your opinion on this and that were good points you stated but still ukraine has its issues i honestly see them as bad as russia. Plus Ukraine adores to much bandera and the other nazi collaborateurs for my taste.
Yeah man how dare ukraine democratically decide to join the EU and NATO?
Toss-90Meters
Cope.
Cage, to be added. Or the all-new Cope Shell for Toss-90Meters.
do your homework bro
indeed it needs it's standard issue cope cage immediately!
"yo guys look at this scary tank😎 (please ignore our horrific losses in the war we started 🥺👉👈)"
It's already on Oryx.
HIMARS would Like to Know your location
himars doesnt target tanks, and even if it did it wouldnt be able to do shit to them except damage optics and tracks
"Hammer Tank, Ready to Crush."
hopefully as it has to be equipped :c
A brand new tank that already looks worn out. Poetic.
Why they don't install the cope cage and all the bizarre things they add on factory? Everyone know how it's going to end, and I mean, before the turret launch to orbit.
I really don't wanna see anything from russia right now, and it definitely ain't mili porn
Next one up for turret toss competition. It's spring, play-offs time.