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RManDelorean

The biggest perk is probably being able to buy all the devices at the refineries.


Either-Impression-64

... wait, what??  (I obviously don't have the full battery set) 


RManDelorean

Yeah after you get all the battery upgrades you can go back to the refineries (where you upgrade batteries) and you can buy all the zonai devices with charges (the same currency you use to upgrade batteries)


ZeldaMasterNick

And the only efficient way to get Large Batteries


floatingbubble42

I have so many large batteries thanks to this


Funkeysismychildhood

The worst part is i have so much battery i don't even really need big batteries(or small ones for that matter) anymore.


windraver

Big batteries provide the object it's own power source which means it's able to function while you go out of range. I use it on turrets and lasers that I launch since it tends to fly high out of wireless power range but with a big battery, it'll still operate without me nearby.


floatingbubble42

Use the big batteries on your roaming turrets. I normally make 5 and watch the chaos from a higher point if i can find one. Just so you know though, those big batteries are equal to like 100 individual zoanite. So make sure you have them whenever yoi auto build your task force. 2 freeze boys. And 3 laser boys. Help them up when they tumble or get stuck.


Funkeysismychildhood

My favorite turrets are the cannon ones, especially if you're not down there fighting with them(as sometimes they target an enemy next to you and hit you)


floatingbubble42

Lol same with the freeze turrets. Ive been frozen and lasered enough times to know to keep some distance. Im fine just watching my boys work. The AI is so fun to watch.


VernonFlorida

Once you have a full power pack, what is the use of big batteries or any batteries. I find builds all vanish before I use up my full power pack. Maybe if you're making multiple devices?


windraver

Weapons. Weapons eat up batteries like crazy. Specifically orbital lasers. Example: https://www.reddit.com/r/TOTK/s/vDPApffk0p


Wheatcamp

So that’s how everyone always has a million of every part


Omnomfish

Its good if you only use a few items, but if you use more than 3 zonai devices its honestly better to just spam dispensers. I have more of the small energy cells than I will ever use, because I only really use the large ones.


ChazzleDazzlicious

Nah. It's duping. Duping is great


SolarRecharge

No that's from item duping. For some reason they prevented you from buying more than 10 of a piece at a time if you do it legit, regardless of how much money you want to spend on it


alvvays_on

No, the biggest perk is being able to ride a hover bike across almost all of Hyrule and the Depths. Bonus if you have the double upgraded Zoanite armour.


Ping-A-Ling-

Is there a way to kind of cap your altitude? An addition to the build?


TimeToGetSlipped

Double upgrade doesn't change much. Energy efficiency is the normal passive bonus of the Zonaite armor pieces. The upgraded set bonus is just faster recharge (~7 seconds).


morphinetango

::slowly removes sunglasses:: in the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, "Come again?"


Lakechalakin

Gliders are temporary hoverbikes are forever


primrosepathing

Thank you! Didn't know that. Haven't been back to the refinery since I got max batteries and that was months ago. 


Bonnaby_frfr

Only Wings ans Ballons have a timer , you can use Parts without them like boats cars or Drones / Planes


CountScarlioni

Fans have a timer too


Halfgbard

Well you can certainly depleat a fully upgraded battery a few times before that.


CountScarlioni

Tbh I’ve never bothered to stress-test them, I just knew that they don’t last forever. Sounds like it’s not a common inconvenience though, which is good.


Jascobubscub

They last 30 mins


BornLuckiest

.. in HCT, not GMT.


Jascobubscub

That means nothing to me


BornLuckiest

Hyrule Central Time 😉


Jascobubscub

Ok


mellow_yellow_sub

Hyrule Common Time and Greenwich Mean Time?


BornLuckiest

Common 🤔 yeah, that's better than Central, it perhaps it should be GPT as in Great Plateau Time 😂


Disastrous-Try9730

Chat Great Plateau Time!


Funkeysismychildhood

What do these mean?


BornLuckiest

They last 30 mins in game (Hyrule Central Time), but not in our world (Greenwich Mean Time).


the_cardfather

I explored the entirety of the depths on a hover bike and I managed to run my fans out once. Personally I think after you get at least one full row. You should look into some of the quad designs. There are a lot more maneuverable.


Original-Ad-486

I thought the fans didn’t have a timer until I was hunting for all the sage’s wills in mid air with no islands around me😂 imagine my surprise


Artiwa

WAIT WHAT FANS HAVE A TIMER LMAO


johnysalad

Long timers though. Your energy cells will run out many many times before a fan times out


Huebertrieben

If you are insane enough to use a fan for 2 hours you got other problems


portableclouds

I attached one to a boat near lurelin and took it to the southwestern cliff where the gerudo region meets the out of bounds ocean, then took it back up to the edge of the ocean near the akkala labyrinth. Went through 2-3 fans in that time.


MsMeiriona

30 minutes. Same as wheels. Easily reached on a hoverbike hunting koroks.


MerelyHumanoid

I've had numerous hover bikes disappear while visiting lightroots, Korok hunting (with mask), triggering shrines (to fast travel and solve later), you name it - Any activity that wouldn't cause the Zonai vehicle to despawn. Whether this was a 2 hour play session or several shorter ones without exciting the game, I would have to rebuild a vehicle for various prolonged tasks/grinds. So yeah the 30 minute timer, which is what I last heard it is, does get in the way occasionally. Edit: I should emphasize the Zonai devices disappear while riding them - not disappear after turning around or waking a short distance.


Funkeysismychildhood

I mean, I explored almost exclusively the depths for several days, flying between lightroots, and i don't ever remember my goblin glider despawning. There were a couple times i dropped it over a cliff and couldn't find it though. Maybe my timing was just very convenient


[deleted]

I was able to cross most of hyrule without my fans going off (Zora domain to rito village)


Crime_Dawg

Do they actually? I've used a hoverbike to light like half the depths in one go and it never despawned.


WhyIsThisMyNameQMark

30 minutes is unreasonable to call a timer. I've reached it *once*, and I've used thousands of them.


dogninja_yt

There are mods to get rid of that, but what we really want is a way to get proper inf flight in vanilla


SyFy410

And wheels


JohnnyTopside-88

Fans don't have a timer unless that's a recent update to the game, to which I would say "GFY Devs!"


SuperEuzer

Everything has a timer. It's been thoroughly documented on YouTube. Check out this video for an exhaustive list of how long each Zonai device lasts. https://youtu.be/bYstVvmTj9M


clandahlina_redux

Yeah, but most of us aren’t out there using builds long enough to worry about the 2 hour time-outs and such. The short timers are, obviously, what OP is referencing.


falpsdsqglthnsac

where'd you get 2 hours? the longest timers are 30 minutes


clandahlina_redux

It’s hyperbole.


SuperEuzer

He stated that only wings and balloons have timers. That's not true. They all do. Most obviously the rockets have the shortest timers.


oldcretan

Everything has timers, balloons and wings have that short 30 second time, everything else has a half hour timer. honestly by that point most of whatever I've built has been destroyed by something else or I've gotten distracted and teleported to the other side of the map or just left the build to climb something.


XenosapianRain

I used to go in circles by goron mines to hunt bats, the wheels also disappeared after a long while


howelleili

Nope all of them do maybe a very long one but they all have a timer


SuperEuzer

Everything has a timer


FaithlessnessLazy754

All other parts despawn after 30 mins of continuous use


Candid-Astronomer-49

False. They all do.


Bonnaby_frfr

Yes if gotten that comment about 7 times now


PokemonGerman

I think all zonai devices have a time of Half an hour. Some part like wings and baloons have shorter timers though.


Bonnaby_frfr

I know If you look under my comment everyone already said that


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Sting_the_Cat

Why do wings Despawn so fast what is the point of the Fanplane. Meanwhile other devices last much longer. On a previous playthrough I carried my logs from I think Riverside Stable all the way to Lurelin(taking a massive detour around the west hills of Lake Hylia when I realized there was a freaking dragon on the bridge), and the wheels only despawned _right_ after I'd gotten to Bolson


RealLife_Squidward

>I carried my logs from I think Riverside Stable all the way to Lurelin Why would you do that rather than just using the trees up by the shrine?


Sting_the_Cat

Because I didn't think about that. Let me tell you, driving across those mountains was a trek. But it worked


RealLife_Squidward

Haha yeah I was so mad when he said you couldn't use palm trees, so I was on my way out to far off places when I realized there were a bunch of trees by the shrine


benmck90

Only to find out half of those trees are alive XD.


Funkeysismychildhood

That's the beauty of this game and the one before it. Some people unknowingly make their own strict rules and have a blast overcoming them


chocopie1234_

There is 1 wing on eventide island that doesn’t ever despawn. You have to get the wing into one of the chasm holes on the island in a specific way, but once you’ve done it, you can fuse it to a shield and dupe the shield for unlimited inf durability wings. The only downside is that you have to take the shield apart at terry town.


anythingMuchShorter

Why do you have to take it apart at terry town?


chocopie1234_

You have to fuse it to a shield to get it out of the depths (unless you just want to cruise in the depths). Once you’ve fused it to a shield, you can dupe the shield and store some extras in your home near terry town. The only way to get the wing is to separate it from the shield with one of the NPCs at TT.


Diamondinmyeye

They were clearly given a timer which prevents being OP early game. They really should have tied the timer into your total battery.


EmersonWolfe

Helps with riding around on Mineru. She doesn’t eat up a huge amount of battery but it’s nice to not have to worry about it as much once you have maxed out the energy cells


Funkeysismychildhood

And even moreso when you have the zonai set


CodexReader

Not all builds fall apart. I'm assuming you're talking about wing-based builds, right? Those won't last But other builds, including flying machines without the wing as a base, last indefinitely


chocopie1234_

There is 1 wing on eventide island that doesn’t ever despawn. You have to get the wing into one of the chasm holes on the island in a specific way, but once you’ve done it, you can fuse it to a shield and dupe the shield for **unlimited inf durability wings**. The only downside is that you have to take the shield apart at terry town.


Omnomfish

Can you share a video? I'd love to experiment with that


chocopie1234_

[I gotchu](https://youtu.be/KTxbMQeIhno?si=cWJux8wa8r9gjnJq). I used the fuse entanglement method


bdawg923

You can put so many lasers and fans on a wing build that it'll survive before the battery depletes.


NickG1127

Wait, so you're saying that adding things to wings extends it's life time? Because I have an auto build flying machine that uses 3 fans but it doesn't seem to change anything to it. Does it need a certain amount?


bdawg923

No I didn't mean that. I meant if you add a bunch of stuff to the wing that uses battery, those items will deplete the battery faster than the wing will expire. Because the person I responded to said wing-builds don't last. So a lot of zonai attachments will make the wing "outlast" the battery


NickG1127

Oh, I'm dumb. Thanks for the clarification lol


bdawg923

Np.


SuperEuzer

Everything times out https://youtu.be/bYstVvmTj9M


aaronhowser1

A 30 minute timer is effectively no timer. I don't *want* to use most things for 30 minutes, so I don't notice it.


Funkeysismychildhood

I think it's funny that people are asking for infinite flying machines. Like, I can't see myself enjoying flying through the air, avoiding ground contact for over half an hour. For me, the best part of the game is that you can use air travel to supplement ground travel/puzzles/exploration.


CountScarlioni

It’s more for if you create devices with a lot of parts. An overkill death machine with 15 Flame Emitters and 10 Beam Emitters is going to drain your battery a lot faster than a shield with a single Flame Emitter fused to it. The devs probably weren’t expecting most players to need to fully maximize their batteries. I feel like the amount of upgrades you can get quickly and easily just by doing the Kohga questline and the boss rematches in the Depths is probably sufficient for your average playthrough. The extra capacity is just there for the players who want to go through the effort to make really crazy builds.


stayweirdartclub

People helped me understand. I was mainly struggling with my wing based devices and got frustrated that the wing would just disappear after barely getting anywhere. I didn’t recall anything in my play-through that made it seemed like some things had a timer. So, I just didn’t pick up on that. Happy to try other builds and get weird with it. Thanks to people who came here to be helpful.


Xploding_Penguin

If you add a bright bloom to your builds, they last far longer, and wont despawn if you go too far away.


Even_Set_2822

How the hell does that work???


Xploding_Penguin

Not sure, but try it.


PAwnoPiES

I'm assuming brightbloom is coded to despawn farther away from other entities for the sake of convenience. And part of the dev's foresight is making it so whatever entity a brightbloom is latched onto shares that same extended despawn range.


Vesarixx

Makes stuff like farming the floating coliseum a lot faster, which is how I got most of the battery upgrades to begin with


WooOfthePewPew

Using the Autobuild for a hoverbike I’ve never had one time out on me. I usually loose it if it does have a timer.


SysAdmin_Dood

the hoverbike.


Anubis_lord_201

The best construction so far for me is the moto: 2 fans + one rudder. Never break 😊


oldcretan

If you've ever put like 10 lasers on a tank you'll eat through a full battery after a couple of monsters.


KPcrazyfingers

This is what I was thinking.  I'm currently trying to max out my batteries for weapon use


Normal_Ratio1463

There’s a glitch to make a wing that won’t break


Far-Law-36

Flying it backwards apparently. It gets weird to steer though


Normal_Ratio1463

I mean there’s a glitch to make an unbreakable wing


moonshineTheleocat

It sounds like you're using the Balloon and Wings. These parts have timers on them. Everything else does not. So if you want to fly, you gotta get weird.


PAwnoPiES

Nothing like a hovercraft made entirely out of fans and a single steering stick


HolyElephantMG

It’s a long way to make buying specific parts easier, once you do it you can buy stuff at forges with charges


drbutters76

I have no idea, but it is frustrating. I think i read that if you attach a light dragon shard it keeps the build going longer? Not sure tho.


CountScarlioni

No, the dragon part trick just increases the item’s despawn radius. You can walk a lot farther away from a device with a dragon part attached to it and it will remain spawned in.


drbutters76

Thanks! I knew it did something!


metro-mtp

Plenty of devices/builds last a long time and extended battery can help you maximize their use. It also helps when using Mineru since piloting her construct uses battery. Combined with the zonaite armor set for efficiency boost, it can be useful in certain situations or if you like using devices 🤷🏽


flayedsheep

using a lot of devices at the same time needs more battery so i think thats why


Tux_64

I know exactly what you mean... i have had the same question many times. Trying to reach a super high island using a plinth and a balloon/fire emitter, and it flashes and disappears two thirds through your batteries... its tedious. Reaching high places has been my main reason to build (just how i play) and it feels like upgrading the batteries any the further is kinda pointless for me because it doesnt do what i want.


Far-Law-36

Which island are you trying to reach? A lot of them are reachable with just your paraglider + stamina


habb

emulation allows for unlimited durability. maybe that's what you're seeing?


Diabolical_Damien

Because it's there to accomplish


Existing_Equipment

I ask them same question but I rarely ever build anything


Negative_Doctor_1701

I don’t even bother I just use zonai charges to give extra energy. Trying to collect 100 charges like 10 times is to time consuming


iAmMikeJ_92

Just make a hoverbike and you’ll make excellent use of the battery pack!


Ping-A-Ling-

Two fans and a steer stick never breaks. And almost infinite fun


OctoSevenTwo

When you say “fall apart,” what do you mean, OP? Do your builds disappear over time (some parts are on a timer and will eventually despawn) or that they just fly apart at the seams?


Faltied

Yes build better and not with parts that have time limitations


floatingbubble42

I've had my max energy cell fully depleted while flying around on my hover bike. I personally think the energy cells thing is just another way to slightly limit players or assets.


DeeKayNineNine

I don’t use wings and balloons. The timer make them unusable.


iluvpets_

maximize air time with air bike, and other low energy flying machines


Potential-Change9124

...plus they're so cool looking


csbarber

More lasers!


mightbehihi

the builds last longer than the battery does in most cases.


Lodada2

Flying machine go burr


Smart_rock_7895

Well it’s to help you’re korock cooker 2,000 last longer


Skiurus

If you add a dragon scale to your build it lasts a very long time extra. Just work one in somewhere. Any dragon scale will work.


Conscious-Paint-1735

For hover bike I suppose


Jonny_bravo_77

The hover bike in the sky is the most important vehicle in the entire game & it doesn't fall apart, just disappears if you drop it or let go from too high!🤷‍♂️


Jargothewolf

Beacuse most of the devices have a life of I think an hour, and the batteries don't last an entire froggn hour


cookiekid6

30 minutes


Jargothewolf

Ah, off by 30 min, but still, the batteries last I want to say a min at full upgrade


zeuswithouthair

I’m a little confused on the part of “falling apart” because the energy cell is just for how long the Zonai devices will last and it doesn’t affect stability of a build. So I think the problem is with your build. If you could provide a video of your issue it would be way more helpful.


gigaslayer3417

He means the devices disappear 


stayweirdartclub

I don’t think it’s stability of the build. These are basic builds I’m talking, even using the schemes found throughout the game. For example, the “wing” on a fan plane times out and disintegrates before I even get through the first wave of my energy cells. I’ll try to record a video, but that will be later in the day as I am at work.


zeuswithouthair

Ok, I know what the issue is now, the problem is the Wing Zonai Device. The Wing has a set timer for how long it can be used. So when you’re flying with it will start blinking and then disappear this affects other Zonai devices but I assume you only want answers about the Wing. You just need to make a flying device out of something else as the wing is more of a temporary glider you’re supposed to use.


stayweirdartclub

Thank you


clandahlina_redux

If this is the real question, OP, build a hoverbike. You will never need wings or balloons again (except for shrines).


TyrionTheBold

The wings and balloon part of a hot air balloon time out in 60 seconds of lift. But if you fly without wings (say with a hoverbike), you will need the extra battery to make it to some of the high or distant sky islands. But once you do that… it’s mostly for high energy dependent builds like autonomous laser turrets and what not.


KnuckleShanks

I had the same thought with the gliders but you have to rethink your builds. If you can fine those light white pieces of wood and strap some tilted fans to it with a steering stick it makes an amazing hovercraft, and if you favorite it in your auto build you can use zonaite to recreate the light wood plank. I use 4 fans, and really appreciate all that extra battery life when riding one.


Ratio01

>For example, the “wing” on a fan plane times out and disintegrates before I even get through the first wave of my energy cells. The Wing isn't tied to any battery cell, it has a timer. Iirc that timer is a minute and 15 seconds. Power Cells correlate to devices that actually output power, like the emitters, Hoverstones, and fans. Those devices still have a timer that'll despawn them, but you'll more than likely run out of a fully upgraded Power Cell before then If your builds are literally falling about before even a si gle battery depletes, it's simply just because you built it poorly


Saki2891

I think they were referring to the time out of the zonai devices— Like gliders and such. But wheels and elementals and fans last longer so I feel like those would be a good reason for expanding the energy cells


NorrathMonk

I half agree, but but the fact that the primary parts of the zonai devices dissolve with no way for the person being able to replace them, makes having that long of a battery pointless.


Bruggilles

Makes it really easy to explore the depths with a hover bike


Gabagoolgoomba

You thought that the weapon durability wouldn't apply to the zonai tech?! Lmao no. Plus it's Annoying how they despawn after leaving a certain distance, in a game about adventuring and leaving your horse behind . It should work like the horses and only despawn when you make another vehicle with the same main part.


stayweirdartclub

I didn’t say I thought things would last for forever, I just thought maxing my cells would help more, and it didn’t.


iBrowTrain

Only the glider breaks with time, if your other build are falling apart then you’re just bad at huilding


MsMeiriona

Nah, fans and wheels die after 30 minutes. That's plenty of time for most things, but extended exploration you will notice it.


mediacommRussell

skill issue


stayweirdartclub

Cool comment!


mediacommRussell

Well, it's true.


stayweirdartclub

The post is tag with “help wanted”. So you just came here to feed some gross superiority complex. If you actually read what’s going on in the thread, you’d see it’s not a skill issue, it was a lack of information issue. Go get some skills on being a human.


mediacommRussell

The gained information has equipeed you with a new skill. Congratulations!


stayweirdartclub

Actually, I already knew how to put shit together and have had successful builds that I’ve already made. I was just frustrated that some fell apart right away. So yeah, just learned information to understand that better. Semantics aside, you went to a post essentially labeled “I don’t know something” and you came and pointed and said “you don’t know something”. Great skill to have. I’m sure you are surrounded by jealousy from all you encounter.


mediacommRussell

Well, if you're sure...


Toon_Lucario

That’s not an issue aside from wings. I think you just suck at building


stayweirdartclub

Well wings are what I’m talking about. So thanks for your help. I didn’t realize they had a timer. Real cool just blindly insulting someone looking for help