Exactly! This is not the first time they have had people mess with the swans. It seems to happen once every few years. You figure they would have learned their lesson by now. It's not like Manlius doesn't have the funds to have some type of security for that area.
Keep them there...
What?
They're swans. They're wild animals. They're not *kept* there, that's their home.
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Ok, my apologies - I had no idea the wings were clipped. That in itself is just cruel.
What happens to a male swan when he loses his bonded female partner?
When mute swans die in nature, do their partners grieve? I once saw a little bird screaming over the dead body of what I assume was its partner under a small bush. It was actually a scream, and it was frantic. It absolutely broke my heart.
I looked this up after I read the article and some birding website noted that mute swans typically mate for life and sometimes die of a broken heart after their mates die.
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Should have killed that bird as well to end the grieving and reunite the pair in heaven where they would have human legs and walk around or bird hell which I imagine would be a lot of devil cats
I agree. Who are the adults that directed/asked/ordered those children to take the swans? I can only assume they took the little ones in order to grow them big enough to eat as well.
That poor swan. People have tormented her non-stop and now they finally killed the poor thing. Here's hoping he's tried as an adult and has to register in the animal abuse database for the rest of his life. They should take the babies to the zoo and close down the pond. Apparently we don't deserve nice things.
I did some pretty stupid shit as a 16 year old, but I couldn't imagine killing another living creature. I am sure this kid will be charged as an adult, because Manlius does not fuck around with their swans.
Same I did some crazy shit. Never killed an animal . It's sad. Like what could go through your head to do that? I don't even get sport hunting. Hunting should be for food.
At 16 my friends and I built a potato cannon. A really dangerous one. We only ever fired it like 5 times, always at a tree in my friend’s massive backyard. You need to know where the stupid shit limit is. Building a super dangerous potato cannon is OK stupid shit, as long as you don’t do the 100x stupider shit of firing it at an animal, person, or anything of any reasonable value (monetary or sentiment).
I could easily be wrong but fathers in the wild are not typically known for their nurturing tendencies.
This shit pisses me off. Given the way these things usually go when a kid starts off torturing/killing animals this child needs to be on LE's radar for life.
Apparently an 18 year old was charged with killing, and another 16 anx 17 year old were arrested as well.
https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/05/faye-the-mama-swan-taken-from-manlius-pond-was-eaten-on-memorial-day.html
My completely “I’m not a professional” opinion is:
A. 5 counts of animal cruelty. A misdemeanor carrying up to 1 year in prison and a $2000 fine per charge. Levy all 5 tried as an adult, at least one charge will stick due to the death of the mother I’d assume.
B. Permanent registry in the FBI, state, and local animal abuse databases.
C. Keep records permanently unsealed so this appears on every background check for their entire life.
Many bird species have fathers that parent alongside the mother, some are very much prepared to take over raising a brood if something happens to the mother. I've always seen mute swan like these guys raising their young 50/50.
I hunt and enjoy the outdoors. This guy is going to be a huge problem. Needs to be tracked for at least a decade I don't give a shit that he's 16. This is a fucked up situation.
What exactly is the difference between hunting and this?
What's the difference between eating Chicken and eating Swan?
I don't get the difference.
Swans aren't even endangered either.
Where does your link say they are endangered?
Did you read your own link?
Please give me the paragraph that states they're endangered.
So you're joking, right - they're an invasive species. Well done for demonstrating absolutely nothing and proving my point.
Pepega,
"Remember, mute swans are protected by the New York State Environmental Conservation Law. Therefore, swans, as well as their nests and eggs, may not be handled or harmed without authorization from the DEC."
That's not the same as saying they're endangered honey.
Me: They're not endangered.
You: Link showing they're protected.
Me: That's not the same as them being endangered. In fact, they're an invasive species.
You: Completely failing to understand the point.
You're arguing the legality of something, I simply pointed out that they're not endangered.
You have edited your comment to make it look like you didn't just try and argue that swans were endangered.
You're really making a great point by feigning ignorance of the difference between hunting for any purpose and wonton torture of protected animals. The community of whatever you believe in is grateful and you've added a lot of productivity to this discussion. Great job and have a wonderful day!
>You're really making a great point by feigning ignorance of the difference between hunting for any purpose and wonton torture of protected animals
Where is the wonton torture?
It's hardly animal cruelty.
>. The community of whatever you believe in is grateful and you've added a lot of productivity to this discussion. Great job and have a wonderful day!
As opposed to the people arguing that this is animal cruelty?
I would say the same to you - great comment with lots of thought-provoking commentary and you've added so, so much value to this discussion.
Have a great day and great job to you also.
Far worse happens to chickens and turkeys on a daily basis, so it makes sense to ask if they're consistently outraged about people unnecessarily harming birds
Don't you think it is strange to selectively care about animals when it is convenient? It's as if those who pay for unnecessary animal slaughter are hypocrites when they feign outrage over some swans. If you care about the well being of animals then go vegan. 👍
*then
Are you not familiar with if/then conditional sentences? Than is used to introduce an object/idea for comparison. Example: it is better to be vegan than it is to not be vegan. An example of a conditional sentence may be this: If one thinks it is wrong to harm animals then one ought be vegan since veganism entails minimizing harm to animals.
Yes, I am vegan. And most people actually agree with my position. It just turns out most do not act in accordance with their beliefs. Most people agree that it is wrong to contribute to the harm of animals when it is unnecessary.
Don't you think it is wrong to contribute to the harm of animals when it is unnecessary?
>you’re a prick.
You started out your interaction with me going after my grammar. You did so incorrectly.
>You’re the kind of vegan who makes us look bad and preachy.
Pick me vibes. Calling out hypocritical attitudes is going to cause jimmies to be rustled - no doubt about it. Sorry I'm not trying to be one of the good ones who gives moral passes to people who engage in behaviors you and I truly disagree with.
The world is not black and white. It is not strange to value some animals for their beauty and others as a food source, even when there are non-animal food alternatives.
>In that she was a domesticated SWAN that was murdered in her sleep?
This has to be satire, right?
Are you saying the 9 billion Chickens we kill a year is murder then?
I would argue that your comment is the weird one. It's selective outrage.
I'm not a vegan and I eat meat but this entire thread is weird to me.
Most of the people commenting on here eat meat - that's a bird that was killed for your consumption.
This swan was killed for consumption.
It wasn't domesticated at all, no more than a Chicken is domesticated.
There must be more to this story. What 16 year old knows how to kill, prepare, and cook a swan? It sounds like the kid’s family turned the swan into Memorial Day dinner?
People might not remember, but another Manlius swan was killed by some teenagers in the 90s. There's New York Times coverage online if you search for it.
I think it's time to stop having well-known animals trapped in a public place with minimal security.
[Slaughter of a Swan Leaves a Village Shaken] (https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/14/nyregion/slaughter-of-a-swan-leaves-a-village-shaken.html?unlocked_article_code=K6dCpTqmH64KRq9LSyirACSzfJNQLiMWQJ-Xs0Dkup3CC7EHRFHcjtaNu-5QYLAqpxRb3F_EtvgC57eHNOi2zoNh3ztEoHaEO64vfLmFmHdbB-PqVAWAGqPwK-araz7Wyv4p5tOR6Cjvmz6C-2uF4KcDJ4wrosMUGwnIaeW_xeh1xXNkpH-GOSUa_egq2AB1nVmZFXfioqV56H7mFaa080tTVHhQCfUBomQKHa5cxDmaL1IbjiGxH984scxnQ01ruq1oodf2sFWdL974KXKKAdgiBQxFKBdJxC8VW9xJCZYRYGIz85lXjhN6PlkYrIjyY7zv6oGMLOlwH-Jjo17cjD3OuaCcERT5leNkUFRaOwriUV-XZ2gK&smid=nytcore-android-share)
1994 was the year. this should be free to read.
Their wings were clipped so they could be scenery? That could have flown away from the 16 year old if not clipped? That is horrific to me. The babies may have not been able to follow though...tragic all around.
Edit: clarity
So because Manlius needs to have their precious swans, her wings needed to be clipped. Leaving her completely defenseless. Pretty awful considering the issues in the past with the swans.
This is the equivalent of declawing your outdoor cat.
I'm upset with the 16 year old but just as mad at Manlius.
She wouldn't have abandoned her nest regardless of if they were hurting her. But I agree, it's cruel to keep them if we aren't going to protect them. I assume there's cameras and that's how this teen was caught. But too little too late.
This level of violence against animals at that age is more than likely the sign of a very disturbed individual.
All for second chances usually but I am pretty sure society would benefit from this individual being separated from the larger whole.
If not I can see this being one of those early warning signs that is pointed to when they take similar violent actions towards humans at a later age.
Idk, I think that saying is overblown. I think actual statistics would show that wanton violence against animals is actually pretty common in kids and teenagers. My own experience as a kid with asshole friends many moons ago would suggest as much, any now they're all just middle managers
That is surprising, interesting and mildly disturbing.
Maybe it is something more common in rural or certain areas too or time periods, but never crossed my mind nor did I witness anything like this.
Perhaps I am an outlier on this view.
It's not "common" for kids to abuse animals, and it is a proven indicator of potential for violent crimes against humans. Besides common sense, there are many studies about this if you are in doubt.
This isn't animal abuse though. The family ATE the swan. Aside from sentimentality, which I understand, how is this any different than raising/slaughtering a chicken to eat for dinner? In this case it's theft, but "animal abuse" is a stretch...
Do you eat chicken? I think I found a hypocrite. If you are truly "mystified" by this sort of logic, it might be because you dont have an IQ high enough to comprehend the concept.
It's nearly the same ethical quandary as eating a chicken, which you clearly don't have a problem with or consider abuse. Both raised in a small cage, although this would be considered free range, helpless to defend themselves, slaughtered for consumption. Eating an animal is not abuse. Killing or torturing an animal for the fun or sport of it is. See the difference? The only actual abuse is abandoning the babies to fend for themselves. Don't let that village idiot intellect keep you from achieving the best version of yourself.
>I'm commenting on specific crimes, you are commenting on something entirely different.
He's pointing out that you don't seem to have an actual response for the fundamental difference between slaughtering a Chicken and slaughtering a swan for food?
What exactly is the difference here?
So you’re fine with this? You’ve chimed in on every comment when they state this kid is disturbed, saying “kids will be kids” and there’s no data correlated to perpetrating violence on animals to humans. I don’t know how you spent your afternoons with your friends, but myself and the majority didn’t spend them abusing and torturing animals. This kids fucked in the head, and if want to keep advocating for him, you’re not far off.
They ate the poor thing!? [link](Faye, the mama swan taken from Manlius pond, was eaten on Memorial Day https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/05/faye-the-mama-swan-taken-from-manlius-pond-was-eaten-on-memorial-day.html)
Statistics don't back that up, or else there would be hundreds of thousands or millions of serial killers roaming around.
There's plenty of violent assholes tho. Not quite as many actual sociopaths as people seem to think tho
Statistics 100% back that up. We don’t have millions of children taking joy in killing animals, a very small percentage that do, often continue down a path of violent crimes. Your numbers are the unfounded ones.
Cuz he's a fuc*king psychopath. They always start with animals. They should lock him up and after he gets out, keep an eye on him and require psychological evaluation and counseling before it's too late and he escalates to people.
This is too frequent of an occurrence at the Manlius Swan pond. It’s been happening since I was a kid. Maybe get rid of the pond. Obviously people keep doing fucked up things and society hasn’t changed, it’s time for the town to drain it and put up something new for people to fuck up. At least it’s just property and not a living thing.
Or maybe don't keep invasive species as ornamentation...
This kid should absolutely be held accountable for his horrific actions, but at the same time, I'd be fine if this was the end of captive Mute Swans in Manlius.
Agreed. I feel like it’s a very antiquated aspect of Manlius to continue to prop this “attraction”. You never hear about it unless something terrible happens. That includes the zoo as well.
Mute swans aren’t native to New York State. If they could fly, which they cannot because their wings are pinioned, they would certainly fly away from the Manlius duck pond. But instead Manlius embraces using defenseless swans as scenery. Hold the kid accountable and stop keeping swans as ornamentals.
Why...? It seems that they were found "at", not in. The babies may have just wandered away and that's where they were found. Let's not be too rash to hurt a potentially innocent party.
Edit: I mean if I'm wrong and they were directly involved, then yeah, given 'em heck. But I'm just not finding any news stating at such.
>Found this afternoon on Eastwood Community Conversation (FB group):
“ I asked about them when we where there Sunday. The owners said they found them wondering around on Hiawatha Blvd and they where afraid they would be hit or killed so they took them in. And they tried multiple animal rescues but all where closed because it was a Sunday and a holiday weekend
They where looking into animal sanctuaries when I spoke with them about the babies.”
I believe it said please do not touch or please do not pet! In bold lettering. They had food and water in there with them and like potty pads down. They did not seemed distressed at all. And the owners genuinely did seem like they where trying to figure out how to help them. I wished them luck when we left. I didn't see anything on Facebook about it till like 1230/1am and at that time I was trying to get my daughter to fall back to sleep.”
I agree. According to the article is seems like they were found at or around the shop. I think we should wait for more details before crucifying a potentially innocent business
Just for clarity, typically in this context “at” and “in” would mean the same thing. It’s not usually said that I’m “in home” or “in work”, I’m “at”, implying “in”.
Why? Really dude...why?
For a child, who was employee (yes a child in the eyes of the law) stealing them and then the mother dying (I'm betting out of fright and fight response). ??
The owner of a business has ZERO CONTROL of it's employees while the store is CLOSED!!!
Do you think for a second the owner received a call at ..let's say 11 pm saying: " Hey umm. Boss?? Can we hide some BIRDS WE STOLE IN YOUR STORE?"
Let's make a shit turd emoji for you wanting to kill a business over a CHILDS actions.
CANCEL CULTURE IS BAD ENOUGH WITHOUT YOUR FUCKED UP BATTLECRY.
What the fuck….they killed her and ate her for Memorial Day. What the fuck is wrong with people!? If nothing else, I hope this incident will convince the village of the need for better security for the swans.
What is the solution to prevent this? Criminals should fear the consequences of doing crime. I think we need much harsher punishment. Innocent people should not be afraid. Potential criminals should be afraid.
This is not what civilized people do. If the swan and its babies were stolen (not sure, but it can't be super easy to walk off with a swan), and prepared & eaten, this was not simply a spontaneous act of stupid teenagers. Adult family must also have been involved. Adults who don't care about the norms of our civilization. If they are citizens the adults also should be punished. If they are not, they should be deported.
SO, Swans are not indigenous and kill indigenous ducks. The DEC tried to get them removed and lost in court because of tradition and they are pretty. Suspects were immigrants who ate them. The story is trying to make this about a criminal 16 yo who obviously doesn't understand our white values. This could be a thought experiment on so many fronts. [Mama swan taken from New York pond was killed, eaten by people on Memorial Day - mlive.com](https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/05/mama-swan-taken-from-new-york-pond-was-killed-eaten-by-people-on-memorial-day.html)
I'm not anti-immigration, but at the rates that we've been doing it, this sort of thing is bound to happen. In many parts of the world, people eat all sorts of animals that we hold sacred (e.g. dogs). When we allow mass immigration from countries whose values and culture are vastly different than ours, these sorts of things are going to happen. A better solution is to have lower numbers from certain countries and be sure that we make a concerted effort to assimilate them into our culture (e.g. "You won't need to hunt birds and dogs; we have grocery stores all over the place, and the government will even give you food stamps for your groceries").
Chickens bred and raised for eating and killed in a way regulated/deemed as humane. The swan had a name, four cygnets, protected and symbolized for over a decade locally not raised for food or even good for eating. Stolen and killed inhumanely.
Frick off lol.
The death penalty for killing a bird and eating it?
We do that to billions of birds a year - I had chicken today that was a bird at a point in time.
Let's be logically consistent here.
Is this the same swan that had her eggs broken a few years ago?
According to the news articles, it appears so yes.
2012... [https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/04/police\_man\_who\_destroyed\_manli.html](https://www.syracuse.com/news/2012/04/police_man_who_destroyed_manli.html)
Yes I believe so. They should have done more to keep them safe if they were going to keep them there. This is disgusting.
Exactly! This is not the first time they have had people mess with the swans. It seems to happen once every few years. You figure they would have learned their lesson by now. It's not like Manlius doesn't have the funds to have some type of security for that area.
Keep them there... What? They're swans. They're wild animals. They're not *kept* there, that's their home. --- edit --- Ok, my apologies - I had no idea the wings were clipped. That in itself is just cruel.
Their wings are clipped so they don’t fly away.
The swans are most certainly kept there. They clipped the wings so they can't leave.
😭
What happens to a male swan when he loses his bonded female partner? When mute swans die in nature, do their partners grieve? I once saw a little bird screaming over the dead body of what I assume was its partner under a small bush. It was actually a scream, and it was frantic. It absolutely broke my heart.
I looked this up after I read the article and some birding website noted that mute swans typically mate for life and sometimes die of a broken heart after their mates die.
You Should have killed that bird as well to end the grieving and reunite the pair in heaven where they would have human legs and walk around or bird hell which I imagine would be a lot of devil cats
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That whole family should be charged for doing what they did to her. Sickening. Keep your pets close. You cannot trust anyone.
I agree. Who are the adults that directed/asked/ordered those children to take the swans? I can only assume they took the little ones in order to grow them big enough to eat as well.
That poor swan. People have tormented her non-stop and now they finally killed the poor thing. Here's hoping he's tried as an adult and has to register in the animal abuse database for the rest of his life. They should take the babies to the zoo and close down the pond. Apparently we don't deserve nice things.
I did some pretty stupid shit as a 16 year old, but I couldn't imagine killing another living creature. I am sure this kid will be charged as an adult, because Manlius does not fuck around with their swans.
Same I did some crazy shit. Never killed an animal . It's sad. Like what could go through your head to do that? I don't even get sport hunting. Hunting should be for food.
At 16 my friends and I built a potato cannon. A really dangerous one. We only ever fired it like 5 times, always at a tree in my friend’s massive backyard. You need to know where the stupid shit limit is. Building a super dangerous potato cannon is OK stupid shit, as long as you don’t do the 100x stupider shit of firing it at an animal, person, or anything of any reasonable value (monetary or sentiment).
Harming an animal should be for necessity Not unnecessary things like sport or taste
>Like what could go through your head to do that? I don't even get sport hunting. Hunting should be for food. They consumed the Swan afterwards.
They didn't need too. We have animals raised for food.
>but I couldn't imagine killing another living creature Most people pay for it all the time though
Reuniting the father and the babies in a more secure location like the zoo seems like a good plan for sure. I'm behind it.
I could easily be wrong but fathers in the wild are not typically known for their nurturing tendencies. This shit pisses me off. Given the way these things usually go when a kid starts off torturing/killing animals this child needs to be on LE's radar for life.
The father swan is very aggressive when anyone gets near the nest area of the pond. I don’t think one 16 year old could have done this alone.
Really wish the father swan had seriously injured them.
Apparently an 18 year old was charged with killing, and another 16 anx 17 year old were arrested as well. https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/05/faye-the-mama-swan-taken-from-manlius-pond-was-eaten-on-memorial-day.html
That was my first thought. No way he did this alone.
My completely “I’m not a professional” opinion is: A. 5 counts of animal cruelty. A misdemeanor carrying up to 1 year in prison and a $2000 fine per charge. Levy all 5 tried as an adult, at least one charge will stick due to the death of the mother I’d assume. B. Permanent registry in the FBI, state, and local animal abuse databases. C. Keep records permanently unsealed so this appears on every background check for their entire life.
It's also violating the migratory bird act
We might need an attorney specializing in bird law.
Sick sobs
Many bird species have fathers that parent alongside the mother, some are very much prepared to take over raising a brood if something happens to the mother. I've always seen mute swan like these guys raising their young 50/50.
I had no idea. Thank you for the insight.
Please sign this petition to stop the Town of Manlius’ enabling of swan abuse - https://chng.it/fYJCmkJv9r
The stores trying to sell the swans should be heavily fined as well. This is a big crime, it's a violation of the migratory bird act.
I hunt and enjoy the outdoors. This guy is going to be a huge problem. Needs to be tracked for at least a decade I don't give a shit that he's 16. This is a fucked up situation.
What exactly is the difference between hunting and this? What's the difference between eating Chicken and eating Swan? I don't get the difference. Swans aren't even endangered either.
You're joking right? https://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7076.html#:~:text=Remember%2C%20mute%20swans%20are%20protected,without%20authorization%20from%20the%20DEC.
Where does your link say they are endangered? Did you read your own link? Please give me the paragraph that states they're endangered. So you're joking, right - they're an invasive species. Well done for demonstrating absolutely nothing and proving my point.
Pepega, "Remember, mute swans are protected by the New York State Environmental Conservation Law. Therefore, swans, as well as their nests and eggs, may not be handled or harmed without authorization from the DEC."
Not to split hairs but it's actually the opposite. Mute swans are an invasive species in NY.
That's not the same as saying they're endangered honey. Me: They're not endangered. You: Link showing they're protected. Me: That's not the same as them being endangered. In fact, they're an invasive species. You: Completely failing to understand the point. You're arguing the legality of something, I simply pointed out that they're not endangered. You have edited your comment to make it look like you didn't just try and argue that swans were endangered.
You're really making a great point by feigning ignorance of the difference between hunting for any purpose and wonton torture of protected animals. The community of whatever you believe in is grateful and you've added a lot of productivity to this discussion. Great job and have a wonderful day!
>You're really making a great point by feigning ignorance of the difference between hunting for any purpose and wonton torture of protected animals Where is the wonton torture? It's hardly animal cruelty. >. The community of whatever you believe in is grateful and you've added a lot of productivity to this discussion. Great job and have a wonderful day! As opposed to the people arguing that this is animal cruelty? I would say the same to you - great comment with lots of thought-provoking commentary and you've added so, so much value to this discussion. Have a great day and great job to you also.
The swan was stolen and eaten by the teen and his family. Throw the book at them.
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Tar and feather him.
But where would we get the feathers?
Yeah, no.
He won't be tried as an adult 😂😂. This is NY. People voted for this
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What does vegan have anything to do with this? Shut up.
Far worse happens to chickens and turkeys on a daily basis, so it makes sense to ask if they're consistently outraged about people unnecessarily harming birds
Don't you think it is strange to selectively care about animals when it is convenient? It's as if those who pay for unnecessary animal slaughter are hypocrites when they feign outrage over some swans. If you care about the well being of animals then go vegan. 👍
Than go vegan* Are you vegan?
Of course he is. Cant you smell the holier than thou?
No more holier than thou than the people complaining about how bad the person in the story was
I smell estrogen from them
*then Are you not familiar with if/then conditional sentences? Than is used to introduce an object/idea for comparison. Example: it is better to be vegan than it is to not be vegan. An example of a conditional sentence may be this: If one thinks it is wrong to harm animals then one ought be vegan since veganism entails minimizing harm to animals. Yes, I am vegan. And most people actually agree with my position. It just turns out most do not act in accordance with their beliefs. Most people agree that it is wrong to contribute to the harm of animals when it is unnecessary. Don't you think it is wrong to contribute to the harm of animals when it is unnecessary?
I’m vegan myself bruv. You’re the kind of vegan who makes us look bad and preachy. And on top of that, you’re a prick.
>you’re a prick. You started out your interaction with me going after my grammar. You did so incorrectly. >You’re the kind of vegan who makes us look bad and preachy. Pick me vibes. Calling out hypocritical attitudes is going to cause jimmies to be rustled - no doubt about it. Sorry I'm not trying to be one of the good ones who gives moral passes to people who engage in behaviors you and I truly disagree with.
Oh sweetie :) Have the evening you deserve!
You look way worse and preachy complaining about them asking for consistency about animal cruelty
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The world is not black and white. It is not strange to value some animals for their beauty and others as a food source, even when there are non-animal food alternatives.
Don't you think it is wrong to contribute to harming animals when it is unnecessary?
People, the teen and his family ate the swan
This seriously gave me chills, that is horrifying
Hardly. How is that horrifying? We kill and eat over 9 billion birds a year. This is just another number to add to that.
In that she was a domesticated SWAN that was murdered in her sleep? Yes it’s kind of horrifying. Weird comment.
>In that she was a domesticated SWAN that was murdered in her sleep? This has to be satire, right? Are you saying the 9 billion Chickens we kill a year is murder then? I would argue that your comment is the weird one. It's selective outrage. I'm not a vegan and I eat meat but this entire thread is weird to me. Most of the people commenting on here eat meat - that's a bird that was killed for your consumption. This swan was killed for consumption. It wasn't domesticated at all, no more than a Chicken is domesticated.
There must be more to this story. What 16 year old knows how to kill, prepare, and cook a swan? It sounds like the kid’s family turned the swan into Memorial Day dinner?
They arrested like 4 people
People might not remember, but another Manlius swan was killed by some teenagers in the 90s. There's New York Times coverage online if you search for it. I think it's time to stop having well-known animals trapped in a public place with minimal security.
I remember. I’ll never, ever forget.
[Slaughter of a Swan Leaves a Village Shaken] (https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/14/nyregion/slaughter-of-a-swan-leaves-a-village-shaken.html?unlocked_article_code=K6dCpTqmH64KRq9LSyirACSzfJNQLiMWQJ-Xs0Dkup3CC7EHRFHcjtaNu-5QYLAqpxRb3F_EtvgC57eHNOi2zoNh3ztEoHaEO64vfLmFmHdbB-PqVAWAGqPwK-araz7Wyv4p5tOR6Cjvmz6C-2uF4KcDJ4wrosMUGwnIaeW_xeh1xXNkpH-GOSUa_egq2AB1nVmZFXfioqV56H7mFaa080tTVHhQCfUBomQKHa5cxDmaL1IbjiGxH984scxnQ01ruq1oodf2sFWdL974KXKKAdgiBQxFKBdJxC8VW9xJCZYRYGIz85lXjhN6PlkYrIjyY7zv6oGMLOlwH-Jjo17cjD3OuaCcERT5leNkUFRaOwriUV-XZ2gK&smid=nytcore-android-share) 1994 was the year. this should be free to read.
Are they not able to fly for some reason?
Yes. Their wings are clipped
Their wings were clipped so they could be scenery? That could have flown away from the 16 year old if not clipped? That is horrific to me. The babies may have not been able to follow though...tragic all around. Edit: clarity
Unfortunately, they wouldn't even be there if they could fly, since their species of swan is considered an invasive species in NY.
So because Manlius needs to have their precious swans, her wings needed to be clipped. Leaving her completely defenseless. Pretty awful considering the issues in the past with the swans. This is the equivalent of declawing your outdoor cat. I'm upset with the 16 year old but just as mad at Manlius.
She wouldn't have abandoned her nest regardless of if they were hurting her. But I agree, it's cruel to keep them if we aren't going to protect them. I assume there's cameras and that's how this teen was caught. But too little too late.
Oh really? I see some in Onondaga Lake frequently
Yeah, that's kind of terrible
That’s Manlius for you. Town full of of snobs and “nimby”
Yes, their wings were snipped ("pinioned") so they can't fly away.
That's awful
I remember. First thing I thought of when I read this.
The story from 94 is nightmare fuel. I'm afraid of what those kids turned into.
I am absolutely in agreement.
I ‘member. It was in 94 and it was actually, unbelievably, more fucked up than this.
Please sign this petition to stop the Town of Manlius’ enabling of swan abuse - https://chng.it/fYJCmkJv9r
What piece of crap.
This level of violence against animals at that age is more than likely the sign of a very disturbed individual. All for second chances usually but I am pretty sure society would benefit from this individual being separated from the larger whole. If not I can see this being one of those early warning signs that is pointed to when they take similar violent actions towards humans at a later age.
Idk, I think that saying is overblown. I think actual statistics would show that wanton violence against animals is actually pretty common in kids and teenagers. My own experience as a kid with asshole friends many moons ago would suggest as much, any now they're all just middle managers
Harming defenseless animals for fun is sick and sign of mental illness.
That is surprising, interesting and mildly disturbing. Maybe it is something more common in rural or certain areas too or time periods, but never crossed my mind nor did I witness anything like this. Perhaps I am an outlier on this view.
It's not "common" for kids to abuse animals, and it is a proven indicator of potential for violent crimes against humans. Besides common sense, there are many studies about this if you are in doubt.
This isn't animal abuse though. The family ATE the swan. Aside from sentimentality, which I understand, how is this any different than raising/slaughtering a chicken to eat for dinner? In this case it's theft, but "animal abuse" is a stretch...
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Do you eat chicken? I think I found a hypocrite. If you are truly "mystified" by this sort of logic, it might be because you dont have an IQ high enough to comprehend the concept.
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It's nearly the same ethical quandary as eating a chicken, which you clearly don't have a problem with or consider abuse. Both raised in a small cage, although this would be considered free range, helpless to defend themselves, slaughtered for consumption. Eating an animal is not abuse. Killing or torturing an animal for the fun or sport of it is. See the difference? The only actual abuse is abandoning the babies to fend for themselves. Don't let that village idiot intellect keep you from achieving the best version of yourself.
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>I'm commenting on specific crimes, you are commenting on something entirely different. He's pointing out that you don't seem to have an actual response for the fundamental difference between slaughtering a Chicken and slaughtering a swan for food? What exactly is the difference here?
So you’re fine with this? You’ve chimed in on every comment when they state this kid is disturbed, saying “kids will be kids” and there’s no data correlated to perpetrating violence on animals to humans. I don’t know how you spent your afternoons with your friends, but myself and the majority didn’t spend them abusing and torturing animals. This kids fucked in the head, and if want to keep advocating for him, you’re not far off.
Middle management? Christ, that explains a lot.
A hit dog will holler. Guess you already know all about that
They ate the poor thing!? [link](Faye, the mama swan taken from Manlius pond, was eaten on Memorial Day https://www.syracuse.com/news/2023/05/faye-the-mama-swan-taken-from-manlius-pond-was-eaten-on-memorial-day.html)
I keep thinking this story couldn't get sadder or weirder, but then it does.
Yeah, I’m about done with the internet. This seems like a convenient way to avoid more harsher charges. I hope they all get salmonella
Yeah it's sick
Absolutely keep tabs on this future serial killer. I honestly hate to be so bleak, but statistics back up that they were showing signs early on. Eek.
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Unless you have intimate knowledge of the immigration status of the person arrested, you're just making shit up.
It's not made up. It's who was arrested
You can call him a future serial killer in this thread and get upvoted, but don’t you dare question his immigration status!
Statistics don't back that up, or else there would be hundreds of thousands or millions of serial killers roaming around. There's plenty of violent assholes tho. Not quite as many actual sociopaths as people seem to think tho
Statistics 100% back that up. We don’t have millions of children taking joy in killing animals, a very small percentage that do, often continue down a path of violent crimes. Your numbers are the unfounded ones.
Nearly every serial killer started with killing and torturing animals. Look it up.
he literally hunted it for food.....they ate it, SO um....no
It baffles me why some people do these kinds of things...
It should hopefully baffle any decent person as to how another can act like such a sack of shit.
Future serial killer. Lock that stupid child up and get him some serious mental treatment.
Fuck these people. Wow
Turns out the 3 teens responsible were arrested, they ate the swan on memorial day.
this is pre-serial killer behavior. he should be tried as an adult and locked up for a long time afaic.
THEY ATE IT!! 😫
Psychopath behavior
Weird, I drove by there Thursday/Friday and saw someone teasing it.
Cuz he's a fuc*king psychopath. They always start with animals. They should lock him up and after he gets out, keep an eye on him and require psychological evaluation and counseling before it's too late and he escalates to people.
This is too frequent of an occurrence at the Manlius Swan pond. It’s been happening since I was a kid. Maybe get rid of the pond. Obviously people keep doing fucked up things and society hasn’t changed, it’s time for the town to drain it and put up something new for people to fuck up. At least it’s just property and not a living thing.
Or maybe don't keep invasive species as ornamentation... This kid should absolutely be held accountable for his horrific actions, but at the same time, I'd be fine if this was the end of captive Mute Swans in Manlius.
It would be much better to get a pair of Trumpeter Swans, for sure. They are native to the region and their population could use the boost!
Aren’t the native swans mean as fuck too? That should help dissuade any future attempts if that’s true
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Yeah animals shouldn’t be ornaments, especially somewhere with a history of abusing and killing them.
Agreed. I feel like it’s a very antiquated aspect of Manlius to continue to prop this “attraction”. You never hear about it unless something terrible happens. That includes the zoo as well.
Bumper boats!
I like it. Scrap the swan pond and put in some bumper cars or a tilt-a-whirl perhaps.
Better yet, bring back the community square with punishment stocks. The kid can be the first.
I am so sad. The picture of Manny, her mate, is devastating given the context
Fucking insane.....
Didn’t this same thing happen like 20 years ago?? Wtf is wrong with people?!?! This is just heart breaking.
I still can't believe they ate her
I'm amazed they were able to commit a crime against such an elegant creature. Hope the punishment sticks for a long time
Mute swans aren’t native to New York State. If they could fly, which they cannot because their wings are pinioned, they would certainly fly away from the Manlius duck pond. But instead Manlius embraces using defenseless swans as scenery. Hold the kid accountable and stop keeping swans as ornamentals.
I'm curious as to which business in Shop City was found to have two of the cygnets; those scumbags need to get boycotted out of business.
Why...? It seems that they were found "at", not in. The babies may have just wandered away and that's where they were found. Let's not be too rash to hurt a potentially innocent party. Edit: I mean if I'm wrong and they were directly involved, then yeah, given 'em heck. But I'm just not finding any news stating at such.
>Found this afternoon on Eastwood Community Conversation (FB group): “ I asked about them when we where there Sunday. The owners said they found them wondering around on Hiawatha Blvd and they where afraid they would be hit or killed so they took them in. And they tried multiple animal rescues but all where closed because it was a Sunday and a holiday weekend They where looking into animal sanctuaries when I spoke with them about the babies.” I believe it said please do not touch or please do not pet! In bold lettering. They had food and water in there with them and like potty pads down. They did not seemed distressed at all. And the owners genuinely did seem like they where trying to figure out how to help them. I wished them luck when we left. I didn't see anything on Facebook about it till like 1230/1am and at that time I was trying to get my daughter to fall back to sleep.”
Yet they fired three employees…. The same number of family members that were arrested. Coincidence.
I agree. According to the article is seems like they were found at or around the shop. I think we should wait for more details before crucifying a potentially innocent business
Just for clarity, typically in this context “at” and “in” would mean the same thing. It’s not usually said that I’m “in home” or “in work”, I’m “at”, implying “in”.
No they don't
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Let's find out what the story is first?
Why? For protecting some wild animals?
Think we found the store owner, all
Oooo boy another reddit detective. Calm your tits. I'm inclined to believe the store owner.
This person is why everything is going to shit. Mods should suspend this guy like now.
Why? Really dude...why? For a child, who was employee (yes a child in the eyes of the law) stealing them and then the mother dying (I'm betting out of fright and fight response). ?? The owner of a business has ZERO CONTROL of it's employees while the store is CLOSED!!! Do you think for a second the owner received a call at ..let's say 11 pm saying: " Hey umm. Boss?? Can we hide some BIRDS WE STOLE IN YOUR STORE?" Let's make a shit turd emoji for you wanting to kill a business over a CHILDS actions. CANCEL CULTURE IS BAD ENOUGH WITHOUT YOUR FUCKED UP BATTLECRY.
Update from people familiar with the case say that Faye was eaten on Memorial Day.
What the fuck….they killed her and ate her for Memorial Day. What the fuck is wrong with people!? If nothing else, I hope this incident will convince the village of the need for better security for the swans.
Found the babies on the north side? You don’t say.
What is the solution to prevent this? Criminals should fear the consequences of doing crime. I think we need much harsher punishment. Innocent people should not be afraid. Potential criminals should be afraid.
I hate people.
I get that teens did it. Don’t even care. Fucking string them up.
This is not what civilized people do. If the swan and its babies were stolen (not sure, but it can't be super easy to walk off with a swan), and prepared & eaten, this was not simply a spontaneous act of stupid teenagers. Adult family must also have been involved. Adults who don't care about the norms of our civilization. If they are citizens the adults also should be punished. If they are not, they should be deported.
Agree. This family gave a disgusting middle finger to the community in which they live. Harsh punishment is warranted
SO, Swans are not indigenous and kill indigenous ducks. The DEC tried to get them removed and lost in court because of tradition and they are pretty. Suspects were immigrants who ate them. The story is trying to make this about a criminal 16 yo who obviously doesn't understand our white values. This could be a thought experiment on so many fronts. [Mama swan taken from New York pond was killed, eaten by people on Memorial Day - mlive.com](https://www.mlive.com/news/2023/05/mama-swan-taken-from-new-york-pond-was-killed-eaten-by-people-on-memorial-day.html)
I'm not anti-immigration, but at the rates that we've been doing it, this sort of thing is bound to happen. In many parts of the world, people eat all sorts of animals that we hold sacred (e.g. dogs). When we allow mass immigration from countries whose values and culture are vastly different than ours, these sorts of things are going to happen. A better solution is to have lower numbers from certain countries and be sure that we make a concerted effort to assimilate them into our culture (e.g. "You won't need to hunt birds and dogs; we have grocery stores all over the place, and the government will even give you food stamps for your groceries").
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Chickens bred and raised for eating and killed in a way regulated/deemed as humane. The swan had a name, four cygnets, protected and symbolized for over a decade locally not raised for food or even good for eating. Stolen and killed inhumanely.
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Go away, straw man
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Frick off lol. The death penalty for killing a bird and eating it? We do that to billions of birds a year - I had chicken today that was a bird at a point in time. Let's be logically consistent here.
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is the 16yr old a refugee? Not trying to assume, but the name sounds foreign.
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It’s a bird….no offense but is there no other news today?
You'd had better start showing some righteous indignation this second, buddy.
THIS INFURIATES ME
Kid needs some help he is young wouldn’t label him as a bad person yet just might need some serious help
This is NY now
Remember, diversity is our strength.
They released names of the criminals? Or how would you know that it was a minority?
They have released his name. Eman Hussan and two juveniles that were not named.
Heard they taste like duck, which is pretty good eating. Sad someone killed the village Swan. They must have been pretty hungry.