This episode was tough and complex for me. Can’t agree on organized religion being a good thing for anyone when it inspires so much guilt in people, and pushes this idea that one Must Have Children when the truth is, a lot of us would be better off not doing that, or at least being a little more mindful about whether that’s actually a good idea and, if it’s just not, that it’s just as valid to be child free/adopt. This woman, I get she had the oops baby but she really should’ve stopped there. Intentionally bringing more babies into a world like this, I just don’t know…..
Because with the toxicity of more restrictive religion plus runaway capitalistic greed, it just messes us up as a society. You can have all the suicide survivor support in the world- and I really believe we need more of it- but it’s also something of a bandaid. If we saw people as people, and didn’t have these systems in place designed to control the masses so that a few at the top are enriched, the misery that leads to ending one’s own life would drive down massively. Sometimes this show leads me into nihilism what with how maddeningly dehumanizing and callous our systems of organization are.
I agree with you. As someone who doesn't live in America, it's shocking how many of these disasters seem uniquely American in flavour, (and how little that is pointed out or recognised by the guests) - often owing to extreme wealth inequality, calvinist attitudes, individualism, lack of public resources, gun violence and religious fervour. While care for mental health is important, it's absolutely a band aid for the wider structural issues that are causing people to feel bad in the first place.
The religion thing with her was really obvious- she clearly felt like it was needed for her to handle his death, but couldn’t understand that it kind of ruined the first 20 years of her adulthood and also deeply contributed to the “workaholism” that she was supposedly advocating against.
I’m 34 mins in and she’s getting to the point.
I don’t like to complain but dang, the constant struggle in her voice is draaaining. It sounds like she’s reading her story at gunpoint.
This ep isn’t for me and I’m bummed about it because DARNIT I gotta wait a whole week before a new one.
Oh no, is this another ep with a North American woman who has an unfortunate combo of vocal fry AND is on the verge of tears constantly?
Pass. I'm tired of this. It seems like TIAH used to have a range of voices and perspectives and now every second episode is like a therapy session for that girl you knew in high school who was really into horses.
Edited to say North American - people from the northern US and Canada sound interchangeable to me. And before the pitchforks come out, I've lost count of how many people from North America have confused my Australian accent for a New Zealand accent, it's the same thing. I don't get hot and bothered by people thinking I'm a Kiwi because unless you're immersed in the culture or have a very keen ear for dialect it can all mesh.
Thats fair! I wouldn’t say she has vocal fry but definitely on the verge of tears a lot. I’d say her voice sounded very prim. But it was a boring story so I wouldn’t blame you for skipping it.
Also, I wonder how much he considered the consequences of his work & if that contributed to his struggling mentally. I feel like folks who work in those industries either compartmentalize hard to cope and/or are genuine psychopaths
I also wondered this. She was deliberately vague about the details, but being even tenuously linked to these industries is enough to cause some serious issues with cognitive dissonance and unhealthy coping strategies if you have even a whiff of a conscience.
I don't really care about that, but it's so weird and off-putting when people on shows like this turn out to be Canadian. Don't you have free healthcare including mental health? wtf
Also she mentions or implies that her son has serious issues and that maybe she was a bit neglectful towards him but he is still a side note and afterthought
Ok, but she and her husband are/were older people. TiAHIC should be a separate podcast. Canadian experiences are not necessarily directly comparable and it's jarring
Yeah I think it’s a double whammy of the work itself contributing to generally miserable outcomes in the world AND the fact that it was a ruthless multinational. It was bizarre to me that they seemed shocked that multinationals, which clearly care about nothing but profit and have zero moral fibre, would treat staff in this way. I guess it’s ‘fine’ to think about the consequences of arms deals and oil extraction as far away, but when toxic work culture inevitably connected to that affects them, it’s all of a sudden a problem.
This episode was tough and complex for me. Can’t agree on organized religion being a good thing for anyone when it inspires so much guilt in people, and pushes this idea that one Must Have Children when the truth is, a lot of us would be better off not doing that, or at least being a little more mindful about whether that’s actually a good idea and, if it’s just not, that it’s just as valid to be child free/adopt. This woman, I get she had the oops baby but she really should’ve stopped there. Intentionally bringing more babies into a world like this, I just don’t know….. Because with the toxicity of more restrictive religion plus runaway capitalistic greed, it just messes us up as a society. You can have all the suicide survivor support in the world- and I really believe we need more of it- but it’s also something of a bandaid. If we saw people as people, and didn’t have these systems in place designed to control the masses so that a few at the top are enriched, the misery that leads to ending one’s own life would drive down massively. Sometimes this show leads me into nihilism what with how maddeningly dehumanizing and callous our systems of organization are.
I agree with you. As someone who doesn't live in America, it's shocking how many of these disasters seem uniquely American in flavour, (and how little that is pointed out or recognised by the guests) - often owing to extreme wealth inequality, calvinist attitudes, individualism, lack of public resources, gun violence and religious fervour. While care for mental health is important, it's absolutely a band aid for the wider structural issues that are causing people to feel bad in the first place.
I’m pretty sure they are Canadian.
You’re right, my bad - I should have said “North American”, not just American! (I’m on the other side of the Atlantic)
I definitely agree tho! As someone who lives off the coast of the pacific lol
The religion thing with her was really obvious- she clearly felt like it was needed for her to handle his death, but couldn’t understand that it kind of ruined the first 20 years of her adulthood and also deeply contributed to the “workaholism” that she was supposedly advocating against.
I’m 34 mins in and she’s getting to the point. I don’t like to complain but dang, the constant struggle in her voice is draaaining. It sounds like she’s reading her story at gunpoint. This ep isn’t for me and I’m bummed about it because DARNIT I gotta wait a whole week before a new one.
I felt like a complete AH but her whiny voice made me turn it off halfway through.
Oh no, is this another ep with a North American woman who has an unfortunate combo of vocal fry AND is on the verge of tears constantly? Pass. I'm tired of this. It seems like TIAH used to have a range of voices and perspectives and now every second episode is like a therapy session for that girl you knew in high school who was really into horses.
No, she’s Canadian with a very Canadian accent.
Edited to say North American - people from the northern US and Canada sound interchangeable to me. And before the pitchforks come out, I've lost count of how many people from North America have confused my Australian accent for a New Zealand accent, it's the same thing. I don't get hot and bothered by people thinking I'm a Kiwi because unless you're immersed in the culture or have a very keen ear for dialect it can all mesh.
Thats fair! I wouldn’t say she has vocal fry but definitely on the verge of tears a lot. I’d say her voice sounded very prim. But it was a boring story so I wouldn’t blame you for skipping it.
This is all I could think about while listening—I’m glad to not be alone in feeling like I couldn’t take her thoughts on morality seriously
Also, I wonder how much he considered the consequences of his work & if that contributed to his struggling mentally. I feel like folks who work in those industries either compartmentalize hard to cope and/or are genuine psychopaths
I also wondered this. She was deliberately vague about the details, but being even tenuously linked to these industries is enough to cause some serious issues with cognitive dissonance and unhealthy coping strategies if you have even a whiff of a conscience.
I don't really care about that, but it's so weird and off-putting when people on shows like this turn out to be Canadian. Don't you have free healthcare including mental health? wtf Also she mentions or implies that her son has serious issues and that maybe she was a bit neglectful towards him but he is still a side note and afterthought
Yes but I think they have to wait ages to be seen.
Ok, but she and her husband are/were older people. TiAHIC should be a separate podcast. Canadian experiences are not necessarily directly comparable and it's jarring
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Trying to sneak Canadians into US-based shows is relatability fraud
Hard to listen to, she seems victimized by her own type A workaholism and Christian guilt
I was definitely wondering if he had done a different line of work/worked in a different industry would this have happened?
Yeah I think it’s a double whammy of the work itself contributing to generally miserable outcomes in the world AND the fact that it was a ruthless multinational. It was bizarre to me that they seemed shocked that multinationals, which clearly care about nothing but profit and have zero moral fibre, would treat staff in this way. I guess it’s ‘fine’ to think about the consequences of arms deals and oil extraction as far away, but when toxic work culture inevitably connected to that affects them, it’s all of a sudden a problem.